ZOMBIE HORDE TOWER! - 7 DAYS TO DIE #32 - (Season 3)

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@faresmohamed2375
@faresmohamed2375 8 жыл бұрын
That 1 block he didn't cement for so long hurt my OCD.
@mathusanpanchadcharasarma1180
@mathusanpanchadcharasarma1180 8 жыл бұрын
Fares Mohamed omg same!
@starlights8346
@starlights8346 8 жыл бұрын
same ...
@hypersnyper7
@hypersnyper7 8 жыл бұрын
It isn't symetrical
@richselway298
@richselway298 8 жыл бұрын
i wanted to cut when he didnt cement for ages
@dabeastgamer5474
@dabeastgamer5474 8 жыл бұрын
Fares Mohamed mine too
@GladG
@GladG 8 жыл бұрын
That one unupgraded wooden block :{
@issaknife8953
@issaknife8953 8 жыл бұрын
TheGmaster123 it annoyed the hell outta me, I was yelling to myself
@chris9964
@chris9964 8 жыл бұрын
Glitching FTW do you know when Xbox will get an update to get traders?
@trickster8318
@trickster8318 8 жыл бұрын
Chris Casserley 2098
@chris9964
@chris9964 8 жыл бұрын
Pedro Guzman 😂😂😂😂🤔 wait, it wasn't funny. Literally the worst attempt at a joke this year.
@trickster8318
@trickster8318 8 жыл бұрын
Chris Casserley I'm bored leave me alone but u got to admit I have some sick uncle jokes
@FayezXG
@FayezXG 8 жыл бұрын
JUST CLICKED ON AND CAN ALREADY TELL ITS GONNA BE A LIT EPISODE 🔥!!!
@Beck-vp9mt
@Beck-vp9mt 8 жыл бұрын
FayezXGaming p
@Beck-vp9mt
@Beck-vp9mt 8 жыл бұрын
FayezXGaming probably I mean the title is Zombie horde tower who like that
@chris9964
@chris9964 8 жыл бұрын
FayezXGaming do you know when the Xbox one will get the update with traders in it?
@FayezXG
@FayezXG 8 жыл бұрын
Chris Casserley nope
@FayezXG
@FayezXG 8 жыл бұрын
Chris Casserley nope
@jamiepeek5164
@jamiepeek5164 8 жыл бұрын
"Do little trees grow into big trees I think they do" Vikk 2016
@addyyy01
@addyyy01 8 жыл бұрын
vikk u should have made a spike repair system below so you can rapair the spikes . LIKE SO VIKK SEES THIS
@goldash17
@goldash17 8 жыл бұрын
KING ADDY He doesn't need to though
@sinadoost3235
@sinadoost3235 8 жыл бұрын
make the spikes 3 rows all round... IT HURTS
@ImranR02
@ImranR02 8 жыл бұрын
Sina Doost ikr
@MonkeyAssassin2
@MonkeyAssassin2 8 жыл бұрын
Sina Doost for real!! He's all talking symmetry at the beginning and then just blew it off!! :(
@goldash17
@goldash17 8 жыл бұрын
Sina Doost but hopefully he does it
@braedansmith3988
@braedansmith3988 8 жыл бұрын
My OCD is killin meh
@sinadoost3235
@sinadoost3235 8 жыл бұрын
Blake Contres lmao it affects how well his defenses preform u non
@lucasvivacqua9775
@lucasvivacqua9775 8 жыл бұрын
vikk you missed one spot of concrete and forgot to even out the shape because you wanted the center to be distant from the base
@joseph-hh6yx
@joseph-hh6yx 8 жыл бұрын
5 uploads in one day?! vik spoils us! lol he is so awesome!
@MrDbutt123
@MrDbutt123 8 жыл бұрын
Vik add another layer of scrap iron grates so that you have maximum space at the top of the tower and will reduce the chances of you falling down onto the zombies.... also it will allow you to be above both layers of spikes so you can shoot and get headshots easier XD
@ThePerformist
@ThePerformist 8 жыл бұрын
VIK NO SLACKIN ON THE SERIES BRO, it's absolutely a gem. There is an underground base with a gun safe and everything from basics to schematics. There's tons of concrete and it's in the wasteland like coords 600 1335 or something. NOTICE THE UNDERGROUND BASE VIK
@TheWorks27
@TheWorks27 8 жыл бұрын
I was legit just about to go to bed when the notification popped up 😭😭😭😭😭
@fletcherfence6258
@fletcherfence6258 8 жыл бұрын
ikr
@jackchannell8012
@jackchannell8012 8 жыл бұрын
Samniko Williams
@TheWorks27
@TheWorks27 8 жыл бұрын
Clorox Bleach With Side Of Cancer I normally don't
@mrshadows1058
@mrshadows1058 8 жыл бұрын
Samniko Williams
@rocheellee
@rocheellee 8 жыл бұрын
I thought you were going to end the series, almost gave me a heart attack xd
@samriddh23
@samriddh23 8 жыл бұрын
There will come a day when Vikk finally fixes the lamp post XD
@bigmike5842
@bigmike5842 8 жыл бұрын
Just to know zombies can't dig down and another tip is that you can put 1/4 concrete blocks under spikes to repair them from under ground.
@yvesking7449
@yvesking7449 8 жыл бұрын
Vik if you go to the lowest floor in house and dig directly down, to the bottom and star digging to the nort there is a massive iron ore( round about 3000pieces)
@ayeshaxoxox
@ayeshaxoxox 8 жыл бұрын
Vik: I'm so sorry Me: *checks health* Nope, you didn't die Did he up difficulty again, idk what did you do this time?
@tannerwright569
@tannerwright569 8 жыл бұрын
I really want vikk to try to dig it the bottom of the world
@marcovigna2339
@marcovigna2339 8 жыл бұрын
Tjake123 -KZbin it's not that hard to get to the bottom
@tannerwright569
@tannerwright569 8 жыл бұрын
Marco Vigna still id like to see it
@dannyprizeman7783
@dannyprizeman7783 8 жыл бұрын
Tjake123 -KZbin ye
@mohammedfurqan2086
@mohammedfurqan2086 8 жыл бұрын
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY, MAKE IT SYMMETRICAL, PLEASE.
@mitchelldoherty6747
@mitchelldoherty6747 8 жыл бұрын
was i the only one waiting for the bear to jump into the pit with him
@joelarnold5252
@joelarnold5252 8 жыл бұрын
Mitchell Doherty leelllllllllll
@ImranR02
@ImranR02 8 жыл бұрын
Mitchell Doherty yep....
@kalebjordan4956
@kalebjordan4956 8 жыл бұрын
Scared me so bad at the beginning. I love this series
@leonjackson7376
@leonjackson7376 8 жыл бұрын
Put campfires around the pit and turn them on when hordes attack as it will attract the zombies to your location
@Alex-bz2fv
@Alex-bz2fv 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk if you accidentally destroy a dirt block, you can use the same dirt to fill it back up
@DarkF67
@DarkF67 8 жыл бұрын
you could dig up just one block from your concrete basement (it's easier and it's what is necessary to climb up and down) and build an underground tunnel that leads to the tower
@markisit6645
@markisit6645 8 жыл бұрын
GG Vik, A sniper tower finally. The Auger blade was like Minecraft cake.
@aaroncorney7604
@aaroncorney7604 8 жыл бұрын
The un filled rebar frame bugged me the whole time
@datow9877
@datow9877 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk, u can use the little wood pillars as support for the bridge, it won't fall down and the zombies will just go under, and not attack it
@12345678924439
@12345678924439 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk a tips, if you find sand underground there will always be ores there so you should just dig and dig in that area as long as there is sand there. Easier way to get lots of iron and maybe another ore like lead
@krytmas
@krytmas 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk! if you sell Items that are used to make the Auger like the Engine.. the Augerblade will be way more likely to be in Traitor Joels Secret Stash :)..... yes i know u should lay off the Auger Hunt Right now... but this would help :)
@adam35099
@adam35099 8 жыл бұрын
my OCD was going mad about the 1 cement block you forgot to upgrade for about 10 minutes thank god you got it in the end
@christianlaferla8984
@christianlaferla8984 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk I love the placement of the tower because the zombies from the town won't be caught on anything. P.S. - You might need to change the position of the motorbike stand. 😀
@manishrai2073
@manishrai2073 8 жыл бұрын
Ok good work on the tower but some tips, 1) Upgrade all the spikes to steel, thats why you still need way more iron, if you go to the mines and dig down, there is way way more iron there. 2) Start going to the settlements more often as they will have a lot of resources you need. they may also sell the Auger blade which you desperately need. 3) you need the treasures as they have very rare stuff, I personally got my auger blade from the treasure. 4) Make an underground base underneath the tower, you should really start making your farm there. 5) Cant emphasize this enough, START MINING MORE! you need way more iron and steel to upgrade your defenses 6)Keep the Magnum with you, you will need more sniper bullets for the next hoard so buy more bullet casings from the settlement for the next hoard Thats really all the advise I have, wonder if you even read the comments anymore:( but like so Vikk can see
@deanharr
@deanharr 8 жыл бұрын
Under the wood frames around the edge of your tower( the part you finished at the end ) you could put CONCRETE PILLAR 50 with a tunnel around this would make and easy way to repair your spikes besides leaning over a spike pit.
@dxsirer6410
@dxsirer6410 8 жыл бұрын
7 days to die with all the sidemen would be lit
@cadellhe
@cadellhe 8 жыл бұрын
Should have built the spikes etc on the sam platform that is on the side of your wall by house and a under ground spot so you could go underneath and upgrade and repair them
@kalvincochran9505
@kalvincochran9505 8 жыл бұрын
vikk you should totally keep looking for the augar! its cool we don't mind also don't make a parkour entrance to your base build underground!!
@powermovesonly2053
@powermovesonly2053 8 жыл бұрын
These next few days need to be spent digging the tunnel and making sniper rounds. Also it's not perfect but that's a decent tower
@davidholbrook7241
@davidholbrook7241 8 жыл бұрын
I'd say ladders on all sides of the tower so if you do fall down you can stop yourself an I really want to see the new escape tunnel built so that you could use it on the next horde night if things get tough. A layer of spikes inside all of those fences would also help and be pretty good at cutting numbers down.
@theobelanger4266
@theobelanger4266 8 жыл бұрын
It's a great idea but what about the cops projectiles?
@rgpfighter
@rgpfighter 8 жыл бұрын
He needs to add some walls to hide behind while reloading and attacking
@itsKyrex
@itsKyrex 8 жыл бұрын
rgpfighter like battlements of a castle
@sic22l
@sic22l 8 жыл бұрын
1. 2 blocks is not enough as a fall trap. Zombies won't be hurt at all. They may loose their legs when the pit is 30-40 blocks deep, not 2. 2. Keep both slots in the forge busy! Now you're wasting a lot of time. 3. Drinking goldenrod or red tea will give you a few wellness points for free. 4. You forgot to upgrade one block in the tower. The tower itself is not high enough - zombies can climb on each other. It's also too close to the house - if a horde will spawn there they'll tear your house down (they may even spawn inside). 5. The tower is also nowhere near wide enough. With two zombie cops spitting on you - you have nowhere to go and nowhere to hide. They'll also destroy your grates in a few hits. Scrooge some iron and make at least two rows of iron bars. Yes, they're more expensive but they also have much more durability. 6. If you plan to upgrade those spikes to full iron, you'll loose 20 iron on each spike. 7. You cannot fill the gap. You can cover it with iron or wood plate (iron plate is thinner). 8. You could've made solid walkway to the house and support it on the pillars. 9. Dig the tunnels to connect the tower with your house and mine. 10. About the mine - fill the gaps in the path with wood frames or wood ramps. Don't ignore the gravel - it's around ores. Follow the gravel to get more iron. 11. Iron is a predominant ore in your biome. Coal and potassium nitrate are very rare. If you want coal - go to the plains biome (the one around Perishton - there's coal even on the surface), for potassium go to the snow biome.
@JCrook1028
@JCrook1028 8 жыл бұрын
Biomes.xml has the info on what ore is found in the various biomes. Snow - Iron, Coal Forest - Iron, Coal, Potassium, Lead Plains - Lead, Iron Desert - Oil, Coal Wasteland - Iron, Coal, Potassium, Lead Burnt - Iron, Coal, Potassium, Lead He is in the Forest biome.
@YouTubeUser-cf1yp
@YouTubeUser-cf1yp 8 жыл бұрын
I know this doesn't relate to the video, but I just feel like Vik is doing so much better in his videos and he's getting more comfortable with his commentary.
@russellwatt7548
@russellwatt7548 8 жыл бұрын
Vik leaving that last Sq on the tower was driving me crazy hoping one of the multiple times he had it on his screen he would reinforce it. took forever
@samueldelabertauche6540
@samueldelabertauche6540 8 жыл бұрын
You could add another layer of frames around the edge so zombies fall further. Also, to fill in the dirt gaps you can put down a frame then pick it up/destroy it and it levels the ground
@nathansusskind3366
@nathansusskind3366 8 жыл бұрын
Yay I was waiting for this
@DylanOnDiscord
@DylanOnDiscord 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk use wooden planks under the spikes so that you can go underneath and upgrade the spikes from below.
@ethanma1722
@ethanma1722 8 жыл бұрын
Make it one taller, even the dimensions of the pit, and build the tunnel :D I'm so happy you finally did this
@philipshin7016
@philipshin7016 8 жыл бұрын
Yaaass love these! Rip Auger tho
@coreybob9356
@coreybob9356 8 жыл бұрын
Use wood frames to build around ur new base to upgrade spikes
@coreybob9356
@coreybob9356 8 жыл бұрын
Then pick them back up when done upgrading / repairing them
@jenna3952
@jenna3952 8 жыл бұрын
Thus is the earliest I've been, wow. Btw I love your vids!
@JustSomeNoob
@JustSomeNoob 8 жыл бұрын
Vik follow the sand bud your find more iron ore vains and stuff, also seen as your making a tunnel under you can easily remove the wood frames from under the spikes and replace with concrete 1/4 slabs and repair them and upgrade them through that from under them :D hope it helps
@bushyman477
@bushyman477 8 жыл бұрын
On each side at the base of the tower say one block above ground remove a wall in each direction and add some sort of translucent block, so you can climb down tower and repair as many spikes as you can see...
@303Whitti
@303Whitti 8 жыл бұрын
+Vikkstar123HD You can fix your spikes by having an extra layer of rebar around the main structure two blocks up and reaching down from there
@Joex51x
@Joex51x 8 жыл бұрын
Vik you have to dig out the sand the Iron deposits are mixed with the sand that is also good to get concrete Ingredients, to fix your Spikes you can use wood frames to make a bridge over the top of them to repair them then pick up the frames.
@kalebpook9248
@kalebpook9248 8 жыл бұрын
great work vik keep it up man ✌
@jakedasnake1413
@jakedasnake1413 8 жыл бұрын
Vik haven't watched you since minecraft with mich and boka (fluffy) 2 years ago you have grown a lot ;) keep it up
@hogwartsproject5104
@hogwartsproject5104 8 жыл бұрын
"It looks like actually, do over time do little trees turn into these big trees? I think they do...they do, actually." (16:19) Trees grow? Really? Yes Vik, they do.
@corcking
@corcking 8 жыл бұрын
I love the new series on this channel, hope you won't change any of them any time soon!
@gavin_riedy9113
@gavin_riedy9113 8 жыл бұрын
No Vik your trees stay little baby saplings forever when you pant them and then random giant trees pop up by themselves. oooooooooooooooo MAGIC
@austinsturgeon5249
@austinsturgeon5249 8 жыл бұрын
I was sooooo scared because of that intro I almost cried... lol
@LikeABoss2016
@LikeABoss2016 8 жыл бұрын
The scrap medal spikes are cheaper to make and less to upgrade... Zombies are going to dig out the dirt on the outside walls... Good video keep up the good work..
@emmarose6416
@emmarose6416 8 жыл бұрын
Ah so happy to wake up to this today! Didn't think there was going to be an episode yesterday after the minecraft vid 😍
@oo1712
@oo1712 8 жыл бұрын
You can change the scope depth by scrolling. You can eat honey to cure yourself from an infection. You can place wood frames on spikes to walk on it.
@mrsam225
@mrsam225 8 жыл бұрын
use those metal square bar on the bottom level and have them so you can go around replacing the spikes without getting hurt and walk around ;)
@JustSam6925
@JustSam6925 8 жыл бұрын
YES PERFECT TIMING!!
@taraleonhard8895
@taraleonhard8895 8 жыл бұрын
Make a underground thing that make you where you can upgrade the danage one under the spikes where you can upgrade it and check the body's ok
@ryanjones5594
@ryanjones5594 8 жыл бұрын
LIKE SO VIK SEES: It's not the most ergonomic of designs but there are things you can do to make it work; Around the edge of the pit, build a wall of concrete pillar 50's from ground height to the bottom of the pit, then dig a small 'room' of 2/3 blocks wide around the outside of this so that you can walk around the perimeter of the pit and shoot zombies/repair spikes through the gap in the pillars. The centre of the tower should link to this room so that you can go up the ladder to shoot zombies that are further out. They won't take fall damage from a drop of 2/3 blocks. To kill a normal zombie, you need a fall height of around 40-50 blocks depending on difficulty. The tower should also be made taller and with iron bars (higher hp), as the scrap grates will get destroyed very quickly by cop puke, and if you're standing on it and fall into a pit of your own spikes full of zombies, you're screwed. The hopping wood frames between house and tower is very bad-easily destroeyd by zombies and easy to make a mistake and fall onto the ground-dig a tunnel linked to the room around the perimeter. Also, please make 3 rows of spikes on each side, it hurts my OCD xD
@David-vn4hn
@David-vn4hn 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk in the forge you can smelt two things at the same time, so just split the iron and smelt it double fast!! It's so annyoing when you don't, the thing is that you have done it before as well.... xD
@it5sparky189
@it5sparky189 8 жыл бұрын
You should make the outer edges of the ditch a ramp so the zombies cant dig a gaping hole around your defence it really makes the defence eaier to deal with when cleaning up too
@Avinash-cd9uc
@Avinash-cd9uc 8 жыл бұрын
Who else got the feeling that he will fall in the tower a kill himself..........
@habibullayosufi579
@habibullayosufi579 8 жыл бұрын
Alan Prakash me
@corinsweeney8526
@corinsweeney8526 8 жыл бұрын
vikk move your mini bike up closer to the zombie hoard base if u are going to use it as an escape route u will haft to run towards the hoard to get your mini bike
@joton7726
@joton7726 8 жыл бұрын
you should make your base under ground where the ladder goes down because it is more effective to have your base underground from my experience and it is a lot better
@TheStavi34
@TheStavi34 8 жыл бұрын
listening to him explain the zombies walking off, falling and getting hurt and breaking their legs reminded me of the way they explained their plans in Shawn of the Dead! haha #epicmovie
@s-t3irnutty857
@s-t3irnutty857 8 жыл бұрын
Vik if you use wooden blocks it's got more health because once you have took down one level theres another
@jonathan66ist
@jonathan66ist 8 жыл бұрын
use the planks that can be picked up and placed down for unreachable spikes
@thatracinggamer6809
@thatracinggamer6809 8 жыл бұрын
Do this series daily .I love it
@sirtrafly
@sirtrafly 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading i love this series
@danielcook8035
@danielcook8035 8 жыл бұрын
Use a nail gun for upgrading, it's so much quicker than the claw hammer
@dieusonoctave9322
@dieusonoctave9322 8 жыл бұрын
Daniel cook he still needs a part for it. he assembled the parts he had so people just think he has one.
@AlienX-_
@AlienX-_ 2 жыл бұрын
Rewatching this, it hurts that there are only a few more episodes left.
@nikanation-gaming6168
@nikanation-gaming6168 8 жыл бұрын
hey vikk! I just hit 200 subs, thanks for being an inspiration!
@wxrId
@wxrId 8 жыл бұрын
Nikanation - Gaming keep graining dude! you're going to be recognize on KZbin one day :D
@d-foxthegoat1922
@d-foxthegoat1922 8 жыл бұрын
Nikanation - Gaming Good Job Bro!👍
@brandino8018
@brandino8018 8 жыл бұрын
you just got 207 im #7
@nikanation-gaming6168
@nikanation-gaming6168 8 жыл бұрын
William Real Madrid FTW thanks!
@nikanation-gaming6168
@nikanation-gaming6168 8 жыл бұрын
im irrelevant af thanks so much!
@dougk93
@dougk93 8 жыл бұрын
You could have dug underneath to make a spike repair system going on so you can repair the spikes from underneath if needed
@symphatixe
@symphatixe 8 жыл бұрын
for the spikes, you could just dig out a dirt layer one lower like on the outer edge of the mound,
@uriel3767
@uriel3767 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk the tower needs to be higher
@juni249
@juni249 8 жыл бұрын
I think that you should add the mobile spotlight to your house wall or your new horde tower
@willstein4531
@willstein4531 8 жыл бұрын
Keep the magnum on you, it's just as damaging as the sniper, ammo is easier, and it's quicker. Personally I'll keep both of them on me sniper for ranged kills, and magnum for closer kills. Plus take out the crossbow from your inventory it's useless.
@_Tekton_
@_Tekton_ 8 жыл бұрын
vikk finally took the idea of the spike repair from below from the video i tweeted him respect for him
@juusto3_352
@juusto3_352 8 жыл бұрын
building is so satisfying
@brandongutierrez7049
@brandongutierrez7049 8 жыл бұрын
Tower looks great vikk
@diogoersealves3382
@diogoersealves3382 8 жыл бұрын
Farm a LOT more; wood, iron and stone off camera (like 10,000 each) cus seeing you do it only when you need is a bore, also will make you progress way faster.
@jamesrees3002
@jamesrees3002 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk uploads loads daily on his 3 channels - he doesn't have that kind of time
@haveatyouvillain1033
@haveatyouvillain1033 8 жыл бұрын
Diogo Erse Alves I don't think it's a bore and a lot of people like watching him farm and upgrade
@haveatyouvillain1033
@haveatyouvillain1033 8 жыл бұрын
Diogo Erse Alves I don't think it's a bore and a lot of people like watching him farm and upgrade
@diogoersealves3382
@diogoersealves3382 8 жыл бұрын
i wasn't trying to be rude, just constructive criticism, I love his Videos.
@uMirage
@uMirage 8 жыл бұрын
While doing so he'll be going through days in 7 days to die. Say now its day 40 if he farmed for material off camera next episode will be horde day.
@landjgameplay9820
@landjgameplay9820 8 жыл бұрын
VIK, you should tunnel from your basement to your horde tower, it will de easier as it is already under ground, PLZ LIKE SO VIKK CAN SEE
@eliashundhammer7954
@eliashundhammer7954 8 жыл бұрын
I am loving this season so much 😂😀👍👍
@phattank5403
@phattank5403 8 жыл бұрын
nice 7 days to minecraft. love the series vik
@OBIIIIIIIII
@OBIIIIIIIII 8 жыл бұрын
i think the tower is a good enough idea, but what is your plan for cops. if he runs or vomits at you, how are you going to deal with him? Also you can place plates around the edge of the structure to cover up where the dirt meets the wood blocks. in addition, i would suggest having a trap door in the very centre or you'll fall down.
@LegoMaster105
@LegoMaster105 8 жыл бұрын
Vikk the wood parkour platforms bother me put some cobblestone so if the zombies break them and you fall off you are not screwed. Only if you can. Looks great, maybe dig some trenches around the perimeter of your base to trap them, and see if you can get spotlights
@turtleworld5467
@turtleworld5467 8 жыл бұрын
yay we gotta dub upload thx Vikk xD
@realrandom8610
@realrandom8610 8 жыл бұрын
love it when u work on defences
@zaclewis906
@zaclewis906 8 жыл бұрын
Yesss vikk doing come construction lets gooooooo
@SolidGuardRotMG
@SolidGuardRotMG 8 жыл бұрын
Since he already started building a tower i feel like the hole should be deeper for more falling damage, and look cool
@sophiekempf9377
@sophiekempf9377 8 жыл бұрын
Favourite series ever
@sabastianholdsworth2532
@sabastianholdsworth2532 8 жыл бұрын
when smelting split the iron into 2 stacks so you can smelt it 2x as fast
@badcreations9527
@badcreations9527 8 жыл бұрын
Take the staircase off the parkour route, on hoard night if your jumping back and a zombie jumps up there and stuns you. It's game over
@Jayyjayy937
@Jayyjayy937 8 жыл бұрын
you can repair them by the top stand on the ledge
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