Vincent Van Gogh self-portrait discovered through X-ray - BBC News

[@dhawthorne1634]

How has this just now been discovered? Because his paintings didn't sell all that well in his in his lifetime, he was always just barely scraping by. I thought it was well known that he reused canvas somewhat more regularly than other artists of his time, often smoothing and painting right overtop of a previous work. I'd have expected every Van Gogh to have been x-rayed ages ago. If he really did flip the canvas for this one, I'm quite glad that he preserved the original.

[@hgbnkbggj2915]

I believe it is because this is a very sophisticated process, not at all like the ease of a medical x-ray. So, paintings have to be carefully selected and taken to specialised facilities.

[@Saiyan36912]

It's crazy how he's paintings didn't sell well when he was alive does he have relatives alive today

[@romulusbuta9318]

@@Saiyan36912 he had no kids, he had a married brother .....Doesn'n matter anyway : paintings he made belong now to other persons,institutions ,etc

[@dhawthorne1634]

@@romulusbuta9318 I'd like to add that he was a very difficult man to get along with. Records of his personality paint him as being a depressed, short tempered, schizophrenic, alcoholic with Asperger's syndrome. No one ever pursued a relationship with him and after getting his heart broken by his widowed cousin, he never tried to court anyone again.

[@Saiyan36912]

@@romulusbuta9318 will they check all he's paintings now to see if there is similar sketches on he's other work

[@jirikrajnak9047]

Ironic (and twisted) how Van Gogh was penniless, yet his artwork sells for astronomical figures.

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

And drippy paint Pollock is also considered an artist in the same league. Please, 3 year olds could forge a Pollock and no one would know.

[@Nogardtist]

as a starving artist that quit making art thats insulting some artist literally use their pain to draw and get nothing for it seeing that millions of millions flows that easily then they needed these while they were alive is like imagine you want water theres no water anywhere and after you life theres water everywhere now

[@jirikrajnak9047]

@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 Classic knee-jerk reaction. You should actually visit an art gallery. I guarantee you that that will change your opinion.

[@laurinharter661]

NFT fix that

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

@@jirikrajnak9047 Knee jerk? No. I am a histroy nerd with an exact definition (even if other people disagree) of "art". That is, if it exceeds the average ability/competency etc of thier age group or species. So if a 3 year old (or a donkey) can drip paint all over stuff, then it isn't art when a grown man does it. And contractors that paint houses etc for a living make ""masterpieces" every day. Or do they? While I cannot afford to travel too much, I do go to galleries and museums whenever I do and I would be more impressed with Pollocks work if he had been a donkey, or a three year old.

[@loveisall5520]

Cool! As a former x-ray tech I love its use for this.

[@MotoTvWoodsFarm]

great use of technology well done everyone involved

[@jayllaneta2507]

Only Vincent van Gogh knows what it secret of his masterpiece... I love Vincent van Gogh....

[@tommyvercettygt]

If only he could know his life wasn't worthless and poor as when he was alive... So sorry for him

[@Saiyan36912]

This is unbelievable you gotta love history the price of this painting will go up again

[@marianlincoln9008]

It wasn't unusual for artists of that time to paint over one painting with another as supplies weren't cheap and patrons could be real penny pincers... I think it's fabulous that they found this. I hope they can reveal the portrait with out ruining the painting of the peasant woman as well.

[@epluribusunum1907]

“I dream my painting, and then I paint my dream.” - Vincent Van Gogh. People do not recognize Van Gogh was having Clairvoyant dreams. Very few in this world have that ability. It is also quite uncomfortable and people might think the subject is crazy. Yet, that is not exactly the case. Van Gogh also was doing early forms of steganography. Steganography (/ˌstɛɡəˈnɒɡrəfi/ (listen) STEG-ə-NOG-rə-fee) is the practice of concealing a message within another message or a physical object. In computing/electronic contexts, a computer file, message, image, or video is concealed within another file, message, image, or video. The word steganography comes from Greek steganographia, which combines the words steganós (στεγανός), meaning "covered or concealed", and -graphia (γραφή) meaning "writing".[1] Connect the dots: 1. Van Gogh - Almond Blossoms 2. FIVE Books of Moses - Almond Blossoms, A cure for plague / smallpox or monkeypox or covid. 3. Aaron's Rod bloomed Almond Blossoms OUT OF MANY, ONE GOD GIVEN

[@With-Kujo]

Dr Who with Vincent Van Gogh is a tear jerker.

[@MALI-jf6pe]

ok, now let's x-ray all the other paintings in the world.

[@hgbnkbggj2915]

This is a very difficult, costly and time-consuming process requiring hyper-specialised instruments. Unfortunately paintings have to be carefully selected for these reasons.

[@hgbnkbggj2915]

@Theo P Needlessly skeptical comment, there's no reason why this information would be hidden.

[@ruthdepew7212]

I can't wait to see the two sided frame with the pictures displayed in the middle if the room

[@v.britton4445]

Van Gogh " Merde , the techies found that mistake I tried to cover up !!"

[@slavaukraini1811]

Vincent van Gogh was Dutch not French

[@barrymoore4470]

@@slavaukraini1811 True, but he lived in France in his last years, and was proficient in the language. He probably did say "merde" a few times in his life!

[@slavaukraini1811]

@@barrymoore4470 true but 4 years is not that long. I am Dutch and have lived abroad (Portugal) but when I was angry and said bad words I always did it in my native tongue. Even after 10 years. I think it's just wired in your brain and in all emotion/anger you will fall back to your native language. So van Gogh probably said (God)verdomme= merde Btw, he has probably said merde many times but just wanted to emphasize that he is Dutch and we are proud of that. His life story is a rather sad one though. I wish he could see his art right now

[@barrymoore4470]

@@slavaukraini1811 I think you're quite right that we all are likely to fall back on our native language when expressing sharp or deep emotion. And it does rankle when van Gogh is sometimes misrepresented as French, simply because his most canonical period stems from the time of his French residency. Of course, considering how widely beloved his legacy now is, in some ways he now truly belongs to the world. Thank you for your elucidation, and introducing me to my first Dutch swear word!

[@samabrahams7687]

All the bad news get ages a good intresting story is a mere 30 second clip ... more information please ...

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

I know huh? The depressing crap is 10 minutes long. VanGogh isn't even worth 1 minute to people. They will certainly have to display it differently after conservation so that people can see both sides.

[@simonsimon325]

It's our own fault. They tailor their content according to what the majority want to hear about. All the scientific work going on all the time, stuff about art and literature, not to mention just interesting events from around the world, yet most people are more interested in murder and depravity. Mainstream TV is absolutely rammed with that kind of content every night. Some channels have hours of stuff about real life murder cases every single night of the week and never seem to run out. It's depressing stuff. This is why I don't watch news much and much prefer youtube.

[@prishikasharma8834]

He portrayed his pain into ecstatic beauty! 🎨

[@ZexaXIII]

Yes.

[@mrwhite6529]

The price just went up.....

[@adonistopofmen2571]

Great ...

[@lishi9528]

About Van Gogh The vivid and powerful brushstrokes are permeated with indescribable pains, sorrows and bitterness weaving the first gorgeousness, splendor, warmth. From heart to soul Some messages, slowly chewing, sedimentary , sublimation The swirls in the sky are like God's eye watches everything The wave of the wheat fields are like the rich and fragrant breasts of a peasant woman in the countryside. The stubborn and simple sower at sunset is the painter himself--Van Gogh A life of solitude and full of passion and Untold vicissitudes of life. 2014.10.10

[@LemonWedgeinc]

Mid.

[@cbfinley]

Awesome!!!

[@luminous6810]

Amazing wonderful

[@ediekoller1144]

Interesting finding. I am a fan of Dutch Painters and my favorites are Rembrandt , Vermeer and Franz Hals.

[@barrymoore4470]

That is the great triumvirate of seventeenth-century Dutch artists. I like Pieter de Hooch a lot too, his work reminding me a lot of Vermeer.

[@ewechoober3355]

Dunno why everyone is surprised, he was a struggling artist who recycled canvases.

[@PuRe_AdDicT]

It’s a “new” Van Gogh artwork AND it’s a self portrait. It will be one of the highest valued of his artworks of all time I’m sure

[@ewechoober3355]

@@PuRe_AdDicT but it's only an x-ray currently, how can they separate it from the original though? To be honest, l adore VG, but that portrait of the woman is f-ugly. I prefer the original self portrait!

[@PuRe_AdDicT]

@@ewechoober3355 Ugly it may be, but there's a value there. I have no idea what process they will use to remove it, but I am sure they will hope to have 2 artworks at the end.

[@vrclckd-zz3pv]

@@PuRe_AdDicT Whenever I hear about stuff like this I wish they'd leave it for the future. Whatever methods and technology we have now we will still have in a few decades, but in a few decades we might have better tools to remove the cardboard with a lower risk of destroying either works.

[@ewechoober3355]

@@PuRe_AdDicT of course there's immense value because of who painted it, but Head of a Peasant Woman is not particularly pleasing to the eye, worth several million but still fugly!!!

[@antoniettabroadhurst1178]

Wow!!...

[@ingridllinas5612]

Van gogh does not want to be forgotten I guess. We might say he has appeared as a peasant, one of his favorite subjects. The number of existing self-portraits might increase, if it can be separated due the glue.

[@kevinnapier8996]

#AMAZING!!!!!

[@stefyguereschi]

Van GOGH 👏👏

[@user-zy8cy6hn6o]

Why were they doing x rays on it anyways? Was it something with analyzing the material for preservation purposes?

[@Currency999]

I think they probably thought there was something underneath being that the back had been glued , also it’s not uncommon for artists to repaint canvases as they cost money and van gough was poor

[@roberthoyt7921]

I'm quite surprised

[@BobMarley-vl5gl]

Honestly I would rather this was kept hidden and not having the backing removed, assuming he placed that backing himself. It should be kept with maybe a detailed X-ray image to show what it would look like side by side.

[@daisiesforghosts]

My worst fear is becoming a world renown artist and people x raying my art to see the ugly art I chose to destroy with a new piece 💀😩

[@daviddalby9699]

I'll be there to see it billiant

[@JoyGlitter3]

Cool

[@Satin96]

I wouldn't take the glue and cardboard off it's more valuable with his self portrait

[@Badshah-un2mp]

yesss matters of k-ray.

[@26rounak]

is it me or any one else also realised that "Professor Frances" exactly looks like the person in the painting itself . 🤯😀

[@Peter-lm5xp]

Rough news grapoihh

[@gregmiller9710]

..kool to know there's another Van Gogh :D

[@RealUlrichLeland]

I wonder if they'll display it in the middle of a room so you can see both sides

[@barrymoore4470]

That would be the logical approach. Both images have interest and value.

[@j7ndominica051]

How do they plan to display the canvas from both sides once the backing is removed?

[@mandelorean6243]

Double sided wall. Island wall, double sides

[@AlfieDoug]

By thinking of a simple solution 😁

[@IntrepidFraidyCat]

Makes me wonder what other things are out there... waiting to be found. 🤔

[@dylanbuchman8128]

That's pretty kew

[@rubbermallet3873]

🕵wow! isn't that an incredible discovery? its simply amazing 😁

[@pyschofreak8416]

Damn

[@I.____.....__...__]

HOW/WHY was it found? Do they regularly randomly x-ray paintings? 🤔

[@vrclckd-zz3pv]

Yeah actually. I first heard about it from this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn3Jo42GiZqBZ8U X-Raying paintings can reveal changes that were made in the process and can help detect fakes.

[@navajyotichetia8968]

That was the selfie of that time- what remains the same is the weakness for doing a self portrait or a selfie which needs research

[@witness1013]

I feel like this is the 12th time I've heard this over the years

[@PHlophe]

naw they aged the wood with tea and applied varnish coating and then pass it off as "discovery".

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

These artists were poor as hell. They all reduced, reused, and recycled what they had. It is only now that technology is good enough to do this, and the owners/museums/galleries have to get permission to do it, and that is often hard as hell. So when they do manage to do this, of course it will end up on the news. The world is more than corrupt duopoly and Pokémon cards. As a history nerd, I find this exciting.

[@SourDoughBill]

So, is it worth twice as much now?

[@djtomoy]

Call me when it’s an nft

[@mcdj99]

Might not be a picture of himself.

[@majlordag1889]

I was thinking the same thing.. sure it looks like him a bit bit saying it with such certainty feels wrong when it's not unrealistic that it could be someone else who resembles him a bit

[@BobMarley-vl5gl]

Um you guys seems to be stretching it a bit, why would it not be him.

[@majlordag1889]

@@BobMarley-vl5gl because he did portraits of other people. That guy on the pic may be similar to Van Gogh but it's not a carbon copy

[@bookbeatles]

Huh!! Buy one get one deal!!🤣

[@bartmacaluso]

Thats not an actual portrait

[@farrahkong1998]

Two-sided painting.

[@MrAnQ2]

thats a old time cowboy he drawn. hows that? 🤔

[@JustMe-vz3wd]

he painted a self portrait did go like nope no good at all recycled the canvas for another painting goes like yes great painting gonna keep it most likely would strongly object to restoring a failed painting.

[@rogerbourke5570]

So eloquently put.

[@Whereisbuddyat]

King.

[@suningchen]

Did he put himself at the back of his woman of love?

[@medardbitangimana4580]

As if he didn't have enough self portraits 😅

[@ericastones1052]

Artist actually did paint over their first works when they couldn't get more money to buy supplies. This is wear the term starving artist comes from if painters couldn't sell their art they would paint over it in hopes that would sell and make money to buy more art supplies or at least something to eat.

[@kaelthunderhoof5619]

When artist are alive = painting ain't worth crap When artist dies = painting sells for millions

[@Tark_]

@@kaelthunderhoof5619 Modern day music artists once they die.

[@stevencole4602]

I really really really really really really really really really really really really don't care....

[@Fundamental_Ontology]

I have got a question, how do they come to this point to X-Ray 🩻 this pic? Did Vincent call them that i am here or i am sick?

[@SirMemeV2]

Same way we randomly smash particles together or poke through the human brain trying to stimulate certain parts, why not 🤣

[@lennarthagen3638]

Your sick

[@Fundamental_Ontology]

@@lennarthagen3638 I can see that, who is sick lol 😆

[@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059]

It is well known that dirt poor painters would often paint over another painting to paint a portrait they could sell. Back then, his self portrait was worthless. Paint pigments often contained metals etc also which is why they XRay them.

[@MrJoysiq]

I want roll those papers in a blunt and smoke it 420 style

[@vidalskyociosen3326]

He just used scratch canvas to save some money, that’s all nothing special.

[@coraltown1]

and it documents an intact left ear !

[@diamondtamilmovies2353]

He is very intelligent like me but he faced full life problem. Hats off Vincent Vangoph

[@raspberries97]

Anyway, it's really strange, when somebody does an X-ray of a painting, not of a human body...

[@AlfieDoug]

Why ? do you expect to see another human body on the other side ?

[@alisonwelch8465]

ABSOLUTE LIES

[@chazeauxmusic]

hi

[@brunolondinese5857]

Omg just leave it there.

[@user-oi3yb7mm7h]

Those performing evil deeds are usually unaware of their misconduct. Only when they begin to do good deeds can they appreciate the severity of their past wrongdoings.

[@zenmeister4514]

?????

[@OneEpicEric]

"Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"

[@kandefer55]

Amazing. Hope KK won’t wear this back of her dress for the next met gala. Fingers crossed. Lol 😂

[@budakart]

Probably a self portrait of the x ray operator

[@ZexaXIII]

E.

[@phucknuts.7065]

Is he the walloper that cut his war off?

[@AmgedphaLimael]

oh no...and he was white too..... oh oh....is our history diverse enough for ya....BBC lolol

[@auro1986]

now bbc will increase price of painting

[@Greenpoloboy3]

Feels like they wait until an artist dies, and then those paintings are brought by some rich person, who then has the artist become well known, maybe from having them taught about in schools, simply so they can benefit financially from his works.

[@hgbnkbggj2915]

Nah. It's just that dying is the best thing you can do to popularise your works. Sad, but true.

[@andrenewcomb3708]

The Vitruvian Man? . . . a friendship unknown?

[@fmanresurrected6774]

It’s a Secret Message: LET’S GO BRANDON

[@ancienthistoricplacechanne2227]

Who is vincent ? Some budy tell me

[@lilianyputri3974]

.

[@BritishHongkongAlex]

I proud to be British also proud to be a Trump's supporter as well

[@athensr1103]

Reports out by journalists Liz Truss was recently crying out advocating for a Nuclear War with Russia - We are in very sensitive times right now , with the President of U.S clearly going senile - would you PLEASE BE CAREFUL which Prime Minister you choose !

[@hgbnkbggj2915]

As we have a rogue's gallery of brexiteer Tories, there is no good option. General election please.

[@PHlophe]

Y'all are using AI to create a fake painting and attribute it to him and you think we gon' buy this ? girl , puh-leeese !

[@bendover7841]

We ain't gon' buy nothing fam. We broke af.

[@alexanderweakdull4566]

मे अपने मातृभूमि भारतीय उपमहाद्वीप मे फस गया हू और मेरा देश नर्क है अंधकारमय दुःख है संपूर्ण विश्व पर अंधकारमय फैला रहा है मेने बहुत खोज लेकिन कोई प्रकाश दूसरा नही मीला मेने दो देश को पसंद किया है मेने greece को पसंद किया है मै आपको मेरा भारतीय उपमहाद्वीप समर्पित करूंगा आपको एक उपमहाद्वीप की धरती मिलेगी हमे मुक्त मिलेगी क्या की अंनतजिवन और प्रकाश मात्र greece या greek के पास है मे आपको विश्व की भलाई के लिए मे आपको अपनी भारतीय उपमहाद्वीप मातृभूमि देता हू आप का नया देश आपका संपन्न पूरा होगा मे आपको इतिहास बनने नही दूँगा मेरी मातृभूमि धरती की वर्तमान जिवन और संस्कृति और सभ्यता इतिहास बनेगा आपका greece और greek मनुष्य का नये यूग का आरंभ होगा आप मेरे भारतीय उपमहाद्वीप के मातृभूमि पर राज करेगा और आपका कोई हूवा संपन्न पूरा होगा मे और मेरी भारतीय उपमहाद्वीप के नागरिक सभी धीरे-धीरे greek बन जायेगे। भगवान ने आपकी ज्जबात को बचा लिया है और आपका धरती पर भलाई का सपन पूरा करने के लिए संपूर्ण भारतीय उपमहाद्वीप आपको समर्पित करने आया हू आपका के महान देश आपके पास मात्र छोटी धरती नही होनी चाहिए आपके पास बड़ी धरती का उपमहाद्वीप होना चाहिए। मेरी मातृभूमि भारतीय उपमहाद्वीप नर्क है आप यह अपने नये greece या greek का आरंभ करे हमे नर्क और अंधकारमय से मुक्त करे मे greek को धारण करने के लिए तदफरा हू मे अपने मातृभूमि की अंधकारमय नर्क को मेरे शरीर से त्याग करता हू और greek को धारण करता हू क्योंकि प्रकाश मात्रा आपके जिवन मे है इस धरती पर kzbin.info/www/bejne/mamToqybrZp9b9E