Victory Motorcycles - What happened to Victory and what Polaris and Indian should do next

The story of Victory Motorcycles. What happened? Where do things sit today? What should Polaris and Indian Motorcycle do next? This video includes a suggested path forward to benefit Victory Owners and the Indian Motorcycle brand.
Like and subscribe to show support for this message.
Magna Mods:
- Kuryakyn ISO Grips - amzn.to/3LRmkdR
- Kuryakyn Mirrors - amzn.to/3ZkOII8
- Kuryakyn Passenger Pegs - amzn.to/3JNivnh
- Kuryakyn Driver Pegs - amzn.to/3LUs7zp
- Kuryakyn Shifter Pegs - amzn.to/3ZgxWKl
- Corbin Gunfighter Saddle
Victory Mods:
- 7Jurock Custom Motorcycle Winshield - www.7jurock.com/
- Klock Werks Windshield - amzn.to/3z8j7ie
- Victory Heal Shifter - amzn.to/3KcYB6o
- Shortie AM/FM Antenna - amzn.to/42JRR7p
- Victory Kicker premium speakers - amzn.to/3nqojLZ
- Ipod cable extension to right saddle bag
- Victory LED Headlight - amzn.to/3zc7oPM
- Tri-Oval Stage 1 Exhaust
- Victory Stage 1 performance air filter - amzn.to/40GF2ZV (standard OEM filter)
- Kruzer Kaddy Chrome Cup Holder - amzn.to/3KdJz0x
- Kuryakyn highway pegs - amzn.to/3LOXLhE
Safety Gear:
- Shoei GT-Air (latest is GT-Air II) - amzn.to/3LXZHV1
- Shoei CNS-1 Visor - amzn.to/3ZkyeQk
- Yuasa Jumper Cables - amzn.to/40FLz6U
- Stop & Go Mini Air Compressor - amzn.to/3FWfjV8
- Stop & Go Tire Repair Kit - amzn.to/3z6cWLT
- CruzTOOLS Metric Tool Kit - amzn.to/3KaTt2G
- CruzTOOLS Harley Tool Kit - amzn.to/42H0oYT
- Carhartt Tool Roll Bag - amzn.to/42Gwx2K
- MSR Fuel Bottle 11 Ounce - amzn.to/3z828Na
- MSR Fuel Bottle 20 Ounce - amzn.to/3LZMPxT
- MSR Fuel Bottle 30 Ounce - amzn.to/3LUubr9
- Adventure Medical First Aid Kit - amzn.to/3LW5f2m
MotoVlog Gear:
- Tascam DR-05X - amzn.to/40CGPyX
- Purple Panda Lavalier Lapel Mic: amzn.to/3ZkwBCp
- GoPro Hero 8: amzn.to/3ZogT9c
- GoPro Hero 4: amzn.to/3McfPmb
- RAM Camera (GoPro) Adapter AP-B-202U-GOP1:
- RAM Mounts X-Grip Phone Mount: amzn.to/3zt6UFn
#indianmotorcycle
#victorymotorcycles
#polaris

[@vincenttarquini4235]

While your suggestion is a good one and makes sense, I do not see Polaris doing this. The failure of Victory was due to faulty marketing and support services. They burned a loyal customer base and the resentment runs deep. They could provide parts for the next 20-30 years if they wanted to, but they don't want to. They are banking on us getting frustrated and paying a ridiculous price to purchase a new Indian. Unless they change that attitude I am very unlikely to do so.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Good thoughts Vincent. Your comments showcase exactly what Polaris is losing because of the way they've handled Victory. Thanks as always.

[@mikehayes3014]

Ridiculous price? 🙄

[@cavscout62]

After Polaris pulled the rug out from under their 100% Loyal Customers they can shove their fake “indian” badged junk straight up their collective sewer pipe.

[@oldylr41]

The failure of Victory was two fold: First, Victory sold between 125 and 135K bikes TOTAL in it's 18 years of existence; Second, of those bikes that were sold, there were only 45K unique purchasers of Victory from the dealer, meaning people kept buying Victory's over time, but they weren't attracting new customers. High customer acquisition cost and generally low sales volume, coupled with large R&D dollars spent on models (can anyone say Vision?) didn't make the brand profitable as an ongoing concern. It's easy to blame Marketing and support, but it's a spurious argument at best. How else do you explain Indians success with essentially the same marketing/support operation and fewer dealers? FWIW, I currently own a Victory XC, an Indian Roadmaster and an Indian Challenger.

[@davidvanbrunt4233]

@@oldylr41 own a 15 XCT, love it but refuse to buy an Indian ...I'll go BMW first !!!

[@derickballew5941]

I'm just going to put it out there. I was all over the scout bobber. The style, and iconic indian branding was all it took to convince me it was the bike for me. Then I saw the vegas 8 ball.....the heavens split open, angels sung and I wept. Long story short, I bought a 2014 8 ball with 3500 miles on it this year and have never looked back. Victory motorcycles are by far the best bikes I've ever rode.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Ha! Love it! Hope you have many long rides, serenaded by the sound of angels, and cushioned by the heavenly clouds of fully Polaris supported suspension. Thanks for the comment bud. Got a kick out of this one.

[@bobm8531]

I became a owner of a 2013 Vegas 8Ball this past summer. The former original owner only put 800 miles on it. And I love it!! I was always impressed by Victory style since they first came out. I agree with your video and statements regarding what Polaris could do with trying to embrace Victory owners. Thanks for trying to plant the " seed "

[@chasingredlineofficial]

For sure! Thanks for watching and congrats on your Vegas! 800 miles is nothing! You basically have a new bike on your hands!

[@scottpayne33]

Its kinda funny the first thing i heard, when they introduced the challenger, from a tech at indian, is that its roots are from victory, they still embrace victory, just not in a promotional way.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Yeah, I had heard similar things. The Challenger could have easily had a Victory badge if things were different. But I have no way to confirm it. Your tech is probably the best source. With all the Victory spirit ingested into Indian bikes, bringing the riders along makes a ton of sense. Support a Victory bike just as you would previous Indian models. Thanks for the comment!

[@azdr7310]

I bought a 2004 Kingpin new in 2004. It is by far the best motorcycle I have ever owned. It just keeps going. Nothing breaks. That said, I agree whole heartedly with your thoughts on Polaris. I feel abandoned. As of now, I will never buy another Polaris product. If they took the approach you suggested, I might reconsider. Thanks for the video. You have my support.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching and for the comment! We will see if anything happens but the support in the comments is humbling and supports the case for lost revenue opportunity.

[@aldolajak1267]

Kudos shout out to my local Indian dealer, Action Motor Sports in Mandan, ND, that continues to fully support Victory riders with their parts and service needs.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Totally! Have to celebrate those dealers that are stepping up! Good work Action Motor Sports if you read this! Thanks for the comment Al.

[@45calwheelers]

100% correct I loved my vision. Just lost it Thursday in a traffic accident. I will be buying another vision. I work at Harley also and have a deluxe as a back up bike for when the Vic is getting serviced. The vision was faithful and never gave me issues.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Oh man, hope you are ok from that accident first of all. Second, glad you liked your Vision enough to consider getting another one. I hope you don't have trouble finding one. Good luck to you!

[@CaledoniaKeys]

Great video. I also can’t help but feel for all the Victory dealerships who were left high and dry. One local dealer told me that if they wanted to carry Indian they had to pay the same as anyone else (no restitution or special treatment after losing the Victory line). Ride on!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks! You bring up a great point! The customers weren't the only ones impacted. The dealers were left with an inventory to deal with and lack of continuity with Polaris. Great perspective to add! Thank you!

[@michaelroy925]

Well Done Video! I had the same thoughts myself, thank you for putting this on KZbin for all to see. I Really hope it gets back to Polaris. Polaris would benefit greatly by supporting Victory owners now ,who like you said very likely would become future Indian Riders 😎

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you sir! If nothing else, I hope it reaches them and prompts a conversation. I think Victory owners would rally around Indian and it isn't too late to turn it around.

[@pepewujek4072]

Love my 2015 Cross Country. I have 40k+ miles of memories. Riding it till I retire it. I just picked up a 2020 scout bobber. It’s such a blast! I agree with this video 💯. Im sticking with Polaris bikes over Harley because I feel the reliability is there and the fact that I don’t need 3 different oils for oil changes.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching and the comment! Hope you get many great years out of your Scout! I think the quality is there for Indian. The lessons learned through Victory absolutely helped to make Indian what it is today. If they pair that with moves like this to show that they are committed to the customer and not just the sale, that would make them a powerful force. Thanks again!

[@justink3680]

This is the video that I've been waiting on from you. It deserves so many more views and you deserve more subscribers. Good job guy.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I'm glad you found that it hit the mark! Appreciate the kind words. I'm looking to improve the quality of content on the channel over time.

[@bobh2201]

Excellent ideas! Victory Cross Roads forever! 13 states last year😊

[@chasingredlineofficial]

That is awesome!

[@BigFiveJack]

VICTORY VISIONS are so, so great looking in my opinion! I hope Jay Leno gets one and keeps it running forever.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Ha! I don't think I've seen Jay do any episodes on Victory bikes. But I'd love to see him do one.

[@davidvanbrunt4233]

They could produce Victory parts indefinitely, and they should !!!!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I know right?!?! :)

[@gregguminski]

I own 2 Indians and a Victory. Couldn't agree more. Love them all.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Quite the collection! Thanks for watching.

[@brucewygal133]

I still own a 2004 Victory Vegas that I bought new. It is still beautiful and runs great. I can't take it on the long rides anymore because of the risk of having a problem and not having any support to get it fixed. After the way Polaris did to it's watercraft customers and then to us loyal Victory customers I was unable to buy an Indian even though I like what they have done with them very much. They are just untrustworthy in my mind. So I bought a Moto Guzzi V85TT and am loving it. Moto Guzzi might seem to some like a bit of a gamble, but they have been around for a very long time and have been true to their customer's expectations. The hurt Polaris did to their reputation runs very deep. To put it bluntly, they were stupid!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for sharing! I always wanted a Vegas and probably would have bought one eventually if things had been different. Beautiful bike! Your choice to go with something other than Indian is a clear example of the point I'm trying to make here. So thanks for the supporting comment! Hope you enjoy the heck out of that Moto Guzzi!

[@tniederhofer1946]

Love my 2013 Cross Country! Still running very very strong!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Same year as mine! Hope she keeps going!

[@tomhighway1952]

Howdy. I've been riding since 1963. I've owned a lot of Harleys in my life, and still own two. One of them I've had for 45 years. I bought a 2003 Victory V92C Deluxe through the custom order program the first year Victory offered it. Ordered the bike in September of 2002, took delivery in March of 2003. I still have it. It has 70,000 miles on it. It's the bike my wife and I use for long trips. I love that bike. I went to work for my local Victory dealer in 2004. Worked there until 2017. When they dropped Victory, I was done. I was at retirement age anyway, so I just went ahead and retired. I'll probably never sell my Vic, but I wouldn't have an Indian for love nor money. I have no doubt in my mind that as soon as Indian sales start to fall off, Polaris will drop Indian like a hot potato. I can still get parts for my two "antique" Harleys, so if my Vic ever dies, I'll just go back to riding them for long trips. Polaris can kiss my tired old ass.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you for sharing Tom! I haven't had the opportunity to jump on a V92C yet but hope to at some point. You were there when it all started. You nailed it on the Indian concern. Hope you get many more miles out of your Vic. And your Harleys for that matter.

[@TheJa5656]

My thoughts exactly! The number 1 reson why I will not but Indian is the way they are treating people that has a Victory

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you for watching and your comment!

[@johnsharp7931]

Agree 100%. Keep up the good Victory work!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks, will do!

[@davegoldspink5354]

Real shame Victory tanked. Even here in Australia like Indian they were cheaper than HD and Victory did still have a good range as well as a good name.

[@ctemple1905june]

You may not know or have forgotten that this is the third time Polaris has pulled this stunt on their dealers and their customers. First was the POLARIS STAR CAR, then the Polaris Jet ski, and finally Victory. in each case, Polaris failed to support the units in the customer's hands through parts and dealer knowledge. That's not a track record I will support by buying an Indian!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you for the context! More reason for Indian to step up and change the narrative. Commit to Victory owners and support them just as you would/should previous Indian model years. Polaris wants to be in the motorcycle market, has the dealer market, and could make this happen if those chose to. Starting there might help break the track record!

[@moto-rollin]

Great video! I'm sharing it for sure. I hope they hear us!!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks Steve! I appreciate that!

[@AWildTWOcard]

08 Vision. 2nd owner. Love it. You are talking sense. The money people dont see past 3 years.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Glad you love your bike! Thanks for the support!

[@itsmotsn8948]

Being a new Victory rider this year, in March I picked up a 2013 High Ball that always caught my eye, whether it was on the road or window shopping on the interweb. Coming off a sports bike I wanted to experience something new something different. The High Ball didn't just do that for me it expanded it! Knowing that the market for Vics is very slim the Victory community is huge! Don't get me wrong Harleys are awesome but it looks all the same to me. After riding a High Ball I'd love to upgrade to a Habanero Orange Magnum. The torque the feel the bullet proof 106 when you open it up is just like music that plays on repeat and never get tired of. This video just got my like and sub! Thank you for the content and I support this!!!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you for that! I always liked the High Ball. Congrats on owning an awesomesauce bike! The community around Victory is great and very supportive of one another. In some ways, we have to be. I hope you can find that Habanero Orange Magnum of your dreams!

[@nigelmckenzie7488]

I agree with you, and also believe Polaris could have easily made a Victory line from Indian and it would have been a financial and marketing "Victory" for bike owners and Polaris. Instead, they showed themselves to be only concerned with short term financial goals.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Would have been a heck of an opportunity to just roll the Vic's into an Indian badge and support them under the same umbrella.

[@juergenrausch7991]

Fully agree! Running both brands side by side could not have been so hard for the engineers designing the new Indians have been the Victory engineers. But when quarterly financials rule the company, the strategic business view is obviously pretty short. That's what will not change with Polaris, and that's why I'll never buy an Indian - I don't need that sort of ...-kick a second time. Greetings from Berlin, Germany - a 2011 Victory Vegas 8-Ball owner

[@chasingredlineofficial]

@@juergenrausch7991 Welcome! Thanks for joining us from Germany! Do you see many Victory bikes around Berlin?

[@gregp1409]

I disagree. I am a former Victory rider who now rides an Indian. The area rep for Indian came to our IMRG meeting a short time after the decision was announce. She was a Victory engineer and HATED seeing Victory go under. She also said Polaris was fully supporting both brands but looking for a way to keep growing Indian. An outside consulting firm was brough in. They are the ones who forced Polaris leadership to face the fact that Victory lost money in four of the previous five years. Very few if anyone at Polaris WANTED to get rid of Victory. They HAD to; the money just wasn't there. You may not LIKE it but business are in business to make money; if they don't make money they will go out of business.

[@kurthorn1908]

I test rode the first year Victory Cross Roads in 2010. After my test ride i was told of the Cross Country (outlr dealership did not have one on site), but i still put a down payment on one! I sold my 2010, with 35,000 mile on it in 2016 and bought a new Cross Country Tour right before the company dissolved. Still a GREAT BIKE! My wife traded her 2010 Vegas for a 2016 Cross Country the same month! We aren't sure what to do next, but they are still running smooth! Im headed to Sturgis on Tuesday with mine, the wife is choosing not to go this time, although she has ridden her own 13 times!!! I would buy another one in an instant!! Ride safe, everyone!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Be safe this week and have a great time!

[@marekzalewski8447]

here, here. very astute and sensible advice. thank you

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Much appreciated. Thank you for watching!

[@Stevel_]

Great video and idea, I think it makes perfect sense and they should do it.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for tuning in and for the comment!

[@davidruggles996]

Love my Vision and love supporting the builders like Rylan Vos, Scott K and Lloyd Greer... But without a move like you suggest, it would be very hard to consider another Polaris bike and I'll be heading towards a Goldwing or HD dresser. Excellent video.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Absolutely! We have to rally around those guys that are titans in the Victory space. They are walking the walk. I actually just sent someone Rylan's way. I've never met him but enjoy the videos and what he is doing to scale his ability to support the community via his website. Lloyd is the man. Scott's outfit is a great spot as well. I'm noticing quite a few are going Goldwing! My old man had a Goldwing for almost 20 years so I have a lot of fond memories riding next to one. Thanks again!

[@vincentmurante5142]

You are absolutely correct in all your statements...I am so pissed I won't ever buy a Polaris product ever again. I switched to Harley-Davidson

[@that_bobber_guy]

Great video, I completely agree with you 💯

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching!

[@ibnewton8951]

Yes! -Victory Kingpin. Sacramento, CA

[@gwynnromano5881]

Everything you said is spot on. Unfortunately I think the board at Polaris is only concerned with the return on investment in the Indian brand. Most likely the attitude is that they turned the page on Victory and it’s time to stop looking backwards.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for the input. I think you are right. But, I think if they do indeed have that mindset, it is from a commitment to short term payoff rather than long term success. Losing money isn't sustainable, but the motorcycle industry is a long game. I think it is possible to payoff for shareholders long term especially coming off a 2021 year of record growth per the investor relations page. Thanks for watching!

[@albertschneider5978]

Hang in there the polaris board are not getting Christmas bonus sales are down bad and price don’t justify what your getting greedy board members heads will roll

[@mikespencer237]

I had a 2014' Victory XC, might be my most favorite bike I owned in my lifetime of 50+ motorcycles I've had! After they shut down I needed a right brake lever in black, I had to search high and low to find one, finally did and paid double the normal cost for it, the seller said he paid way above retail to get it. Then I saw that starters were hard to come by, got an email from a vendor that had found 4 of them at $400 each. Parts retailers were hoarding any Victory parts they could find to make a big profit at the expense of regular Victory owners. That for me was the writing on the wall, I was going to have to think long and hard about my favorite bike. Along this time I ran across a Harley that was being sold way below what it was worth as the owner had a financial crisis. I sold my Victory, I couldn't even watch as the new owner drove away, broke my heart! I've never really fallen in love with my Road Glide, as much as I've tried to make it into my bike. Right now if I went into the garage to start it, it wouldn't, as it has a small electrical draw myself or any dealer can find? What will be my next full tourer? Probably a Gold Wing. I really like the looks and reviews of the Pursuit, but I've been screwed once by Polaris, never again!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for sharing your experience! I recently picked up the last performance air filter (Victory discontinued them long ago) from my local dealer. The one they deployed with the original stage 1. I'm right there with you and love my XC. The idea of getting rid of it this early (2013) is a sad thing to think about. The Pursuit looks like a great option but Polaris needs to double down on support commitments to influence more to drop that kind of cash. Your Harley has an extensive support network so that is one thing you don't have to worry about. However, that starting issue has to get sorted out. But, at least you have a place to take it! Thanks again!

[@carlbruhn1772]

Well said. Only difference is I love my road glide.

[@indiorider8539]

Great video and Great suggestions! 👍 I ride my Indian and know that without Victory there would be no Indian. My say on Victory was that its a great bike! Way ahead of the times (at that time) bigger engine than th HD and cooler looking too! As some said that Victory couldn't compete with HD for the American title as Indian has. I do to this day like looking at those Victorys! And wouldn't mind having one. Besides I always hear of old HDs needing work, I never hear of a Victory needing some. Hasta luego!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for the comment and for watching. The perspective from a current Indian rider is great to have here. Cheers to seeing Victory bikes on the road for years to come.

[@robclarke7602]

Excellent video. I owned an "orphan" motorcycle brand in the past, and there are issues. When the time came that I was searching for a Cruiser, I really really liked the Victory Boardwalk. Just as was ready to make the purchase - BANG - Polaris made there announcement. Two weeks later, don't hate me, I bought a Harley Road King. No more orphans!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Ha, no hate here man! Perfect example of how stability and longevity of support matters! I might feel a bit different if Polaris had gotten out of the motorcycle market entirely. But they didn't. Orphaned Victory hurts the Indian brand. Hope you love your Road Glide! I tease Harley here but it is all in good fun. The dealer network alone for HD is a strong argument to stick with them.

[@CJVettes]

What a great video, and it would be awesome to have a dealer that could service my victory octane! Love my bike and I will continue to ride it, but the thought is always there about future parts and service. Hopefully Polaris can re-embrace the Victory linup!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I was fascinated with the Octane from the word go. Love the design, the inspiration, that motor. Hope you get many years out of it!

[@MH-uf1bd]

I agree one hundred percent of what you said. Indian also needs to release a victory magnum. And a indian octane victory with there lineup. Surprise all of us out of nowhere. It would be a great benefit to the company and brand

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Yeah, I haven't seen them do anything yet that captures that "custom bagger" look that the magnum did. Tricked out paint jobs, slammed in the back, massive wheel in the front... Would be interesting to see that kind of approach from them even with their newer models. Simply a "factory custom paint" program could be cool too. Thanks for watching!

[@richizer8000]

I ride a Victory because of the performance. I think there should be a Victory performance division of Indian. Same as screamin eagle for Harley. Use it to build over the top FAST motorcycles that most Victory riders are looking for. This is a way the Victory brand can live on.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Great idea! Victory performance parts, custom fit for Indian Motorcycles and dealer/warranty supported.

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

I agree. Pretty sure the Victory 106 has more potential than the Thunderstrokes. Indian should have a Victory line.

[@dvsmike]

3:30 this is exactly my check list when i was moving from a sport bike to a cruiser. I have a 2015 Highball and riding it into the ground. Solid design and solid engine. I can buy Vics for the rest of my life from used inventory out there and find parts from used bikes out there. I will admit though, Indian has the better bagger in the Chieftain vs the HD Street glide. I would go Indian for that bagger.

[@bradstiennon]

I have to say as a long time Polaris owner and current Indian owner I think this video is spot on! I had hoped years ago to get a Victory but was to late in my attempts to get the bike I wanted, but found a close 2nd in the Indian I have now. And yes IT IS NOT A HARLEY!

[@danzuelch]

Proud owner of #048 Victory 10th Anniversary Vision and '13 Cross Country. So done with what Polaris did to it's owner base. I bought a REAL Indian to add to my stable. A Himalayan!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Dude! A Vision AND Cross Country. So I have to ask, if you could only keep one of the two, which would you keep and why? Vision or Cross Country?

[@danzuelch]

@@chasingredlineofficial I love my Cross Country, but the Vision would be the keeper. It's the best handling, most comfortable motorcycle I have ever owned. I bought it used a couple years ago.

[@jamo88]

I'd be one of them as well. Love the victory, love indian, to choose a victory over indian comes down to finding the best deal. I loved my high ball, and would totally get another. Love the chief.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for tuning in! I always thought the Highball was a great looking bike. A lot of talk lately about the Sport Chief and I have to say I do like what they have done with it.

[@Xenthius28]

Couldn't agree more, love my Victory.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

That is awesome! Thanks for watching!

[@robertgagne9355]

It's hard not to agree, and I totally do agree.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching Robert! Appreciate the support!

[@brucesantacory1390]

I'm One of those people a Life long Harley guy, and i was going to buy a Victory Boardwalk AND an Indian Vintage, and then Polaris pulled the plug on Victory and in doing so i backed out of the deal on Both Bikes and Went back to Harley-Davidson

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I remember really liking the boardwalk. Can't blame you for backing out on them. Definitely makes you rethink things.

[@gkinne1320]

Spot on assessment and spot on hope for the future. Hope isn't a plan, of course, but it's something. I'm pretty sure poor marketing had a lot to do with the failure of the brand. Here's a little free business advice to Indian: "Victian." It's part of a new line of Indian motorcycles. It has a new 106 CI engine that people are going to/already love. You're welcome.

[@lloydgreer1475]

Good video with many hours of hard work putting it together. If your ever looking to do a follow up video Im sure i could add A WHOLE LOT of content and prospective that I havnt seen published yet. The Victory name may not exist but it still lives and hasnt died, its just wearing a mask....

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Hey Lloyd, thank you for that! I am absolutely looking to create more quality content for the Victory community and Indian community for that matter. I can't tell if this is THE Lloyd or not. If you are THE Lloyd Greer, first of all, you are a legend. Second of all, I'd appreciate your take. Let's connect.

[@Moonshot.]

Agreed 👍

[@trevorblack2288]

You make a lot of sense bro

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Well thanks! Appreciate ya!

[@KevinGriffinride]

I’m new to victory. Just got a Boardwalk and I’m in love. I wanna fill up my garage with victory’s at this point. If I could fit an FTR in there as well… seems like you really hit at the core of Polaris with this video. Well done.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you sir and congrats on your Boardwalk! I remember when the Boardwalk came out and I loved the look.

[@340rps]

Want to buy a 2011 Kingpin? About $5000 in xtras

[@07Convertable]

All of Victory's R&D went into Indian. I agree with several other commentors below, Polaris could have rebadged several other bikes with Indian badges and kept the line going. That is what happened to the Octane when it became the Scout. My Vision would outrun just about any stock HD.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Curious if you've done any performance mods to that Vision? Thanks for watching!

[@07Convertable]

@@chasingredlineofficial no, my bike was pure.

[@MrXavierwalls]

That Vegas is a sweet looking bike!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

For sure man! Definitely turns heads! Thanks for watching!

[@spiritzweispirit1st638]

Best Idea Since Victory Itself!🏆🇺🇲🏁🕊️

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks! Hopefully it resonates with enough to make a strong case.

[@joecader]

Preach it, brother! Amen!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks man!

[@ariestacrat848]

I'm from S.E. Wisconsin one month ago I sold the best bike I ever owned a 2016 Havasu red cross country to a nice gentleman from the U.P. and I believe my hand was forced due to the way Indian dealerships view Victory riders. I could get oil changes from the Racine dealership, but anything more involved and they couldn't handle it. I bought a Lloyd's fuel management system they could never properly tune and the Muskego dealership wouldn't try. I finally found a Kenosha tuner to try. I won't be replacing that bike with a Indian because of how Polaris and Indian dealers handled Victory.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I've opted to stay mostly stock for those reasons. Performing additional customization to anything drive train brings a bit of risk.

[@supaflycowboy22]

As someone with a old real Indian and loyal to the original brand, Polaris have also alienated us to, some of us in our genre prefer the victory brand over the new Indian brand, maybe they should off use the ftr as a solid platform to bring back victory, in the Indian line up, after all it has nothing to do with the old brand,

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Good perspective that hasn't really come up yet. I do think the sports, adventure, electric, and naked bike segments could have been a natural fit for Victory. Moreso than Indian where it seems out of place. Same reason Harley spun out the livewire. Victory had a little more brand freedom.

[@blakelockhart7931]

I was a Vic CR owner. We were all mislead (in more ways than one) and let down by PII when they killed Vic. I was so angry. It took a long time for me to consider them again...time, a change in management, and a vastly superior product (over HD): the Challenger. My Challenger has Vic DNA coursing thru its veins. Its motor was designed to be the Freedom 2.0 until...well, anyway...great video.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you for the comment. Glad you are having success with the Challenger and I agree that the bike screams Victory lineage.

[@joecole6508]

I bought a 2011 Victory Vision for under $9000.00 as the previous owner must have freaked when Victory said they weee changing to Indian. I love riding something different with stylish looks all the bells and whistles and the center headlight for night highway riding, the tip over protection, Hugh V tail light and plug in cord to play my music list off my phone. I love the leg room, the way i sit in the bike and not on it, the lower back support even without a backrest and easy manuvering i get out of such a long bike. I hate Polaris dropped Victory. I purchased my Vision because of the deep red color with black and chrome accents, its futuristic style as it didn't need expensive upgrades like Harley to look unique and there was no Harley vibration. Besides Victories were and STILL are more affordable. Indians have priced out Victory riders that don't want to sink 20k to 30k into purchasing a bike. At those prices I'll ride my Vision until it clunks, parts are no longer available or I'm too old and unable to ride which will be along time from now. Great Video. I think Polaris burnt 🔥 their bridge with many Victory owners. Now the trust is suspect that if Indian sales don't satisfy them they might quit on Indian like they did on Victory and then we are out again to choose between foreign bikes or Harley which are too top heavy for me. Enjoy your Victory's ✌️👍💯

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoy your vision and I hope you get many years out of it. I'm right where you are, I'd rather ride my Victory until I can't repair it any longer than spend $30k to get a comparable model from Harley or Indian. While it doesn't have infotainment options, it already has heated seats, heated grips, etc. More than anything, it fits my body type perfectly. Have a good one!

[@TheVegasbud]

This is the Vp of service for Polaris. Bridget McLennan, the VP of Service, 30 years at Polaris. Perhaps if we can find a email for her we can drop a link to this Video in it and ask her if she will just read the comments and watch the video. I am not worried about parts availability myself i will just retrofit with aftermarket and some salvage Vic parts from Ebay ! I understand not everyone is a old motorcycle technician like I ,so that makes your suggestions way more realistic . Your basic wear items at the least controls cables etc... Nice video valid points and issues with solutions!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching and for the input! Your ability to support your own bike definitely puts you in a great position to keep it running for years to come. I haven't heard any feedback from Polaris but I do hope the video made it to them and, if nothing else, caused them to reconsider how they support their Victory customers long term.

[@73mmss]

100% true, I have 2 Victory bikes, XC and Kingpin, love them to death, , the best bikes ever built and when time comes for new one it will be Indian not a Harley.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Appreciate the input! I hope Indian sticks around for a long time so we continue to benefit from both companies pushing each other to innovate. We all win when competition is in play. Are you planning to ride the Vic bikes into the dirt or are you already plotting what you want in the future?

[@arewetogether]

I love Victoy,I own a 08 Vegas Low,a13 Victoy Vision Tour.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Great combination!

[@klchristian1522]

Brilliant idea

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching!

[@chezfeliz]

I’ve long thought there’s nothing in the market anymore like victory, yet people mod their bikes to kinda look like what victory was doing. as an dude in the advertising industry, I gotta tell you this is one of the smartest strategies I’ve heard in a long time. they’d be fools to see this video and not immediately do it

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for watching and the support! Ride safe!

[@foompthedroid]

As a life long two wheeler, I bought a used XR for a milestone birthday. 40K later and I still love this thing. Absolutely the best bike I have ever owned. As a 6'3", 280lb, dude with big monkey arms, there is no other bike that fits my frame like this one. Period. When it comes time to replace parts, I'll find them and work on it myself. Screw Polaris.

[@broncosguru]

So now here is the question with Victory bikes hitting crazy low pricing as the motorcycle market starts to reel back what are the thoughts on grabbing one? I have seen some Vegas models as low as $2800 and several in the $3500 range what are the thoughts on getting one in this price range or with the issues of service and parts just leave it and stick with another brand.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Hello there. It all comes down to risk vs reward. Here is my personal take. Once you hit a certain price point, the caliber of bike you are getting starts to far outweigh the risk of losing your investment if something catastrophic was to happen. Victory bikes are known to be reliable but things do happen. With that said, there are a few things I would do if I wanted to put myself in the best position to have longevity out of the killer deal found on a new Vegas for instance. First, I would do a full inspection as I would for any bike and make sure the bike was well cared for. Second, I would really think twice before purchasing one that had a lot of aftermarket work done. While cams and fuel controllers can improve performance, they can also add additional points of failure and complexity when attempting to perform a repair. So personally, I am choosing to remain largely stock outside of the additions I already made early (factory stage 1). This simplifies the system and reduces risk of additional issues. After considering those things, it really comes down to what price is low enough for you to feel comfortable parting out or scrapping the bike if something really bad happened. Run that against the pretty darn good track record and my guess is if you get 5-10 years out of a $3k Vic, that is a killer investment for 100 or 106cc head turning machine. Best of luck! Let us know where you land on the topic!

[@joelaichner3025]

2000 Sport Cruiser , all machine work , stage 4 , 112 hp , 118 torque , on the dyno , like riding on rails in the corners , foot pegs raised 1 inch , moved 2 inches forward , dragging the pegs in the corners , it handles

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Love it! Bad bike on the roadways! Should film yourself a walkaround of that thing and post it for the world to enjoy.

[@terrymcginnis5206]

Fell in love with my buddy's Vegas when he bought one. Still thanking God that I didn't go that route myself.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

It was a hell of a bike but I understand completely.

[@loveandre12]

Man you are absolutely correct brother that's exactly what they should have did and you got to ask yourself how come they didn't think of this their marketing department socks.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

It's not too late! They can set things right. Regain many who were lost. Not all, but many. Still opportunity there. Thanks for viewing!

[@glennsmith1040]

I totally agree with your ideas, the comments and emotional sentiments shared. I own a 2013 CCT and a 2016 Vegas. I love my Victory's and I will ride them till the end. I'm on the west coast of Canada. When Polaris made the announcement I immediately started my parts inventory to ensure my Vic's go forever. I agree that Polaris really screwed up and what your proposing would go along way to help rebuild customer faith in Polaris brands. But, regardless I'll be riding my Victory's till I die. They're incredible machines, true collector bikes. In a perfect world Polaris would clearly see the value of your proposal and seize the opportunity. However, knowing it's not a perfect world I'm just going to keep riding my Vic's cause there's no machine that comes close. "NO RICE, NO PORK, JUST ALL BEEF!" that's Victory Motorcycles. Glenn, Victoria, BC, Canada

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for the comment. Love my 2013 CCT as well! I don't have 16 Vegas though so now you have me jealous. :)

[@stephanedupont8564]

I ride m'y 2022 Indian roadmaster dark horse with m'y Victory cut, and I am about to buy another Victory this year because I really miss m'y 2013 Victory judge 👍👍👍👍

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Awesome man! Thanks for tuning in! Hope you find a Judge that fills the garage slot left by your 2013.

[@juliancrooks3031]

I liked the victory just couldn't get financed for one but Harley did finance me. Looking for a used one to play with.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Hope you find one. I have seen that Harley dealers will go above and beyond to assist with financing.

[@nicholasselvaggi54]

I bought a 2006 Victory Hammer earlier this year for $3500. Stage 1 80whp and 103wtq. 12.6@101 in the quarter mile. I may swap the orange/tribal paint for the aggressive red. That would look amazing on my motorcycle

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Heck of a bike for $3,500! If you redo the paint, you should share some photos with us all!

[@stevelehel3625]

Well stated!!!

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thank you!

[@patbridges9029]

I recently picked up a 2000 '92 c I like it Chevrolet Ford parts Moto guzzi parts those are the front fork seals and a couple good friends that are Master Machinist so God forbid something happens I was impressed

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Congrats on the new purchase! I hope you get many years and safe miles out of it. Thanks for watching.

[@davegoldspink5354]

Thanks for sharing and just an add on your idea of incorporating the Victory name with the Indian actually is a sound and sensible idea. Ok both Indian and Victory are from the same stable and Victory was cut off way to early. If Polaris did recognise Victory it would also be bringing Victory riders back to the fold as you said.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for weighing in! At the end of the day, it is Polaris Motorcycles regardless of whether we slap the Indian or Victory name on them. So keeping the Victory customer engaged generates a larger Polaris community overall.

[@juans3728]

I would like for Victory to reestablish itself in the U.S. In Australia the Victory brand has grown , this is an American brand that should have never died and the reason this happened is because the company had no Leadership that that would make it's workers proud to build a American classic. Please bring it back to America where it all began for Victory. Peace.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Would be nice to see. I keep hearing how hard it is to get parts in Australia. Thanks for watching!

[@MrMaxodom1]

Agree

[@frankdebilio3404]

Victory V>ision best bike Ever Built

[@randilamkins1991]

I have a 2011 Vision and travel all over the country with it. After 50,000 miles I suffered one breakdown and that was a rear flat tire. If you change the oil every 5,000 miles this bike will run forever. If I ever purchase another bike it will be a Vision. There are so many still out there with low miles and as far as parts go you will always find them.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Love your optimism and I hope you can always find parts! I've experienced similar reliability and will ride my CCT into the dirt. At least that is my current plan.

[@tattooeddragon]

I picked up a used but immaculate 2010 Vegas 8 ball from my local Indian dealer and it is hands down the most reliable and incredibly smooth bike I have ever owned! But the downside is if anything catastrophic goes wrong with it then I’m shit out of luck as no one services then and I can’t work on it myself due to no parts existing.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

You nailed it. Lucky for us, a few of the after market champions are providing some things. Hopefully they stick with it. Also, hopefully you go many years without any major issues!

[@tattooeddragon]

@@chasingredlineofficial I have no doubts my friend that our bikes will outlast any in the roads!

[@jondoe1784]

I won hundred percent agree I sewed a victory one year ago because it was getting so hard to get parts and service I hated it I still miss the bike

[@chasingredlineofficial]

That is how I'll be if I sell mine. Hopefully you found something else that moves you.

[@jondoe1784]

Roadmaster

[@chasingredlineofficial]

@@jondoe1784 Rock on. Hope you love it!

[@jeffpalmer5502]

Also I am waiting for a Persuit cross country it looks just like my victory because we still have the edge on storage capacity and styling. or maybe we can call the Persuit Victor. i’m good with that and I’ll buy one because I’m about ready for another bike! But I’m keeping my 90 K victory. Ride on🍻

[@chasingredlineofficial]

It will be interesting to see if they continue to add more design queues from Victory into the Indian line. The challenger/pursuit are already using some of that for sure.

[@bernardprouty1390]

Yes. Put a lot of money in Victory's, promoted the brand. Then got burnt along with my favorite dealer, who was the best. I have 1 Indian, but mostly placing my money in Japanese market now. Yes Polaris missed an opportunity. They cold have made Victory into their Sport and adventure tour bikes and placed Indian into the cruiser sector. The Victory had solid engines. But with mechanic support drying up many had to bail. They should sell the brand.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I think Victory would have been a killer brand for sport, adventure, and naked bikes. They already had everyone jazzed after TT and Pikes Peak. Speaking of those segments and you mention the Japanese market. I'm looking hard between an Yamaha MT-09 and the alternative would be a Triumph Street Triple RS. Thanks for watching!

[@ZebraActual]

That would be cool, but it ain't gonna happen.. because as proven Polaris ultimately doesn't give a shit about anything other than profits.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I get it. :) Call me an optimist. It will be difficult for them to quantify the impact of these steps which I think would be the hard sell. But, goodwill is always hard to measure yet remains a well accepted business concept. The relationship with the organization shouldn't simply be transactional. Selling the bike is partial credit and short sighted. It is what happens around that sell that makes the difference on if we all go back to Polaris on the next one. Right now, I think Polaris has lost a ton of that positive reputation with Victory owners, clearly aligning with your comment. Thanks for watching and your thoughts.

[@carlbruhn1772]

Well said!!

[@brphillips3]

Ya I was a Victory rider, I loved my Gunner picked it up new in 2015. I was mad when Victory shut down but when they sent the letter thanking me for my loyalty here is 1500 dollars off a new Indian I ditched Polaris all together. I started riding a Harley because it wasn't an Indian.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Knowing you had the Gunner, what Harley did you end up with? Thanks for watching!

[@brphillips3]

@@chasingredlineofficial I was looking at a Cross Country because I wanted something to tour on, so I went with a HD Ultra Limited. When I got the Gunner I was looking at the 15 Fat bob but the Gunner had more power, larger engine and was 4k less. Wish Polaris hadn't done the loyal riders dirty but they are definitely building a base with Indian, unfortunately they did push a lot of riders away.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Hope you get a ton of miles out of that HD. You have access to a massive dealer networks and all the aftermarket parts you can think of. Just have to pay that Harley tax if you want anything with an HD badge on it. :)

[@xchalibur77]

Loved those huge engines on the Victory engines. Such a shame they have not survived. But if I am very enclined for my next bike to be an Indian. Their engines are the most beautiful on this planet.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Hey there. Which Indian engine is your favorite? The Powerplus platform or the Thunderstroke platform?

[@xchalibur77]

@@chasingredlineofficial Yep that's the one.

[@xchalibur77]

@@chasingredlineofficial sorry I was half asleep The Thunderstroke.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

​@@xchalibur77 Roger that! I keep wondering if they will lean one direction or the other long term. Or, if they will continue both lines.

[@roshawnmiddletonjr.]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@scottlandmcc]

Let's hope they get their heads out of their asses and look towards the future vs their pocketbooks! They have a small chance here and I think it would change a lot of minds.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

The motorcycle game is a long game. Especially when your marketing is "America's First Motorcycle Company". Folks have long memories. Thanks for the comment. The time is now!

[@paullacey2999]

Ive got a far out idea,Bring Victory back as an ev brand to compete with the HD Livewire,and also let them build radical stuff like Buell did.That way you have a sportier brand and a traditional cruiser brand.Youre welcome,Polaris,send me a wad of cash for helping out😉

[@chasingredlineofficial]

I could see that. With Buell trying to make a comeback, Victory could have totally turned into an Amercian Performance naked bike, sports bike, Adventure bike, EV bike brand. Really so many directions you could go because Victory had no strings. I hope they send you that wad of cash! :)

[@LamonsterGarage]

I owned a 2017 Magnum X1 and a 2017 Octane. A month later Victory shut their doors. I was pissed and had to make the call to keep these bikes or sell them while I still could. I took a hit on both of them. Victory built some of the best looking bikes on the market but the resale is pretty bad. I guess that can be considered a good thing if you're looking to buy a used Vic. Right now I own an Indian Pursuit and I love it. No hard feelings against Polaris, they did what they had to do. I hope one day I'll see an Indian that looks as good as my X1 did. I totally agree with this video but I don't see the dealer support happening unfortunately.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks for jumping into the conversation! Man, having a Magnum and Octane both in the same garage represents some of the best that Victory produced. Definitely would have been a tough call to sell or keep given you had just got them. I don't blame you though. Glad you love your Pursuit. There is a lot to like about that bike. Be safe out there!

[@randylenart9674]

Still love my Harley to much

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Nothing wrong with that at all! While I tease Harley here, the video really highlights what Harley is doing right. Thanks for watching!

[@jamesmcd71]

I have owned HD Fat Boy , Big Dog Mastiff, Screaming Eagle VRod and a Victory Hammer S. I'm can say without a doubt the Hammer S was the best one of a very expensive collection of bikes. It was less expensive to buy and owne, it was the most comfortable and got more attention than anything I have owned. The Mastiff was the most fun to play with but it was punishing to ride. The VRod was scary fast but spent more time in the shop than on the road. My Fat body was a wonderful bike. But like all HD it was also a money pit. I put 78 thousand miles on my Hammer between 08 and 2012 and nothing ever went wrong with it. I am looking for a 08 maroon Hammer so if you have one and want to let it go please contact me.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Great comparison James! Maybe someone here has the Hammer of your dreams. Hope you find it!

[@darrinsmith1868]

Great video 👍 Have 2 Victory's. They will be my last bikes. Nothing else compares to them.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Thanks man! Which models do ya have?

[@darrinsmith1868]

@@chasingredlineofficial 2013 Hammer 8 Ball and 2016 Magnum

[@chasingredlineofficial]

@@darrinsmith1868 Perfect combo! You can just go out in the garage and stare at the eye candy.

[@noobish2654]

Shared

[@Prairie_Barbarian]

I don't see it happening for the same reasons all Harley dealerships won't work on any of their bikes that are 10-15 years old. It's not financially feasible to support a dead brand/discontinued product at that scale. Polaris offering support thru 2027 isn't a terrible deal, the customers weren't completely thrown to the wolves like in other cases when companies go under. Coming from a guy who rides a 90's Dyna, your best bet for support is the Indy shops on this one.

[@juliancrooks3031]

We need to raise money to buy victory from Polaris and start making parts for ones on road and start building new bikes.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

See that is the thing. I'm not sure they would be willing to sell the brand and patents. Especially considering how much of that rolled into Indian. Selling Victory might be seen as a risk? Another competitor? Love the idea though. Curious what you think.

[@jeffpalmer5502]

Pretty sure a lot of these pursuit parts fit on my victory, well I got 90 K on my 2013 and I am still riding.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

90k is a good time! Rock on!

[@chiefjoseph8154]

I just purchased a Polaris Challenger. Indian is just a decal.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

Hope you love it man! One hell of a bike I hear. Hoping to ride one very soon and get a review in of it.

[@kevinmccorkle7476]

I almost bought a Victory, but didn't because this was right when they decided to stop production. The parts availability was the main factor in not getting a Cross Country. My 2004 Roadstar now has 89k miles on it, and parts are getting scarce. Damn shane that you can't buy any non computerized full size bike anymore.

[@chasingredlineofficial]

It is a definitely a shame that these bikes are not experienced by many due to the fear of parts and serviceability. I find that there is definitely an appeal to not having infotainment on these bikes. When you really look, there isn't much value in modern baggers today outside of built in infotainment and navigation. To me, that isn't worth the price tag now-a-days. I'd rather just keep riding the bike I have which fits me like a glove. Safe riding!