Viewer Request - Miranda 2.0 VS Klingon Vor'Cha - Star Trek Starship Battles

[@shadesofslay]

I don't know what it is, but I just really love these battles. Gets me wishing for a modern day, truly premium, epic looking AAA Star Trek space battles game. Imagine it with today's graphics.

[@alexslgato1735]

Agreed, except on the "truly premium". Premium implies it is reserved for a limited group.

[@shadesofslay]

@@alexslgato1735 I mean premium more as in high quality product, not Ferrari style “only the chosen few can own this” 😂 hopefully that makes more sense!

[@hellolemmings11]

Would get paywalled, loot boxed into oblivion. Glad to see the mod community is still so strong.

[@chriscooper3471]

I love the way the computer uses Romulan tactics when controlling a Klingon ship. Constant cloaking, they have no honour, haha. Great battle though.

[@leeforeman3656]

The Neghvar ion cannon was a super weapon in the old Star Trek armada games. Not seen on screen trek.

[@brutalchicken]

The Miranda with the Galaxy style nacelles is funky to look at, at first. But it's lovely

[@Dan__S]

Man...I'm loving the look of that Miranda

[@flyboymb]

"I need to watch out for those photon torpedoes from the Miranda" *Focuses fire on impulse engines*

[@Euripides_Panz]

He's clearly having more fun trying to make the AI Miranda spin out of control like it made his.

[@deepdivedylan]

3:18 they were trying to fix the cloaking device. That was the Klingons switching it off and switching it on again.

[@stevelapierre4776]

🤔😂

[@aerontudor6542]

Lol!!

[@argonunya1543]

From watching the shows I always got the impression that the Vor’Cha was at least as heavily armed as the E-D. It even gave the Defiant a run for its money in at least one episode. In the tng/ds9 era, that ship class was as tough as ships from that time come.

[@stevelapierre4776]

😲I love the Miranda 2.0 and always have, this one was capable gosh.. great tactics Admiral.. When the Klingons cloaked, I kept hearing Chang saying '' Can you see me'' huh yes the smoke trail. lol. just saying.. that was close wow.. Yes I would say both well balanced and even match.. gosh. this was a battle.. nicely done Admiral..!!!😊🖖

[@astrogeek1230]

That 1st battle was great! It had a little Wrath of Khan vibe to it.

[@PhoenixBird9000]

When he said the forward torpedoes were gone, I could hear Khan shouting, "Aft torpedoes! FIRE!" 😄

[@BoopdaBeep]

I love how the old-style phasers were exactly just what you needed to finish off the first battle! Impeccable! Also, we saw the same ion cannon/ disruptor blast on the Vor'cha in canon, on TNG. It was when the Klingon civil war first broke out and Gowron's ship was ambushed by the Duras' ships. On the show, the blast was powerful enough to destroy a bird-of-prey when its shields were down.

[@dennisziniel185]

I love these videos. So much fun. Great balance on this one. Ok, request time. I would love to see Regent Worf's Super Negh'var versus the Dominion's Dreadnought. A battle of giants of roughly equal technology levels should be fun.

[@AllknowingUnknown]

I always felt that without peer equals the mirror klingon tech would be well behind their prime universe counterpart. Especially with the feds and rommies always competing with the klingys for top spot 🤔

[@dennisziniel185]

@@AllknowingUnknown There were peer equals though. The Terran slaves stated they were thinking about seeking out help from the Romulans, so the Romulans were clearly a power that some thought could stand up to the Klingon-Cardassian alliance. In addition, the sheer size of the ship inidicates a certain level of sophistication. It isn't easy building such giants.

[@AllknowingUnknown]

@@dennisziniel185 Fair point! I suppose (especially in trek) that size does matter. Given the power plant you could stuff into a ship of that size. 👊😎

[@davidread83]

I had the Vor’cha toy growing up! Gave it to Goodwill just a few years ago,

[@Euripides_Panz]

I didn't have the toy, but the 15" model was a fun build. Before that, I didn't know the Vor'cha had "disruptor blocks."

[@waynebanks2948]

I have watch SOO many of your battles. I finally decided to download remastered to try it our for myself. Flying around as the delta flyer, or being part of a Borg armada against DS9 (we still lost) was pretty cool. But. After playing maybe 100 battles, what I've realised it... I prefer watching you play. Thanks

[@Matthew-is7zs]

I feel with ships like the Miranda and Vor'Cha class they do best when paired as escorts for larger ships

[@martinbuhlmeier3138]

The Design is very top of the Miranda - Class 2.0 !!! IT is a very funny Video been!!! The Battle is very good been!!!🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖.

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks 🖖

[@martinbuhlmeier3138]

@@RetroBadgerGaming A " Bitteschön" from Germany to back!!! See you Videos very much!!! 🖖🖖🖖.

[@Forge17]

The vorcha is one of those ships where you want to unleash forward weapons all at once, then pivot immediately to other shield sides to avoid them draining your forward shield/taking out weapons.

[@fedricojgarza464]

Close match 😮🎉

[@alanbaker2347]

That was Seriously Amazing the Miranda 2.0 looks really cool with the TNG warp nacelles & the Vor'Cha class Attack Cruiser is my favourite Klingon ship

[@Fetzenkrieger]

I've watched a lot of your videos recently and if I remember correctly, this is actually the first time any ship has won after and in spite of its impulse engines having been disabled. These warp nacelles are insanely large for a Miranda-sized ship. I'm wondering if it could swim on them as if they could double act as pontoons ? Like when in need of some Deuterium just land on some ocean and suck it right through the warp engines. Or just in case the soil you landed on suddenly turns into silver liquid...

[@Euripides_Panz]

The nacelle mass in "normal" gravity would overcome the buoyancy and sink. Galaxy nacelles were a third of its mass. I made a plastic model work as a boat by installing and rerouting a CO² cartridge and inverting the Stardrive. The Saucer handled larger waves much better.

[@dallas82288cowboys]

How about the Miranda 2.5 versus the Connie refit refit

[@XHunter442]

Ty for the video and LLAP Vor'cha - Qapla'

[@TrentonBennett]

I really dig this Miranda 2.0. I agree it is cool to see the combination of old and new tech. So each way is dueable just depends on the human factor for each way.

[@warwolf88]

the Miranda with tng nacelles kicks ass 😊❤

[@TheThewulasvegas]

Another great battle!!

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks 🖖

[@MisterMarin]

You know, if you had Scotty aboard, he could've Jerry-rigged Miranda's warp engines to act as makeshift impulse engines, albeit very crudely. 🙂

[@TomMentch]

The deflector strips you see on the edge in blue was a deflector dish as well

[@TomMentch]

Not to mention the g is silent in the name for the Klingon ship

[@anonymous.nobody]

The Miranda 2.0 with the Galaxy nacelles, with a little engineering looks like it would be able to land on a planet.

[@YvanHeroux]

Damn good thing that this version wasn't in service in wrath of Khan! The constitution would have been destroyed big time especially since they caught the Enterpise in a surpise attack

[@davidmardlin9733]

Vorcha had the edge by a tiny margin

[@mikes1542]

I love your videos.

[@jon-580]

The successor to the Miranda is the Nebula... this ship looks awkward with the Galaxy style nacelles hanging below it as they're just too chunky.

[@helios958]

Quite similar to an excelsior saucer

[@alanmike6883]

Of all the Klingon ships the vorcha is my favourite

[@stephandolby]

I like the look of that Miranda, but "refit 2"? Her saucer section is from an Excelsior-class so it's probably as close to an original Miranda as the Titan-A was to the Titan. :D

[@MAZE4]

What about two Romulan D'deridex class warbirds, against four Klingon Vorchas.

[@Rick79LUFC]

I used to have a Vor,cha model when I was in high school was a fantastic ship all klingon ships are built like tanks and can take a pounding I like to think of them as all rounders bit with attacking ideology at its core .....great as all ways RB😊

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

That's neat how you had a model of the Vor'cha, so cool! Thanks Buddy 😉

[@Rick79LUFC]

@RetroBadgerGaming the used to be a model shop in Worthing West Sussex they did every thing all the star trek ships star wars plans tanks lol I had a whole room of them by age 18 lol ...long gone now I'm 45 but great memories 😌

[@preppertrucker5736]

When I think of 24th century Miranda I class I think of Nebula class but good fantasy battle 🙏

[@foulerport1693]

I think another good matchup that might not have been done yet is the powerful Federation Galactica vs. the Reman scimitar. I'd love to see a battle between the two juggernauts.

[@tigerlilly4712]

The Vorcha's forward pod with the large disrupter is also detachable. I think it was supposed to be like the Nebula's pod. You could swap it out for various things

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

I never knew this! Thanks for the info 🖖

[@bastianr.4552]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@Renserin]

I think either of these battles would be worthy of song to the Klingons, since the worse the odds are, the better they like it. I'll have to re-watch the battle with the first Miranda refit to see which one I like better, though that one was closer to the Lady Bright's design.

[@Revkor]

wow. i expected the refit to move the Miranda back to a light cruiser but to actually beat a Vorcha. impressive. the only thign i would change is the old school phasers. have those be the first gen pulse phasers used on defiant.

[@JacquesLapeyre]

Okay theory time: what advantage does a deflector dish offer to a starship, that isn't crucial but is useful enough that you might want to upgrade a ship adding it to a spaceframe that didn't originally need it? They are called Navigational Deflectors, so they must have something to do with warp or navigation. I know they can generate complex and exotic particle beams, but how does that ability relate to the warp drive or navigational systems? Does it deflect debris while at high warp? Does that mean ships without must confine themselves to slower warp speeds?

[@chriselliottart]

You're correct about the deflection of debris. The generation of particle beams was an unintended benefit of the system that was discovered later on, but originally - canonically - it was just to prevent a grain of dust from blowing a hole through the ship as it traveled at warp. Shields alone wouldn't be able to handle the impact of even a small amount of matter hitting at superluminal velocity (as far as we see in the shows, half the time they can't even handle a torpedo or two). If I've understood the lore correctly (which is actually fairly scientific), the deflector generates an immense magnetic field as well as particle field which sweeps everything small out of the path of the ship, perhaps several thousand to million feet in front of the bow, and channels it around the sides. In some of the technical literature trying to retcon the lack of deflectors on certain older classes, the miranda is specifically called out as having a "hidden" deflector that sits right behind the hull at the front of the saucer. So theoretically, this refit just exposed the deflector, perhaps for greater efficiency at the expense of less protection in a battle? Obviously just them trying to retcon the lack of deflector from older ships back before the function was fully established, but still makes some sense, I guess.

[@leeforeman3656]

I think the deflector dish is mainly used to deflect space dust and small objects from hitting the ship. Most ships in Star Trek have them or an alternative system, such as a low-level forward shield emmiter.

[@dannolives]

Star trek 49: wrath of retrobadger

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

🤣🤣

[@chrisboek2346]

Miranda also has phaser cannon's

[@danielharman572]

What if the miranda 2 also had ablative hull armour similar to the defiant class.

[@robinvan1983]

was the blue circle underneath the weaponspod the deflector but just vertically?

[@martinjaser2725]

looks like a sto design

[@ryansaylor6043]

I like the saucer and roll bar but those nacelles look kind of goofy. It's like a 5 year old standing in adult sized shoes.

[@meszarosp]

It's an interesting design these Miranda 2s. I just don't see how they would be able to fit a warp core capable of feeding those TNG nacelles within the same Miranda structure.

[@jacobfoster9185]

When you're not playing as a demo for us do you warp away to save your crew when you've lost shields

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

You can warp away. You can also send a distress call in kobayashikaru. My favourite trick is to wait for help and then beam my crew onto my allies ship, which allows you to take command 🖖

[@neirdoandrew5344]

If I were the captain I would target the warpcore or singularity everytime and unload the most powerful weapons everytime like a tidal wave

[@angellight495]

Suggested video: Generations Galaxy with shields down vs a Bird of Prey? I’m still convinced that even without shields the Enterprise D could have destroyed the BOP.

[@Renserin]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4PJpqOQicmVrdk Is this what you meant?

[@UncommonKnowledge587]

Khan is looking at the Miranda 2.0 and wishing he had it, instead of the original Miranda 🖖

[@lasarith2]

I thought this was actually going to be the Reliant class the new version of the Miranda class .

[@jamesk9321]

I wish the phaser sounds were TMP era

[@poil8351]

so an ambassador class era version of the Miranda class.

[@GGTALKSPOD]

Hey have u ever done a podcast?

[@valor1omega]

I wonder but how would the Miranda 2 fair against the same cardassin ships the Phoenix was facing and was the Miranda extremely nerfed as i believe she was as seen in the battle of Angels just to make the Defiant look better than it was? I wonder if badger could recreate a very small scale version of that ds9 episode to see if the Miranda 2 was given the shaft in that episode?

[@Euripides_Panz]

Is there a Reliant or Merian-class mod? These designs look interesting.

[@mobeasley8577]

I remember a Miranda 2 with quantums?

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Yes...there are a few Miranda 2's. However these versions more closley resemble the Miranda. The Other Miranda 2 had more of a sovereign class look. 🖖

[@ryanbrochu3336]

The Miranda2 seems to have a lot of reserve power. Why didn't you increase power to the engines as well?

[@mikes1542]

If possible, I would like to play against you and or with you for fun in star trek armada and or star trek bridge commander.

[@kevinwestrom4775]

As much as I like the Miranda-2 ship, I'd have to say the Klingon Vor'cha was the more powerful ship there, with its armor, shields & weaponry against the Miranda 2's shields & weapons.

[@LowellOda]

the klingons might have weak shields but they have stronger weapons

[@jodyhoward2421]

Boom vs Connie refit refit

[@denbaker7358]

Andromeda seige perilous vs a few federation ships please

[@jacobfoster9185]

Do you have access to the rc thrusters?

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

There is an option for thrusters in the controls, but I've never been able to get them working 🖖

[@davidprinzing8059]

I think the Miranda would win that fight 10/10 times if you focused on leveraging those pulse phasors more. They seemed to do a really good job. The Vor'Cha probably wins 8/10 times when playing good cloaking games.

[@BGDGr81]

You have a bad habit every time you play, of staying still at beginning of the combat with the other ship and taking all the first volley on your front shields ''/

[@TOK150]

He is playing to comfortable sometimes, then he panics, cloaks and dies.

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

And like Kahn he exhibits two dimensional thinking, by completely ignoring the top and bottom shields till they’re gone or almost gone. Or staying way too close to enemy ships ensuring all their torpedoes will hit.

[@siebenhsiao]

Those seem like warp nacelles from the Galaxy and the Nebula........ Miranda is equipped with warp core powerful enough to propel such nacelles?? If so, it DOES earn the right to have a fight with Vor'Cha class!

[@ТимурХамидуллин-в4к]

Здаствуйте у миня вопрос если можно в игру бридж командр поставить сколько угодно модов то разве они не будут конфликтовать и сколько их у вас стоит если ни секрет модов стоит и как вы справляетись с несовмистимостью и другими багами я вот просто хочу играть но вот больше пару модов начинается дичь какето асобенно если в сборке уже есть кораболь из придыдущий сборки я просто полохо знаю прогромирования как вы баги фиксите помагите пожалуста ибо звездный путь не так популярин в россий как у вас и каких то форумов или еще чего подобного просто нет

[@peterthx]

Mid-24th Century nacelles but no phaser strips. Design doesn't make sense.

[@failomas1443]

well they copypasta the deflector dish; pretty ugly i would say