Al Snow on Dave Meltzer's Star Ratings

[@sharronpeters7753]

Al is so close... but still not getting it. Russo is just a dingbat. I am not the biggest Meltzer guy, but it's simple...he found an example of a data point outside of his scale and extended his scale to try to measure it... happens all the time in science...get over it lol. He did it to highlight how amazing a couple matches were, and I hear it as "these are in a new category of quality". Also, it is a false dichotomy to think people cannot get star ratings and make lots of money. Don't make yourself sound stupid to try to figure out a way to make something purely opinionated wrong lol. Meltzer is a silly wrasslin reviewer... there aren't laws or even rules on how to do a nonsensical job in the first place.

[@gypsymorning8558]

Al wasn’t a scientific wrestler.

[@REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K]

😂

[@sharronpeters7753]

@@gypsymorning8558 lol. I like Al, and he got super over back in the day... I just don't think they know the statistical significance of this. I would love to chit-chat with them about how this is a good thing.

[@thehmc]

Ah yes the statistical significance of a make believe rating. Maybe next science can run some statistical analysis on the speed of wishes. This is hilarious cope for a dopey rating that means nothing. This comment is rated 2 out of 1000 stars.

[@seanpaul93]

Great bit

[@mars___sumner]

Whenever someone tries to use Meltzer as a measuring stick for the quality of pro wrestling I think back to Scott Steiner’s MEM promo where he said something like “you go back to the locker room, play with your joystick and check to see if you got a 4 star match a 5 star match. What do care what some geek says? Ask us, and we’ll tell you that you suck.”

[@craigugulini3409]

Meltzer is the biggest mark to ever walk the earth

[@brainhakker7133]

And Eric Bischoff is Number 2 with a Flush !!

[@DannyBZ9]

No Tony Khan is

[@BigPoppaPun]

I've been watching wrestling since 1991 and didn't even hear Meltzer's name until 2015.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

I didn't hear of him until the 2010s and I have been watching since 96

[@springer90]

Al Snow vs The Head in 1999 was definitely a 7 star match!🤣

[@danielburger1775]

It had great ropework

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

If it was in the Tokyo Dome it would have been 9 stars 😅

[@jlstarr1984]

I'm 39, and have loved wrestling since 1987. I never heard of Meltzer until I bought my first smart phone and got on the internet. When I first heard the phrase Dirt Sheets, I thought people were talking about the Apter mags.

[@jeepernj99]

Dave is so out of touch with reality when it comes to professional wrestling. He hurts the business more than he helps it.

[@willglenn-bl9gm]

He really does, he starts shit amongst the boys with his gossip and fuckery

[@albalog2449]

It's weird, because in the 1990s Meltzer had a decent taste in All Japan (AJPW) wrestling, where it was all big strong guys & a show much like Vince McMahon Sr.'s "WWF on MSG Network" era. But ever since the 2000s, Meltzer has gone to liking skinnyfat flippy guys with no character. It really baffles me how Meltzer used to frequently give Vader, Stan Hansen, Dr. Death, etc. five star matches but now he give those same ratings to geeky wresters. He went from a Japanese casual fan to a Japanese smark.

[@seanpaul93]

love al's reaction, as it should be

[@datacipher]

Yep, even in the preview, I was laughing. As soon as moron said Seven stars it broke Al’s brain.

[@mickeyd8768]

Dave: "Seven Stars" Al: *facepalm*

[@Am0ment0fB]

There's an extra star awarded now for Ropework. Ha.

[@rockbottom8046]

Dave meltzer ruined wrestling

[@mauisean007]

Dave Meltzer didn’t ruin wrestling. The idiots that consider his ratings as the official scale ruined wrestling.

[@craigugulini3409]

Anything in the Tokyo dome is 5 stars

[@emperorburton]

The Rock vs Hulk Hogan got three stars.. and Kurt fucking Angle never had a five star match.

[@soulindenial5001]

Im surprised Kurt never got a 5 star, vs Michaels, Taker, Brock, even his run in TNA is noteworthy

[@arostwocents]

Rock v Hogan was only 3 stars 😂😂😂😂 the match you would show someone to show them how great pro wrestling is was only 3 stars 😂

[@Apocalypse3434]

When I read that Kurt Angle never got a 5 star match...

[@prestone.garrison4430]

"I can't see another 7 star match happening... (but if it does, Omega will be involved, and it will be in Japan.") 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟

[@tommymacartney]

The levels of narcissism in Meltzers comment is wild.

[@heezyhines2209]

I have no idea how anyone has allowed Meltzer to gain this much influence, authority, or whatever it is he has .. But it's extremely bizarre fam

[@thehmc]

The internet is full of stupid people and normalizing censorship has allowed them to create hugboxes. Then some doofs high up in the business decided that companies needed to pander to these dopey hugboxes.

[@heezyhines2209]

@@thehmc I hear u ..

[@drflexenstein3537]

Very bizarre fam. But I guess wrestling fandom is also bizarre.

[@12mrshaw]

My biggest annoyance in wrestling is Meltzer being acknowledged. He contributes jack fuck all of shit.

[@TaelerHendrix]

This! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@twk8520]

Al is a dying breed where psychology was everything. For this generation of wrestlers to think they are so much better is a trap. They can do so much in the ring the problem is many don't know why or when to do it. It's like watching a bad big budget movie that looks cool sounds cool but the story gets lost if there was one at all it lacks soul. Al was also was taught humility and respect he knew he wasn't the big draw but a very capable hand who knew what he was doing. Today it's all about ego many had it in the past as well. Difference of it Today is they have the ego but the sensitivity of a five year old. It can't go together well because it comes off as not real. Modern wrestling in a nutshell.

[@arostwocents]

Al knows it was about character too. Look at how he developed in ECW character wise and became completely loved as a result. Had he just stayed generic noone would remember him. These modern guys think their flips are more important than character. They're not. TNA always had good openers but there were few X division guys you liked or remember and the ones you do are the ones who had character not just floppy flips.

[@brainhakker7133]

Good Shit Pal !

[@chadfatson6002]

We’re taking about the guy who gave HBK vs Undertaker at mania 25 a 4.75 star rating, as soon as he said that people should have realized the guy is nothing more than a hardcore fan boy

[@sharronpeters7753]

He might have been there in person Like I was. The match was great, but far from perfect IMO. Are we talking about the first or second one?

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

​@@sharronpeters7753WM 25

[@arostwocents]

Story and heat should be able to score high. I've not seen that one but Flair v Taker is 4*, Rock v Hogan 5* for me. They had so much more than flippy a million kick out nonsense today

[@MrCopperpott]

Never get bored with listening to Al torch Meltzer & Khan lol

[@kevnsport]

This comment is a 2 1/4 star rating.

[@kidneystonermusic]

Dude, ridiculous. I know a 2 1/2 star comment when I see one.

[@kevnsport]

@@kidneystonermusic This reply has been approved by Dave Meltzer.

[@frod79]

You might as well consider it 3 stars!

[@AnsonBeeker]

Vince has got himself a nice little channel. He's doing good.

[@datacipher]

Poor steamboat and flare, a measly six stars. They don’t rate anymore.

[@arostwocents]

Meltzer has turned a mainstream entertainment to a tiny niche pursuit. Its tragic that TNA follow the Meltzer philosophy despite having the guys for a proper main event and having a history of a successful formula (Nitro style, story and character based, a long match was special, not constant - normal people dont want multiple 20 min matches constantly. A long term feud blowoff on Impact could be 20 mins, great. A lower card match with no story and no build should be maximum 5 mins)

[@arostwocents]

Only indies and RoH should have ever paid any attention to Meltzer. TNA's old style mixture of styles was perfect and actually drew an audience of people who weren't the hardcore obsessed niche)

[@Saltoftheearth008]

I always thought it was stupid to rate a match that everyone knows it’s obviously fake. It even looks more fake than it did 20 years ago when people were doing specials exposing it as pre determined. To me wrestling having a good story sells the match and then if the match has interest that makes it good. Just speaking as a fan my entire life. A good example is the bloodline storyline. It’s been excellent. I’m really getting tired of long spot fest matches in AEW. It’s turning me away.

[@paranoidewok6772]

Russo: "I'm no meth-matician" That would explain alot.

[@celebrategout1008]

rope work

[@bingeandgrab]

someone needs to do a doc on how meltzer came to power.

[@Adam-cr8qe]

If im val venis, and I have a 1 minute match with gillberg in front of millions, and I get a big paycheck and lots of fame... im taking that over getting a 7 star meltzer review for some ring of honor dark match where I got not much other than hurt and over exposed. The modern idea of wrestling is so incredibly dumb, it actually hurts peoples careers and their bodies. Some of the comments from the meltzer fans on here are quote remarkable. Let me put it simply, Meltzer is making all the money, the wrestlers are not. The Rock, Austin, Hogan, made an immense amount of money, why? Because they know 20 minute long wrestling matches every week and star ratings doesnt pay them. Viewership does, and real viewership is not wrestling fans, its a mainstream audience. Its a career to these people, and they are losing money doing 40 spots each match and not selling the audience a story

[@sharronpeters7753]

I agree, but I would rather be Undertaker HBK and get both.

[@alenton81]

Solid hand is Jeff Lane.

[@awilliams1084]

Lmao five stars don’t draw no money. This ain’t 1985, people wanna see a “great match” they can watch ufc or a boxing title fight and get a “great match” that’s actually real and has legit heat behind it lol the marks don’t get that, they think we have to watch fake wrestling or the world will stop.

[@jesterr7133]

Growing up as a young wrestling fan, I took Uncle Dave seriously and had a real interest in what he said about a particular match. I thought he knew something that I didn't. Since he partnered up with the Young Bucks and Omega, he has become a complete joke. His ratings are so biased that they are impossible to take seriously, especially when any of those guys are involved. It's clear that they have either worked them or they're paying him.

[@albalog2449]

Agreed and that's a similar experience to me. It's weird, because in the 1990s Meltzer had a decent taste in All Japan (AJPW) wrestling, where it was all big strong guys & a show much like Vince McMahon Sr.'s "WWF on MSG Network" era. But ever since the 2000s, Meltzer has gone to liking skinnyfat flippy guys with no character, and be heavily biased to New Japan (NJPW) and ROH, which are very different styles. AJPW still had great matches into the early/mid 2000s. Like when Jamal (pre-WWE Umaga) was cleaning house and feuding in AJPW with Kawada and Muto, Meltzer didn't give any of his work five stars, when Umaga in Japan was no different than say a Vader match from the 1990s. Yet at that time, Meltzer started giving CM Punk, AJ styles, Samoa Joe, etc. five star matches and started becoming a smark. It really baffles me how Meltzer used to frequently give Vader, Stan Hansen, Dr. Death, etc. five star matches but now he give those same ratings to geeky wresters. He went from a Japanese casual fan to a Japanese smark.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

​@@albalog2449He went from being the Roger Ebert of wrestling to the Rotten Tomatoes of wrestling.

[@jesterr7133]

I call the seven star rating the Young Bucks rating. Dave gives every Young Bucks match five stars, so he had to find a way to differentiate the matches he really liked from their regular matches

[@jesterr7133]

You really should have your guy find out how many times he has given a five-star rating to the Bucks

[@donnakleinschrodt3744]

I see two 5 stars undertaker and Shawn and I would say the rock and stone cold broth of these cards were great.

[@Unclejack328]

“20 minute train ride”.

[@REVAMPEDWRESTLING2K]

LOL!!!

[@billy9497able]

Some of his five star matches are deserving, some, but when you consider the fact that Kurt angle doesn’t have one five star match then that’s just crazy.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

Kurt Angle vs. HBK at WM 21 Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker at No Way Out 2006 are worthy of 5 stars

[@sharronpeters7753]

I agree, but that is just my opinion. If someone doesn't particularly like Asian food, no dish is likely to be highly reviewed. We are talking about one human being's sensory system and their emotional enjoyment of art. There is no wrong.

[@TheFinishedArticle]

What does everybody want?

[@jonmitchell9019]

Forget 7 Im going for a 7.5 now LOL!

[@guybroyles48]

Using the word "literally" out of context is one of my pet peeves. Al Snow said Meltzer literally had sex with a dog.

[@eranben-shlomo9856]

The question is are the two wrestlers Al Snow speaks about are from the 🇺🇸 or 🇯🇵. If they are from the later they can do know harm and the rating is 👍 as we learned from AEW, where 🇯🇵 must always win.

[@jesterr7133]

Lol. The Young Bucks have had more five-star matches in the last year than Ric Flair Ricky Steamboat had in their career. Hell, they even have more than Bret Hart

[@thesegafan4472]

Yeah and it drove away 200,000- 300,000 viewers

[@mikawhofan]

Well when you name a maneuver after him automatically 5 stars

[@BrotherWells]

this podcast gets a 10 star rating

[@TJMW2022]

I give the TLC match at WM17 a 10 star. How about those apples 😂

[@jeffery44]

Too funny Boss Man

[@theecharmingbilly]

It's not even his system. 🤣🤷‍♂️

[@Adam-cr8qe]

I didnt watch the 7 star match, which means there wasnt a buzz around it, which means the casual viewer doesnt care. Which ultimately makes it a 1 star

[@TheGreenGaze]

is al ok, he looked like he was about to faint lol

[@jamesgroover4643]

Dave broke the system!!! Be free Dave. You think it's worth 67 stars, so be it 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@AmanKumar-ct3eb]

I think that's somebody opinion to Look upto a match Quality.But I can't relate with the meltzer facts and his star ratings that kurt angle doesn't have any 5-star match.I mean come on,dude did he ever watch kurt angle vs the Undertaker at No Way Out 2006 which was way better than the triple threat match at mania 22.I think that's an opinion that we shouldn't take seriously and enjoy the wrestling bcoz it's all about the moments.

[@cnotes1790]

Brock Lesnar Vs Kofi Kingston was an 8 Star match

[@arostwocents]

If the quality was actually so great then people watching would go back to see the guys again. If they dont, they found it boring and stupid. A million kick outs, no selling, all tiny floppy guys. No actual main eventers anymore. No stories, no characters.

[@kdizzle901]

That 7 star match is the Kenny Omega match against the Japanese wrestler right? I’ve seen better matches in WCW

[@ericfrost7517]

Pointless rating system. A person that has never actually participated on a high level in a particular sport should not be taken seriously….I.e. Meltzer.

[@phillysfinest215]

Vince you're a very handsomee man

[@sfiv4527]

Jeff Lane = Salacious B. Crumb

[@guitarfreak4968]

Someone correct me I believe meltzer gave misawa vs Kawada 6/3/94 over 5 stars I could be wrong tho

[@papoblu99]

👏😂👏🤣👏

[@sharronpeters7753]

I think wrasslin fans/people who made careers in wrasslin...fighting with other fans/people who made careers in wrasslin...largely over how many stars were awarded to a match... is pretty sad, and also not good for the business. I think wrestling has so many companies, facets, and styles of wrasslin... things are flourishing pretty well if you take off your declinism-colored glasses lol. Google declinism, then WWE financials, Royal Rumble, and then the number of profitable wrestling companies in the world doing similar lol. Enjoy your flavor and spend less time trying to yuck other people's yums. It shows how unhappy you are deep down.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

Since Vince McMahon left and WWE is now under Triple H, it has become better

[@tonyjackson4078]

Stars mean nothing now. When Dave was critical, 3 stars was impressive. 7 stars? Go home Dave you're drunk.

[@danielburger1775]

Star ratings never meant anything

[@thehmc]

"Now?"

[@MJfp6lx]

The guys who screwed up TNA vs WWE are now critics of Meltzer and NJPW AEW

[@northleedspoppa]

Lol aew have as more 5 Star matches than WWE The top two are misawa (fair) and osprey Meltzer has been a joke since day 1

[@tys9610]

10 false finishes prob gets you an auto 4 stars

[@HollyKost]

Japanese wrestling is very slow paced with silly moments. Some may even think it's subpar.