Vinland Saga Season 2 Episode 19 REACTION! | 2x19 "The Battle of Ketil's Farm"

[@CarlieAndAnge]

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[@itzmehDevi]

"Lives still survive here" 11:10 It shows a wolf, aka Thorfinn and a deer, Einar..co-exisitng in this forest

[@LuisSierra42]

Beautiful

[@itzmehDevi]

@@LuisSierra42 :D

[@MinscS2]

5:36 You hit the nail on the head Ange. Ketils' character(arc) is very well written; One is initially lead to believe that he's a benevolent and kind man (for a slaveowner anyway), but the truth is that he's not a kind man but a *weak* man. One that becomes cruel to those "beneath" him when faced with any form of adversity - and the signs where there the whole time.

[@CastSenpai]

Thorkell would smash Thorgil in a 1v1. I’d put money on it. 😂

[@CarlieAndAnge]

Yeah, I immediately regretted what I said when I remembered that Thorkell was launching tree trunks at people 😂

[@CastSenpai]

@@CarlieAndAnge the mans made a shishkabob from 500 meters 🤣

[@cirosavastano9158]

not that easy that u think, i really like fighting style of thorgill tho

[@vince7520]

Thorgill is a younger Thors in fighting. It’s why he have the theme of Thors too

[@mr.reverse7399]

Thorgil is quite smart. I would expect him to put up a great fight and maybe even win if he was given enough prep time. But if they just clashed and a good old brawl then Thorkell wins.

[@samuelpinto2003]

Imagine being a farmer and getting absolutely violated just to be a distraction for a minute💀

[@LuisSierra42]

That's sadly the fate of working class people in this world

[@mray4784]

More like a second.

[@vagoerrante]

I actually respect that the Jomsvikings fight in silence, they take every job seriously and they aren't going around laughing and screaming, mocking their rivals like other crazy Norse men like Thorgil or Thorkell

[@seeschwalbe]

Olmar saying "I can't swim with a sword on my back" feels like a throwback to the very first episode to me, were Thors lets go of the sword while underwater, both then swimming away from the battle. They both came to the same conclusion in a very similar way. I just love the symbolism and parallels this show consistently manages to put into each episode.

[@UncensoredScion]

Good that you think Thors is a coward like Olmar, as he was a coward who let others fight for him rather than fighting to protect others like someone does.

[@VeylmanTheRock]

@@UncensoredScion Olmar is not a coward for not wanting to fight. Also there's the literal aspect of a sword weighing you down while you swim if you're not used to it.

[@UncensoredScion]

@@VeylmanTheRock Yes he is as is Thorfinn and so is Thors, if you would rather save your own life at the expense of protecting another, you're the biggest coward to ever have existed, the defense of a life is the greatest thing a person can do. The message of this series is abysmal, run from danger because you don't want to hurt others, cowardice in the extreme and the most selfish mindset to ever have been said.

[@VeylmanTheRock]

@@UncensoredScion Okay I thought you were being serious, my bad. Troll on.

[@UncensoredScion]

@@VeylmanTheRock I'm not trolling I'm being 100% serious, the message of Vinland Saga is to be a coward and run from danger because you're more important than others. It's what Thorfinn did throughout this whole arc, the one time he actually stood and fought for someone it was forgotten a minute later and he just let people beat on him. It's cowardice, if you want to do a story about pacifism do one on Gandhi, it won't have violence so it'll be boring but it'd work for the story.

[@sashasloan9072]

Thorkell vs Thorgil😂 they instantly would love each other😅

[@CarlieAndAnge]

Lmao true!

[@goodguysolid6398]

And then fight each other

[@TragicPoet]

You also need to remember Kettles backstory the old man told. Kettle was in love and had his wife stolen from him. Everything that recently happened to him was like a wedge shoved into deep unresolved trauma. I'm not justifying his actions but the story was laid out in a way you could understand the reasoning behind Kettles sudden personality shift.

[@rimonmahmud6258]

I think thorkell and thorgill would be like best war buddies. They kinda have the same vibe

[@abdullahbhatti3874]

Yup and both love to fight

[@delirious_deron_]

fr

[@xel1673]

5:37 Personally, I don't think Ketil had everything he wanted. And he did have something taken from him, which I think is now fueling his anger and refusal to back down. I think the one thing Ketil wanted was the girl he loved in his youth who was given away to the powerful and wealthy a-hole land owner that forced Sverkel to hand her over. After she was given away and then killed soon after, Ketil's relationship with his father soured and Ketil was a lost man. I think him building the farm to the extent he did and becoming wealthy was because of his trauma and powerlessness to save his 1st love. He never wanted to be in that circumstance again. He became convinced he needed to have strength, power, and wealth to prevent anything from being taken away from him again. That became his solution to dealing with what happened in his younger days. However, as we saw in his private scenes with Arnheid, Ketil wasn't happy. He was miserable and lonely in his role and shared his inner thoughts with Arnheid. He's scared of Thorgil, his relationship with his wife and Olmar is crap. He doesn't get along with his father. And everyone else on the farm is his subordinate, for whom he must play the role of a strong leader to maintain the illusion. He hated acting as the brave & strong leader and dealing with the hard & stressful responsibilities that came with his position. He hated putting on the act. He was clearly more at home just working the fields with everyone and just being a farmer. However, his obsession and fears would never allow him to part with any of what he'd built. It calls back to the same warning Sverkel gave earlier in the season about a man who builds wealth will become paranoid and obsessed with protecting it, thus he puts more effort into protecting it, which requires making more money and more power. It becomes a cycle that will only make him a bigger target. It will only bring misery. Ketil built his power and wealth so nobody would be able to make him a victim and take from him again, whether he understood this or not. However, it was never enough. Ketil became fearful about losing what was his (thus unconsciously or subconsciously reopening his trauma from losing his love) and continued to amass wealth and power, bringing on retainers and so forth. He had to bribe the king with tons of goods every year to receive Harald's protection. He lied about being Iron Fist Ketil and hired bodyguards to safeguard the people and properties. I honestly don't think Ketil cared that greatly about his wealth and power. Sure, it mattered to him. It made his day-to-day life comfortable and easier. However, it wasn't the wealth or power he desired. It was the delusion of security he thought it provided him. All of it was just his obsession to never be a victim. All of his actions and efforts stem from Ketil still longing for the woman who died. I think Arnheid even became a forced substitution for Ketil's 1st love. She had no choice but to speak the words he wanted to hear and provide him the physical comfort he wanted. Just like he used the power and wealth he amassed in a futile effort to protect himself from his past trauma, he tried to use Arnheid to soothe the empty hole in his heart. She was the placebo. It was all a delusion, though. He thought he loved Arnheid, likely treating her like he would have if his 1st love still lived, but Arnheid did not love him. When he returned to hear she tried to run away, I think that hurt him more than the looming loss of everything else in his life. I also think that is why he refused to let Leif buy her. By that point, Ketil was just obsessed with the idea of not letting anyone take anything from him. So along with refusing to listen to Snake's wise words not to fight, or give up Arnheid, he decided to tighten his grip on everything. All he knows is he won't let anyone take anything from him, regardless of whether he actually wants those things still or not.

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

I think I mentioned this on a previous video as well, but this is in Denmark and we're given no reason to believe that Thorkell left England since the last time we saw him there. He wasn't following around Canute back then, and he certainly doesn't now.

[@Staring_at_Walls]

If interested there is an episode 18.5 that shows a scene that didn't make it right before the episode starts. It is on Mappa's youtube channel.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

They watched it with 18

[@Staring_at_Walls]

@@Ash_Wen-li ah bless. I usually skip around with reaction videos to particular scenes/areas of episodes since I am usually more interested in the discussion parts of these videos. I will be more careful next time.

[@greedas5811]

Just in time

[@RyzenShanks]

5:45 actually, you guys already watched how Ketil's first love was taken from her and I think he is acting like that because he doesn't want to experience the same thing again.

[@GavinFox2028]

We have 5 eps left until we finish this series ❤😊 days comes by fast

[@topotu_7473]

Woa woa, slow down there. There is a S3 comming.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

​@@topotu_7473Yeah not for 2-3 years

[@topotu_7473]

@@Ash_Wen-li yea, just saying. It's not the end of the series yet 👍🏽

[@LuisSierra42]

@@Ash_Wen-li 😭😭😭

[@Mischievalrous]

Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundered without a head. They really thought they could beat the Jomsvikings with farm equipment lmao.

[@OscarFonseca10]

Let's goo ❤

[@Mihawk-Hawk-eye]

In terms of power scaling in VS Avarge men in VS 6 Snake men 7 Gardar 8 Thorgil 9 Garm 10 Snake 11 Askelad 13 Thorfin 15 Thorkell 20 Thor's 100 😂😂

[@melibun]

agree but even though thorgil was snake's student i think he's as strong as snake if not more. garm is probably stronger than both of them although snake might defeat him since he's too smart

[@RevTower]

I dunno Garm and Snake gotta be even.

[@vince7520]

@@melibun Garm is so overrated. He isn’t stronger than Thorgill. Thorfinn will never win a fight with Thorgill without weapon for exemple or extremely difficult one. Thorfinn destroy Garm

[@maxojavierrojasurzua5746]

I don't know if I'm the only one who notice this but after the events of the War/Prologue arc the violence gets a little bit more graphic from here to the rest of the story.

[@lerolero8604]

Puede ser porque en esta temporada quieren mostrarnos lo horrible que es la guerra.

[@infinitefather]

This is off topic but you two have both really beautiful eyes

[@LuisSierra42]

[@emanuelrangel8337]

the next ep "pain"

[@Deadclown51]

I was wondering if you guys plan to watch the romance genre in anime cause there's lots of them that I would like to see you guys react to! For starters like Horimiya, some new episodes came out but it's what happened in between episodes that they decided to leave out. You guys should definitely check it out.

[@RevTower]

Because of these comments, I'm officially shipping Thorgil and Thorkell.

[@imcs0295]

If you know something about vinland saga, we know that is no happy ending

[@bonkiatsu470]

🔥❤️🔥

[@mustafamusa798]

My question is why didn't canute bring thorkell with him? He could've handled thorgil, and thorgil wouldn't dare to get close to canute.

[@thepowerofsand6180]

He didn't plan on fighting them, he wanted as few to die as possible and bringing Thorkell would have resulted in a massacre

[@prod3clips]

cause thorkell and thorgil are very simular seeing what thorgil did this ep and the other eps we all know thorkell would do that x10

[@Ash_Wen-li]

1. Thorgil is stationed in England 2. It wasn't meant to be a serious battle 3. Thorkell and Canute aren't on good terms

[@topotu_7473]

Thorkel doesn't exactly follow orders well. Canute just manages to handle him.

[@nischay4760]

Thorkell wouldn't bother sailing for 3 days just to fight farmers XD

[@ArtesMatt]

The animals in the forest also represent Ketil and Canute.

[@tashuawheeler1834]

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[@prod3clips]

I kinda feel bad for ketil hes just an old man trying to keep up with a lie that he started. I said kinda though its still f ketil all day everyday.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Yeah Ketil is meant to be a tragic character. Doesn't excuse his actions but he's not inherently evil

[@sobsag]

Ketil is disgusting.

[@prod3clips]

@@sobsag Well duh we all know that. But you have to understand the times, and the fact that this man was literally set up by canute. He did what he did and thats a fact but you cant put all the blame on him, its like 90/10.

[@sobsag]

@@prod3clips Are you trying to defend a slave owner who beats up his sex slave for trying to regain her freedom?

[@OldNansBunyons]

@@sobsag Are you mentally deficient?

[@ananaygarg7825]

Day 2 of asking you to watch Goblin slayer

[@greedas5811]

Heeey

[@UncensoredScion]

Arnheids entire life on the farm was the epitome of peaceful. YES she was a slave but did you see a single whip mark on her when she was naked in bed with Ketil? NO, of course you didn't because Ketil wasn't that man. You didn't see whip marks on ANY of his slaves. The one time you saw him forced to hurt people it was because outsiders stole from him and he was forced to hurt a young boy for STEALING FROM HIM. YES the boy was poor, but that's no excuse for theft and YES his punishment was severe, overly so but he took 20 blows rather than 10 to protect his sister who was ALSO a thief. Compare that to the life that Einar had before being bought by Ketil, remember his one escape attempt and the theft of food? That got him scars on his back from whipping. Compare that AND how Ketil treated people to how Garders life was. Massive scars, repeatedly whipped and kept in CHAINS until he broke out and became the savage beast he'd been beaten into. Arnheid's life was paradise compared to literally everything every other slave of that period of time was meant to put up with in this story and out. And you say she didn't have peace. No, like the sister who didn't take her own punishment because her brother wouldn't allow it, Arnhied is being let off of being the most manipulative and horrible person in the story, using her beauty and her place to control all the men around her into doing what she wanted them to do, getting at least 5 of them killed at Garders hands and teeth. That you're willing to forgive that but condemn every other person sort of exemplifies the problem, you don't see what she did as wrong but you condemned Thorgil for defending his Brother who was set up by a madman despot who poisoned his own Brother to take control over Denmark that set this whole fight up. When a person will forgive a person one way and condemn another for polar opposite reactions there's something severely wrong there.

[@ArtesMatt]

What would you do in Ketil's place? It seems to me that you did not understand the situation they are in. They literally are in shock.

[@simonsupersad1722]

yeah and i dont condone what he did but it's funny how they hate him so much but it's all laugh and giggles when it comes to guys like askeladd and thorkell who have done 100x worse

[@CarlieAndAnge]

You dont do that to someone you claim to “love”. It’s literally completely different to what Thorkell and Askelaad did. Also, we never celebrated those characters at all

[@simonsupersad1722]

@@CarlieAndAnge whenever thorkell is mentioned your faces literally light up and its all jokes and you get emotional when askeladd is mentioned. these are men who have took part and ordered mass murders, pilaging, raping and destruction of countless villages. you are right saying they are completely different because they are 100x worse as i said. i never once heard you refer to them as "disgusting" or anything along those lines for that matter. i just always find that funny. it's the norm tho, the writing just does a better job of making them charismatic and likeable

[@CarlieAndAnge]

Go to our episode 14 reaction from Season 1. The show does a good of reminding us that they’re not good guys. I think theyre good characters and make the story entertaining. With Ketil, he was introduced as a nice and gentle guy, so to see him flip a switch is much more abrasive than seeing thorkell and askelaad remain much of the same since we first met them

[@ArtesMatt]

@@CarlieAndAnge The plot put us in Arnheid's shoes, we were betrayed with her. Surely she had confidence that she could outmaneuver Ketil after all. She knows what she means to him. My comments always aim to create discussions, anyway, the cool thing about good works is the plurality of meanings.

[@OctavioMamertosachaporongo]

20 "pain" 😢

[@emanuelrangel8337]

yeah so sad this episode I cry in every react