MiSTer FPGA Groovy MiSTer MAME Review and Setup Guide! MAME on MiSTer FPGA? In a Way Yes

[@nickiebanchou]

Shane Lynch is showing progress on twitter of a way to run basically ANYTHING from your PC to Groovy ... the hype is real!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Makes total sense. If you can send a signal you can make it work. Going to be a fully featured analog GPU soon

[@nickiebanchou]

@@VideoGameEsoterica yeah, been looking for a practical way to output RGB (composite is easy...S-video is doable... but actual proper RGB omg ) from a real PC, the dream is finally about to come true!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s happening! It was crystal clear RGBS

[@soloM81]

does shane have a github page to follow?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes just google “groovy mister GitHub”

[@theblowupdollsmusic]

This project looks so cool. Thank you for taking the time to put this great tutorial together. I remember reading somewhere that it also supports retro arch. I wonder if we could use this and final burn neo with runahead mode. Video latency may be low, but controller latency may still have a few frames with out runahead. Mame also has a low latency option to remove 1 frame in the settings now. That might be all thats needed.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Just get a good wired controller. Much better than run ahead IMO :) there’s charts out there for controller latency

[@Wobble2007]

Run ahead just feels so weird to someone used to 0ms latency CRTs and OG hardware & FPGA, it can also be inconsistent/jittery, not to mention the weird audio timing that completly butchers sound quality, I know it's recommended to disable audio with run ahead, but that's 50% of the reason why I love retro games, that is the FM-Synth et cetera, Run Ahead is great for those that need it though and aren't fussed about accuracy and audio, but they really need to get some of these incredible software emulators into x86 bare metal cores imo, this would get rid of the minimum 30-60ms latency Windows OS has. Direct storage may also really make a difference, especially with emulators like Dolphin that use heavy texture caches, "Ubershaders" with direct storage could be a game changer, being ale to run the X86 emulation code directly between the GPU rendering pipeline and the SSD should help with latency massively, combine that with a good 1000Hz+ gamepad or kb&m, and Windows emulation will be low latency enough to make it worth while hooking up to a CRT for PS2/GC/Xbox/etc emulation. I don't think it will be anywhere near the 0ms of the CRT, that will take much better optimization of the DirectX API by MS, they need to finally make a game mode to bring the latency of Windows OS overheads down with when running games, Steam OS can be as low as 10-15ms (still not great), but much better than Windows 10/11 25-30ms (as high as 60ms) frame-times/latency , Directstorage is a good first step, now they just need a game mode in Windows that puts it in a full-screen optimized mode that disables or even boots the PC/DirectX API into an exclusive game mode separate from the standard Windows desktop, we may get back to the extremely low latency days of DOS and Windows 98se/2000, even XP had low latency when playing games prior to service pack 3.

[@theblowupdollsmusic]

@@Wobble2007 I find if you keep it at 2. It's quite smooth. Even 1 is helpful. Anything more and you are right it gets strange.

[@lsdowdle]

Since it is so easy to mess up with ~10+ copy and pastes... in future similiar circumstances I recommend highlighting everything on the web page and pasting them into notepad (or your preferred text editor) and then using it to clean it up, making it a single line which is one copy and paste. Much less error prone and you can see what you are working on a little more easily. Thanks for a fantastic video!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

True. You can use notepad and just line it all up and copy once. I just wanted to get across that the syntax really mattered in the command line arguments

[@DecoyBacon]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I went the .bat file route. Just pasted it all in one line and saved as .bat, put shortcut to it on desktop, done. Never even had to mess with the actual mame shortcut. Alot easier to fix if you somehow get it wrong too.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I just thought about the easiest way everyone could do it and copy and paste into a shortcut felt like a skill everyone would know. It’s a hard judgement call sometimes as to “what does EVERYONE know” and I came down on the side of “ok right clicking, making a shortcut and copy and pasting seem like it’ll see success”

[@Cookiedon15]

6:21 so when I create a shortcut and try to copy everything in the properties - target, I am limited to the the number of characters I can input. I noticed you have quotations around the initial target path whereas mine does not. I looked up how to expand the character limit but what I find is that I have to create a batch file... this is where I am stuck

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Go to the project GitHub. There is a batch file there now

[@Cookiedon15]

@@VideoGameEsoterica thank you

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

👍

[@crteaser9726]

@@VideoGameEsoterica having the same issue what exactly do you mean?

[@MagisterHamid]

I got this up and running! I can’t get the sound out of my monitor though. Are there settings for that?

[@adamdavis6958]

FINALLY A HOW TO for Groovy MiSTer!!!!! Thank you so much!! 🙏🏼🤩🙌🏼

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Happy to do it. Just took a minute to get done

[@SiincereARC]

This feature is a game changer. It's pretty much the ultimate way of playing CPS3, PGM and the best Arcade Schmups without worrying about Tate mode. I also started an arcade racer build using the G29 Steering Wheel and pedal, so I might be more reliant on that instead of waiting for cores to be made. The Downside is extra things being powered on (extra computer, extra computer monitor, an ethernet switch although a passive switch might be perfectly fine).

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes the “where do I leave this set up” factor is big in this one

[@SiincereARC]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I lucked out where I have the space but realistically I need my direct video from laser bear to work because that was my best option for a simple setup. Eventually they need a more dummy-proof/console style GUI or front end

[@SiincereARC]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I might too much of a github noob but had it not been for Lu's video explaining the setup (obviously prior to this video you just uploaded) I would have been completely lost on how to do this. The guide that exists on Github is not well written for people who aren't already well versed in that process.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

My Ethernet is in a diff part of the house so for me I’d need a cable across the hallway 🤣

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yea a lot of times GitHub directions are predicated on knowing “how to do things” so I try and plain language teach them :)

[@djkdrums88]

Followed the instructions from this video, and then the ones from the Mistercast video.. worked great!! Excellent tutorial. I even watched some old movies cast in 4:3 in 360p to my CRT. However about a week later, the screensaver that normally appears in Groovy when you open the core stopped appearing. Nothing in Groovy plays or works except that I can still open the OSD. This seems to have happened suddenly for no rhyme or reason.. if anybody happens to have any guesses as to the fix your advice is much appreciated!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Glad it worked :) that’s all I ever care about

[@cantinhoretro]

Just copy and paste the following arguments after the "mame.exe" (don't forget to add a space). video mister -aspect 4:3 -switchres -monitor arcade_15 -mister_window -mister_ip "x.x.x.x" -mister_compression lz4 -skip_gameinfo -syncrefresh -nothrottle -joystickprovider mister

[@philexile2954]

It would be interesting to see two Misters head to head: one running an arcade core native to Mister, and the other running Groovy Mister rom on Mame to more definitively test latency.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha dear god the wiring job on that 🤣 but I do have all the equipment to do it

[@philexile2954]

@@VideoGameEsoterica do it! ☺️

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha maybe

[@jdeluxe1528]

Groovy_MiSTer is ending up being a sleeper hit, its pretty amazing to see someone randomly drop something this clever.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s the great part about FPGA chips; it’s just a tool box like Lego. Sure MiSTer is being used for gaming but it’s at heart a general purpose development environment so it can be so much mor e

[@simon41978]

I use something similar on my arcade cab. I have an Arcade VGA installed in a PC which can get close enough to the desired resolutions (392 x 240 for CPS1/2/3) and it can do 320 x 240, 256 x 240 and many others. The company ULTIMARC made a Jamma adaptor too.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes some hardware does exist out there to make the process doable via the PC alone. It’s pretty specialized / a lot of people keep old PCs around. So getting a modern solution is great too :)

[@originalbadboy32]

@@donvanvilet8466 Its software emulation though which adds latency compared to FPGA emulation, so yes better than a PC from that point of view, but still not as good as actual hardware emulation.

[@simon41978]

@@originalbadboy32 I agree but I had this set-up since maybe 2005 when MISTer probably hadn't even been conceived.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I mean a good MAME implementation stands up against FPGA. Can’t discount MAME

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes a lot of these old hardware builds existed long before MiSTer or FPGA (for these purposes) existed

[@LamerDeluxe]

Well done on the tutorial! It seems more daunting only reading the manual. Initially it was said to use a direct ethernet connection between the MiSTer and your PC, I was surprised that it worked fine on my network. Amazing how this core was made by someone doing it as a first core creation learning experience.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I tested direct and network and if you are into the same router it’s getting the same result. Since I know 99% of people are going to have familiarity with using a router I showed that method

[@PrincessAmber]

For some reason, when I replace the MiSTer binary with the GroovyMiSTer one, the system never starts up. I can FTP and SSH into it, but MiSTer itself never starts and I never get any picture on either display. I know it's the binary because if I replace it with the old MiSTer file it starts up again. :/

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Hmm. That is very odd. Try deleting the binary and adding again. May be a copy issue

[@seecon3806]

Did you figure it out? I am having the same issue. I tried running update_all again, and redownloading the mister file from github and loading it on the mister again.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

What OS?

[@Vvewa]

I got the same thing, except putting my original binary back im still not getting any video, vga or hdmi. I got crtemudriver going easy as well...

[@Vvewa]

edit its like theres no sync on my crt, snow with the scrolling menu really fast and still no hdmi output, I tried getting a fresh mister ini from the main github to start again and even turning composite sync on. Basically bricked my mister from this

[@nbacX85]

I am not getting to the point, where the screensaver thing is bouncing on my PWM... any help?

[@masonmcderp2485]

Would I see any difference doing this vs just using groovy mame on my pc? The PC is using VGA to my CRT arcade monitor. I've had the resolution switching working for a while now.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No functional difference no

[@lizardking3268]

I can’t get this to work. When I load up groovy mister it’s just a blank screen. I have retried the process several times. I’m wondering if there’s an issue with groovy mister right now.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll ask around. Should be working

[@lizardking3268]

@ thanks man! Just got my mister pi. Your tutorials are a godsend!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Glad they are helping!

[@adamdavis6958]

Any of you folks know of a way to force a game to display in 240p if it’s 480i through GroovyMiSTer? I can do it through GroovyMame by setting an individual .ini file notating resolution @2560x240@60hz but this doesn’t work in GroovyMiSTer …. Trying to get NARC to play well but I think 480i is tweaking out the video output 🥴

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not that I’m aware of yet

[@Cenon2_]

Thanks for the indepth tutorial. Btw its faster and less prone to error to just copy the full path from shortcut properties and add the command line arguments to notepad, then copy the whole modified path back.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I almost showed it that was but figured adding a program into the middle might present some other issue :)

[@Hawk_Eye_Retro]

Thank you for making this! I'm very excited to give it a try at some point.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Happy to do it. Complex video but it was fun

[@webmaster1242]

Which version of Mame is Groovy based on? and there is no mortal kombat 1 in mame? therefore it is limited?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

This was .261

[@axelkusanagi4139]

So wait, can I have my main mister config be the one I use for FPGA gaming and this be one of the alternative configs?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Should work fine yeah

[@Netinterspace]

Thank you for the reply (and video). It's good to know it can be connected directly too, let us know how the switch experiment goes!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes I’ll have the switch early next week

[@johnsundberg7697]

This is awesome! Love this project.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I didn’t expect anything like it but it is super impressive. It just works. Once you get it set up

[@drumlesstrance]

Wow, I spent the whole of yesterday reading forum threads and preparing for the extreme headache of setting up dual-GPU CRTEmudriver on Win 11 from my main desktop… thankfully I hadn’t ordered that old AMD GPU yet! This looks so so promising!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s extremely promising and still getting even better

[@Pixelhorizon]

Finally got it to work! Much appreciated 🙏

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Glad you got it working :)

[@Pixelhorizon]

@@VideoGameEsoterica already having a lot of fun with it. Thx once again 👍

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Happy to do it. I’ll update as more features get added

[@0511224]

Have you managed to get the retroarch test build running? And if so will there be a video?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll do a vid in the future. Haven’t tried running it yet

[@0511224]

@@VideoGameEsoterica ive tried unsuccessfully. Couldn't seem to find much information about compiling it online

[@ScandalUK]

It’s a good idea - CRT output is convenient on the MiSTer

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s a super fun and interesting use case

[@MagisterHamid]

This groovy mister is excellent! Keep this groovy mister content coming!!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I may do more on it. There’s other apps that can pass video through. Mednafen and RetroArch (some of RetroArch apparently)

[@MagisterHamid]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I’m not so deep into this emulation department. How far does these arcade emulation go? Up until Sega Naomi? Currently you can only run specific emulators that are compatible with Groovy right?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

After NAOMI you get to arcade platforms that are either consoles in a box (Python 2/Triforce/Chihiro) and after that PCs in a box. So the PC in a box stuff mostly runs on a standard PC with a few hacks. It isn’t so much “emulation” as it is “running software on non-target hardware”

[@lalalaLaFlex]

So I can play on my CRT with Retroachievements through Retroarch now?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Pretty much. Some cores may not work. It’s still in active development

[@koomar341]

Holy smokes!!! This is GENIUS!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s a really fun way to use MiSTer in a method you’d never expect

[@LordBarko]

The Groovy.rbf doesn't show a bouncing image for me, just a black screen. I can F12 into the Groovy menu but can't get my PC to push to MiSTer. I've followed all steps exactly three times from fresh. Any ideas?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Hmm that’s odd. You have the new “MiSTer” main file yes? Sounds like an issue where you don’t have it.

[@LordBarko]

@@VideoGameEsoterica yup. Saved the old one as mister.bak.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Hmm. I’ll have to ask around. That’s one I haven’t heard of anyone experiencing. Maybe delete the core and copy it back just to be sure?

[@LordBarko]

@VideoGameEsoterica thanks mate going to give it another shot now. Seems odd that the menu on the Groovy.rbf opens fine but the bouncing image isn't present. Oddly I had the same issue a month or two ago with Wakas latency tool, refused to give me an image. Weird as everything else works perfectly and always has.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yeah I asked around. Nobody has seen that. So I sadly can’t offer any suggestions other than recopy core / try a new sd card with a new base install

[@Scott-vv9it]

I just got it set up thanks to your video! Is there any way to reduce the vertical overscan on the mame end?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

You’d have to do that on the service menu of the tv for now

[@Scott-vv9it]

@@VideoGameEsoterica hmm.. I'm having a weird issue where groovymister is cropping quite a lot of the picture off of the bottom, but nothing else I display on that screen does that, not even other mister cores. I think maybemy TV doesn't know how to display that signal. It's a later sony CRT, it's possible it does some sort of processing.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It could just need service menu adjustments would be my guess

[@efegoku80]

I haven’t had the time to test it :) but this is amazing and could be the best solution for PC to CRT, if someone ports the core to a cheaper dedicated FPGA board and makes a driver for a “virtual” GPU. Thank you for the video!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s def going to take the top spot I bet for PC to CRT

[@Deltax5]

can you just play it off the harddrive? Like the other cores?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No reason that shouldn’t work

[@Deltax5]

@@VideoGameEsoterica ok i will try it out. Hopfully i get it running. expect a beta at most. Wonder if they can get noime emulator working. Not like it's a fpga core. Wonder if they can implement fpga elements to make it a better experience.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s probably going to be updated next week I bet

[@patjohnny57]

Excellent tutorial. Are you able to scale the analog signal using a retrotink 4k or use direct video into the retrotink 4k with this? Thanks.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Tink isn’t in the component chain. It’s video signal from a computer sent over the network to MiSTer

[@jasuko]

I think that the question @patjohnny57 asked is if the RetroTINK _could_ be in the component chain. This would allow using all the scalers and filters of the RetroTINK, and maybe even still benefit from lower latency than the PCʼs GPU output when using a FPD?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Ooh I see. Good question

[@adamdavis6958]

Do you have any idea if this works with older versions of GroovyMame? I have an older rom set and don’t want to have to download new if I don’t have to 🥴

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Should work yes

[@coderkind]

Do you need to be running your MiSTer with RGBs? I'm using mine via YPbPr usually.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No. That’s just what I’m using here. It will output whatever analog signal you want

[@victorhasselblad311]

Hi. A good tutorial. Does the Groovy project mean that in the future “on Mister” you can still play CRT on PS2 and Dreamcast (even without SNAC and a slight delay)?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Maybe. People are working on gen purpose video streaming to MiSTer. Might that means any emulator you want passed to CRT? Perhaps. It’s literally being worked on now so we have to wait and see :)

[@victorhasselblad311]

@@VideoGameEsoterica In the end, you will have to show us something when "those guys" finish the Saturn and N64))

[@igorbuenocorrea2615]

Hey, what brand/model is that lcd monitor you use in this video? Is it good?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It was sent to me for review. I’ll have a video soon. It’s quite good. I’ve been putting it through it’s paces for the review

[@igorbuenocorrea2615]

@@VideoGameEsoterica good to know! I'll be waiting for the review!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Should be late next week

[@SmoMo_]

Nice video, thanks for making it. Do you know if this is always locked to 15khz or can it also do the similar but slightly different frequencies for Taito F3, Mortal Kombat etc..

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I have to do more research but 15khz is resolution, not frame rate. 15/24/31kHz are standard, medium and vga res. You can send whatever framerate through them that you want basically

[@gcolombelli]

​@@VideoGameEsoterica A while ago I decided to test how my TVs and monitors would react to some arcade cores with weird timings and vsync_adjust set to 1 or 2... R-Type, Qbert, Moon Patrol, Spelunker, S.O.S., Poly-Play, The Tower of Druaga, Breakout, Space Invaders were a few of the ones I've tried. Not sure what else could be good candidates, maybe try searching for "mister core default resolutions" or use arcadedb.

[@arbbo1675]

Which MAME ROM set is best ?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Just use current

[@PixelCherryNinja]

Banging video!😮

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

One of the more complicated ones

[@rodribyte4255]

I have seen many games in mame with different latencies, I wonder if that is replicated with groovy Mister. MK2 is one of them, but I don't know if that happens because it runs at 53hz.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

All groovy MAME is doing really is sending the signal MAME is generating to the CRT. So I’m sure some signals will be too far out of line for a CRT

[@trev1976]

Thanks for this , ive built around 4 groovymame PC's now but its a lot of messing around. Would be nice to just plug a powerful windows 11 PC into this and have everything running nicely. Hopefully soon it can be used for fightcade and all emulation.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d love to see a fightcade instance

[@antivanti]

I hope there will eventually be a window/screen capture version as well so you could send any game, video or other application to a CRT via this

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I bet you will see continued development on this

[@antivanti]

@@donvanvilet8466 The point would be to get picture on a CRT TV at all without using either a hacked ancient AMD video card, a crappy HDMI-Composite converter or something like an Extron VSC video scaler. Now I have one of those but it that's also old tech that's difficult to find. And you can't get 240p output with the Extron or the composite adapters.

[@antivanti]

@@donvanvilet8466 Composite not good for anything really, which is exactly my point. If I want to play something like Shovel Knight on a CRT at 240p then there is basically no obtainable option. Maybe a Retrotink 5x paired with an HDMI-VGA adapter and a VGA-SCART sync adapter. Having a way to just output via the MiSTer would be easier. Especially if there were good crop/scale options on the PC side. I believe there might actually be a MAME core that does Window capture and with some development it could fit the bill. A separate app would be better tho

[@dinierto]

Shane Lynch is working on just such a thing

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I saw. I was chatting with about it

[@HyperSF2]

Usual top notch explanation. Does seem a lot to go though just to get some games not on Mister. Wonder if this would work for something like flycast in 15kz for dreamcast games?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Flycast isn’t working yet but they are working on it. It’s an involved setup process but once you are done it’s done and never needs to be redone

[@snooks5607]

it'd be simpler if there was a .bat with all the arguments downloadable in github along with the exe but still I think creating a .bat in notepad is simpler than copy-pasting the command-line to a shortcut one argument at a time

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m sure someone will improve the process in the future. This is still all WIP

[@MrBroken030]

12:28 Would be nice if there would be more arcade to Playstation conversion like with Tetris the Grandmaster Challenge.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes there’s a solid PS1 arcade library that never came home

[@ezgoodnight]

In the Doom Source port world a lot of folks use BAT files for running EXEs with lots of arguments. I use a launcher, and I know there are a lot of launchers for MAME. I wonder if there is one that is suited to this use case. I just know putting arguments in shortcuts annoys me... I prefer putting it in a text file or an arguments list in a launcher.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes it’s a bit cumbersome but it works. I’m sure it’ll get improved upon later

[@ezgoodnight]

@@VideoGameEsoterica it's the nature of OSS projects that they iterate quickly. I'm sure you're right.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes this is a review but it’s a review of an in development project. Good thing is it’s already this good and it’s not done

[@superhadouken]

Ir would be cool if you explain the same but with retroarch

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I may in the future :)

[@sega_kid4288]

Broken Wings - Mr. Mister? If so bravo sir 👏🏽

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not everyone finds that Easter egg :)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yep backmasked

[@MrBroken030]

11:04 Thats exactly the game i would have tried first on this groovy mister setup!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s the number 1 arcade game I want to see get a MiSTer core

[@MrBroken030]

@@VideoGameEsoterica For me its Street Fighter 3 third strike im wishing for the most. Another thing im wishing for is light gun support for the saturn core so i can experience Policenauts on Saturn for the first time with mouse and gun like Kojima intended :D

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Jotego is working on CPS 3. I’m sure light gun support will come to Saturn eventually too

[@MagisterHamid]

It’s one of the best beatem ups ever

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

And the best soundtrack ever IMO

[@amerigocosta7452]

Reading the title I assumed some madman had compiled MAME to the DE-10 Nano architecture for the sake of it! Wouldn't be something? If I get the gist of this project, it is about reprogramming the Mister to act as a downscaler..over network? Interesting to say the least but a bit convoluted.. (Edit: I understand this is super clever and actually skips a lot of processing a PC graphics card would do so lag is very low.. Very impressive and a testament to the versatility of the Mister, I just like things to be as streamlined as possible..)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha I bet that happens one day. Yes it’s a networked gpu

[@amiga_vision]

Yes, you can compile things like MAME and ScummVM on the DE-10 Nano directly - but it’s a very slow (700MHz?) ARM CPU, so that won’t do you much good for emulation. The reason this project is exciting is that it skips all the complexity of making modern graphics cards output something that is compatible with CRTs (it’s a mess, trust me), and replaces that whole ordeal with just MAME running on a modern PC/Mac with good performance, and then MiSTer can handle the analog output 😊

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Modern GPUs and 240p is an absolute mess

[@dorfus]

Hold up I thought MAME stood for “Maple Addicts Must Exit”

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No that’s the sign your wife put over your house door

[@TheMikeyb86]

AxTuAlLy It StANdS fOr... *thinks deeply*... No, you're right.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Multiple Actual Maple Enigmas

[@elphive42]

So, you can’t use Dreamcast controllers with it?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha it’s funny it’s MAPLE on NAOMI / DC

[@rahndail3863]

Oshit this is big. Cave games that don't have cores yet, here we come!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The ones MAME hasn’t removed cause someone decided to hassle them 😫

[@rahndail3863]

​@@VideoGameEsoterica Dang, I wasn't aware of this! Which games did the stop support for?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d have to check. ExA Arcade stuff

[@METR0lD]

Groovy! 🪱

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

5 VGE points awarded for Earthworm Jim joke

[@keilmillerjr9701]

But why? You can use groovymame with an older, cheap and common AMD GPU or APU. You are adding a very expensive cost and complication for no reason.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Because you can. That’s always reason enough

[@systemshocker2875]

Hang on, isnt this what MARS FPGA is gonna do? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No. I think you have that wrong

[@soloM81]

this video should make the extreme software emulation fanboys happy they are upset with anybody not talking about Groovy MiSTer they think its some type of conspiracy lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha no conspiracy. Just takes a lot of effort to make videos like this. Two TVs, an extra monitor, two Ethernet cables, mess of video cables, power for it all, etc

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Wow no you are right. Big MiSTer sends me truck loads of cash. I’m Scrooge McDuck with a money bin over here 🤣

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m sure you’ll love it! (This is how long it took to teach it so people can understand it. And 8 minutes is mid roll add territory. Not 13)

[@gonzalo1972]

10:47 The audio is NOT sent thru ethernet

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s part of the test builds feature as notated on their GitHub

[@gonzalo1972]

@@VideoGameEsoterica my bad, you are right! Sound is there when the option is turned ON in the menu (default is OFF, cause it doesnt work that good yet)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes it’s WIP still. But really the video is what you really want sent over IMO as most people will be very close to their PC while using this I’d assume

[@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace]

Wait…what? Edit: oh wait. It’s not a core. Just a passthrough for an emulator. Cool I guess.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes it’s basically a GPU in FPGA that can accept and process signals over a network. So a networked gpu

[@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace]

@@VideoGameEsoterica actually I never thought about how brilliant this was until now. I wonder if one could also make a “core” to do the opposite. Converting composite into HDMI like a RetroTink.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Ooh interesting. Not sure

[@originalbadboy32]

Kinda missing the point of FPGA in the first place, by using software emulation. But I can see why some might want it.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s just a fun new thing to do with MiSTer. The more the merrier

[@dinierto]

I'd say it's the opposite, you can play games via software emulation (and beyond) that MiSTer wouldn't normally support, but with all the low latency benefit of bypassing the computer's GPU and frame buffering

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s def an exciting feature

[@cheater00]

NO! i'm DONE doing you favors!!! mwahahahahahaaaaa

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤣

[@-valkyrie-00]

do your laundry

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s done, not folded

[@jasonhowe1697]

you know vga on thye tv ever since hdmi 1.2/1.3 was the hdmi standard of the time the downside to the vga input was the audio inputwas confined to a 3.5mm stereo jack from a pc perspective we've upto 1080 p over vga for over 8 years basing this on pure capture and streaming principle you are looking hdmi as the preference as the capture medium if you wan a pure rgb medium you are looking to s-video, component or scart/jp21 from a vga pc perspective you had anything from 320x200=1280x720 pending on the capacity of the monitor and gpu at the time could handle without lag and slow down in terms of a crt tv unless you have access to high dot matrix trinatron type screens you are barking on the stupid pile of idiots cause you are chasing a perfection that had a life span of 2-4 yyears once lcd panels became a standard option in the home it superceded crt by a factor of 100-1 in video quality

[@zombiekilldemon]

Can you use a light gun like the Gcon2 with MAME using this method?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No. This is receiving the signal. There isn’t two way communication. So if you plugged the GunCon into the computer and aimed at the tv…it’s just aiming off screen