Vintage Magic heads to zero

[@markpetersen507]

People can't afford to collect luxury sentimental cardboard anymore. All the money is at the top. The billionaires won.

[@tingaling77]

This is why we proxy

[@jonniefast]

😂🤣 dont drink the koolaid

[@ArchangelAlonso]

Actually they can. Pokémon never been bigger. Vintage. Just MTH is dying so fast and not recoverying And MTG investing is shown its over.

[@hustlecrowe9440]

just wait 4 years from now and the economy is a disaster again

[@TKMagicShop]

@@jonniefast yes it has Red dye #3 in it 😂

[@lonsmithicus]

Oldschool with Gandalf the Dark and Timmy the Sorcerer is fun to watch. Seems like it's growing in Europe. Preodern games are fun to play too.

[@mattb1100]

Those guys are indeed great. The old school community is rare but out there

[@GabAssbreaker]

​@@mattb1100the price entry to that format is too high for most players, sadly, thats why most people are getting into PreModern instead, since they allow reprints of all kind

[@EnergiaMartialArts]

OS is growing!

[@christhemagnif]

Those guys are great 👍

[@trad3612]

old magic has the best art

[@alejandroguerrieri2924]

Nah dnt agree

[@ubernerrd]

@@alejandroguerrieri2924 Modern card art is very homogenized. You can barely tell some cards apart.

[@charlesh4333]

A reprint or remaster of these sets is a must if you want to have people interested in the old original products.

[@nikkeiputter]

MTG is 80 % a players market. Lotus is played in Vintage and Old School, Juzam in OS and Jihad is only a collectors card. The player base in Premodern is growing. Therefore, Silver Age prices are increasing. The Golden Age has to wait for lower interest rates.

[@mattoreilly201]

Thing with markets for products like this is it might actually never turn back if the nostalgia buying people stop buying anymore. these vintage cards just don’t register much for the younger crowd who didn’t grow up playing them, and may never come back. I wonder if maybe the same for vintage Pokémon something they’re not guaranteed blue chip I don’t know. Somebody correctme if im wrong plz

[@CardThrone]

nah. see sports, people collect high end vintage cards that were printed before they were born.

[@canman87]

I think that's the threshold we've finally crossed over. I don't see the cards themselves necessarily tanking or anything so extreme, but I think demand for them is going to just continue to fizzle out until only the most hardcore investors and collectors are the only ones left. Frankly, I'd say we're pretty close to that point already.

[@Nurdaholic]

Exactly, the power creep of new product is rendering the “value” of the vintage stuff as low. The game continues to evolve and that is the single largest threat to nostalgia

[@tibofinds3726]

Unfortunately MTG could never crossover into mainstream and probably never will. Whatever happened to MTG: Arena? It seem like there was traction early on, but I haven't seen any new ad pushes lately. There is always a demand for the power 9 and infamous cards, but how many new MTG collectors would really want random slab from an old set.

[@Verycoolguy1337]

@@tibofinds3726 no trading in mtg:arena killed it tbh. its a TRADING card game ;). also when they decided to go the no trade route they shouldve made it cheap to play, its so fucking expensive, a draft on mtg arena where card have 0 value is almost the same cost as a draft in real life. Stupid

[@DeagleLas]

I will be there, waiting for the prices being really low and buy some stuff I would like to own, but can't right now.

[@marceloaraujo2803]

Rudy about vintage: Nobody wants it, it's going to zero Rudy about new mtg boxes: New mtg is going to the moon! Meanwhile, what Rudy always buys: Vintage collections What Rudy tries to dump: Booster fun Maro's newest rip-off set

[@vangelisgru7271]

Now you see

[@matteobagni1235]

It's funny because it's true

[@peppi1974]

Pokémon Company International has released a statement addressing the recent Pokémon TCG shortage, thanking the community for its patience as it attempts to print more of the popular sets that continue to sell out, such as the latest expansion to Pokémon Scarlet and Violet: Prismatic Evolutions. A spokesperson stated the following to IGN: "We’re aware that some fans may experience difficulties purchasing certain Pokémon Trading Card Game: Scarlet & Violet-Prismatic Evolutions products at launch due to high demand impacting availability. "We understand this inconvenience can be disappointing for fans, and we are actively working to print more of the impacted Pokémon TCG products as quickly as possible and at maximum capacity to acknowledge this." "Reprinted products are expected to be available at participating retailers as soon as possible to help ensure more fans receive opportunities to access Scarlet & Violet-Prismatic Evolutions. In addition, more new products from the Scarlet & Violet-Prismatic Evolutions lineup will be launching in the coming months. fck you Rudy

[@kordiggity420]

i wish i could post a picture of Dur Cartman. basically rudy at this point

[@ERidParasoth]

...because selling Vintage outside of the COVID boom might make you a return of 1-3% over a year and there aren't a lot of people buying it. The moment these booster boxes go out of print, they start returning 10-50% plus the amount he sells, even if he gets 2% return per box while in print, greatly outweighs what he would make selling vintage.

[@eastendmafia]

Confrontation between Del Taco drive thru and customers who didn’t get their sauce

[@Beckola44]

You are so right about the vintage Magic cards. My oldest son and I used to have some of the power 9 except for the Black Lotus. We sold them back in 1999. We also had 2 Juzam Djinns and our cards were in mint condition. We made a huge profit back then but I wish we still had them. Oh well. Thank you for the video Rudy.

[@EdwintheMagicEngineer]

Now is the time to buy. It's ALWAYS the case that the best time to buy is the same moment everybody says it's bad and is not talking about it. Just think about it... the very reason the market is down is BECAUSE people are bearish. This is not unique, this is not different... this negative sentiment is REQUIRED for the best purchase time frames.

[@tragicslip]

yup. all the traders have no trading instincts if they are fading tabernacles today after buying at 10k

[@ArenaRat-xd8fu]

Nobodys buying because prices are overinflated lol

[@AlaskaTCG]

Hey ya'll! I enjoyed playing during deployments. In 2017, I emailed WOTC from my military email, and they sent care packages in exchange for pictures. I taught several Soldiers how to play. If anyone is active duty, give them a shout. Peace and love from the Alaska folks.

[@NinjaFresh]

What? How is the nerdy market up in Alaska?

[@AC3handle]

@@NinjaFresh Pretty strong. We have a fair chunk of military up here, along with north slope oil workers, construction, ect. Many people with money to burn. A lot will get into warhammer, and various other card games. MTG was floundering much of last year, but it's starting to uptick again. Foundation collectors aren't easilly found for good prices anymore. Pokemon is a damn powerhouse up here. Kids and adults alike are massively into it. Whenever the local comic shop, Boscos, has their swap meets, there's maybe 1-2 MTG sellers, and then almost everyone else is selling pokemon. There's several other card sellers in town, so there's a varity. We have a big comic convention in April, so there's that to look forward to.

[@soundxplorer]

I think vintage Magic will have a hard ceiling until the game dies. Once that happens, there will be a fresh pile of money seeking out the vintage sets strictly as a collectible. But Magic remains a player's game, so most people will put their money into playable cards. And whenever that sad day comes that the game actually dies, the biggest losers will be these $300 Collector boxes that people stash in their closets. Or really anything from the modern era. Does anyone really think a Scalding Tarn will hold its value if there's no one playing the game? Much less a Retro-Framed Foil-Etched Scalding Tarn. After an older product has already been recognized as "collectible" and a company starts pandering to that desire with new products, they never hold up. Plenty of examples to look at, such as vintage Star Wars toys vs post-1995 versions.

[@TevfikVelat]

Adaxum token is built for moments like these-alt runs drive adoption, and this project is primed to take off!

[@laneabdulla9748]

The market should see a rise in vintage cards in the next few years. Disasters like the wild fires sadly will destroy portions of inventory of collectibles. Also, sales at shows of reserve list cards for me were steady this year. We were pleasantly surprised at the nice steady pace.

[@collector8704]

New players don't grow up with these cards. Old age will kill boomers faster than disasters destroy vintage cards.

[@laneabdulla9748]

@@collector8704 It's not that the destruction will outpace new collectors. It's that events like that do eliminate inventory of available items.

[@FiratElif]

Already participated in the Adaxum presale, and I’m feeling pretty good about the future of ADX. Time to get in while the price is still low!

[@brendans1983]

To this day it amazes me how all the letters to Rudy, that he reads out, all seem to have the same word patterns and whimsy as the all the ones before...

[@alejandroguerrieri2924]

Cause they are obv fake

[@gregorybarnard5593]

@@brendans1983 Rudy uses his channel to artificially inflate prices of things he's trying to sell and talk down about good products to drive down prices so he can scoop them up for cheap. He's a charlatan

[@e33d90]

@@alejandroguerrieri2924Rudy is actually a CIA illuminati reptilian

[@kordiggity420]

That is one thing I will 100% agree with you though Rudy. I would not have gotten as far as i have in my career if I didn't swim with the sharks when there is blood in the water.

[@HOMERRosado]

The key move is to get in early, with Adaxum token you can do that

[@NurayYasemin-x8b]

E-commerce giants like Amazon will push Adaxum to unimaginable hights after the launch. You want to have ADX tokens in your portfolio, believe me.

[@justinbeck2899]

Rudy like… I just like way the memorabilia looks!

[@alternativereality-e6i]

I’m just baffled by how dumb people are. They will spend 150 USD on an anime llanowar elves but not buy an Earthcraft from tempest for the same price. Why buy collector boosters from a new standard set when you can buy a dual land?

[@1992ceaser]

The only way to fix the market is to bring back faith on the core of magic. If they wanna play the new ones, bet they would love the old ones.

[@Tyrant372]

The old cards are just ugly af. ugly, too expensive.

[@HaleG9]

​@@Tyrant372yeah, you talk yourself into that, if you do it long enough. Ghe reality, however, is that they are far more beautiful and iconic than all those glitter-cards of today.

[@Tyrant372]

@HaleG9 it honestly didn't take long to talk into, the reason I never bought the old cards is cause they are ugly af. Even with the print quality.

[@ArenaRat-xd8fu]

The market is inflated lol fixing it means theyre going down

[@marcmarc1967]

A good thing that might come out of this, is some of that slabs may be cracked, and those beautiful cards will freed from their prison and be played again.

[@Augrills]

Never gonna happen lol

[@stevedrinkschang365]

When my friends and I realized 1 card could be sold to pay for a month in Thailand, it changed the game.

[@hermodnitter3902]

When I realised I could skip a month vacation in Thailand and buy an Unlimited Mox instead, that changed the game.

[@cope0522]

Lady boys dont come cheap

[@NERD-FROM-THE-SOUTH]

*Rudy, you probably won't read or see this* *But you did it, man!!! You made it on PapaMeats KZbin channel!!!* congrats for your appearance. i see your channel growing even more now.

[@TKMagicShop]

Every time you threw them it hurt my soul lol

[@MechaFoxs]

Not me, I was like, "Yes, slap on the table harder Rudy!"

[@xMareZx]

Lmao there‘s always two kinds of people (I felt the pain too)

[@junglerumbler6917]

It’s the darkest of days. Will there be another sunrise?

[@connorkenney6938]

What they need to do to release an alpha/beta format for MTG arena. Would be cool to give the kids a chance to experience the game. It would also increase the value of older cards due to greater exposure.

[@MTGUnpacked]

If the market for vintage Magic is so depressed, wouldn't we also see power 9 dropping in price and not just the less desirable Reserved List cards?🤔

[@matteobagni1235]

Not sure who would sell p9 at a loss

[@Augrills]

No, anyone who can afford to deal in vintage mtg will hold onto their heavy bags for as long as it takes

[@petros9711]

THESE ARE THE BEST VIDEOS RUDY, THESE AND THE WHITE BOARD.

[@LatifeNese]

Adaxum Defi and E-commerce combo is what sets it apart for me. Time to join the presale ASAP.

[@greggknight4641]

Is the sorcery version illegal to sell? I see it on eBay?

[@chumuc1401]

Interesting to see. I started playing 1994 and then went mostly into Vintage because those were the cool cards. So ran vintage tournaments in my local store. Then wife and family happened and know came back after 20 years. Luckily still have all my cards from back then and not planning to sell. So got me the new cards for the current vintage decks and enjoying playing again.

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

If vintage is going to spike in price demand is going to have to significantly increase. I don't see new players caring about vintage. What's going to increase demand to drive prices? Vintage just seems like investors selling to investors. Nothing wrong with being an investor but it seems like there are missing links in the vintage chain.

[@GamingManual]

If people start ignoring Vintage, does that no mean prices SHOULD be dropping on said product...?

[@morisato620]

You're always talking to yourself, Rudy. Just remember that. We're just flies on the wall making peanuts, haha.

[@breaksradio]

Vintage Magic is the new 12" Gi Joe

[@Arty3005]

Can those slabs be used as door stoppers?

[@thothmark]

Good. I will get some old cards in 2027-2028 for investments. rough estimate

[@africanveteran7728]

Goblin Charbelcher from Mirrodin is heading to $10

[@everythingmetal9400]

What's the reason?

[@kia-h9l]

🥳🎉🥳 eevee 🤑reprints coming ! looking forward to 'catching' all the furball packs i can to add to what i've gotten so far to let my kids and nephews ruin half and store the other half till i'm 80 lol

[@norwegianblue2017]

Why would Ebay give two craps about some stupid, arbitrary ban on a piece of cardboard?

[@Rob-ln8mq]

It’s all about the mons and moms

[@utubeutubeutubeutube12]

You should crack those slabs, all strong PSA 11’s

[@John_the_baptized]

Bro, I didn’t know Jihad couldn’t be bought easily lol that’s crazy

[@CORTEZLarsen]

Adaxum is gearing up to be the next big thing in DeFi and E-commerce! I'm already in the presale, are you?

[@mewtwodude3956]

I want to start by saying I’m a HUGE fan of Rudy, I have always loved this channel. I just want to observe that when you are bashing CGC, whilst demonstrating that they are actually grading accurately, ones bias starts to show😆. Having graded with CGC for a number of years now, and submitted hundreds of cards I can attest that their grading standards are high, and even after meticulous vetting of my cards, less than 10% come back pristine 10’s (it’s mostly pokemon). I believe CGC has carried on the grading practices that made them one of the worlds foremost cosmic graders, and applied those standards to card grading. Also! Just discovered that in addition to maintaining the human element in their grading process, they have also incorporated AI technology to identify possible blemishes or defects that the graders themselves may have overlooked, in order to better ensure accuracy. Anyway! That concludes my keyboard warrioring lol. I’m going to go back to being a carrot 🥕 and rewatch more of Rudy’s collection buying videos. Much love everyone, and Rudy keep up the entertaining content 🙏

[@matagin]

I'm interested in buying Vintage Magic. Where is the best place to buy where the cards are guaranteed to be real?

[@yongyea4147]

For now.....

[@yongyea4147]

I'll bet. I hold a smaller position than rumbly, but I bet. Give it ten years.

[@JimBobDewayne]

How can you play a card game with all of the cards in cases?

[@omahonda]

Collect vintage Magic if you genuinely like the cards, but don’t invest in it. Do you think Vampire The Eternal Struggle is worth anything just because it is old?

[@winchestersons6258]

Thats Jyhad. Lol

[@XskiXedgeX]

I just found my binder of Battletech CCG cards. Surprised they are in decent shape and that I have some first editions. Thinking about submitting a few to PSA for grading, but not really for profit, as I don't think there is much of a market for them these days.

[@zyourzgrandzmaz]

Meanwhile pokemon cards are going for $28 a pack for 1/1000 pull rates. I'm genuinely worried for my collection value... I'm keeping the packs I bought for myself recently sealed now cus it's not worth the loss $12 a pack to pull $0.70 of cards. Its why everyone is a reseller now.

[@N3CR0LICH]

Since the availability of players in the eternal formats are non existent in my area. Let alone shops to have tournaments for them. This is why I play mtgo.

[@PERCYFalcon-r2p]

Retire after this cycle with Adaxum ADX token. Opporunity of the year here for sure!

[@FestivePump]

Hey Rudy would love to hear your opinions if you have any on Star Wars Topps Chrome Galaxy cards.

[@CHASEReed-f3v]

Congrats to all early adopters, Adaxum token will crush this year

[@moonfrost774]

Whats the price of a lotus in this condition?

[@ArenaRat-xd8fu]

Who knows, what idiot would pay for it

[@finmat95]

20 Jillions.

[@dominicmetzger3246]

Newest Umbreon more expensive than an unlimited black lotus 😂

[@canman87]

I can't remember where I read it, but I think it was a comment left on one of your previous videos. Essentially, the sentiment was that the majority of the vintage Magic market these days is a relatively small handful of people buying and selling to each other and that's basically it. The cost on most of this stuff is so prohibitive compared to other sectors of MTG that it makes people that aren't already in a position to buy and collect at this caliber even less likely to do so. Nevermind the fact that people that haven't been playing for the better part of 25-30 years just don't have the nostalgia for these cards that those of us that have been around that long do. I think it has always been inevitable that we'd get to this point in the game's existence, where the old guard is less and less active in the financial aspect of the game and either off it entirely or content with what they have. As someone that started around 1998-1999, I love all the old stuff... but I don't see vintage cards ever seeing high demand again. They're an ever-dwindling commodity that will just continue to be harder and harder to get as copies are lost, destroyed, or otherwise forgotten about.

[@jamiesangster9350]

I'd say all your upper 5% wealthiest magic players are going to own Vintage and Old Skool... think about the Prof, Rudy and Post obviously but also many"laymen", either bros that top 8 Pro Tours and other big tournies, or that just career wise just end up being able to afford a beautiful OG mox or two, a sly power 9 or so. I see plenty of it in Europe and I assume we are a minnow of compared to what is going on in if you look in the right places in the US

[@canman87]

@jamiesangster9350 Yeah, that's kind of what I mean. Basically only the upper echelon of MTG "society", so to speak. I mean, I owned an Unlimited copy of Ancestral, Time Walk, and Sapphire up until I sold off all my physical cards in 2020, but I was never a high-roller investor or whatever. I think my situation was more of an exception than anything else.

[@Possu81]

Classic paper hands case?

[@VehbiBusra]

Adaxum Network is on the radar of major crypto players. E-commerce narrative will explode this alt run!

[@NotRite225]

I'm glad the prices drop I picked up 2 lake of the dead and 3 og dual lands working on picking up a bayou slowly working my collection 2 reserve list cards so im fine with things being obtainable ..... it can go to the moon when I get enuff lol

[@JJEMTT]

Wizards has showed such disregard to their collectors and investors and to the cornerstone of their own brand it's no surprise Vintage is tanking hard, it's very sad.

[@bryancholak7327]

Keeping my vintage Still wish I had power 9. Stop looking at my duelies.

[@golDroger88]

I have no faith in Magic anymore, neither nodern nor vintage.

[@lillislavadour4935]

Been trading in bulk rare reprints from commander precons and stores are gobbling it up. Last trade was able to get Beta Juggernaut: nothing crazy but small steps. It is amazing the demand for bulk rares in NW. All stuff not worth my time selling on eBay.

[@atunga5]

I think the prediction should be closer to: never coming back to the highs

[@Mac-Daddy-DK]

I ONLY watch when its old mtg! ✌️

[@custum18]

Pokemon has an advantage over sports cards and Magic because the "players' never change, retire, get banned, or commit of the field crimes.

[@CGoody564]

Giggity

[@arctan64]

Can I buy a black lotus for $100 Rudy? Vintage magic failed so I'm interested in owning 1 just for the memories, DM man, it's all fresh crisp twenties with your name on them, five of them.

[@fernwogteveril6935]

Can't see Rudy but I bet he needs a haircut.

[@kordiggity420]

how about that return on flesh and blood or meta shit i mean zoo. That Steve Aoki sure is a solid guy, about as solid as he is a DJ. Oh Rudy. You are a funny Florida man.

[@jasonherbert6004]

How much would that lotus go for?

[@finmat95]

20 Jillions.

[@fromthecryptmtg]

This Black Lotus is paid for by Uncle Sam and claiming it as youtube video supplies!

[@MehmetVolkan-x5g]

I'm buying the Adaxum ADX token, I believe it will yield at least 50x this cycle.

[@tommullings9912]

so this is a great time to buy power? Nice brb

[@kursed1771]

No more medium size shirts... rip

[@TheDarkElder]

About $5000, give or take a few dollars, huh? Or what is a played Lotus Unlimited going these days, still about the 20-30k like some years ago?

[@GoobNoob]

I saw earlier but forgot to comment. Booby Trap from Tempest

[@7Alberto7]

Still hoarding vintage,i do not care,stay the course!

[@gregorybarnard5593]

Rudy's always posting clickbait titles to bullsh*t videos. Don't listen to what he says

[@babe9961]

🤔🤔

[@SeldaBireylul]

Adaxum presale is one of a kind. Not much groundbraking projects available to public this early.

[@uv_khamaileon]

No worries.. still not selling my p9 sets

[@jwhit88]

Dude seriously just hyucked a lotus…

[@michaelg5070]

Financial advice? Im still trying to figure out who timmy is.

[@michaelkeith8992]

Still buying RL and vintage cards. I just like the old art. I would rather buy old cards than the latest wonder card that will be reprinted over and over!

[@1992ceaser]

The reserve list is going to fall and reprinted.

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Probably not

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Hasbro is going to try every gimmick and trick they can think of, but it's going to run into diminishing returns eventually. That's going to be when they finally ditch the reserve list.

[@baulsmahoney]

The vintage mtg market is never ever going to recover back to where it was in 2021-2022. Sorry everyone, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Yes it will eventually...

[@Jordankhau]

Wow how can you be so certain?

[@mikeg1032]

They're just needs to be a few more generations of players. Also It's a possibility once everyone finds out There's only a couple thousand of each rare from the time of printing.

[@LasVegasCollectibles]

Famous last words😂

[@spoileralert8440]

@@mikeg1032 A few more generations? You think in 40-60 years anyone is going to care about this crap? Do you care enough to collect stuff from the late 1800's? Most magic players don't even have children since they are brainlets, woke, trans/infertile or will die of a heart attack at 30.

[@fredflint8399]

I wont buy rekt'd MTG cards. It is either Mint or nothing. Those cards should be removed from the plastic and used on your bike to make kewl sounds in the spokes.....

[@chrisest12345]

People getting into magic the last few years sees the high price of vintage and the medium power of the cards. Not worth it for new comers. Oldies who like the vintage set maybe already have the cards they want. Decent supply, little demand. Pauper is becoming popular due to the cheap price and accessibility of cards. Not saying vintage is dead but its a very very niche market and it might be saturated. Sub 100$ decks are what people want to play.

[@markradick72]

rudy, when you're willing to offload I'll buy all your warehouses. You can keep the pokemon. My gut says pokemon will only continue the market cycle of boom and retreat for about 10 more years, while magic will look busted all together for a looong time before it booms again

[@geohhoeg8630]

Never spend new money on old cards. Spend computer coins!

[@ubernerrd]

How about spending money on money? Coin collecting can be lucrative.

[@ibanezleftyclub]

Just let me know when revised duals are $20 again…..

[@mikeg1032]

Buy when everyone's fearful??? Hmmm

[@SedaArif]

Soon ADX by Adaxum will moon, 200x in my opinion

[@seanscollection]

You need to open some stuff!

[@kylebabbitt901]

Love the videos!