Victorian Homes and New Friendships | Holmes on Homes 305

Two couples, Stacy & Peter and Donna & Bill each own one half of a 100 year old Victorian home. These two semis share the same leaking porch. The shared front porch is rotting and falling apart for the second time in five years, even though the porch had been entirely rebuilt and the eaves trough had been replaced three times. The issue with the two families has always been that the water comes from one house, and ruins the other. Solving the issue means sharing in the costs, something the homeowners with the least of the rot issues have been reluctant to agree to. Mike steps in and mediates the issue, pointing out the benefits of having this done right to both families. After getting the green light from both parties, he attacked the problem at the source, the roof. New wood sheeting was installed with proper run-off angles, then new shingles, eves troughs and downspouts completed the picture. The brickwork was restored to both sides of the home to its former rot free glory. Both sides of the semi delight in the final product and a new understanding between them is formed. A toast to no more water damage and new friendships completed the job.
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[@SamMcWhannel]

These older episodes did such a nice job of showing the amazing skill and knowledge of good trades people.

[@dldove22]

What a disappointment that the porches weren't replaced. I know why but it's very sad to see them gone.

[@Timothy-NH]

The 2 ladies were just so reasonable, so happy to work together and make sure they'd end up with something they'd both be happy with and enjoy.

[@Cheepchipsable]

On camera at least.

[@JNygaard]

I like that Mike went with one color for the building. It makes me think more "grand estate" occupied by two families rather than just a "duplex".

[@wolverine89893]

The Cedar deck is making all the neighborhood want to replace there porch with a deck that will out last the house 😂 But on a serious note it looks and I am sure smells amazing.

[@Cheepchipsable]

...until everyone has cedar and then it's boring. I think the lesson here is think outside the box when renovating and rather than copy, form your own ideas.

[@abigailhumes4608]

Another good one! Great solutions for a double dilemma! Beautiful finish, good tutorials on building details, and I enjoyed it much. If I ever need such building repairs, I will know what to insist on.

[@karrenwebb3341]

Beautiful job! I live in a 107 year old home. Always want to keep with the Era of the home. That's why I purchased it. She is Beautiful and has her quirks 😂

[@gmiller1524]

Horse feathers to the new friendship theme lol, these two families have a chill between them

[@jaedaeast768]

Awesome. They change is fantastic. Love it

[@BergeVR]

Wow, Mike redoes sloppy work by contractors. It is so beautiful that Mike Holmes takes down the sloppy work and make it better. Thanks Homeful for the videos!

[@bogdan78pop]

This is a TV show....the people never paid for the remodel.........if they have to pay , they will sing a different song....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@BergeVR]

​@@bogdan78pop I know it. I saw on XUMO.

[@Cheepchipsable]

He is hardly going to show himself doing bad work, is he?

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@bogdan78pop I'm kind of wondering if they pay something toward the cost. Some of those homes are pretty expensive and it seems a bit unfair they should get such a huge benefit for nothing. I'm sure these shows rate reasonably well, but well enough to pay for a new eco home for someone? Also remember this is Canada and not the US.

[@ChristianWagner888]

At 25:00 when Holmes talked about the brick wall saying: "we can preserve it, we prime and paint it and it will last another 10 or 20 years", I thought that would be not very long. This episode was filmed about 20 years ago. I wonder how the house looks today. Does anyone know the address?

[@Cheepchipsable]

He meant it would need to be redone in 10-20 years to preserve the brick from weathering further, not that the brick would turn to dust after that long. It would be interesting to know how long they intended for those type of homes to last when they built them.

[@robertmailhos8159]

Mike hit this one out of park on bringing the neighbors together on this job

[@LaverneMantei-ck6le]

Why don't these folks just call Mike Holmes to begin with? Seems to me he is the only guy in Canada who knows what in the world he is doing and he always does it right the first time. Wish Mike Holmes lived in Georgia!!!!

[@Mr_NB628]

Probably because he’s expensive as shit lol

[@chrisnguyen5922]

I think cost is the reason. If it wasn't for the tv producers & funding, the affordability of renovations and/or reconstructions are outside of many homeowners' budgets.

[@Cheepchipsable]

They would get thousands of calls and vetting them all would be a nightmare. I expect this one was chosen because it was unusual for the show.

[@vulcan1429]

Mike you got this one wrong big time. Visit them in July for a nice cold drink on that front porch that you created for them.

[@terrihartbarger]

Why is Mike wrong?

[@craigathonian]

love the finished look....except for that tiny, undersized overhang. When Mike said "to protect the doors" i was expecting just that. Something big enough that a person can be protected in the rain....Not a tiny weak attempt that looks like the owners ran out of money.... and the doors aren't being protected.

[@Riley0509]

Wow. I just started watching this show but this is an older show. He is so young.

[@frankfuller975]

this is season 3 of 7, then Holmes Inspection came after this show.

[@Faruk651]

I am not fan of the roofed porch but roof should have stayed to protect the house. The new look brings out the character of the homes but i think roof protection against front wall is more important in a +100 year old house.

[@ronwade5646]

I had porches in Arizona and Idaho, major features that got major use. Here in Flagstaff we only spend 6 months a year on our porch.

[@frannypalmer2726]

I definitely agree with Mike about using screws instead of nails! I have used hundreds of screws while DIYing my own home.

[@Helladamnleet]

A lot of people commenting on the porches not realizing they weren't original to the house either way. What Mike did here was bring them closer to the original fascade than ever before

[@iamgabriel5823]

End result was really beautiful.

[@wendymullock275]

Looks stunning ❤

[@toportime]

Looked amazing at the end, nice little cookout to end it all.

[@sandgroper1970]

Actually if those families could get together that front deck/ porch for both homes could be a hang out spot for both, in good weather, or a get together for the adults

[@monicageang6588]

Good job and very beautiful I like how you walk. God bless you and keep you safe or more people need help.

[@4RunnerDuck]

Only thing that I disagree with is the use of screws over nail on the floor joists. Here in the states we use TICO nails on joist hangars. Nails are much more stronger due to their sheer strength. If you were to bend a screw back and forth they will break rather quickly, as opposed to nails which you can bend several times before they break.

[@Link219]

A nail can be pulled out, there's nothing on the nail to stop that. A screw has threads, which will stop that and prevent bending. Now, I don't know anything about TICO nails, so I can't speak to those. By and far though, I would trust a screw over a nail.

[@bevfrench3496]

These women kill me.....free work, looks so much better and yet they stand there and say "something I have to think throuth".....incredible.

[@dgrblue4162]

It's definitely a crazy one. On one side the hippie lady, and the other the haughty lady who wants to be in charge but can't. 😂

[@catharina2022]

So because it is free you accept something you hate? You think it looks better? I don't. you can't argui about taste😊

[@Cheepchipsable]

They needed a builders opinion from the start, not a decker, roofer, or any other individual part affected by the problem. That's why it went around in circles before Mike came along.

[@KC-603]

This is one of the most beautiful houses I've seen on your show. I hope she won the case because that contractor did the worst building I've seen on your show too!

[@Matt-dj3tc]

Separating the gutters with 2 separate downspouts was an easy solution. How anyone didn’t recommend that is not believable. She said they didn’t provide a solution but it seems no one was willing to pay for it. Cost should be split

[@Cheepchipsable]

Sound like she was just asking the wrong people, or who were only trained to do gutters etc. They can't give advice beyond what they know.

[@michaelvanhorn3271]

Man, I wish he replaced the front Porch, houses with full front porches are so much more livable. This is fine for summer and no weather... but not a replacement.

[@flankerroad7414]

Screws have their uses, for sure, but I would use nails for framing purposes, e.g. 3.5 inch galvanised to connect deck framing, much stronger and resistant to lateral forces and loads. And use the recommended nails for joist hangars, never screws, not even construction grade screws. Still, Mike and his crew do durn good, solid work!!

[@Scubamike4499]

I agree, nails over screws because of sheer strength But of course screws do hold better

[@jimt9661]

@@Scubamike4499 Installation errors was the reason given to me to NOT use screws for structural. Screw if overdriven can and do snap, leaving the connection weak. Nails are basically foolproof, it's hard to over drive a nail, but real easy with a screw, more so with an impact driver

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@jimt9661 Learn how to use the impact driver maybe?

[@allygee5468]

I think the houses look much better without the heavy roofs

[@Faruk651]

yes, i agree but that roof was providing a lot of protection to the house.

[@annepettit3855]

It looks lovely…but it’s gonna roast in the summer. It gets hot there!

[@charlesphilhower1452]

Always a good idea to fix the roof if the porch decl rotted out.

[@mamag9421]

As an owner of a 100+ yo home, the removal of the front porch roofing would be devastating to me! Mike kept saying "it just doesn't work for me", and "sometimes you just gotta bring them around see it your way". Had he said that to me as the homeowner, I'd have been furious! Gotta say, as a long time Mike fan, this job left me cold.

[@vulcan1429]

Amen Brother, Mike blew this one for me too."It just doesn't work for me" means to me as a home owner that he just doesn't feel like doing the work. Just lazy.

[@mamag9421]

I'm not sure lazy is the right word. They certainly did a lot of work on the place. I think Mike got full of himself & his own preferences. If he wants to take the roof off his own porch, fine. But as a professional you don't make that decision for your client.

[@MrJramirex]

The windows are taking a beating now. Old House, old wood windows, old caulking, who knows how they were installed. The best way to protect a window is to not have one. The second best way is to have a cover of some sort. Personally, I would have asked to have a roof over the porch.

[@ronbennett7885]

Agreed. A shorter overhang maybe, but this was too extreme. They lost a lot of usable space. It's been 20 years. Wonder what it looks like now. Also, if it was redone and extended further out.

[@zarda1484]

This might be what the house was meant to look like. Probably looks so much better inside during the day with that extra sunlight. I'm with you though, I like to sit outside on a rainy day under a covered porch.

[@antongronski-ho2fg]

When did the concept change in building a wall? I was taught that you ha d your studs 16”on center and doubles every48”. To have your wall sections flat on the a stud and didn’t have to tie nail board edges.

[@marlene7969]

Made a nice old home look like a modern crappy tract home. Who wants a modern deck on an old home? They wanted to enjoy their porch, the roof removal would take away from that for me. Lots of slips when the snow goes right onto the decking. The gaps will let the MELTING snow through… as long as it’s too cold for it to melt, it’ll be there - and slippery - unless you shovel it off! I would cry if someone took the roof off of my porch! I’ve lived with and without, and I don’t EVER want to go back to without!

[@BergeVR]

Yes a whole leakage. What are the contractors doing when they built the house? I think Mike and his crew can use caulking maybe.

[@flankerroad7414]

I would have preferred the roof-over, too. Shade on a hot day and can sit out there on a rainy day. It looks fine, but the roof would have been better. Wouldn't have taken much to rebuild the roof, in the context of the entire job.

[@BergeVR]

​@@flankerroad7414 Okay.

[@ronbennett7885]

Your sentiments are spot on. Lost so much usable space. It's been 20 years. I wonder if the roofs have been extended out.

[@johncundiss9098]

Every time Holmes says "I would really rather see. I would really rather have." You can bet it going to be another 20k added to the bill. P.S. Makes a good drinking game.

[@CynthiaRockroth]

You can't beat the better quality when he does. The whole point is you have to have good quality to do good quality work. Mimuim means junk. QUALITY means just that.

[@johncundiss9098]

@@CynthiaRockroth not complain about quality. But I am speaking the truth. Those people wanted to keep their porch. Once he was done the bill was so big they did not get the big covered porch they had, they now have a patio and bushes. Out of money.

[@CynthiaRockroth]

@@johncundiss9098 in case you missed it the real reason to not put a roof up was to bring more LIGHT INTO THE FROUNT WINDOWS. And more natural light in the house. And the reason I gripe about quality is some previous idiot cut corners and put a porch over the old porch and IT ROTTED. Making it a danger as well as more expensive to fix. Like slaping a coat of paint over a leak. It looks pretty long enough to steal the money and run but doesn't leak and cost more later to replace damage and fix it.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@johncundiss9098 They just had a fixed picture of their homes, so maybe it was a win/win.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@CynthiaRockroth LOL, Mike gave that as an advantage to not having a roof. What's it going to be like over the year? Might be greater now but in summer it might be too hot.

[@danbert6039]

gap on deck board only needed if it gets zero sun. gap will develop as deck board shrinks.

[@susanwahl6322]

He does acknowledge when he finds good construction.

[@flybyav8tor]

Wow, it’s terrible. This is exactly what’s wrong with modern builders & contractors. There is nothing Victorian about those porches, or window aprons. It’s very confusing from the street now. Is it Victorian? Is it Tudor? Why does the entry way look like a cottage or cabin? Mike could definitely learn some architectural details from Brent Hull, that would pay honor to the houses of old.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Dude, it's just a house, stop fetishising.

[@roycecrowe1066]

MIKE, MIKE, MIKE.... YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE WORKERS ON YOUR PROJECTS ARE WEARING MASKS WHEN DOING DEMO AND REPAIRS THAT PRODUCE DUST. IT SHOULD BE A HEALTH ISSUE FOR YOU AND AN INSURANCE ISSUE AS WELL. LETS MAKE IT RIGHT BROTHA

[@ronbennett7885]

This episode was produced 20 years ago. In newer ones dating from 2009-2011, masks are more common along with safety lines.

[@ChakatNightspark]

The Center Flower Box, should be used for Herb growing.

[@projectionv.accountability1010]

You capitalize strangely

[@patricialawrence7459]

You did it again!

[@petranilla14]

They will get great natural light without the roof!!

[@leestebbins5051]

I think whomever did the work before Mike did my porch around 20 years ago.

[@juliansmith4295]

whoever

[@electronixTech]

Same here. I had to tear apart my back PVC board steps and rebuild them properly myself. The contractor who did the job for the previous owner used cheap nails that rusted out and did not use enough wood for the joists and it looked like they used scrap wood as well hidden underneath. It ended up collapsing on me when I walked on it. They did a quick and dirty job that looked nice on the outside but was shoddily built on the inside.

[@richardgarrison4848]

I'm impressed!

[@bluefeather56]

Were the stained glass windows protected?

[@Scubamike4499]

It was weird for me to hear them say eavesdrops, eavesdrop. Maybe its a canada thing, only ever heard them referred to as gutters 😂

[@drtaru]

EavesTroughs. A trough for water for the eaves... AKA Gutter.

[@Scubamike4499]

Wow. I guess I just totally misheard her, it sounded like "drops"

[@BergeVR]

Yes, Here in the US we call them that too. 😂

[@randomrazr]

were these victorian homes originally designed to be semis?

[@BergeVR]

@@randomrazr Well, I don't know about that.

[@Tombzy]

These two ladies both have sweet Canadian accents.

[@WesleyBrutcher-xc4tl]

Bob who ? Awesome Mike !

[@vetgamerR.A.H.]

2 MANY FRAUDS for home owners!!!!

[@Michael_Bradburn]

I'm sure you already know this Mike, But that black on top of that wood is 100+ year old coal dust.

[@Michael_Bradburn]

The solution is simple, Repair it as one house at the same time. No material can butt against another across the same structure and or at different times and not have new problems. Any repairs to the outside of the house that meets the other side has to be across the whole house. This is true for any home no matter how many people own or divide it.

[@richardfullerton7691]

Was the Ceder sealed?

[@DanielSlaughter-vi5hy]

Looks better without the hidious overhung porch roof.

[@HercDryvr]

I love this Guy. How to we clone him?

[@qazsedcftgbhujmkolp4401]

That one lady reminds me of William Shatner

[@AyaBlue22]

24:45 - I wonder if he's related to Pete

[@hrmanager97]

Karen vs. Karen ... Shoulda sold tickets😂

[@ClearwaterChad]

I would be super pissed they didn't put a new roof on porch

[@randomrazr]

how old is this episode

[@Mark.Watson]

Aired Nov 4, 2004

[@bigunone]

"Here we go again"

[@BergeVR]

Mike could make it right and make the porch medium-code requirements met.

[@markelliott7917]

Pretty sure I saw ACQ screws going into a joist hanger! oops!

[@0Erag0n]

what this filmed with a potato?

[@georgestone1485]

You always get what you vote for, whether USA or CANADA. If you want good work, don't just call the BBB, call the state or provincial building code enforcement department. Ask them for recommendation on a good GC, with good relationships with other trades people.

[@cherylkurucz8852]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@mikeh8416]

Why I RENT!!!

[@toomanyjstoomanyrs1705]

You can see those two ladies spitting venom at each other. They were both highly demanding. It's understandable up to a point. From the outside looking in. A person/family will make one of their biggest investments of their lives and will fight tooth and nail to make sure it's protected.

[@chuck2306]

Brick i would have sand blasted it fill in the cracks and clear coated

[@Cheepchipsable]

...and every time you sandblast you remove some of the brick...

[@davidanderson2915]

Mike never stops complaining about poor quality work by others, but in reality he should be thankful because it's job security for him.

[@bwillan]

That may be true, but after a while, ripping out crap upon crap just becomes tiresome.

[@katherineking1361]

You've got that right.....😢😢

[@iamgabriel5823]

I worked in construction for 20 years. I promise you, there is never a shortage of work for GOOD contractors. During economic hard times the crappy ones weed themselves out. During economic prosperity, or after a major disaster, watch out the charlatans come crawling out of their holes to take advantage of less knowledgeable homeowners.

[@randomrazr]

imagine the inside of this semi home if its anything like the outside work

[@randomrazr]

25:10 how come snad blasting is ilegal? how else would one restore natural brick

[@hsimpson6581]

I hate it when they Don’t respect the historical significance of a house just tear into it and make it modern. The old one was crap but this isn’t historically accurate or nice

[@clivewiddall3430]

Bet the house wasn’t built with a porch in the first instance, if you look house either side don’t have porches

[@Cheepchipsable]

So what patch it up trill it falls down, or has to be knocked down. Do you think they did that in the past? No the gutted and remodelled to suit the needs of the living not some dead designers from a century ago.

[@juliansmith4295]

@@Cheepchipsable That's why Europe's beautiful, and most of Canada looks like a collection of fast food outlets. People go abroad on holiday and marvel at the architecture, then come back to Canada and want to mow anything down that's more than five years old.

[@jamesbobo3128]

HELLO the lady keeps complaining about the front of her house being changed different well why don't they make it look like the town houses off of sesame street

[@KevinKinder-ey9gv]

Solution sell the house and buy a detached home

[@ronbennett7885]

Yep. Will wager at least one of them did after that experience. They're outwardly friendly to each other for the camaras, but there seems to be underlying tension.

[@Brooklynraised68]

Snobs owners