Victorian Era Baby Farming Was A Breeding Ground For Monsters | Heinous History

[@blumeshullman8002]

"assaulted or seduced" that is of course absolutely true, naturally some of these pregancies were the result of consensual sex, but one disturbing and confusing thing about that, is that back in the victorian period, the word "seduced" was sometimes to be understood as "raped", but not always, and you were supposed to know the difference between "seduce" and "seduce", which makes the literature all the more difficult to understand for us today.

[@catholicfaithofmine2664]

Both my Great Grandparents grew up in part of the Victorian Era. They were born in the latter 1800s. My Great Grandfather came from a single parent home. As was the case with his mother many landlords took advantage of women who rented from them. They were mainly threatened with eviction if they didn't cooperate. In Charles Dickens novels the children begging on the streets of Londen were often rich landlords children whom they neglected to care for because of this law. So women had no advantage in a situation where the laws allowed men to take advantage of women produce children and walk way. In my Great Grandfathers case I traced back his father. He came from a prominent family with money. My Great grandfather was apprenticed at 14 as was generally the case with many poor children as a brick layer. A brick layer in Victorian Era landed you as a third class citizen. How unfair for him considering who fathered him. Instead of enjoying a better life like he deserved he had a difficult one and had to work hard labor at 14. Fortunately he came to the USA as King Edward was taking the throne and started his own business. When the Great Depression started he bought a house in the 1930s and survived. His house is still in our family today.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@SL-es5kb Except the blame would be laid squarely at the woman's feet.

[@matildagreene1744]

Obviously, some literature is full of lies. With it being a male controlled world since the beginning of time, with fetishes, rape, all sorts of male 'sports' that is STILL swept under the rug by most women. WOMEN need to open their eyes. Men who do horrific things to women/children have families, wives, girlfriends...Are they blind to it all ?

[@riaagarwal6840]

​@@catholicfaithofmine2664 I would question the whole class divide. Why do some have money and some not. Does not matter who you are born to.

[@julianolan2860]

My reading throughout my long life made me aware that sometime in the 20th century, "Seduction" got a shiny makeover as a positive and consensual exchange between "equals" . We then used the term "Grooming" for the non consensual abuse. Old School, "seduction" is predatory non-consensual

[@abbyjohnson1702]

What exactly did the authorities imagine would happen to these babies after essentially criminalizing pregnancy of unwed mothers? What was the point of passing legislation protecting the lives of the infants whose mothers were left with no other options? No legal recourse, no protections... nothing. Amelia Dyer was a monster, but we would be remiss in overlooking the circumstances that allowed her to flourish.

[@mrjones2721]

Clearly women would stop being raped by their employers. /s

[@cold1895]

It's the Victorian Era what do you expect, probably one of the cruelest times in human history.

[@ditzyhere3138]

Protecting 'gentlemen' of the time, most likely from all their extra marital relationships, was probably all that mattered to those lawmakers. The way people were educated about reproduction during this time, ie not at all because *GASP* , I imagine many of those women didn't even know what they were doing when they were assaulted by their employers. Yet it was entirely their fault. Horrendous.

[@Animezingly]

Thank you. I was trying to find a way to say my thoughts without sounding like I was giving that monster a pass. Like literally the women getting their lives ruined, victimized, over and over and over again. Like I’m not really super shocked that terrible horrible things came from the constant @buse.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

Well stated

[@farinshore8900]

Funny how those judging the mother as immoral felt good about themselves abandoning helpless children to an abominable fate. To my mind, it is the law makers who are immoral !

[@nylasharper1788]

Still the same today IMO

[@mrjones2721]

The irony is that when people opened foundling homes, they were accused of encouraging immorality. Attempts to improve orphans’ education so they could get good jobs when they left the orphanage were met with opposition because the children of immoral and improvident parents shouldn’t be raised better than the children of the working poor. (But also make sure they don’t become burdens on society plz kthx.) Just like today, they penalized children to force parents to magically not be poor or unmarried.

[@alchemicmercury]

Ya, it's like our country hates children [us]

[@mirzamay]

Righto... when this story started the first thing I thought was my gawd, I forgot I'm not in the most corrupt and disgusting part of history. Personally I think it is the purityranical era that is responsible for this and untold amounts of sins and crimes. Because people can't just be people, it's not I'm ok, your ok, it's I'm ok sorta but you were born a sinner let's blast everybody's minds with existential abuse and terror for a few centuries and see what happens. 🤷‍♀️ Well. Serial killers and government supported torture is what happens. Yum.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

Yep. And honestly, this is exactly the kind of people who are obsessed with procreation, who want to ban abortion and proclaim just how concerned they are for the poor innocent children. People who want to control others' sexuality are NOT well, and are capable of atrocities we can't even imagine. Never trust someone who proclaims their interest in other people's "sexual immorality".

[@airshow406]

Victorian Era: passes shitty laws making it impossible to care for children. "The infant mortality rate was very high at this time." GEE I WONDER WHY

[@Li_Tobler]

That's so heartbreaking... All those babies deserved a chance. Now I can't help but wonder who they'd become, we can only imagine...

[@christinarichie6171]

1832 isn't Victorian... Everyone thinks the whole 19th century was the Victorian era. It was not..

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

Also disease took many a young kid as well, and given how horrid sanitation was for the poor.

[@loanicastillo3327]

The reason was actually irresponsable man and women procreating when they should not.

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

@@loanicastillo3327 Rape as absolutely NOTHING to do with being a responsible human.

[@rochellepaputsis7245]

I became pregnant at the age of 15. I kept it a secret for fear of being forced to put her up for adoption. It was tabu to be unmarried and underage and pregnant back then. I am now 64 and my daughter is the greatest gift ever given me. She is truly a blessing

[@dinarusso3320]

You're lucky, at this young age, you must've had some family support.

[@Teresia12]

God bless you honey. Many girls I went to school with had abortions out of fear. You were very brave. I am 66. I know how society was then. May God continue to bless you and your daughter. 🙏❤️✌️

[@johnene]

I had a baby at 15 as well. No family support or welfare. Had another baby at 16. Married their dad when I was 19. Still going strong & enjoying our grandbaby.

[@Daisythepage]

I’m from Maine and my Nana (grandmother) had her first kid at 15, she’s in her early-mid 50s now I think? My Papa had apparently told her that he was infertile. Now she’s glad she had kids young because she got Uterine cancer and had to have a vasectomy in her 30s (she had three kids my mom’s the youngest witch she had at 17) (she has had and beat cancer over four times, she hasn’t had cancer for a decade now so I think she’s gonna be ok!)

[@Daisythepage]

Both my grandparents went through early metapause so I’m gonna have to sell some of my eggs fast after I turn 18

[@hurricanefrid]

My great-grandmother Annie was actually nearly sent away to an angel maker right after her birth, because she was so small compared to her twin sister that the doctor didn't think she would survive. He even recommended her parents to not even look at her, because it would only make it harder for them to send her away. Luckily, when grandma Annie was lying in the box she had been placed in in the hospital corridor a young nurse found her, picked her up and brought her to her parents. It feels so to strange to think that had it not been for that nurse, my whole family wouldn't exist.

[@lilyruff1411]

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[@Val-ul9gn]

❤wow😢. Blessings

[@RM-fs8ub]

Yikes... The small ones can be the most feisty ones.

[@sparklykitten0]

I always found it a bit laughable the stigma...as if women just got magically pregnant by themselves. The men just got away with it. Disgusting times 😢😢

[@dinarusso3320]

In the name of good old Christianity, and the Bible

[@terrimurphy8298]

The Scarlet Letter.

[@minoritymind]

Yeah, cause we have sooooo much "evidence."

[@lemsip207]

It's funny how if a woman was pregnant by her husband, it was seen as husband's baby as if she was merely the incubator for her husband's clone But pregnant out of wedlock it was seen as her baby like it was a clone of hers.

[@minoritymind]

@@lemsip207 it's almost always seen by society as the mother's baby regardless of marriage, which is why in spite of the evidence that single fathers raise better children, the overwhelming majority of women are awarded custody.

[@lubumbashi6666]

Have you heard of the case of the Tuam babies? Up and down Ireland in the twentieth century, unmarried mothers were put into "laundries" or "mother and baby homes" run by nuns. Local historian Catherine Corless knew about the babies in the local home and wanted to put a memorial up so she put a freedom of information request. She found death certificates for 793 babies over 50 years but no burial records. Pulling at this thread she uncovered a horror that Ireland had never seen before.

[@helgardhossain9038]

Yes, the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church ... I learnt at school - in relationship to the Pharaohs of Egypt - that callings oneself "Holy", "Heavenly" or "Saintly" amends the atrocities ... One doesn't need to look as far as Egypt to see atrocities. They happen right at our threshold - because we let them happen and don't speak up against our perpetrators ... !

[@veronica_._._._]

@@helgardhossain9038 Jihadi

[@RM-fs8ub]

What happened? Ireland was my first country to visit outside of Africa. I remember being told then that there was a high suicide rate second to Japan then. What was the underlying cause? The past history?

[@ghost-user559]

@@RM-fs8ub The British enslaved and decimated them. Study Cromwell

[@jackhalloween7373]

In 1954 I was sold out of that orphanage to an American couple. Although dad was an alkie & mom was a pill head My life turned out pretty good after I sobered up in '82. Back in '54 there was no pill or abortion. The nuns made a sweet penny selling the kids. The sold kids like myself were called "Sons of Satan" & "The Banished Babies." I never knew of baby farming or professional infanticide till this video.

[@OutOfTheAether]

I can’t even imagine being one of the mothers tricked into giving this demon their baby so they could have a better life, only to find out later that they were starved to death, drugged, and strangled… then discarded like trash in the river. This is heart wrenching.

[@thefockn3831]

In America today there are laws on the books that allow women to drop their kids off at fire station doors and ring the doorbell walk away and the mother will never be sought after to ask him any questions about what condition the child was in her why they left it at the fire station door this was done because in the 1980s women were flushing them down toilets and killing them at such race that the court system just couldn't stomach all the cases so they had to do something to get women to stop trading their kids off to these terrible fuckingities so I'm not surprised and the law didn't do this and I got to say men were just asshamed and the consequences were just as severe there's a lawyer this is where men killed the woman carry the pregnancy to term and and they got caught doing it and went and hung on the gallows how in the hell are men going to the ever do kill the women if they could just walk away from the pregnancy so easily It's crap what she's describing the laws did not create the situation these situation has always existed

[@loanicastillo3327]

Then keep your Child. Social services are similar. Do your homework do not expect someone else to take care for your sins.

[@MercurialMoon]

imagine the child's father leaving, getting shunned by society, finally seeing a ray of hope that your child might survive only to find out that they've been killed... those poor women

[@MercurialMoon]

@@loanicastillo3327 What sins? Those were kind, strong women who wanted their children to have better lives even when they themselves were struggling and getting shunned by society.

[@thefockn3831]

@@MercurialMoon having sex before you're married is a sin!

[@lisamr40]

I am now 53 yrs old. at the age of 19, I got pregnant out of wedlock. My parents were thinking of putting me in a place where I could live and have the baby put up for adoption. I, of course, said absolutely not. My point is the stigma is still around. Not as bad but it still is and it's so sad. This story broke my heart. Thanks for bringing up these horrific cases.

[@intoodeepstl314]

Where is your baby?

[@lisamr40]

@@intoodeepstl314 I kept her. She was killed by a drunk driver in 2007 at the age of 17.

[@intoodeepstl314]

@@lisamr40 I’m sorry to hear that. Peace and love forever

[@lisamr40]

@@intoodeepstl314 Thank you!

[@merineyit]

​@@lisamr40 😢😢😢♥️

[@risingrat5491]

Just another example of how bad laws open up doors for monsters

[@dawnsites4232]

Most laws are not made for our benefit. Patriot Act kicked off laws to take away our freedom.

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

And another example of men putting sexist laws into place that not only ruin women's lives, but leads to countless deaths. Kind of like what they just did with Roe.

[@NatalyG73]

This was intentional. So that the men in power don’t ever have to take responsibility or social repercussions for exploiting women and keeping them small.

[@pysq8]

Monsters often find employment as lawmakers (or their influencers) 😢

[@Christina-sf4py]

pysq8, I guess that makes sense as monsters like power

[@reneehouser2925]

Of course men made a law that men aren't responsible for their children, and then act morally wounded by the criminal acts of Amelia 😏 so many complicit wretches involved in this atrocity 😖

[@Alice-si8uz]

Both the law change and the actions of Amelia can be wrong at the same time...

[@emilyorchard3918]

@@Alice-si8uzI think that what they’re saying 😅

[@aishalea7508]

cant believe they made a LAW that made men not responsible yet completely ruin the life of the woman... sheesh..

[@jupitersnoot4915]

It was a different time. Thankfully now, England has changed a lot. Now it's pretty much impossible for a man to walk away.

[@risingrat5491]

Humanity is young and stupid.. give us time:)

[@careforashow]

Would there have been a need for baby farms if that law wasn’t passed? Essentially, these men not having to pay- gave them no consequence and sent these babies to their murderers. 😢

[@LohengrinX14]

eh i'm appalled but not too surprised

[@IAmBuddythedecibwave]

I get it. I do....as someone who grew up in a fundamentalist home though, I need to emphasize that this sexist and bigoted thinking is alive and well even now. I'm in my late thirties. The more things change, the more they stay the same...

[@maryblock636]

I'm 62. When I was 17, I was forced to go to an 'unwed mothers home' and surrender my baby for adoption. I was told by my parents, "Don't come home with a baby." I was told by the staff in the home that I was unfit to be a mother, only due to my single status. This was in 1978. These things are still happening today by adoption agencies and maternity homes.

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

It's awful you had to go through that. This is why women are stronger than men. We've had to face more adversity, tougher situations, and harsher judgement our entire lives, even by our parents.

[@debbieomi]

My aunt had a very similar story. She was 16 when she became pregnant in 1960. My grandparents took her to a Salvation Army home for unwed mothers, where she gave birth to her son on June 26, 1961. She named him Christopher and said he had a shock of curly orange hair (just like his bio father). My aunt made one final plea to her father to allow her to bring him home. His response was to tell her she was welcome to come home, alone. If she wanted to raise her child, she was on her own. The father's family had washed their hands of the whole affair, so there wasn't going to be any help there. The baby was adopted by a Grand Rapids, Michigan family, but no other details were ever revealed. I have a sister who has done a lot of family research, and I've toyed with the idea of joining her to search for our cousin, but we haven't jumped off the cliff yet.

[@maryblock636]

@@debbieomi I have been a "search Angel" for many years. If you would like some guidance or help with your search, please let me know.

[@debbieomi]

@Mary Block That's so good of you, Mary! I'm writing your name and this video info in my phone notes. My sister will be visiting in June, so we'll discuss this in depth. A lot to consider, most of all, Christopher. Thank you so much for your work and your offer.

[@leahflower9924]

I read a whole book about that called the girls who went away

[@SciFiFemale]

I got pregnant out of wedlock, age 25, I'm now 49. I knew the father would run, it was a summer fling, and I had been told by a doctor that my womb was tilted and it would be next to impossible to get pregnant. I was lucky my mother supported me, but my stepfather didn't. At a BBQ, he would not even look at me, or talk to me. I had left home at 16 to get away from him. My mother moved in with me on the new years day after my daughter's birth. Stepfather was nuts! I did lose a lot of my friends too. I do wonder, if my mother had not supported me, if I would have gone though with it. I love my daughter so much though, and I'm very glad to have her in my life.

[@crisfield4364]

I'm glad you had your mom.

[@user-ru1ki]

God bless your mother !

[@underated17]

You lost friends for having a child? How does that make sense? Did your friends not have children of their own? I don't get it how is that mature or how does that make sense?

[@alikawhite6903]

That was so awesome of your mother to support you that way! Every single child on earth is created by a holy God who loves us immensely! Every one of Gods children is equal in status in Gods eyes, bless them all!

[@alikawhite6903]

I’m my youth, the parents of young girls did not want their daughters associating w/ pregnant girls because it was a bad example to us; in my day anyhow it was like that, I’m 65 now & when I was 14 a friend of mine got pregnant by her boyfriend, I’m pretty sure my mother objected to our friendship

[@emrw888]

It's sad that society at this time only seemed to care for these poor babies after they were murdered. The same society that cast them away in the first place, creating a breading ground for these baby farms.

[@loanicastillo3327]

Yeah... But we have people still fucking UP to this day and leaving their children to the system. I think we are the real evil not the goverment.

[@Dontneedahandle0]

Yeah, it’s still that way. Do you have any idea, how many people have been turned into the authorities, for abusive treatment of their children and are told, there isn’t anything we can do? Then the kids die? Or get seriously hurt? It’s ridiculous how much that happens.

[@marahaquala1686]

They only care after they are murdered 💔

[@vegetableautopsy3551]

Well yeah, humans only understand regret not gratitude.

[@RogueX777]

@@marahaquala1686they don’t care, they show fake remorse. They know exactly what they’re doing 💔

[@lesliegrace5986]

All this bc the norm was to shame women. If men at that time or ever actually supported their own women and children, this situation could have never formed.

[@kafkollectif525]

Same as now. Women cannot get pregnant without a man having a very active role, and yet the responsibility and blame is almost always out on the woman 😒

[@DS.proudkiwi]

​@@kafkollectif525no it isn't not these days

[@Ilivedbih]

​@@DS.proudkiwi Depends on the country and people around you.

[@commanderozbrek6011]

Something that I don't think has been touched on and some will find hard to believe, is the level of ignorance and naivete among young women and girls in Victorian times. My Grandmother knew absolutely nothing about sex or how babies came about when she got married. My Grandad had to explain it all to her on their wedding night. This sorry state of affairs will have led to a great many unexpected pregnancies.

[@oooo000oooo]

I'm millennial and my parents are super religious and never told me about sex. I thought kissing made babies until I was 14. I was told otherwise by an "edgy" female friend of mine lol. I'm not even from a poor or uneducated family and now that I'm older I just think it's so bizarre that my parents are so weird about sex education.

[@DarkFire1536]

Lack of sex education and the church's condemnation of birth control methods, lead to so many of these issues.

[@Nyuffykah]

@@oooo000oooo How did you slip away from Biology class? Which country did you grow up in? I am a Millanial and pretty sure we learnt about it around 3rd grade. I am from Hungary.

[@oooo000oooo]

@@Nyuffykah i can see your point but it's a bit awkward to admit that I believe all my teachers were too awkward to get to the point. I think they just assumed our parents would tell us the uncomfortable parts. Mine didn't. I hope the teachers can be more bold for the sake of other young people. I'm from a very modern USA town and your point made me feel embarrassed actually but now that I'm older I think the puritan culture in too ingrained in our culture. We should be more comfortable talking about this for the sake of the young people. It's dangerous. I can say I'm lucky too have friends who were more knowledgeable than me and willing to educate me lol... But it should have been at least the school.

[@agme8045]

@@oooo000oooothat’s crazy! Not the part about your parents, but the fact that you didn’t learn anything about sex in school! Personally, for a couple of years when I was a kid, I thought that oral sex was when two people had a spicy conversation lol I had heard about oral sex a couple times because of classmates who would joke about it, and somehow I came to the conclusion that having oral sex literally involved chatting/talking, I was a bit younger than you though

[@michaeldamato9466]

You forgot the part where families were so disgusted with their daughters, that they'd put them in homes, where they usually stayed for life, this practice went on into the 70's

[@poulkasstill9380]

1870's or 1970's...??

[@michaeldamato9466]

@@poulkasstill9380 1970.

[@MsGbergh]

@@poulkasstill9380 I've heard of it happening as late as the 1970s. The girls were deemed to be 'mentally feeble' and sent to psychiatric hospitals.

[@carolynelliott1439]

In Ireland the last of these homes closed in the 1990s 😢

[@michaeldamato9466]

@@carolynelliott1439 Yes you're right my mistake, Magdalene laundry homes.

[@nielubieinceli]

Ok, so: father has no responsibility, Rapes are victims' blame Having children out of wedlock is forbidden. And abortions are also illegal. Can someone help me to understand? Society don't give a s*it of these children but abortion is illegal?

[@evelynharber6077]

Thankfully in this enlightened age all that you have said is no longer relevant. Today woman and men, females and males have the means and ability to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Although oral contraceptives can be prohibitive for young girls there are always available condoms which will prevent the pregnancy if the couple so choose. Unfortunately many times I do truly believe that either or both the girl/female and boy/male wish to create a baby for whatever reason and are not aware of the emotional and financial burden the child may become to them until too late. Children are a blessing that should not be gone into half-heartedly or without forethought.

[@Nameless-ny8nk]

That's still the mentality most people around the world have, they claim that abortion is wrong because they care about life but at the same time claim those children are not their responsibility once born, but their parents, wich makes less sense knowing a lot children end up suffering a longer more paiful death from abuse and neglect, not MOST of them, but I think one unwanted pregnancy resulting in the child being abused and killed is already too many.

[@Ilivedbih]

​​@@Nameless-ny8nk It's bc of religious reasons. It's wrong in their religion. My country is conservative but very atheist and abortion isn't even seen as problematic 🤷🏾‍♀️. Never met a man or a woman against it lol. It's not even up for an argument here.

[@centryboy]

Wow that just sounds like today world!

[@TY-Tianyou]

Murder is worse. Don't tie legalization of murder with gender inequality.

[@dkalisd]

Evelina was such a brave woman! We can never truly understand or feel how much pressure she faced. Basically bound to ruin her whole life but she insisted on telling the truth.

[@ramongraf1714]

Yeah, so brave to give her child away to monsters to continue her promiscuous city life.

[@MagentaDinosaurs]

I know its not realistic to expect it, but I do hope she was somehow able to live a good life after.

[@princezzpuffypants6287]

She should have been hailed as a hero...

[@DS.proudkiwi]

Nothing brave about giving up a burden

[@algellish340]

@@DS.proudkiwi it was brave to testify against amelia, which likely ruined her life.

[@emmelinesprig489]

The lawmakers who created this situation through their policies are the real monsters.

[@loanicastillo3327]

As much as the children's parents.

[@stephanie06-9]

Bad as it was, it was still an improvement over earlier in the 19th century, when poor, hungry, orphaned children were hanged for petit theft. I don’t mean that the baby farms were an improvement, but society’s attitude towards children in dire circumstances.

[@OpinionatedChicken59]

While researching some of my ancestors in the late 1800s I learned there was a woman (not related to me but married a distant uncle) who would take in babies from unmarried women and then claim them as dependents to get benefits from the government. She had over 13 babies die in her care, she would simply neglect them and leave them to starve to death! She even had many of her natural children die mysteriously as children and the few who survived she trained to do the same thing as her. Her name was Sarah Jane Musgrave, honestly I feel like there should be a documentary about her she's buried in an unmarked grave near here like an evil witch.

[@freeloading_toad]

Holy shit that’s wild. How did you find all that out?

[@OpinionatedChicken59]

@@freeloading_toad A DNA match contacted me and was trying to find information about her birth father, I could tell by our shared DNA matches we were related somehow through two ancestors of mine who immigrated to Australia from Northern Wales in the mid 1800s. We never found out exactly who her father was but we did find out that her direct ancestor was one of the brothers of my 2nd great grandfather, in fact three sisters from the same family married three of my ancestors brothers, the mother of these three sisters was Sarah Musgrave the woman I mentioned they were really awful people there's news articles about them on ancestry. Sarah Musgrave was absolutely a baby serial killer.

[@Coincidence_Theorist]

#cabbagePatchkids. #cabbagepatchbabies

[@PrincessAfrica3]

Wowww 😢😢😢 just evil….

[@OpinionatedChicken59]

@@PrincessAfrica3 Yeah for real, also there seems to be a history of inbreeding among her descendants I keep getting DNA matched to them and they all seem interconnected in multiple ways, I just had a new match appear a few days ago who is SUPER inbred, his parents are half brother and sister, they had the same father who went by different surnames in each marriage, and the mother of his father was the aunt of his mother so even more inbred! I can't even make sense of how inbred that is!

[@tamarabrown5700]

This is so sad, women and throughout history has had to endure so much. Raped, forced to keep the baby and kicked out onto the street to fend for herself knowing that she will never be able to get a job or husband. So cruel

[@commanderozbrek6011]

I have this theory that in their next lives, women come back as men, and men are reborn as women. But on the subject of the girls being kicked out because they were pregnant: there is the grave of a servant girl outside a church wall. She is outside the 'holy ground' because she committed suicide by hanging herself when the family she worked for turned her out for being pregnant. I wish I could remember where it is. The thing is, every year on the anniversary of her death, a little bunch of flowers appears on the grave.

[@anitamaune8450]

Sommer, thank you for this story it is horrific but we here in Ireland only know similar stories to this and sadly not in Victoorian times either, a hard but good one to cover, if you were interested, would be the Magdalene mother and baby homes here in Ireland, and how badly the mother's were treated, both physically and sexually by memebers of the clergy here and the babies that were sold, or mysterious passed away and were buried in mass graves...and the crazy thing is the last of these home didn't close till the 90s...and I mean the 1990s...so while these are harrowing stories its wonderful that you cover them and give a voice to the voiceless 🖤💚

[@madeleineclark283]

I am realizing more and more the older I get that there is not as big of a difference morally or politically as you would hope or think from 1890 to 1990. It's only 100 years, which is one human lifetime. The same evil that was alive in 1890 could easily be alive in 1990 and was. We are not so removed from the past as we think. Whatever evils afflicted us in 1923 most likely still do to some extent. I was born in 1997, and it makes me upset that the decade of my birth is what marks the closing of baby farms. Its terrifying

[@anitamaune8450]

@@madeleineclark283 i know what happened here in Ireland was truely horrfic and the survivors of these mother and baby homes are still trying to deal with the treatment they were subjected to today, its heartbreaking, I know this went on in other countries but Ireland was such a staunch Catholic country the church ruled all back in the day and much to the detriment of so many young girls and innocent babies , but like you said no matter what era it is we deal with, "the politics" and its the politics of money and greed that rules the world 💔💚🖤

[@lindasimons691]

Definitely.

[@jackhalloween7373]

I came to America in "54 having been sold our of the orphanage in Tuam where 794 kid's corpses were found in the sewers. I've had a good life in the U.S. Thank God I was one of the few so blessed to end up in a decent U.S. home. We sold kids, by the nuns, were called: "Sons of Satan" or "the Banished Babies".

[@anitamaune8450]

@@jackhalloween7373 Thankfully you did end up in a good home, you were one if the lucky ones that got out of that hell that was the baby home in Tuam, it stills breaks my heart, and the hearts of alot of people in Ireland....it always gets me as my mother was a young unmarried mother in '77 and could have easily ended up there only her grandparents were fantastic and supported her , which was huge back then...and look at the names " banished babies" .." sons of Satan".... always the innocent being blamed...when the reality of a lot of these mothers were they were abused by family/ friends/ employers/ clergy, but they were shunned and made to feel dirty and ashamed...hope you are well and happy 😊

[@GenXfrom75]

Wow! Men were walking away from illegitimate children.... 😮... Jk... They often still do that. But at least women have some legal recourse. I had my first at 17. My son's father didn't walk away- he died. But being a single teen mom in 1992 was tough. I cannot imagine back then. This is sad AF 💔

[@Billpro25]

Here in greece, illegitimate children were also treated s***** by greater society for the longest time. I was talking with my mother about this during visit, and she said that they were considered 'Children of a Lesser God'. I honestly had no what that even meant, till she later explained that it was how they 'politely' called children born with disabilities (mental & physical)... And taking into consideration how much more religious folk were during the time she was a teen... Yeah.

[@zacharyriley4561]

Had a uncle whose mom vanished on him and left him with his mentally challenged dad. Also had a friend whose dad legit had him just to have someone to beat up when he was angry.

[@GenXfrom75]

@@zacharyriley4561 awful 💔

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

Women discard children too, but there’s no doubt they’re actual mothers. Back then there was no way to be certain of paternity, which provided an additional incentive for men to walk away. Women still attempt to deceive men into accepting offspring that are not their own, despite simple means to prove otherwise. Descending from that high horse is probably wise.

[@Billpro25]

@@anhedonianepiphany5588 What of those men that DID know that a child of their wive's was not born of their seed yet chose to raise it as their own anyway?

[@heavensprayer9103]

So sad how children have been treated over the centuries. My heart breaks for all the women that were abandoned by their lovers when they became pregnant.

[@celiadennis217]

Sad that still happens

[@ItIsTheLordWhoKeepsme]

And it'll always happen

[@vhoughton3153]

Thank you so much for covering this topic that not many know about. People often think of dystopian futures like with A Handmaids Tale without realizing humanity has already lived through horrific realities. When those in power write laws that perpetuate violence to those who are in most need we end up with societies like these. We must always demand that our government works FOR US and must HELP US because we pay them too.

[@icedirt9658]

The author of a handmaiden’s tale is adamant that every single horrible thing that happens in that book has at one point happened and been documented in history.

[@janesmith9024]

Yes, Victorian London had child brothels (and my the way here in the UK is not nor was it the worst place on earth - it is just we have done a lot to stop these things and we publicise them, compared with some countries abroad)

[@jewells67]

There is a whole category of greeting cards and stationary stemming from the Victorian era depicting young children “growing” in gardens. It was originally thought that this was due to the story parents often told children about “coming from from the cabbage patch”. The practice of baby farming is truly where all of this came from. The truth of things often lies in plain sight and yet we fail to notice it. Sadly, practices like these described in this video are still happening today, only with an even more heinous outcome. Children are farmed out to predators who use them up and then dispose of them. It is happening all over the world and in many countries, the highest officials in government are part of the perpetuating chain allowing it to continue.

[@rld1278]

The earliest silent movies depicted a couple coming to look at babies "growing" in a cabbage patches also...good ol Hollywood "programming" right from the beginning.

[@MsGbergh]

A famous story is, 'We found you under a gooseberry bush.' 'Gooseberry bush', was one of the slang terms for 'pubic hair.' Or babies might be found in the 'Cuckoo's nest.'

[@michelles1250]

So the cabbage patch kids brand of dolls some years ago...

[@eunicestone6532]

I got pregnant at age 16. My parents forced me to marry him and it was a horrible mistake. He and I had 2 daughters. Once I got away from him and divorced him my mother apologized for making me marry him. I married a second time and had 2 more children. We stayed married for 30 years. We divorced because he was cheating. He is now married to the woman he cheated with. He's not happy(good) I'm divorced, live alone, do as I please. I'm lonely but all in all pretty happy.

[@daniellejames8028]

Let's focus on the pretty happy part. The lonely part is such a struggle for me right now. Glad you made it through all that. I'm happy for everything you have now

[@julieyoung-garayt9384]

I can relate.

[@daryapeppo2359]

👍

[@loanicastillo3327]

I never got how people in the States loved each other so much to fuck UP... But would run always when talked about getting married.

[@nielubieinceli]

​@@loanicastillo3327 Becouse good lover doesn't mean good partner?

[@dazem8]

It's a wonder why Amelia kept all of that incriminating evidence. Perhaps she enjoyed collecting the letters almost as if she was proud of what she was getting away with.

[@elenalizabeth]

Many serial killers enjoy collecting trophies 🤔

[@TheNotverysocial]

@@elenalizabeth Maybe she wanted to get hanged, and found it just as fascinating as the executioner, but she never thought she would in fact be on the receiving end. And with her always being on the move, the migrant lifestyle does not permit one to totally avoid leaving some evidence of your presence. When you must move to the next place in such a hurry and not look back, you are bound to leave loose ends, affects behind.

[@julieyoung-garayt9384]

Serial killers keep trophies

[@Yekats]

Similar instances happened in Ireland, roughly after the 1800s. Homes for pregnant women and women with children out of wedlock lived there, years later the bodies of these women and their babies were found. These homes were very common and were disguised for many years and protected by religious parishes. They were known as the Magdalene laundries (as the women would work while they were there). These atrocities came out years later, and we have done so much to make amends to the women who suffered and lost their lives because they had nowhere else to turn 😔

[@helgardhossain9038]

Unfortunately I heard that this happened in Australia, as well ... Yes, the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church slew mankind wherever she stepped ... first Europe, then America, Africa ... 🌍

[@jackhalloween7373]

I was Sold out of the orphanage in Tuam, Galway in '54. The nuns called us: "Sons of Satan" , or "The Banished Boys." Much better fate for me than this lot. I was "adopted" into Texas & mom always complained: "you boys were so expensive." I had a good upper middle class American life I thank God for. There were 794 corpses in the sewers of my orphanage.

[@loanicastillo3327]

I would guess prostitution must have been rampant in there. Just like youngsters are motivated by porn videos today. Otherwise everyone knows sex produces babies. Why would you force a pregnancy? What is fun about that?

[@ItIsTheLordWhoKeepsme]

​@@jackhalloween7373I never thought this could happen in real life to real people.

[@christinanielsen1917]

Make amends to the women? Most are dead!

[@meghanhoulihan4512]

I’m so interested in history then I hear stories like this and my jaw is to the floor. But the saddest part is that crimes like this ARE STILL OCCURRING 100 years later smh

[@splenderella9]

It's even worse in Muslim countries now!

[@CyclingM1867]

The grandmother of one of my friends in England was the youngest of eleven children, and she was one of only three to survive to adulthood. My friend's grandmother is no longer alive, but back in my twenties - in the 1990s - I remember her telling us the tale of her oldest sister, who she'd never met. That poor little baby had been left in the care of a baby farmer in Victorian England, and my friend's grandmother told us how heartbroken her parents were when they found out that they would never see their baby girl again. Their story was similar to that of the wealthy man and the governess he had wanted to marry, in that their families wouldn't let them marry until later on. When they finally able to marry, the baby girl they'd had before they married had been given up to be cared for by one of the women who ended up killing babies instead of actually caring for them in a baby farm. It wasn't the woman who was featured in this video, but, still. It was a horrific crime that should never have happened. Such people who did this - and are still doing it to some degree or other - are absolute horrible.

[@TheJoyNinjaNZ]

Just thought you and your viewers may be interested that we had a baby farmer here in New Zealand - Minnie Dean, she is the only women to have ever been hung and she was convicted of infanticide. She went to pick up babies from their mothers on the train and hid them in her hat box - such was the stigma around unwed mothers.

[@Alice-si8uz]

Jeepers that's horrible, im also in NZ...

[@Mari-lv1rd]

I am a lady who always wanted children but it just didnt happen, I never felt I was financially able to support a child . I have to say this video was educational and devastating. Thank you for shedding light on this topic.

[@bringmeliara1286]

some men think that women have full control over their bodies and can just decide if they get pregnant or not, the same way they think we can hold in our periods.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Easy to not get pregnant Don’t lie down with him #rocketscienceexplained

[@toothtown1914]

@@YeshuaKingMessiahs easy for men to not get women pregnant. Don’t lie down with her.

[@elenalizabeth]

@@YeshuaKingMessiah did you miss the part where these women were often forced into intimacy by their landlords, or forced by their bosses, or forced by work patrons, etc. Or did you just choose to ignore that part? Also even if a woman was married, her husband could force himself on her and it was not considered a crime because he was her husband and that was deemed “his right”.

[@Amgirl03]

​​​​​​​​​​@@YeshuaKingMessiah is not your king....sounds like pharisees are instead.... because Yahushua didn't stone the woman, John 8.( The man was nowhere to be found)...but the pharisees wanted to.... He basically told them they were self righteous for even trying... And no one could condemn her because they were all hypocrites....if he was truly your king...you would be casting out demons and starting with yourself first.....and he told her the same thing he would tell you....go and sin no more... Love Yahuah with all your heart, mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself... And step in the water to heal yourself and go to the well where you will thirst no more and walk in Torah as Yahushua is the Torah....

[@mountainmama8932]

​@@Amgirl03 That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

[@Wolfiechrm]

This reminds me of the fates of many of the "fallen woman" in the 19th century and the foundling hospital where woman would take their babies to be looked after some were able to get their children back others couldn't I think. It's been several years since I went to the Foundling Museum in London.

[@saffloweroyl3663]

They didn't "fall", they were pushed.

[@Wolfiechrm]

@@saffloweroyl3663 It's a term that was used for women who had lost their reputation from having sexual relationships outside of marriage. There was an exhibition done by the Foundling Museum in London about it.

[@dennismitchell5414]

There was a case similar to this that occurred in ( I think ) Canada where a couple were running an adoption agency / medical facility for unwed mothers . It was referred to as the Butter Box Babies case . Love your channel Summer , keep up the great work and stay safe . Much ❤ from Baltimore Maryland

[@skylynnrenegade9728]

Yes its nova scotia, canada

[@hollymcdowell2865]

That was exactly what I thought

[@pirbird14]

There was a book about it, and a made for tv movie - both called butter box babies.

[@jewells67]

Watch Anne with an E (the Anne of Green Gables series).

[@katieelizabeth834]

I remember that case too x

[@hellohellokitty]

leaving babies to the elements doesn't necessarily mean that the women hated or didn't care for their children, many probably thought it kinder to leave them to die. it's a horrible piece of history

[@evil1by1]

Most of the time its not a matter of kindness but cold necessity. Babies dont have the good graces to not be born or die during birth just because there's no food or shelter. They come regardless and they come relentlessly. Most of human history has been varying degrees of starvation, exposure and epidemics. If I'm in a rough patch today, I can get tanf, wic, section 8, hell people are willing to adopt at all which is a new concept for people. Adoption didn't used to be a "thing" really. Back then what do you do if you have misfortune to give birth after your husband dies with no home, no food, no income and 4 other children to feed? Can't work and breastfeed, can't afford cows milk, even if you could which of your other kids are you looking in they eye to tell them they can't eat today so the baby can? No easier and probably better that it not survive. You can a.ways have more later in better times. Abandonment is a cruel fact of nature on this planet. Every animal does it, even bees will throw the larvae out if they need to to ensure the rest survive

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

@@evil1by1 nursing moms brought the baby with them or worked at home Laundress Seamstress Baker Everyone knew the baby had to eat

[@elenalizabeth]

Also many women believed in superstitions like “fairies taking the healthy babies and leaving ill changelings in their place” so that they wouldn’t feel guilty

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

Well obviously it's not because they hated their babies. They were forced into a terrible situation with no viable options

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

@@YeshuaKingMessiah So you didn't watch the video at all then

[@JohnSmithIlIlIlIl]

As someone who wants to adopt a kid, this is heartbreaking.

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

Should be heartbreaking regardless

[@dinarusso3320]

There are a lot of babies out there who need love and a healthy home! Adoption is a wonderful opportunity.

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

@@dinarusso3320 Most children who need adopting aren't babies. Babies tend to be adopted first, leaving kids and teens to bounce from foster home to foster home until eventually they age out of the system.

[@mmmaxwell5374]

@@PraiseTheFSMonsterThose teens and older kids aren’t necessarily free to adopt as their birth parents still have legal rights that the local government hasn’t severed.

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

@@mmmaxwell5374 The same can be said about babies. I'm talking about the kids and teens who _are_ up for adoption. Duh.

[@esomethingoranother3718]

It blows my mind how little people know about this topic. I just found out about it probably about 5 years ago but was still surprised I hadn't heard about it sooner. It's definitely one of those things that was just swept under the rug.

[@intersectionalworldpeace7486]

English industrialization was probably the second most horrific period in all of human history. Only the Nazi-terror was worse.

[@juliz2500]

​@@intersectionalworldpeace7486 don't forget slavery and colonialism

[@kellharris2491]

This will start happening again now that Roe vs wade has gone down. In this year alone I have heard of a few stories of babies getting abandoned and dying. The stigma and fear is overwhelming for some young girls in difficult homes.

[@lauren9004]

I remember watching BBC's Fingersmith (it's a movie set in the Victorian era) and the protagonist's biological mother effectively had the same job (a baby farmer). At some point, the protagonist threatens to kill one of the babies (it's a long story) and I remember the baby-farming bio-mother saying something to the effect of "Go on, don't worry, no one will miss her" - "her" is referring to the baby. When watching this video, I immediately thought of this scene. It was so difficult being a child during the Victorian era.

[@yeeter2669]

Ah this hurts to hear. I gave birth two months ago, and though my living situation now and while I was pregnant isn't the best. I am so happy I have my sweet baby boy. Horrible what happened to those sweet sweet little creatures, who only wanted love :(

[@splenderella9]

Good luck and blessings to you and your child!👍💖

[@aiver.a]

Congratulations on your baby boy, may God bless you and your baby 💚

[@bgqueens6635]

This has to be the saddest story I’ve ever heard. Not only because of the monster who would do this, but also because of the cold, callous attitudes against children and unwed mothers. Tragic in every way.

[@savannah5333]

I imagine shaming a women solely because of the mother being pregnant, while the baby is also half of the man who had no repercussions. Doesn’t really help that woman to connect with that child.

[@jeremiahgabriel5709]

I want to commend you on how excellent a job this was. It was a difficult topic but the way you cover it isn't the oversensationalized way most serial killer documentaries seem to be. Where they use the words "horrible" and "awful" evey third word, without actually giving context of what happened. They tell people how to feel vs giving them information and letting the audience decide how to feel. Your style is much better; good preface for it being difficult content, and then you give detailed information, and then a summary. As someone interested in victorian history, serial killers, true crime, etc, you need to know how rare your chosen style is. I wish more folks explained like you.

[@mrjones2721]

Excellent video! A few notes: 10 pounds was a huge sum of money, a quarter of a year’s salary for an average man of the time. For a woman, especially one who was probably paid partly in room and board, it was even more. Giving a baby to a workhouse was a virtual death sentence. Mortality rates of 80% to 100% were not unknown. Orphanages probably had better mortality rates, but the number of spaces was limited and getting your child in required a shaming interview during which you were grilled about your morals and required to prove you needed the help. While extreme shaming of unwed mothers (or women who had sexual outside wedlock, period) was the norm, there were areas where the working class took a more pragmatic approach. Children were economically valuable, and proof that a woman could bear healthy children was a mark in her favor. It was better to wait until marriage to have children, or at least to make sure the wedding came before the birth, but if that didn’t happen… shrug. Victorian moralists pulled their hair out over these areas. Ironically but predictably, ostracism of unwed mothers forced many women into sex work. It’s hard to know how many, because “I was seduced by my employer and thrown out” was an acceptable cover story for sex workers as well as a reality, but sex work was one of the few options left for “disgraced” women. (Another option was to move far away and invent a dead husband, but that assumed that you were willing to completely uproot yourself, you had the skills to support yourself and your child in a job that didn’t require references, and you were willing to live a lie. It happened more often than you might think, but it wasn’t a first, second, or third choice for most women.)

[@adrianaosirish6065]

Gosh ,so sad what happened to these poor kids ,the unwanted and the mothers . Well done Sommer on this and bringing these stories to light .

[@soilofk]

This is a perfect story to share with those people who say: "the good old times!" these are the "good old times" especially for women and children. The hypocrisy of a Christian - patriarchal society is disgusting!

[@Sonicsis]

Its always important to learn about the history of child abuse. It's insane the rights to the child is a recent concept, like 2002 recent.

[@craftyhobbit7623]

There is still a lot of evil things that go on today - during Covid, our local authority put a baby back with his junkie parents who murdered him just over a month later, after they subjected him to horrendous abuse. It makes me wonder what else is happening to local children that the authority allow to happen just because they think that parents' rights are more important than the welfare of the child. If they failed one child, they will have failed others. There are a lot of young people addicted to drugs and unemployed and it sickens me that it is most likely the result of abuse they received as children while all the adults pretend it's not happening, or are indifferent to it.

[@antor2471]

What piece of legislation are you talking about?

[@NinnersNanners]

Durham Downs (known as The Downs here in Bristol) doesn’t have moors because it’s just a flat green area, but from Eastville Park to The Downs is around an hours walk- that child would of been so exhausted 😢

[@kristiriley]

It is so unbelievably sad & disturbing how women are blamed as if they got pregnant all by themselves. It seems as though shit hasn't changed a bit since the 1800's. This guy my husband knows, a real POS might I add, had the audacity to say to his gf at the time, when she announced her pregnancy to him. "Is your ass to lazy to take a freaking pill?" He was referring to her birth control pills. I said to my husband, "Please tell me she of course said immediately right back to him, is your ass to lazy to wear a freaking condom?" I couldn't believe my ears. This narcissistic ass. Who does he think he is? He ended up having 4 kids with 3 different women in the last 3 years. So, as you can see, the lazy, no condom wearing narcissist, has been a busy busy boy! Lol! I feel so bad for those kids though, tbh!

[@janaskibo871]

Thank you Sommer. 😢😢 History should not be forgotten. It's hard to hear how badly women were treated.

[@MercurialMoon]

The baby farmers were unforgivable but society back then was also responsible for causing the right environment and conditions for the industry to develop in the first place

[@MizMorgue1]

What's most heartbreaking to me, is that SO many women believed they deserved their fate, because the church deemed physical relations and out of wedlock children as "sinful", therfore it was accepted as "god's" judgment. What's worse, is that in 2024, we STILL have ignorant ppl spewing this nonsense! Great channel. Thank you for sharing your hard work.✌️

[@theoriginalbluey]

In northern England my grandfather's mother gave birth to him as a single mum. By then the father was nowhere to be seen. She soon dated and married another man, with whom she had more children. My grandfather always knew the situation, and that his brothers were half-brothers. It was 1927 when he was born and I just feel that his mother was a very strong woman. Things were so very different back then.

[@jefferykaighin7039]

Being adopted myself, i was captivated by your footwork and attention to detai in making this video. First I want you to know that I had no clue all this had taken place in England. This craziness is what's been behind the laws in America and how hard and expensive it is to adopt in America. Yes sweetheart it was hard to listen to your story but it's history and if history isn't recognized, then it's bound to repeat itself. I pray for these babies that were never given a chance at life...Rest in our Lord's Hands, Baby Angels...🙏

[@GaisSacredCreations]

Starts at 3:41

[@Ann.AndAngela3998]

Daaang that's a killer long intro.. if I didn't see this time stamp , I was about to swipe to a different video. She talked so long , I forgot why and what I clicked on .... ..... .... .... ... ....

[@Alison-ku5ko]

Im shocked people are shocked men passing laws to protect men and avoiding creating social nets for children in poverty is still a thing around us….

[@Alison-ku5ko]

Particularly in America. We thankfully do offer assistance to mothers, but we are pathetic in many areas like free birth control and low cost sterilization etc

[@latinaalma1947]

My dearest friend was a baby put up for adoption but she was kept up with by her maternal grandmother. This grandmother was able to reunite my friend with her mother when the mother was dying. My friend is emotionally scarred from her early life. She is the dearest kindest person I have ever known. She comes to the country abroad where I live yearly to nurture babies in need of nursing care...she is a nurse by profession giving her vacation time and pyainv her own expenses here to do this work...a more giving woman I have never known.

[@mirzamay]

I cannot fathom looking in the face of a beautiful innocent child and hurting them in any way on purpose, and especially not snuffing out their life. How could you? I ask but I don't really want to understand this horrid sickness.

[@ConnieBoo20]

(Not so fun) fun fact: my 3rd Great grandad Ardeshir kapadia was Amelia dyers barrister aka lawyer. Wasn't fun finding that out in the family tree!

[@mammawlee]

😮

[@aesinam]

He was only doing his job. Unfortunately, or fortunately (maybe), everyone is entitled to a lawyer

[@chaliceflame1314]

How awful that parental responsibility was forced onto mothers alone. I wonder if any of the fathers felt guilty over this?. Especially when their irresponsible behavior indirectly killed their children.

[@evil1by1]

I doubt they cared. Your talking about an age when people had litters of children and routinely lost double digit percentages of them....even if they were wanted. I doubt very much they thought all too hard about an infant dying that they didn't want and probably thought it was for the best anyway. What sort of life would it have anyway? An unmarriagable poor mother and no father or being openly a bastard? No, they had essentially no future worth mourning over. We still see this attitude when women with unwanted pregnancies miscarry or have a stillborn. Or when severely disabled fetuses die before, during or shortly after birth. Its probably for the best, or have you never heard such a sentiment

[@LiSkyFox]

They needed a law To make them care I doubt they have a shit The dads who did literally wouldn’t of had sex with a women and straight up leave. Men aren’t dumb

[@mammawlee]

Good question.

[@mammawlee]

​@@evil1by1It is true that the poor in Victorian had terrible lives.

[@TheNotverysocial]

@@evil1by1 You will call it cold, but it is just the same practical. There is such a thing as empathy fatigue, which few people ever speak of or dare speak of. The human mind is incapable of being in any state of perpetual bliss nor misery, and becomes dead to everything with the passage of time, especially when it becomes common, frequent, repeat, or even constant exposure. .

[@owannafrancisca8103]

Ironic that she killed the babies by strangulation and that her punishment was hanging.

[@jocelienjimenez9821]

That's Karma 👍✌

[@Nyctophora]

The treatment of unmarried mothers was very much as you said and appalling. In addition to this, poor married couples might also use the 'services' of a baby farm because they just could not afford to bring up another baby. It is all so tragic. The stigma of a mother with no husband persisted a long time - in the late 1980s my divorced mother was refused a rental house because "we don't want that sort of woman".

[@oldeuropemyhome76]

Even today it is still harder to find a flat for an unmarried/divorced mother.

[@jessynation8293]

Edna Gladney changed a lot of these problems with illegitimate laws in Texas , I was placed for adoption at the Edna Gladney home in Fort Worth Texas and when I was 16 I placed my son for adoption at the Gladney home it was such a wonderful place and a true blessing.

[@SpiritualBabydoll]

Honestly, history is horrific and scarier than real life and it really shows me the same pipeline happening today with foster parents in adoption homes that hasn’t changed much. There’s still brutal people getting away with brutal things. It makes me so sad and could you imagine the choice those mothers had to make And sadly it look like the one taking the child’s life right away was the more humane one instead of sending a baby to a baby farmer this is horrific as a mother in 2023. I am so thankful that societal norms have shifted a little bit not all the way we still have a stigma of some sort for a single mom, but it’s not like this. I’m so happy with shifted but I’m so sick to my stomach right now. I just I need therapy after this.

[@taragibbons6616]

These poor women :( I am so grateful we have made so many improvements to help horrific things from happening from mothers and their babies.

[@AnneAndersonFoxiepaws]

Imagine how you would feel packing up your babies belongings in order to hand her over permanently to someone you could only hope and pray was good. It would have killed me.

[@lynnc8188]

Great surprise ❤ love your channel and I am so glad you are growing so quickly!! Also I just found out yesterday that I am going to finally be a grandma and they won’t let me tell anyone we know but had to share ❤👶🏻🍼🥰

[@sommersanchez]

Omg that’s amazing!!! Congratulations! 🎉

[@donnacreamer4123]

Congratulations❣️❣️❣️ Being a grandparent is one of life’s sweetest gifts. 🥰

[@blazinvenus3914]

Congrats on that you will love it!😊

[@angelapyle7301]

❤❤❤Congratulations,🎉🎉❤❤❤❤

[@missdanae1992]

Congratulations 😊

[@fayb8588]

Wow this is insane - what an age the Victorian Era was. Feels extra weird because i went to university in Reading - I lived in a street right next to that cemetary, walked along the Thames in that area almost daily where the bodies were being found - even been to some of those small towns and places she lived WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT! Those poor women and helpless children!

[@victoriavilagines5596]

I found your channel yesterday and have binged so many of your videos already! Being a true crime fan I listen ALOT of different videos/podcasts and yours has by been an instant favourite. You don’t make dramatic side content and report cases in detail (some of which were new to me, which doesn’t happen often) but with compassion as well. You’re awesome, I can’t wait until you get more followers 🎉

[@Koontah]

Very sobering, but not shocking. The value of one life always depends on social perspectives. I can't imagine Granny's life; working under horrible conditions, in a place where no one cares about you. Even nowdays, I see a LOT of seniors come out of retirement to work hard jobs to make ends meet. No matter how old or young you are, life is hard and sometimes cruel. Thank you for the history lesson. I think everyone should learn history.

[@lolgriffin3243]

Wow. That's absolutely horrific. Humans are awful.

[@Crowronii]

The most horrible thing is that she may not have been the worst and maybe they was someone who never got caught and died rich

[@christinanielsen1917]

A female judge in the south in the 1930s would go after young women after giving birth and used her position as a judge to declare the young mothers as unfit to care for her baby. She had them sign a form ( most illiterate) "allowing":the judge to take the babies. She then would sell them to "better"(wealthier)childless parents. The judge never faced any consequences because no crime was committed. She was doing the child a favor by putting them in a " better" home.

[@Ceci21711]

Sad that really horrendous psychopath murderers were rampant without diagnosis in Victorian (and earlier) eras (even the hangman obsessed as a boy with hanging.) Could you imagine what kind of psychos[& their crimes] from earlier eras got away with which no one has ever found out about?

[@TheNotverysocial]

I would not speak badly about one who is on the side of the law, especially when he guarantees such criminals never repeat their violent offenses again. If Dyer was hanged the first time she was busted for these offenses, the later ones would not have happened.

[@Alice-si8uz]

@@TheNotverysocial Yeah something can be a messed up thing but be done for the greater good. I don't agree with the death penalty but think it at least she only be an option for the worst crimes where the guilt of the perpetrator is certain.

[@susanh3342]

I had both of my boys at 18 and 19, and even now, I don't like to tell people how old I was when I had them. I am not embarrassed about my children they are well educated. I am also, sometimes people just don't understand. (I am still married to their father)We just celebrated our 47th anniversary 😊

[@CSRaeburn]

I'm currently writing a book and... I think this video just resolved a plot issue I've been struggling with for the last year. It's disgusting and monstrous, but that's what I'm going for. This was a heinous watch, but thank you all the same! Also, please tell Shadow and Marlin that I love them

[@RizztrainingOrder]

Although not always objective, it doesn't change the fact that Your dedication to educating your viewers with such Infinitely interesting content is much appreciated. Thank you, and keep up the great work! I pray that this message finds you well!

[@cocobako2582]

What do you mean by not always objective? (just wondering)

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

@@cocobako2582 it means they disagree, probably in a reactionary way, but what to pretend like they are objectively correct about w.e it is.

[@RizztrainingOrder]

@@cocobako2582 no worries, not entirely sure of the context of my comment but likely meaning the delivery of the case is interjected with personal anecdotes/opinions/beliefs, which isn’t bad or take away the validity of her takes at all. Her work is absolutely brilliant and I thoroughly enjoy her ability to relay the material info in such a pleasantly digestible and personable way.

[@RizztrainingOrder]

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 irony aside, your take certainly is one way to look at it, but that’s no reason to act like you are objectively correct in glibly projecting negativity into something that possesses none.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

@@RizztrainingOrder when did I imply any such thing? I certainly didn't say anything of the sort. I'm just tired of this wierd misuse of and wierd fetishization of being "objective" -almost entirely by the "facts don't care about your feelings" type crowds.

[@cherylcarlson3315]

Lisa and Mary are brave testimony to recent past but present overturning of Roe, no consequences to male, lack of prenatal care or insurance to pay for deliveries, high cost of daycare mean all this is still continuing but in US corrupt southern states get federal funds for this abuse. I went to a foster care training where one woman said the state gave her a 3 yo child who has been on antipsychotic drugs since toddler, we were told foster kids don't need presents and if they get too attached they will just be moved sooner, some wanted to adopt their foster children having had them for years but the day after that was expressed, kid was abruptly moved. As teens in tx they are put in group homes or camps, if they survive (about 8 a yr don't) don't suddenly go into sex trade or run away when they are 18 , that day they are homeless. This is happening every single day in the US,

[@trishg5820]

The movies portray Victoria England as dark days & I guess they were.

[@tanahaines1043]

Sweet babies. This is so sad. My heart broke for the mothers and their precious little babies.

[@darksoldiersbowl]

Once again very informative. As a Brit I should know more, but there were elements here I was not aware of. This was grim, but perfectly put together. Looking forward to the next one.

[@soundtravels4348]

New Zealand doesn't have a lot of murders but one of our most infamous killers was a baby farmer located in Invercargill in the 1800's. Invercargill is in the southern part of the South Island of New Zealand, and a lot of people from the UK settled there. Minnie Dean was born in Renfrewshire, Scotland, and was the only woman ever to be executed in New Zealand after she was found guilty of murder. It's suspected that she may have had up to 7 victims. It's a super interesting case if anyone wants to learn more about it. There's some great articles and podcasts.

[@Cjsoc]

The beginning sounds exactly like the modern day foster care system.

[@naymeequillo]

"Babyfarming" is such a terrifying word..

[@monotropa_uniflora]

That pretty much sounds like the beginning of Cosette's story in 'Les Misérables'.

[@acoldhand]

Can we please not blame the women who killed their babies or gave them away. They clearly had no other options. If I had to choose between watching a baby suffer and starve and killing them quickly, I would pick the latter. Must have been incredibly traumatising.

[@ReneeJoan]

This is the driving plot of Toni Morrison’s novel, “Beloved.”

[@petra6902]

Well, I do judge a little for the killing part, i mean.. yes women had it realy rough back them, but it is still pretty horrible thing to do. I think relocating and making up a new life and Identity wasnt as hard , just by this Amelia monster you can see how easy it acctually was. But obvs if you cannot do that, you can only hope someone would treat your kid nicely. I cannot imagine killing a baby. Anything but that.

[@grayowl167]

@Petra "rough" is putting it lightly. Few women were lucky enough to catch a break. Moving and paying for transportation requires money. How far would they have to travel to find a job away from the stigmas? Good luck not getting raped along the way too? All the same, murder is too permanent. I can't imagine being forced to choose between starving to death from a lack of an income (and watching the baby starve) and self-preservation.

[@heartforchrist7004]

Killing them quickly. Killing anyone is still murder no matter the situation.

[@The_Bean]

​@@heartforchrist7004Rape is still rape. Death is still death. Better for the death to be quick than slow.

[@jenniferstewart9012]

His interest in hanging is no different then ours with true crime He channeled his interest into a job instead of running around hanging people

[@yamataichul]

Is concerning but at least he found his calling and in a legal and proper way at the time. I found it ironic in a way, Amelia was addicted to something so despicable and seemingly this man would be no different for us today

[@elenalizabeth]

Yeah at least he wasn’t offing innocent people and only criminals. I guess he was kinda like the Dexter of his time. He followed his (admittedly weird) passion and got paid for it 🤷‍♀️

[@Phoenix-mh5eo]

Absolute monster. I will never understand people who abuse or neglect children, but especially infants. You have to have 0 humanity.

[@lynnlmr2032]

That law was put into place mainly to protect wealthy men, from unwanted children and first born inheritances, where no son was born. Its truly disgusting how women were treated. The people who passed this disgusting law should of been held responsible. These poor women and babies.

[@erika.s]

Make a law that puts women in a bad situation> women makes desperate solution> label women as monsters who doesn't take responsibility of "their" action Those people: I sTanD fOr gEnEraTioNal lIfe Saddest thing is this mothers cared for their child. Even if their choices were unpleasant to hear...

[@pdxdude6428]

OMG I couldn't imagine the pain of having to hand over my child to someone.

[@pdxdude6428]

Wow, it takes 2 to tango, but the man doesn't have to pay anything and can just move on with their lives, so messed up, I'm so glad things have changed.

[@kafkaseyebrows]

not really. my ex husband forced 50/50 custody yet he doesn't actually care for our kids. he ignores, abuses, and neglects them and allows his parents to do the same. that's not progress.

[@evil1by1]

No its not changed at all. Plenty of men run around siring children they dont support

[@sabrinaunmasked4639]

Idk i just started sobbing by the end of it. Those poor innocent children. They could've been people of today...and they were murdered for money. How can a person be so evil? :( I can't imagine how mothers like Evelina felt.

[@AnnaMaria-zm8cv]

It still happens these days, there are still babyfarms where women give birth to earn money. And its not just in Asia where rich western people can buy a baby on demand and those women live in sometimes decent circumstances.... Its also organ harvesting business in Asia and South America. Traders 'buy' children from orphanages to harvest organs or even 'breed' those children themselves with slave women and their own seed. Its horrible. Just dont think this is from the past. It sadly isnt.

[@DL-gb8jc]

Wow.. I know how they feel. I had 5 children. One by rape, others by just being used. I couldn't get child support in Minnesota for 3 of them. I lived a hard life but I love all my kids and so does God and Jesus.

[@AliceArnaud-zs8sq]

Bless you

[@roakldp]

Hoo boy, that was bleak. Great video, but yikes :(

[@triumphantpeanut5726]

Question: so the baby the police used as a set up was also murked the same day and they didn’t tell the mother who they used in the set up that her baby was no longer on the physical realm and they just led her into the morgue, like “oh hey thanks for helping us crack the case. Oh by the way your kid is on a slab. Good evening madam. Cheerio.” I had to pause the video a few times and just wanted to make sure I understood that part.

[@octoscorpion2506]

No, those were two different instances. The woman who had to identify her deceased baby and the woman who was used as the set up were two different people. The woman that the policed used as bait went to talk to the "baby farmer" without having a baby with her, then for the second meeting where she was supposed to hand over a baby and money the police showed up instead and arrested the "baby farmer". The woman who had to identify her deceased baby was the one who was a governess for a wealthy family and had wanted to marry the father of her child but the wealthy family wouldn't let them marry. But yeah, it was pretty shitty that the police didn't tell her that her child was dead and just sprung that on her.

[@triumphantpeanut5726]

@@octoscorpion2506 oh!!!! Ok thank you so much!!! 😊 🙏 I h8 stories like these! They’re interesting but sooooooo heartbreaking but essential to remind us that there wasn’t any period of time that in humanity’s existence where we weren’t terrible to each other.

[@intersectionalworldpeace7486]

​@@triumphantpeanut5726 The islamic Golden Age and Ancient America and Africa and Asia were better. Only the Europe amd Europeans were somehow evil throughout history

[@hillaryclark1898]

No, it was Doris…

[@susiefairfield7218]

Feminism is a tremendously underestimated force, viewed in the present context primarily as a woman's concern. The understanding has not yet percolated throughout society that the advancement of women is a program vitally connected to the survival of human beings as a species. The reason for this is simply that institutions take on the character of the atoms which compose them, and what we are most menaced by in the twentieth century are dehumanized institutions. If women played a major role in policy formation and execution on the part of these institutions, I think they would have a far more benign and ecologically sensitive kind of character. So I see feminism not as a kind of war between the sexes or any of these stereotypic images, but as actually a kind of effort to shift the ratios of our emphasis that is expressed through our institutions. ~Terence McKenna

[@sutty85]

Sure but modern feminism is toxic