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[@alanrcastro8580]

I love how Angeal sounds like he's reading the Wikipedia entry for "monster" instead of expressing his thoughts

[@MitridatedCarbon]

I think and hope the original Japanese dialogue made more sense and it got weird through localization.

[@toagradius8856]

@@MitridatedCarbon I could definitely see it working in a sorta sarcastic tone. Like he’s pointing out that he’s doing the typical monster things as a joke but deep down knows his reasons are genuine. But everything is delivered with exactly the same tone so it just doesn’t work

[@MitridatedCarbon]

@@toagradius8856 maybe in the original Japanese "monster" was more of a specific term which might works as a Japanese saying. Cause "revenge" and "world domination" despite being weird terms, they habe nothing to do with monsters.

[@AngraMainiiu]

Half the time it sounds like he's reading off of Wikipedia...

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

*_OXFORD'S DICTIONARY DEFINES "MONSTER" AS..._*

[@SmeddyTooBestChannel]

i now understand where all of the kids with gaia online accounts got their personality from

[@genoteh9706]

That hurt... But you're not wrong either

[@ImmaLittlePip]

You just took me back to the late 2000s when hot topic, GTA, shadow the hedgehog and gangsta rap and grunge were king of the world

[@BuruKyu]

omg is tartara colgada from tofu project

[@noaag]

@@ImmaLittlePip what are you talking about those are STILL king of the world, just that we now have goth gf, cowboy gta 2, and a torrential monsoon of sonic shitposts this has actually been a huge year for my guy Shadow as I have personally seen cool Shadow content from SnapCube, SuperMega, and of course Jehtt absolutely killing it on the edgy firearms enthusiast black hedgehog front

[@fauster2850]

@@ImmaLittlePip grunge was the early 90s...

[@Lyn685]

Angeal...I should've been the one to fill your dark Soul with LIIIIIIIGHT!

[@Matthew-jb4cc]

That line always gets a chuckle out of me.

[@CrystalRose1111]

When I grow old into a decrepit fossil that line will still be funny

[@masterseal0418]

Lol, DMC1 reference.

[@dragopy2410]

So glad I'm not the only one who thought of this

[@BeavisSaves]

WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@iBlewupthemoon98]

“Well then. What are they?” “Angel’s wings.” … “Bullshit.” [Angeal starts playing Nu Metal from his iPod]

[@HarrisBoe]

Angeal: “then what should an angel fight for, Zack?” Zack: “traditionally angels fight for our Lord, God in Heaven” Angeal: “odd, I don’t remember taking on a Jenova’s Witness as my apprentice.”

[@kabutomushigerman9852]

honestly i thought that this would actually happened but lol

[@lxxvx]

this deserves more updoots

[@MrMallard19]

And that's when Angeal punches him in the gut

[@Hwyadylaw]

Christis core

[@CapnShades]

"Jenova's Witness" I am so MAD that I didn't come up with that first.

[@TrappedInFloor]

I love melodramatic Japanese writing.

[@mushijian7839]

Playing JRPG Is like eating sushi. One time it's exquisite, two times it's fucking annoying. (And you just wishing that this piece of a shit second antagonist gets a shovel in his face by Geralt from Rivia and Tony Soprano, instead of forgiveness.)

[@Hwyadylaw]

The localisation really sells it

[@lordbauer5983]

Switching from Japanese to English turns this from “melodramatic anime” to “Jesse, what tf are you talking about?”

[@kingcrimson4133]

It sounds like an excuse but this kinda writing really does just sound better in Japanese, coming from someone who speaks it. It doesn't help that the translation work and the voice acting are both very clumsy.

[@darkscoutergamer6168]

Same I love it 🤣

[@CapnShades]

I am so glad they didn't change the timing. Zack's zero-hesitation "that's not even funny" is so damn hilarious no matter who's voicing him.

[@AfroRyan]

Angels dream of one thing: pizza pasta pepperoni.

[@chiffydragon]

This comment is full of dreams...and honor.

[@october1820]

@@chiffydragon And pizza pasta pepperoni?

[@iamabestcowVEVO_OFFICIAL]

@@october1820 And pizza pasta pepperoni.

[@Matt_19-89]

Do Angels dream of electric wings?

[@october1820]

@@Matt_19-89 Do Binyots dream about electric pizza pasta pepperoni?

[@jaydeng.3029]

I love the fact that all of these Jenova hybrids are just shedding constantly

[@burgbass]

Must be a lot of uncomfortable pin feathers

[@worldscoolestperson7672]

Such a whiplash from the high quality translation and dubbing of Remake back to mid-2000s squeenix schlock.

[@macuser7048]

Not even. The PSP game didn't even sound THIS BAD.

[@sdbzfan1]

Well remake is a modern script while crisis core has a script from the 2007 psp game one for one

[@wombocorp]

it's called kino

[@DarkButz]

@@sdbzfan1 Yeah, but you could make that script still work a bit better if the VAs didn't sound like they recorded the lines separately and with absolutely no context.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@DarkButz true Rick Gomez was the hightlight of the old dub

[@HarrisBoe]

They COULD have done a rewrite, but then it wouldn’t be Crisis Core

[@CarlMakesVideos]

Nomura actually had no writing credit on this game, if you can believe it. The voices and the timing really throw things off further too, make the already sort of disconnected dialogue there seem even more so.

[@PolyverseCube]

I don't know why people don't just play in Japanese whenever dubs are this awful

[@fenix0seraph]

I feel like most of the dumb bullshit in the Compilation of FF7 that people tend to blame on Nomura probably came from Kazushige Nojima. Nomura was more of an idea and general concepts guy, but Nojima was the scenario writer in charge of the execution which is where a lot of it fell on its face.

[@brycebitetti1402]

@FenixSeraph Both of them are masters at making the most basic interactions awkward and the most simple of plots convoluted as all hell. Put them together and you get FFVII Remake, the pinnacle of throwing just the _most_ into a story without thinking about the endeavor wholistically.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@brycebitetti1402 but 358/2 is the one with the most natural dialogue and the only one that is nomura written directly

[@paperluigi6132]

@@fenix0seraph hell, Nojima AND Sakaguchi wanted to kill off more than just Aerith in the original FFVII, and it was Nomura himself who reined them back.

[@onlinestonedogii]

They named him Angeal because he has angel wings. Angeal stands for angel but with an extra a

[@MichaelMacaw]

I love how Vinny’s reaction to this is laughing even harder than when he got to this part in the PSP version. It’s like how he loses it every time Dracula recites the Bible at the end of SotN.

[@gladiusbladeofthenorth9939]

Gongaga

[@Ashurman666]

Wrongaga

[@floatingbooks4058]

gongangel's wings...

[@BackwardsHat]

Work

[@MrShellbuster]

The original voice acting was so monotone and more controlled, this really does have that extremely over reactive tone. It's fucking hilarious

[@vincenthawthorne9360]

Whether you wanna argue the original English dub was bad or not it’s far better than this. The original voice at least actually tried.

[@eevee4]

​@@vincenthawthorne9360go back and listen to angeal's original english dub, they're both just different flavors of monotony (aka not really trying at all).

[@timothyfinn3619]

The voice acting is on par with Devil May Cry 1's “I should've been the one fill your dark soul with LIGHT!”

[@frengkygiovany5152]

Nah that was just one weird line mixed with a voice crack, this whole scene was terrible

[@cobrasix9575]

I liked the part where Zach said "Truly this is the Core of the Crisis." and then fell through the floor.

[@DeathKnight5608]

1:33 Imagine if Zack started crying like a baby right there on the ground, holding his gut.

[@FlameHidden]

That Zack voice just aint doing it

[@macuser7048]

Sounds like a worse actor reading lines on a script.

[@EdgeHeadFUHaters]

If they were gonna go with a new voice actor just snag Axel's VA from Kingdom Hearts and call it a day. Like god damn, Zack's new voice sounds like he just woke up from a coma.

[@RainbowCheesus]

I figured I'd get used to it with time but I just can't. Especially knowing how great his voice was in the PSP game.

[@RookieBalboa]

@@EdgeHeadFUHaters Axel’s VA was outed as a sex pest so kinda glad he isnt in this

[@SleebyRise]

@@RookieBalboa a few google searches seem to point towards those allegations being proven false

[@firstnamlastnam2141]

I can be your Angeal... ...or your Deviel...

[@Ro321chile]

Ff7: a story about caring for nature Ff7 expanded universe:

[@snatchr2451]

FF really lost something when Sakaguchi left.

[@budakbaongsiah]

@@snatchr2451 He hasn't been that involved in FF since FFV, though. Although XI was turned into an online game because Sakaguchi fell in love with Everquest.

[@fieryrebirth]

Vinny was losing his shit at this line in the original game stream too. I could tell he REALLY had to dial it back for this reimagining.

[@BlueLiminality]

Never thought I'd see an anime version of a Neil Breen movie.

[@shubhamnew]

the music and the pauses in the dialogue gave me hella Deadly Premonition vibes, which made this clip that much more hilarious

[@implord4197]

"So tell me Zach. Are you a fan of the Final Fantasy franchise? After we're done with this case, we can watch this new movie I bought... Final Fantasy: The spirits within..."

[@palientologist]

Holy shit this is kino.

[@pepsicola4718]

"WHAT DO ANGELS DREAM OF!?" Almost as bad as when Dante said "I should've been the one to fill your dark soul with LIGGGGHT!!!!"

[@js-ro5jk]

This scene perfectly sums up the overall experience of Crisis Core. Unintentionally hilarious and awkward

[@Tenji140]

this dialogue is a punch in the gut

[@Dragorosso95]

It’s not even Nomura’s writing, it’s Nojima’s…

[@fissilewhistle]

Nojumbo.

[@logandunlap9156]

close e-No-ugh

[@Maggot-Milk]

I'm glad final fantasy is going a different direction with its inspirations from The Room

[@FunkyGhost37]

Vinny losing it at the exact same moments as his first stream of CC is great.

[@islandboy9381]

The original and this should be put side by side the audio will sound the same

[@virtualdash]

Truly, the writing of all time

[@theotherjared9824]

Zack is just a regular guy dropped into the world of FF7.

[@shadowthephoenix1]

Everytime i see scenes from this game, whether being the remake or original, i just cant believe adults wrote this. It feels like the lead writer was actually an employee's 12 year old son.

[@mr__switch1825]

Tbf tho This does sound better in Japanese Not bcs of the voices but bcs what is said makes more sense in Japanese writing. That's why a lot of jrpgs have similar writing that seems cringe and weird for ppl in the west.

[@enricomugoy5869]

@@mr__switch1825 But FF7 isn't just some JRPG. Old JRPG has this mature and well thought writing. Yes, even in Japanese, FF7 OG dialogue is mature and they talk like people. This is just some melodramatic bs.

[@emmetthatcher9583]

"What ith it you're after, Douglath?"

[@XmodxgodX]

"I was just on my way to play catch with Skeeter. Why are you asking me that all of a sudden anyways?"

[@Zeppelee]

"Your grill."

[@rh.4ndu]

never in my life have i ever watched or played any final fantasy game, all i know of them is what gets talked and joked about during other streams. this just feels like a fever dream, especially when the game looks polished like this 😂

[@derpstick5467]

Same well I also know about the Tifa porn 😅

[@MisterPancake778]

I have like 1k hours in XIV and about halfway though I couldn't fucking take it anymore, and just turned on the Japanese voices and wallowed in my ignorance for the quality of the voice acting and just started speed reading text boxes, and yes there is some of this in XIV (although not anywhere as pronounced this) also they have English accents instead.

[@fugfiggen1536]

@@MisterPancake778 XIV's English voice acting is good as fuck in the expansions, what are you on?

[@MisterPancake778]

@@fugfiggen1536 I did not turn on english voices for the expansions so I will not debate that, that being said I have heard the voice acting for some of the raids/trials (ivalice raids in particular) and while theyre good, im perfectly content with my RPG weeb characters sounding like japanese people.

[@fugfiggen1536]

@@MisterPancake778 Oh, halfway through A Realm Reborn. That is much more understandable.

[@glitchmaster2672]

Nobunga? No! Me gongaga!

[@jkbobful]

Nojima was the writer of Crisis Core he also wrote Stranger's of Paradise

[@loading2463]

stranger of Paradise was a Master piece

[@JamienautMark2]

I understand part of Vinny’s love for this game is nostalgia. But seeing this I totally think Vinny would actually like Kingdom Hearts, it’s the same stupid yet amazing writing.

[@governor_explosion]

There’s a Hard Times article that points out that every dumb thing that happens in KH actually happened previously in some other FF game, it’s just that you REALIZE how stupid it is once the Disney characters show up.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@governor_explosion kh is supposed to be goofy tho, it's half a fucking Disney game, goofy dies as a joke

[@FROEZOEN]

Kingdom Hearts is dogshit if you didn't grow up with it. Zero exceptions.

[@JamienautMark2]

@@FROEZOEN When I say stupid but amazing it’s ironic enjoyment. Outside of 2 moments in the whole franchise that made me feel emotional, the whole series is like watching something like The Room. I’m amazed real people wrote some of the shit that happens.

[@Dakayto]

Kingdoms hearts writing was never amazing

[@Thaltas]

Jesus christ the voice acting director needs to be put off this. The voice direction here is abysmal, im so sad the VAs are gonna get shat on over someone who definetely didnt organize the dialogue properly. Makes the original dub sound like a miracle

[@jonathand.4088]

It kind of sucks for the new voice actors, because they have to match the exact timing and mouth movements of the original dub which really hinders their performance.

[@vacuumboots]

@@jonathand.4088 thats no excuse lol every anime has that issue and almost every localized game. VAs are trained to match lips and they get multiple takes, and the audio can be further edited. This was a hack job, albeit a hilarious one.

[@victorhugocostaesilva]

While that's true, this scene played almost the same way in the original. It's pretty faithful in its badness lol

[@cloudftw113]

In a way, the updates to the voice direction make the dialog worse. Because it's modern higher effort dubbing with early to mid 2000's lines of dialog. It creates this bizarre dissonance that's weirdly fascinating to listen to. Like with the Star Wars Prequels, it doesn't matter how good of an actor you are, sufficiently bad dialog can never be saved.

[@user-fl6ww3rs5q]

@@vacuumboots I think it’s a bit unfair to compare it to anime. Anime typically has very simple and minimal mouth moment it’s either O or _ pretty easy to match. But when it comes to video game cutscenes with more detailed expressions it’s quite difficult to match

[@TheShockVox]

It’s not just the writing. The right delivery can make even bad writing work. Zack’s old actor was charming as hell. New actor doesn’t deserve the shit he got online. But his inexperience was apparent

[@majorghoul9017]

Legit shocked that Angeal didn't just kiss Zach on the lips

[@DAFORCEFilms]

Nobunga-style action with writing by that genius Kojumbo.

[@FutaYuuta]

WHAT DO ANGELS DREAM OOOOOOOF???

[@J-Pow]

People are complaining about the new voice acting, but no delivery is going to save this writing.

[@Pokemen396]

Idk, the original was alright. Not great but how can you dub a remake without looking at the original scene and thinking *this* is better?

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

What is wrong with this? His mom fucking killed herself, and he's a mutant, I think he's allowed to act emo and zack tells him to not be stupid

[@PrincessNine]

Ah yes, the take of the century. "The dialogues still bad" So....like.....it's GOOD we have worse acting????? Most would opt to soften the blow not worsen it

@@PrincessNine yes, it's good that the voice acting is worse, fits better with the script

[@PrincessNine]

@ literally worse lines have been saved by great deliveries but okay. Fuck effort

[@otakamerd1220]

People complain about the dialogue and voice acting but Tomar is in this one

[@relientlykrazie6011]

Went back and rewatched Vinny react to this scene in the OG version and... yeah, the voice acting does sound better there than here, despite Angeal's monotonous delivery (which might have been what they were going for, he's so dry to compare to Zack's overzealous "puppy-like" nature/delivery).

[@naranara1690]

I'll never forget when Montezuma declared his revenge against Cortés and posthumously shit the ass of every conquistador. Truly one of the all time

[@OkamioftheRinnegan]

Between this and Birth By Sleep, I think there was just something about the PSP that really brought out the Nobunga in Nobunga.

[@masteroflight7296]

is Nobunga suposed to be Nomura? because he had nothing to do with the original Crisis core other then character design.

[@mrpingasman3079]

My god the voice direction

[@racerdawg86]

i bet to nobunga in japanese it seems ultra mega cool and deep

[@McManners100]

Angeal gets an angel’s wing. Its like poetry it rhymes

[@chuganoga1908]

I think the original voice actor presented the original script far better. Yeah it can be cheesy at times but who cares it’s a Japanese video game from 2007 just have fun with it. I personally loved this story and how they built Zack as a character and how they explored more into the lore from the FF7 universe.

[@dreamywolfdd]

0:47 its like a hyena and a goose enter a room at the same time

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

0:28 the line sounds like it's being read as a question.

[@kiyopawn]

I played crisis core before knowing anything from Ff7 and it was such a wild ride, I was like what the fuck.

[@SpookSkellington]

This is the level of writing you'd see in a bad gay porn, but nowhere near as funny. Then again nothing will ever be as funny as "throw me some numbers" or "it gets bigger when i pull it"

[@jaakarimiquel8473]

Embrace your dreams. Your deep dark fantasies.

[@Weebash14886]

@@jaakarimiquel8473 "Im sorry Zack -Sorry for what ? Your dad told you not to be ashamed of your dreams and honors, especially since your buster sword is such at good size and all"

[@SciontheDark]

Man. The OG Zack VA does such a better job. This guy sounds like he's holding his nostrils shut.

[@enricomugoy5869]

Better or not, the writing is still dog shite. You can't do much if the script is trash.

[@peckneck2439]

I'm happy that it didn't got a rewrite because it it did you couldn't easily replace new Zack voice actor with his old one lmao

[@ryanfrick2190]

He sounds like "🤓"

[@boomerangmonkey8263]

That script is Final FANCY!

[@benwilson936]

1:27 IM NOT GONNA SUGARCOAT IT

[@ZykonIGuess]

DAYYUUUUUUM

[@eckitronix]

Embrace the memes, and you'll relive your dreams. Also I know it's anime swordsmen in a sci fi world fighting over not realistically much but Vinny still over here channeling Zero's Traumatic Loss lmfao

[@SinisterShrink]

Never been into FF so I'm just gonna assume that is the Echo fighter for Cloud, aka Dark Cloud

[@typhoonmuscles1842]

You're more right than you think.

[@vanilla8956]

This feels written by AI

[@MMDTrxsh]

"World dominatio-" *_"That's not even funny, man!"_*

[@sokoTV2]

If you guys don't know, the english cast for this game is completely recasted from the PSP original. The Japanese cast is the same I hear, but they also rerecorded all the dialogue over there too.

[@NintendoFan7141]

Its really strange how the original English cast for FF7 got completely recast at some point despite some VAs even saying they were keeping their roles in Remake like a couple years before it actually came out, but every other language got to keep it's cast. Makes no sense to me why its just the English cast that got a complete recast.

[@_Cetarial]

@@NintendoFan7141They were ”too old” or something like that.

[@Super_Suchi]

What’s even weirder is that the original voice actors are still playing the characters in kingdom hearts

[@PrincessNine]

@@NintendoFan7141 the voice director is on some ego trip I swear

[@luigiboyinblu]

That’s right, I love Final Fantasy VII at its best AND at its worst

[@jaredberry4762]

Did my man Angeal just do Power Wave?!

[@daquaviousbingleton8633]

Its like the Agnus Redux cutscene from dmc4 but completely devoid of irony.

[@Markeplier23]

Me? Nobunga.

[@greatsaiyaguy8868]

John Mulaney sounding ass

[@butterlove1605]

Holy shit, you're so right

[@Sr_Santana195]

Oh the cheese

[@Glitch_Man42]

Something tells me the voice direction in this game is not good.

[@HamsterPants522]

something tells me there wasn't a voice director at all

[@hummingvoid7824]

Either the direction is bad or they intentionally make the voice acting as cheesy as the OG like Shenmue 3... for some reason.

[@matttumberman2191]

Nothing else out there.

[@thedingleberrybush6076]

Did...did they just The Roomify Crisis Core?

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

this is some amazing speening on the nose writing i've ever seen.

[@hooty8703]

This is popsicle stick tier writing

[@Filthma]

I'll admit I have more nostalgia for this game than possibly any game ever but... I swear, the original voice acting makes this dialogue work so much better. What is going on here maaaan?

[@lotus2001]

it’s called copium

[@OtherMomo]

this is why i dont play japanese games in english, its so hard to keep tone without re-doing the pacing of the dialogue of the WHOLE GAME's animations

[@OtherMomo]

wait i do play MonHun in english, the player call-outs are useful "IT'S TARGETING YOU!" okay ill stop mashing for a sec

[@arzfan29]

99% of them are good in English, this is a rare example of one that isn't super good

[@Moshca]

The original game had good voice acting

[@urbiznesnunuv6938]

Or the game is just shit

[@Oroxom3]

I only play some japanese games in english NOW. Dubs have improved a lot... but some cases are... qeird haha

[@Bessux]

I am working for Hollander now... Thank you for asking.

[@diegomedina9637]

No, Gongaga wrote this.

[@analogicparadox]

"A cinematic masterpiece" -IGNGNGG

[@CACOaugus1o]

I have the impression Angeal's lines were suposed to be delivered with sarcasm. But they just read the lines straightfaced.

[@thefireisonfire]

"Well then what are they?" Angels wings! "I see" might be the funniest poorly delivered line ive ever seen in a video game and i love it

[@isame731]

0:02 the tiger poster

[@red_dead_lex6173]

I personally LOVE this for this game

[@FlCl3000]

This powerful cringe hit me so hard when I was a teen It’s so hilarious but I still love it

[@sergioescobar1391]

Genius Nobunga

[@_black_bird]

Playing the remaster was my first time and my reactions were very similar

[@ashencometmom5291]

there are two kinds of people: -people who thought this was really cool as teenagers and now find it cringe -people who called it cringe as teenagers to look mature and are now ready to admit that they genuinely like it

[@eddyspaghetti6211]

The music LMAO

[@macuser7048]

It's the same theme from the original Crisis Core.

[@eddyspaghetti6211]

@@macuser7048 still, feels so silly

[@redstealth5106]

Free fallllllin' and I'm, free fallllllin'

[@-Poka-]

I don't mind with the new voice acting tbh, it gives me that early 2000s voice acting vibe and I like it

[@tenchimuyo69]

Even a lot of anime dialogue is more subtle than this. Not by much mind but still.

[@Fesax69]

This is some kingdom hearts writing

[@lordsaladito]

Guess who made both games

[@doghelm8514]

I mean, I think I get what they were trying to go for. It ties back to Angeal's constant preaching about dreams and honor, him not using his family's sword symbolizing those beliefs, the existential question of whether only humans are capable of having goals and dreams, Angeal forcing Zack to kill him to ultimately pass on his sword/dreams to Zack. Even all the angel talk actually amounts to something pretty emotional by the very last scene in the game with Zack reaching out. But man, I have to agree that those lines are so melodramatic in how they're written and delivered that the whole thing feels more like an impromptu theater play by first year philosophy students.

[@pimposki6232]

are there any japanese speakers here? please tell me this is just awkward localisation, like raiden's line about "the rain transformed" and snake's "you were the lightning in that rain. you can still shine through the darkness" in MGS4

[@Hwyadylaw]

It's a lot better in Japanese, but it's not as massive of a difference as in MGS4

[@sunshineskystar]

It's probably as painful as it is in japanese. They love this kind of writing for some reason.

[@YuckyRory]

The wings of an Angeal

[@EisenSMT]

Most bad voice acting comes down to direction. I can almost guarantee the actors were told to speak this way to convey that 2000s cheese