[Vinesauce] Vinny - Nintendo 64 Prototypes

[@Rick586]

Imagine being a kid who loves dinosaurs and getting Dinosaur Planet. 40 minutes in and you've only seen five dinosaurs, two of which you've had to watch die.

[@doclouis4236]

Imagine being a kid and getting Turok instead.

[@tannertadlock7741]

@@doclouis4236 a thousand or more screams can be heard

[@LuC-k777]

I was that kid though I was born a few years later I would have loved to watch and or play this

[@ianv.1470]

Imagine playing the god awful version they released.

[@ChReNiC]

Imagine being a kid who loves Star Fox and getting Star Fox Adventures 40 minutes in and you've flown your Arwing once, and it was for like a minute at best.

[@This-Was-Sparta]

"Publisher logo 1 (to be supplied)" Not sure why, but I really like seeing that for some reason. Gives an insight you'd otherwise never get.

[@ineedprofessionalhelp]

@@alberto_balsalm_ I was incredibly confused until I saw the profile pics

[@mayiwatchlater2699]

Gem

[@This-Was-Sparta]

@@alberto_balsalm_ Lmao, took me a second as well. Good stuff.

[@klimpomp]

My dude I think you'd really like to look at the notes left in game code by Devs. Often to other Devs or just about why certain bits are the way they are. Often offers an insight into the madness. I recall one being something similar to "this is stupid and awful way to do this but it's the only way that works."

[@mongrel_97]

@@klimpomp there's a block of code (algorithm?) in DOOMs source whihc has a comment by it just saying "what the fuck???" since they didnt really know what it did, but it was something to do with how walls are rendered to give them a 3D look. or something like that i forget the details.

[@SuperWiiBros08]

Why do cancelled/prototype N64 games look so awesome and unique and fun

[@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143]

Well, Miyamoto told Rare to change this one into a Star Fox game since they knew that Rare was going to Microsoft, so they wanted their last IP to be a Nintendo franchise so Microsoft could not take ownership of the game. This game was meant to push the boundaries of the N64, and people were agog when they saw this game at E3.

[@monotonecthulhu6709]

Because if you're being honest, the majority of n64 games aren't good and its just exciting to see n64 games that could've been

[@ronindebeatrice]

They look a lot better when they're not blurred messes: i.e. when they're running emulated.

[@Degdreams]

@@braydenleaderofthetirkins1143 Sounds far fetched and scummy... definitely something Nintendo would do.

[@racheltiffany9892]

That's why they got cancelled, too much fun

[@Tinlion09]

I like how Fox sounds like even _he_ knows he was shoehorned into Dinosaur Planet. He crashed there, realized the planet was still medieval-level, and came up with the "royal knight of Lylat" thing to play along when someone handed him the magic sword or whatever.

[@DracoHandsome]

Well, it _is_ midway between the original, not-Fox concept and Miyamoto going "NO IT'S FOX, MAKE IT FOX"

[@Cyber_Akuma]

That line sounded lower quality than the rest to me (though it might have been because of an audio effect they applied to him being in a cave) which makes me wonder if that line was re-recorded so he can say his name is Fox while all the rest of the lines were originally Sabre's.

[@renakunisaki]

They definitely did a search and replace to Fox and Lylat System.

[@Meme_Lor]

Not really relevant but do people like the on foot parts of Star Fox Assault?

[@midnightowl8692]

@@Meme_Lor i did but if we could have a slightly changed control scheme would been better. Sauria mission on foot was a pain

[@wantedwario2621]

15:57 Vinny manages to not only be completely oblivious to all tutorials, but he also manages to break the game in a way that not even the Dinosaur Planet bug team, who has been playing the leak since day one, had found.

[@jazz8000]

I think he solved the puzzle before the game actually wanted the player to do so.

[@wantedwario2621]

@@jazz8000 The puzzle was completed, but the object that was "holding down the switch" wasn't on it correctly, so it was playing the sound, but wasn't on it in a way to hold down the switch, so it was just playing the puzzle solved sound so much that it crashed the game.

[@stevethepocket]

Making mistakes on purpose is hard.

[@AirshBornely]

Don't mean to be all "You're fucking wrong" but many people were aware of this bug before Vinny did it. Myself included. I was laughing even he encountered it

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

Dinosaur Planet is such an impressive game, I wonder if it would've "saved" Rare and kept them with Nintendo. It's impressive that we even got the dumps of them to begin with. Holding out for that Mother 3 N64 build...

[@DCBiscuit]

Probably not, they still turned it into Star Fox Adventures. It was advanced for the N64 but on the GameCube it was just middling. Maybe without the Star Fox name on release, it would’ve had an easier launch since no one really had any expectations.

[@weepingblade]

@LetsPlayNintendoITA Apparently mupen 64 ,works well for textures

[@DCBiscuit]

@LetsPlayNintendoITA I think it a lot on the prototypes get some of the massive issues fixed by modders. Texture flickering, unplayable glitches, audio issues, etc. At least that’s how Glover 2 was done a couple months ago.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Nintendo said they weren't interested in buying Rare. So not very likely.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@DenkyManner From what I've seen. Dinosaur Planet is very impressive. I've seen pretty much the whole game now. Its massive compared to StarFox Adventure.

[@ColonelCorson]

It's so cool that we're able to experience these snapshots in time and see how games changed as they were developed.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Hey Fam I know you from the Facebook Groups, Smash Ultimate Hell, FE Critposting, and many others!

[@Hopecho]

I wish they did this with all games. Makes you appreciate the hard work more, they put into these games. I know I’ll be doing this in the future when I’m making games.

[@DoitForTheLolz1]

@@Tsukiru If it were music, they'd have every version and remix on a deluxe edition or compilation by now lol.

[@lordsquid6652]

Ayy wholesome Cory!

[@Hopecho]

@@Tsukiru You have a valid point. I fully agree with this. Also, I wish you all a happy day :)

[@classymarowak7001]

It's like lookin' into a parallel universe where we didn't lose Rare and Dinosaur Planet.

[@samuelg7673]

The ending of Starfox adventures made me so angry as a kid. I went through all that stuff, and the ancient beings who existed there since the beginning of the planet turned out to be andross hole time. That was such nonsense I never replayed it.

[@Zangelin]

@@samuelg7673 Thats.. not what happened lol

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@@samuelg7673 It wasn't that the Krazoa had been Andross the whole time, it's that Andross used Fox freeing the Krazoa as an opportunity to steal their power and become one himself.

[@RalphInRalphWorld]

What, you don't like Viva Piñata?

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@OtakuUnitedStudio Still lame af. Anytime Nintendo pulled a last-minute copout like that in any of their games, it was lame. Ganondorf in Twilight Princess is another example of this.

[@herosshade2247]

First ten minutes of Dinosaur Planet feels like it was written by AI Dungeon. Krystal is flying on a pterodactyl mentioning a wizard and a floating mountain, and all of a sudden a flying ship with a living dinosaur head shows up, a giant lizard man busts through a door, makes some threats, grabs a cage and is struck by lightning, screams in pain but then laughs and teleports away. Are we just not even gonna talk about that whole incoherent sequence?

[@DPedroBoh]

"A lizard despot named scales" would be a very normal thing for AI dungeon to come up with, at this point.

[@SwizzleDrizzl]

"Grabs a cage and is struck by lightning, screams in pain but then laughs and teleports away" is super AI dungeon

[@Interference22]

Regarding The World is Not Enough: is that.. ragdolling in an N64 game? That's fairly impressive.

[@powergannon]

Interesting how both bond games had novel enemy death animations since Goldeneye used mocap.

[@daveface69]

No, there's no way the N64 could handle that. They just used ragdoll physics (from the looks of it) to create the animations.

[@Z64sports]

@@daveface69 Handle mocap? Goldeneye used mocap I know. I've seen it

[@sneezebiscuits7239]

@@Z64sports Well it also ran like shit so no it couldn't handle ragdoll.

[@daveface69]

@@Z64sports No one's talking about mocap, the comment was about ragdoll physics. Mocap has nothing to do with the hardware animations are playing on, it's just a way to create said animations.

[@d0pesmoker]

this is one of those elite vinny videos that are perfect to watch before bed, this one gonna take me a week to get through

[@LolaliciousSmiley]

Dude I always fall asleep. I use Vinny's jokes as markers to see how much I really watched, but I usually rewatch something that made me laugh and then just rewatch the whole thing.

[@fivesidedpixels4991]

NonBilly Bardy same, I usually can’t remember how far in I was so I just use vinny’s topics as markers

[@largenstonesea]

It's only 2 hours long lol. Try watching the seven hour edit of Jerma's Dark Souls playthrough.

[@knoxrobbins]

The fact that we have a build of Dinosaur Planet on hand and people are working on reverse engineer into a more playable form soon is kind of a miracle. A lot of what Vinny played on stream is very close what was polished for Star Fox Adventures but there's charming the way it plays and looks thru the N64 hardware. The fact that it was near complete anyway kind of makes me wish they finished what they had and released it on both systems, even with the major performance differences.

[@JacobKinsley]

I love how krystal is just British girl shouting and that's her whole voice

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Full volume, all the time.

[@murpaderp8461]

I honestly like it.

[@malikoniousjoe]

British neighbor yells general advice at you through the window [ASMR] Roleplay (Dinosaur ambience)

[@JacobKinsley]

@@malikoniousjoe your British sister's friend who's played the game before backseats the entire game for you because you're too young to figure it out yourself

[@nyxologymedia4136]

Show Joanna Dark's voice actress some respect

[@shadowwake19]

Vinny: skips 10 seconds of tutorial >proceeds to spend a full minute trying to figure out how to do what tutorial explained

[@GrubbyWubby]

this isn't 4chan

[@warbossgegguz679]

Who do you think you're watching? Lol

[@wohdinhel]

@@GrubbyWubby everything is 4chan if your scrotum is hairy enough

[@warbossgegguz679]

@@wohdinhel H-... How do you shave your scrotum, sir? Cause I don't think most sane men would use a razor on their balls.

[@sneezebiscuits7239]

@@wohdinhel What's wrong with hairy scrotums

[@supersnackbros2423]

I have a theory as to why Fox is called Sabre and his profile looks nothing like him. He was probably supposed to be a wolf as an homage to one of Rare's earliest releases: Sabre Wulf for the MX Spectrum.

[@AirshBornely]

Yeah. Sabre a wolf and Krystal was suppose to be a cat I believe. Also the "Royal Knight" is part of Sabre original dialog, so that's why its weird Fox is calling himself a Royal Knight of the Lylat System.

[@powergannon]

The trivia going around was always that Miyamoto asked Rare to convert Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox game because he saw that they were using a fox protagonist, but it’s possible that part of the story isn’t true.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@@powergannon if it's not true, then even Nintendo was wrong about it back then.

[@alfiehicks1]

@@powergannon He just "saw the similarities" between Dinosaur Planet and Starfox. He was probably just shown the first half an hour of gameplay and saw the anthropomorphic animal characters and the on-rails 3D aerial shooter segment and offered the Starfox IP to them. The team at Rare probably said yes because they knew a Starfox game would already have an established audience, so it would probably sell better than a new, non-Nintendo IP. It's a shame, really. The developers should have had more faith in themselves to create a successful original game - what they have here looks like it could have been good on its own.

[@dr.velious5411]

@@alfiehicks1 It was either, continue on on with the project in it's original state, or change to the Starfox ip to build their relationship with Nintendo, and they were gearing up to sell the company so...

[@DQBlizzard_]

Regarding the Lost Woods not having trees, they are unloaded since they actually made the game lag. In the map editor you can see the entities are there, but are not set to anything.

[@diegomedina9637]

Yup. Putting in actual Tree actors would cause the N64 to instantly crash upon loading the area.

[@blazzzeboy]

I can't believe vinny didn't notice the crosses on the gravestones at 1:32:15, he talks about the cross and religious implications in Hyrule in one of his Zelda 2 runs and its weird to see it present all the way up to Ocarina of Time

[@warbossgegguz679]

Japan doesn't really have christianity outside of small pockets like Nagasaki, so it's seen in the same mystic light westerners see eastern religion/philosophy over there... but they also don't have evangelical Shintoists, so unfortunately they felt the need to change that shit when they localized it. Ironically, a lot of christian zoomers and zoomer converts (myself included) find stuff like the religion in Dragon Quest and Christian elements in Zelda to be cool rather than "sinful". At least CV didn't change anything... until they let a neckbeard fedora write the anime 🙄

[@KOTEBANAROT]

@@warbossgegguz679 good thing they changed it, zelda has its own really cool lore, crosses feel so generic

[@AirshBornely]

@@warbossgegguz679 Yeah I've always found crosses in video games to be cool. Especially NES Link shield.

[@warbossgegguz679]

@@KOTEBANAROT except integrating christianity into European folklore would be something that hasn't really been done in videogames... despite Arthurian lore EXPLICITLY referencing catholicism. Please name me another game that really does that before you tell me it's "generic"? You've got Dante's Inferno and...

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@@warbossgegguz679 It's less they felt like they needed to change it when they localized it than it is that Miyamoto in particular decided to take the series in a different direction. Christianity was the de facto intended religion up until about halfway into the development of A Link to the Past, and there is a picture of Link kneeling in front of a crucifix used as promo art for it that slipped through. Ocarina of Time likely just used a generic texture for the gravestones that got replaced when the stones themselves got redesigned. They were likely never intended to be the final design, unless it's a holdover from when OOT was going to be a recon reimagining of Zelda 2.

[@ChaoticPochi]

rare has a whole smorgasbord of games at different dev builds due to the consoles they were being developed for swapping so many times. for example kameo was produced for the n64, then the gamecube, switched over to xbox because microsoft, and then finally got reworked to be a xbox360 launch title. dinosaur planet is such an amazing leak but i cant imagine just how many different builds they have of games for all sorts of consoles. hope we get to see more of them one day.

[@stevethepocket]

Geez. All that dev time and it still turned out just meh.

[@ChaoticPochi]

it was the microsoft buyout that really hindered it imo. it was originally a pokemon-like monster rancher game where you grew and trained the elemental dudes but microsoft wanted it to be an action beat-em-up, and then pushed for rare to have it released alongside the 360. not a 100% accurate recounting of its dev history but it's the gist of it

[@hostiusasinhostilityhostil7853]

@@ChaoticPochi That's a real shame, a mons game created by Rare of all people sounds amazing.

[@travosk8668]

That ice level in dinosaur planet looks amazing.

[@powergannon]

Rare were absolute masters at the N64 hardware. No one else but Nintendo had atmospheric lighting effects like the later Rare games

[@nickm5419]

@@powergannon Rare were absolute masters at the N64 hardware? yes they were and i want them to make another Banger on N64 :(

[@dan_loeb]

Fun fact about twine (the world is not enough) on the n64, it's one of very few (potentially the only) n64 game to use mp3-like audio compression instead of adpcm. It's not entirely regular mp3, it's compression is different, but it's licensed from the mp3 codec creators iirc

[@ShimiDia]

l know Perfect Dark is one other game that used MP3 audio.

[@dan_loeb]

@@ShimiDia oh yeah! Completely forgot that one used it too. It's really interesting how developers managed to push the cart size limitations on the last few years of the n64's life.

[@takeoutfromchina3166]

I'm glad that we finally have Dinosaur Planet, and I'm hoping the long term sees fan content (and prior works) continue the marriage between the two. Maybe we'll see a day where the narrative issues of DP and the gameplay issues of SFA fixed into a cohesive game. After all, I can understand the predicament of this game's development and the likely outcome if it had stayed on the N64. The transition to the Gamecube and franchise was probably made by Rare Higher-ups to keep the company afloat, but as time would have it Nintendo forgot to update the brand agreement. Overall this game was the victim of time and place leading to a rushed final release; only if we had gotten the SFA beta. I'll leave the future of both series up to passionate fans, and maybe we can get something that surpasses the vision Rare had.

[@darktrooper6857]

Shoutouts to that part of the stream where Vinny rants about James Bond and actually loses his mind

[@jopdancing7320]

timestamp ?

[@PyroSirBrad]

From the looks of the beta water temple it seems that Link was supposed to start at the bottom, fill the dungeon up with water, and get to the top so he could face the boss. Also the guard rail for that bridge seems to be using the texture of the water temple doors in the release version of OoT's water temple. The things I would do to be a fly on the wall at Nintendo during this game's production.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

So this prototype is when they started changing Sabre to Fox

[@tannertadlock7741]

Probably the first build that had his voice acting finished, but no one elses

[@DolusVulpes]

@@tannertadlock7741 I'd argue the voice acting wasn't completely finished, since there's still a few dialogue inconsistencies with the final product. Like Fox claiming to be a royal knight, for example.

[@tannertadlock7741]

@@DolusVulpes I think it's a cover. I don't think he's actually a knight.

[@KOTEBANAROT]

@@tannertadlock7741 he is actually literally a royal knight, Krystals childhood friend and Randorn's son lmao. There is NO Star fox elements in this build beyond the model. He is so fully Sabre in this build it was fairly easy to recover his OG model.

[@WllKiedSnake]

Sabre is still in the game. You get a disguise later on which glitches out and turns you into the Sabre model.

[@Mynestrone]

for MONTHS if not years: Dinosaur Planet would be a holy grail find and amazing to play. It would be better than starfox adventures. *10 minutes later* god, can I stop now?

[@stevethepocket]

"There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it." - Oscar Wilde

[@Tinlion09]

25:43 Jerma's fans when he says or does literally anything:

[@smgeezus7186]

For as much as I love Jerma, I do hate to see him get surrounded by a fan base.

[@ShenDoodles]

@@smgeezus7186 Isn't it a good thing for a streamer to build a fanbase?

[@Dougie-Jones]

@@ShenDoodles is that really the type of fanbase Jerma deserves? Fuck me I might as well watch xQc for the same experience....

[@Tinlion09]

@@ShenDoodles Jerma's fanbase is _riiiight_ on the verge of turning toxic, imo. They're already taking heat for overusing the "when the imposter is sus" meme, but if you watch his streams...idk, they give me this weird, unnecessarily antagonistic feeling. Poking fun at Jerma has always been part of the fun, but lately, they've been taking that role way too seriously, and sometimes they overstep in a way that ruins the humor. For instance, watch the 2ndJerma House Flipper highlight video that introduces the _GAS_ joke. (It's the title of the video, you can't miss it.) Two-thirds of the way through, Jerma takes up a challenge from chat to play Deal Or No Deal and have his winnings taken off The Debt (which is a whole nother YT comment essay worth of weirdness sometimes). Jerma wins a decent amount on the first round, then goes "double-or-nothing" on a second play and completely invalidates it, and that's really funny. He has a _thing_ with gambling, he knows it, chat knows it, but this was a web version of the game with no real risk or investment, so in the end it's all in good fun. Then afterward, someone tells him something along the lines of "post 'I have a big dumpy' on Twitter to nullify the Deal Or No Deal losses, or the debt is doubled!" You can tell that even Jerma is kinda weirded out by this one; after reading it out loud, he quickly and quietly says that he's not opening Twitter just to embarrass himself, and moves on. Think about it. Where the hell did this come from? The Debt doesn't even work like that. You can't just declare that he'll be penalized for not doing something he didn't agree to beforehand. Where's the fun in that? Everyone was having a good time, and then this dude came in and pushed it a little too far and spoiled the moment. I guess what I'm saying is, Jerma's adversarial relationship with his chat is a double-edged sword. On one hand, Jerma _is_ often hyperbolic, and he tends to make snap decisions that could bite him in the ass later on, and Chat getting to call him out and make him do what he promised to do usually makes for a pretty good straight-man-funny-man routine. On the other hand, sometimes Chat takes that role too seriously, and there's a fine line with that kind of comedic relationship where you have to avoid going too far, because then it's less "haha we made the monkey dance by dancing along" and more "dance or you get the shock prod." And this is just one particular problem they have; I'm not going into them overusing the "sus" meme or telling other streamers who aren't in on the joke to "sing the raid/subscribe/new-viewer song." Okay thank you for reading my Jerma essay. I'm the giant rat, coffee cheetos chicken, AA EE OO, etc. Please have a nice day.

[@Nobutehuhh]

@@Tinlion09 The fan base as a whole seems to be getting too manic. All the clip titles freak me out. Hope things chill a little bit lol.

[@bobble13345]

Hopefully one day the prototype for Earthbound 64 leaks

[@EmeraldZion]

Dinosaur planet reminds me of PS1 Spyro also when the framerate runs smoothly on that ice planet it honestly looks like an early ps2 game wow

[@classymarowak7001]

Ocarina of Time (Zelda 64) did originally start as a "3D reimagining" of Zelda 2. This is why a good chunk of beta stuff has elements in a similar vein to Z2. (Graveyards and such.)

[@renakunisaki]

I think one of the first dungeons made for OoT was a remake of the first dungeon of Zelda 1. But it was probably only meant as a test, not intended to appear in the final game.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Vinny repeatedly exploding Link's knees was giving me terrible vertigo. I already had trouble with that in Monster Hunter, and you don't even take fall damage there.

[@AshaTheGameGenie]

10:48 I feel as though that entire cutscene segment was meant to be where youd see the opening credits (Rareware Logo, Devs, Title Card Etc.). But thats just my guess.

[@vextrex68k]

Vin, Dinosaur Planet runs at significantly higher frame rates on real hardware, especially at the Saber racing segment. Emulators have a lot of issues running a prototype like this.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Has anyone actually made a physical cart to play on real hardware?

[@microgamestation]

@@OtakuUnitedStudio People have used flash carts.

[@escaperoutebritish]

Seeing empty areas like those in the Ocarina of Time beta actually makes me feel a little, like, sick in the bottom of my stomach. Does anyone else get that? I also get it a ton in VR if I manage to go out of bounds.

[@escaperoutebritish]

It's like a, "I shouldn't be here" major anxiety feeling.

[@BareBandSubscription]

What the fuck are you guys talking about?

[@NunofYerbizness]

I still think it's too early for me to think it, but I think 2021 is gonna be _the_ year of video game preservation. We ended up getting a good handful of holy grail stuff so far, and I can only wonder if that pace will be kept up throughout.

[@stevethepocket]

The year of video game preservation will be whatever year we finally stop Nintendo from taking down everything that looks at them funny.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Dinosaur Planet would’ve been so amazing even without the Starfox characters, Miyamoto was slick In realizing the inspiration it took from Zelda and decided to make it Starfox Adventures, but in exchange it probably wouldn’t have got much recognition due to not having the Starfox Brand and probably would’ve fallen into obscurity, they made great use of the GameCube’s power in the world and environments, even Fox and Krystal’s Fur. Dinosaur Planet on it’s own would’ve rivaled Ocarina and Majora’s Mask.

[@WilfredCthulu]

Adventures itself could've probably been a lot better and well regarded as a separate genre for the series if they didn't bother wasting time to shove in the Arwing just to try to trick people and be like "Ha ha noooo it was always star fox nothing more

[@AirshBornely]

What would've helped is if Fox crashed landed on DP, so they wouldn't have to shoehorn Arwing segments in and break off parts of the planet. Of course you still run into issues with Fox replacing Sabre since Randorn is suppose to be his father and all.

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

Hell it's better without star fox because it was allowed to create its own mythology

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@@WilfredCthulu Nintendo was pretty open about the fact that it shifted from an original IP to Star Fox even back then. They didn't really try to "trick" anyone into thinking it was "always" a Star Fox game. They talked about the early builds (pre-Fox) in Nintendo Power.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@@RoyalKnightVIII A lot of the mythology from the original build was carried over into Star Fox, so it wasn't really hampered in that regard.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

I really hope someone mods Sabre back into Dinosaur Planet... even if he still calls himself Fox McCloud, the Royal Knight of the Lylat system.

[@KOTEBANAROT]

Already have, theres a patch available on Dinosaur Planet Finders Club discord server

[@JomasterTheSecond]

@@KOTEBANAROT BASED.

[@MondoMurderface]

I understand the appeal of PS1's graphics. But N64 had some games that blew away anything on the PS at the time. Conker especially.. That game looked like a gamecube game almost.

[@triton199]

n64 had like 3x the processing power of the psone. some of the real late era n64 games werent far off the quality of early ps2 games, aside from the babby 4k texture limit lol.

[@elb0w]

Can you fucking imagine if we had gotten the disk based n64 like jeez it would've been gooooood

[@lazy_figetspinner_from2228]

What if there was a nintendo game called spaceworld with a museum of nintendo games from spaceworld

[@TeruteruBozusama]

That'd be awesome... Spaceworld was also a Norwegian game store, they were really awesome in the early 2000s. But as online shopping became popular, they said that too many would buy online and... Gave up... So they started focusing only on phones, sound systems, and a handful of the newest PS4 and xbone games before going bankrupt... They more or less killed themselves... In Oslo they had a huge store! A retro floor, previous gen floor, 2 floors with current, and an import floor. I miss it...

[@gavinojames1]

i wish

[@elb0w]

Honestly? I kinda like n64 krystal's design wayyyy better. It's simple and cute. not cute in the way that people have come to think about krystal, but like... cute in that it'd make a good plush toy, or that she'd be fun to draw. I think starfox's design sensibilities were unbecoming of her (literally i guess) Like, she looks a lil wonky, but its an n64 rare game. she's a silly lil animal character

[@EthVortexShield]

A design that didnt kill a franchise.

[@Kazooples]

I’m almost in tears seeing the old hyrule field, I remember seeing screenshots when I was little and I was definitely one of those kids who believed you could find the triforce in the game, it’s so cool seeing assets from back then

[@Dinofly4]

7:22 "General Scales. Hicoh, k0hudk udt taskukeh ev Dinosaur Planet."

[@CrimsonKobaNakirigumi]

Nxuk rhadwj 0ei ke m0 nehct?

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

I find it extremely weird how they didn't translate proper nouns, even if the individual common words that make them up were. Planet and dinosaur both had dino speak translations, yet Dinosaur Planet didn't?

[@LootandScoot]

Beep boop meow

[@renakunisaki]

Why does he start by just saying his own name anyway? It makes it seem like he's calling Krystal General Scales.

[@diegomedina9637]

Krazoa Palace!

[@smcb9979]

It's crazy just how HUGE some of those beta Zelda 64 maps are. You can really see the DNA for the ideas that would later become Breath of the Wild, they always had "big open world" ambitions I wonder if that's even what led to Zelda design stagnating a bit after OoT - trying to develop that game maybe led the team to conclude such an idea was impossible on current tech, and then they hesitated to go for it in later games

[@laziestoldman]

Its crazy that they even had the idea for taming wild horses even then. And you might be right, they teased a huge world again with Twilight Princess and it didn't fully work out even then.

[@TeruteruBozusama]

The first Zelda game is as open world as they could make back then..!

[@smcb9979]

@@laziestoldman yeah, it does kind of go in a cycle - OoT and TP both took stabs at proper open-world but had to trim that ambition, and then were followed up by MM and SS, which have more tightly designed worlds and more linear expectations. and then in the middle there's Wind Waker, which uses the ocean as a design mechanic to allow true openness at the cost of interesting world design and fun traversal this is a bit of an aside, but seeing this stuff has me even more stoked for BOTW2 and beyond now - if BOTW was the culmination of game-design ambitions the Zelda team had been nursing for TWENTY YEARS, I have a gut feeling that they're gonna get even wilder with the lore and ideas now that they've finally figured out how to make what they've always really wanted to do!

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@@laziestoldman The main issue I think was Twilight Princess had a huge Hyrule Field but very little worthwhile in it. Sure, there are some collectibles and chests but for the most part there isn't really anything to explore.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@@smcb9979 35 years. They've always wanted Zelda to be huge.

[@jonahabenhaim1223]

16:14 congratulations You’ve Solved a CORRUPTION

[@flipparty8533]

Fingers crossed for the Mother 64 demo to be leaked sometime soon as well.

[@Dejones95]

This is amazing just imagine if all the prototypes before the final release of every game was available to the public now that would be so awesome. This is very cool Vinesauce Vinny you did it again dude you are incredible man 😎

[@arciks11]

That 007 prototype had some impressive tech going. And even at solid framerate. Unless Emulator improved performance for some reason.

[@nyxologymedia4136]

I know it MAY never happen without dedicated fans, but my hopes are on Twelve Tales somehow being re created and released as a rom, playable via an n64 emulator. Just gonna hold onto this dream like I have for 20 years.

[@nyxologymedia4136]

@TARZ676: game developer: astrology of the godz Thank you! I actually asked Chris Seavor if it was okay for me to make Twelve Tales into a bfd sequel, and he said "Go for it." Now, nothing is stopping me..

[@Makocat]

26:45 So this is the new Starwars character I've been hearing about.

[@diegomedina9637]

I love Maclanky.

[@itryen7632]

Miyamoto is a furry, this was how he vented it.

[@ryanclemons1]

Does Japan even have furries?

[@genyakozlov1316]

@Rinze Morino Subjective.

[@That_One_Xatu]

​@@ryanclemons1 Considering how even cavemen created art of anthropomorphic man/animal hybrids, I think the better question is: what human society on Earth doesn't contain furries?

[@ryanclemons1]

@@That_One_Xatu lol caveman furries

[@doclouis4236]

@@That_One_Xatu That's some delusional thinking right there. Not every culture that incorporates animals and humans or human animal hybrids into their art or mystical views on life as today's definition of "furries". At least not old ancient societies like the Egyptians is what I mean.

[@fnln3011]

1:31:39 didn't expect the fall of castle town to be quite that fast

[@cola98765]

27:55 this is *not* how SF:A started, but I don't think we've seen that shuttle before except final scene. I remember playing that game around 2012 and I was completely surprised to see what appeared to be Destiny Shuttle from SG:U. Also 29:24. So you are saying that he was supposed to be a wolf?... interesting... 36:36 that music, is in the soundtrack (SnowHorn Wastes) but it's hard to find it on YT, as it's purged for that regularly.

[@PinkuPeachy]

losing my mind every time the dinosaur planet demo uses that sound effect that's also in Metroid Prime

[@lethauntic]

1:29:12 I'm genuinely curious about this. How many of us have played a childhood game several times after... You know, being a child, yet retained 'nostalgia'? There are games that used to be that way for me, but I've played them many times over the years. So while I still do have special memories affiliated with the game and all that, it doesn't give me that patented "nostalgia feeling" that you normally would get. I guess that Vinny hasn't played the original Ocarina of Time in a long, long time to still be nostalgic about it, though.

[@PoppySquidJr]

There are game's I've replayed nearly every other year or so... still nostalgic every single time. Hell I have nostalgia for New Vegas, and I was in high school when I first played it and replay it *more* than once a year lmao

[@awildcommenter7240]

I’ve been waiting for this

[@simon-ricardokuhn1713]

Dinosaur Planet kinda reminds me of Drakan. Drakan is such a legendary game which unfortunately got forgotten...

[@0KylePrior0]

1:36:37 Idk why but the sound-chunks he emits, during the speed up when he falls off, crack me up so extraordinarily muchfully.

[@fireglo450music]

26:20 "Hello, Mr. Volcano!" "Good Morning, Tyrannosaurus Allen!"

[@WDWatameVirus]

By far my favorite Vinesauce stream of all 2021 for now, currently rewatching it for the 6th time I think, I always have loved so much Beta/Prototyoe things and watching Vinny trying them is amazing, I really hope he does this again one day, when more things are found during leaks or inside internet's vault

[@mikotoh]

hot take i think i prefer krystals dinosaur planet design

[@KayneArcheron]

I like everything about Dinosaur Planet more, honestly. Has way more of that 80's / 90's dark fantasy vibe you'd see in something like a Jim Henson or Don Bluth movie.

[@stevethepocket]

24:58 Speaking of stock sound effects, that cricket-like noise was also used for the antlion grubs in Half-Life 2 Episode Two.

[@Killzone3265]

i still hope vinny will one day stream SFA, even as a charity incentive, it would probably be a pretty fun stream if he could somehow get over the bad starfox game but into the great "zelda" game

[@spiralgodking9877]

Has Vinny played any of the newer Starfox games? Like Adventures, Assault, Command, or Zero?

[@x_voxelle_x]

@@spiralgodking9877 I know for sure he's played Zero and Starlink. I think Assault only showed up in a corruption stream, so unless I missed it, I haven't seen him do a full play of it.

[@spiralgodking9877]

@@x_voxelle_x Thanks for the heads up~!

[@x_voxelle_x]

@@spiralgodking9877 Also Star Fox 2, if you'd call that "new". Assault shows up in part 27 of the corruptions, if you're interested.

[@DracoHandsome]

"Kreestal SCHUT. Kreestal puhLEEEEZ schut the KENNON. PROPELLER, kreestal why you no SCHUT" ~that pterodactyl in the intro "You have learned the SCHUT spell use it RIGHT NOW Kreestal PUHLEEEZ" ~First spell

[@SamLovesMovies25]

Personally, I’ve always loved Star Fox Adventures as a fun Zelda-type adventure game because those are the kinds of games I was interested in/enjoyed and I didn’t have any particular connection to Star Fox. I do understand how it is a very bad fit for the Star Fox series and I agree it would have been better as its own Dinosaur Planet game, and the final game has some obnoxious elements such as some frustrating mini games and backtracking, but man the GameCube version looks so pretty, much nicer graphics than the N64 honestly, as well as the lovely music by David Wise

[@adamsandlerchair737]

I really enjoy these types of videos where Vinny looks into the past of what could've been and what things were at the time to be. Like with the Half-Life 2 betas stream.

[@reddog4843]

This is amazing. I was young enough to actually enjoy starfox adventures with a child's eye. Thanks Vinny!

[@internetnobody6754]

Hottest take on the planet Earth: I love the water temple in ocarina of time

[@beatpapes]

I love how one person is dreaming about the same giant water temple. It's like how I dreamed of a place that after that, I now have found an artwork that looks like it, also my banner art. Dreams that predict future events are eerie.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

I don't think it's a "prediction" as much as a corruption of something that's already been experienced.

[@NishiOxnard]

Vinny: I'm probably just gonna watch someone else play this. Me: Dammit, I didn't wanna play it and was just gonna watch YOU play it. hahaha

[@AirshBornely]

There's plenty of people that are trying to play this as legit as possible. I recommend Fuzzy

[@shiethegal]

NGL Beta Krystal looks a lot better than her final design.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

He clothing does, her face doesn't. At least to me.

[@microgamestation]

I really dig the beta design too. The in-game facial animation is also impressive for the time.

[@steinsverd97]

She looks cute though

[@bokagoofy]

This makes me really nostalgic to back in the day, seeing screenshots of Zelda 64 and Dinosaur Planet in the N64 Magazine, Gods I was strong then!

[@junkdog4138]

Vinny jumping off the top of the water temple and being able to tell that it’s larger during his fall is so hilarious to me

[@caseydacoyote]

For a bit in the dinosaur planet part, is it just me, or do I hear something similar to Majora's mask's ominous yet melancholy choir/synth in the background in the final hours? 19:30 for reference

[@Fereyen]

Playing Dinosaur Planet's prototype on actual hardware via a flashcart was a childhood dream come true, so glad this was found.

[@Twafflejc]

i'm surprised that vinny haven't found the training scene for Zelda 64 with the great fairy

[@SonicTheCutehog]

That's Majora's Mask

[@Gojiro7]

I really love the knuckle cracking sound effect that plays everytime you pick up ammo in the Bond game Beta

[@SamshireCat]

Its insane that the voice acting in Dinosaur Planet is way better than in Adventures.

[@zangl2955]

Even 7 year old me thought the sfa voice acting was corny lol.

[@AtlasTheMayor]

14:50 I put this to sleep to, but all of a sudden Vincent decides to react to a dying dino with ''Wow, this guy are sick'' with fuckin' Conker's voice and my sides left the goddamn orbit

[@FoxerTails]

16:13 I'm so glad we got to see an in game crash handler screen in at least one of the games.

[@ArmoredChocoboLPs]

NGL I wanna do Star Fox Adventures as an LP sometime.

[@JohnBromin]

I would watch that chocobo!

[@NavyPheonix]

1:34:15 Am I nuts or did they end up making a room like this in Wind Waker's Forbidden Woods?

[@gameboycolor47]

seeing the zelda prototype is so interesting. it's also very funny to see the the basic area's that clearly artists went "Yeah this is ugly as sin we need to fix this" Also I remember lurking one of the discords zel was in when he was getting this maps working and seeing the finish product covered by vinny of all people is really cool.

[@ShyShyTAS]

the bgm sounds just like the The End from Majora's Mask.

[@hayleywaalen2612]

I hope Dinosaur Planet gets a reboot.

[@RadikAlice]

While I understand the sentiment, it's better to let it rest. In my eyes anyway

[@hayleywaalen2612]

@@DenkyManner Or maybe on the latest Xbox console.

[@deviantartguy0]

Lotta audio transferred over to Starfox Adventures, eh?

[@TallTapper]

very nice stuff vinny

[@GamayObera]

Kinda sad about Sammy not releasing Viewpoint 2064, maybe if Sega can subcontract M2 to finish or rebuild the game from scratch.

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

If only it had Sizzla Okamura for the music. I think that's the one thing it was missing, since his music in the original *made* Viewpoint.

[@JetWolfEX]

It's on oddly under-represented genre for 64, we only got Star Soldier, Star fox 64, and Dezaemon 3D, it would have been nice having another space shooter on N64 and it looks like Viewpoint had potential.

[@BottledPoe]

Cave B is interesting because its creepy and very claustrophobic, Looks like it would be in duke nukem or something

[@_.-.]

Wait, so let me get things straight. That Starfox to be prototype... did we get the version were they slapped Fox in replacing a character (that likely looked like him and started all this) but they didn't get around changing voicelines and all that just yet?

[@JacobKinsley]

The incel "mario 64 personalised" vs the Chad "ocarina of time but levels from your dreams"

[@spiralgodking9877]

The Sky Temple. (Which is ironic because so many years later we get the Sky Temple in Skyward Sword.)

[@ArcadianLegend]

I still think back to that now super old and crusty Light Temple hoax from back in the day.

[@JacobKinsley]

@@ArcadianLegend as a kid I got stuck at the Gerudo valley temple because I didn't understand the concept of coming back as young link, so I just searched desperately for another dungeon that would give me the item needed. The thing was, I played for about 2 years. I was somehow convinced there was another dungeon. I thought I had to like, climb over the edge of hyrule field to find something like a forest shrine mini dungeon with a staff which made you smaller. That isn't related to what you said whatsoever but I just thought I'd mention it. 1:51:53 for where I thought the next dungeon was

[@shiethegal]

Dinosaur Planet really should've been it's own thing, they didn't need to shoehorn in StarFox.

[@deltaknight2764]

Considering it was a furry Nintendo game with a boy fox as a main character, I think it was more so that Nintendo didn't want it to be its own thing since then Sabre would just be a bootleg Fox.

[@kooldadnetwork5607]

1:22:05 happi face

[@Valientlink]

"stream date: May 7th, 2020" vinny confirmed discovered the prototypes??

[@DxBALLxD]

I swear that "bond" game has Half Life sound effects

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

It might, even big-name companies use stock sound effects.

[@DxBALLxD]

@@OtakuUnitedStudio Picard cares so much for the Kurlan Naiskos

[@stevethepocket]

At 24:58 something off-screen makes the sound of the antlion grubs from Episode Two.

[@DracoHandsome]

does Phoox MacSword really have the same exact fucking voice samples they kept for him in SF:A oh my god

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Why not? Rerecording them would mean they'd have to pay the actor to basically do the same sounds all over again.

[@DracoHandsome]

@@OtakuUnitedStudio It indicates what a rushed jury-rig it was to turn (this version of) Dinosaur Planet into SF:A If they had made any substantial changes, they would've needed new dialogue lines Depending on how long that took, new dialogue lines are not guaranteed to have the same editing quality as the old lines. So, even if they were able to get the same vocal talent, they'd need to re-record or at least remaster everything so that the quality was consistent They didn't, because the game didn't change enough to warrant it, or they lacked the time/money to do so

[@WilfredCthulu]

The Zelda maps were an absolute dream come true when they were found. I'm hoping modders will continue to fill them up back to life with actors and maybe the *real* Ura will be found sometime.

[@CDiFails]

The real Ura is Master Quest, as far as we can tell. The 64DD integration shipped with retail OoT only allowed the game to load different dungeon maps, change assets related to dungeons, and add new text for new dungeon hints. The 64DD maps found in leaked dev repos are just Master Quest maps, and most telling of all, Master Quest is the localized name for what is known in Japan as... "Ura Zelda".

[@WilfredCthulu]

@@CDiFails I do wonder though if they initially planned or even tried anything more though before dungeon changes were all they could program. Kind of like ideas they had before the original release.

[@CDiFails]

@@WilfredCthulu Yeah, that's a good question. Maybe one day we'll have the repo with version history and we can rewind their progress to see what it was like earlier in development. Until then we can only guess.

[@thogameskanaal]

"Where's the woods!? I guess they're lost..." Gød dammit!!

[@Zaktot-ho8fe]

Dinosaur planet is giving me a real Teddy Ruxpin TV show type of vibe. I would've loved to play a finished version of this on my N64

[@Damonj17]

49:37 does this gun use the same sound as the halflife 2 smg?

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Likely came from the same common sound library.

[@marvelousball]

I wish the pokemon rpg developed further, so we could at least get a couple of screenshots or something

[@spiralgodking9877]

Well, we're finally getting something similar in Legends.

[@marvelousball]

@@spiralgodking9877 Lmao. Good joke.

[@murpaderp8461]

I think I would've loved dinosaur planet. Shigeru definitley made the wrong call.