VIRGIN BRASS vs FIRE-FORMED BRASS

[@caseycarpenter7043]

Another great video Cheap Winchester and federal brass works for me fire form them bump the shoulders back and do all the prep work then as you say when they start showing there age recycle been. Cheers 🇨🇦

[@user-pm3lu7vw5l]

best thumbnail for reloaders ;)

[@KernBlackbird]

The amount and quality of content you put out are impressive.

[@eiszeit9795]

breakfast time here in Switzerland right now. Wife and daughter are shopping. And it’s a joy to watch another video from you.

[@mikeepke4983]

DD, great video. Im still learning as much as possible. New to reloading bought my press right in the middle of the pandemic been gathering what little primers and powder I could ever since. Ive only reloaded for my 300 WSM so far. Been very happy so far my reloads are shooting slightly better than the best factory load I have found in the last 20 years (got my 300 right after they were released). Anyhow I really appreciate you sharing your Knowledge. Your videos are some of the best out there ! On another topic I watched your video concerning riflescopes . I did go with a VX5 3-15-44 after endless research. You were the only one who brought up the negatives on that scope . I know after watching your video that scope is definitely not perfect. But I thought it was the best option as I mainly hunt cues deer in the desert and am pretty good at babying my rifle along the way. Keep up the great work ,And Enjoy some hunting along the Way !!

[@SilenceDoGood4th]

Thumbnail had me desert dog!

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

Great information as always Desert Dog. Thanks again for all of your videos. The best on KZbin by far. Have a great weekend!

[@bobbygreen2291]

If I knew anyone starting to reload ammo , i would suggest for them to watch this video three times ,,save it in device ,,and watch it over once a month for the first year of reloading,, This was spot on DD

[@withoutprejudice8301]

That's probably one of the best reloading benches I've seen.

[@jasonshults368]

The thumbnail conveys the wrong message. Virgin brass is usually loose and sloppy. Fireformed brass is tight and snug.

[@mdirtydogg]

Thank you for another excellent video. I look forward to learning more about reloading.

[@j.dalemorgan2975]

Great one! Thanks!! Also loved the thumbnails on the last 2 videos.

[@miketyke9451]

Thumbs up for the thumbnail!

[@davidderr2662]

Great presentation and content again.

[@mikewitt8491]

I'm just getting into reloading. Very informative and no b.s. video. Gave a thumbs up and subscribed.

[@18wheelsandadozen6shooters5]

Best thumbnail I’m seen in a long time! Lol

[@ASimao71]

As always... Right on the money! Thanks for sharing! 👍👍👌👌

[@chipsterb4946]

Superb thumbnail! 😝 Good topic too. Maybe you said it at the beginning, but most of this only applies to bolt action and single action rifles. Many semiauto rifles (a) extract brass before it has a chance to spring back and (b) need smaller brass to ensure reliable operation.

[@bentaylor216]

Very informative as usual.

[@tommykawasaki9676]

Excellent information, well presented. I enjoy case work thoroughly. I am as meticulous with my hunting loads as my competition loads. Different accuracy expectations of course. But I just like making my little brass bottles all the same.

[@tunnelrabbit2625]

Excellent.

[@johndiblasi4803]

Spot on

[@tomhumphreys6517]

Thanks DAWG!

[@colonelbeanbagsfishing1488]

Love the info in this video, thank you Desert Dog

[@michaelhamerski2168]

Agree

[@WayneGent-t2l]

Thanks new to reloading I like brass prep but I don't need to over think things either. At least not for my hunting ammo but would like it get into some type of bench rest shooting at some point

[@WillyK51]

Virgin brass is Identical to factory Ammo loaded brass. If your Gun likes factory ammo, your gun will like Virgin brass reloads(If you do it right), Most reloaders will Full size brass. So its back to factory/virgin brass dimentions. I will just clean and neck size my brass IF, IF they chamber easily for feeding reliabillity. With Belted cartridges, Shoulder bump, Not Full size. for longevity. Great advice. Thanks DD

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

@@WillyK51 Virgin brass is so undersized, that even after FL resizing making contact with a standard shell-holder, the brass will be noticeably larger. Measure it and see for yourself! Your brass will never be as small as it was when it was new.

[@tonybarnes5309]

Great Video, I think your spot on I am setting here thinking and researching a Load for my son in-laws 7mm Rem Mag. I have 100 ea. Hornady virgin brass trying to think how I can fire form brass on the cheap trying to save components. I am thinking of doing 2 box's per bullet having 2 different bullets to work with. We will see I am leaning on doing a ladder test over chronograph find the sweet spot then load to that and put on paper for him. I have not even seen the gun yet. Thank for a great Saturday for me it is like watching cartoons as a kid.

[@kirkhiggins3044]

Great video DD. The brass issue is the ONLY reason I haven't picked up a 6.8 Western. I think the cartridge is a fantastic one but unless someone other than Winchester starts making brass/ammo I won't buy one

[@falba1492]

I’m not going to say Winchester brass is the top tier, but I have loaded a lot of once and twice fired Winchester, for my 270 over the years. It’s perfectly fine. Do I prefer Norma, Nosler (which sometimes is Norma) or Lapua? Yes I do. But I’m not using the Winchester brass for competitive events. Winchester/Browning ammo sucks, but I think it’s the poor manufacturing process.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

ADG makes brass for it.

[@kirkhiggins3044]

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Not familiar with ADG. I'll have to look into that. Thanks.

[@WillyK51]

The 6.8 W is a bit shortened 7WSM, Just run it through a 6.8W sizing die and trim the excess neck

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

​@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595Have you actually seen it???? They have said they were going to make it for a year now, took Pre-orders, and have it on their website (not in stock). But I'm not aware that they are ACTUALLY making it.

[@williamstrome5271]

In service sniper rifles are issued with 200 rounds of ammo that is fire formed for that chamber when the shooter gets low on ammo he'll turn the rifle in for another

[@paulharding1621]

Thanks again for sharing your expertise, you had me cringing with the photo of the fella shooting with the long thin barrel of his rifle resting on the wood at the front of the bench. 😰😰😰

[@bigracer3867]

I’m a one fired brass guy 🎉🎉🎉

[@erikjensen6503]

I always learn from your videos. Thanks for sharing! Do you reload any pistol or revolver cartridges? Do you see the same things with them regarding Virgin brass and multiple firing brass?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I reload 357 mag and 44 mag. I do not worry about OCD brass prep on handgun loads. I load the virgin cases exactly the same as fired cases. Rifle ammo is an entirely different animal.

[@cwness4587]

Mr Dog when do you start Annealing? After how many rounds. I usaull start pretty early like 4 to 5 shots. Use the Annealing made easy the new digital. A safer way the using torches. Great video with lots of must know info if accuracy is important. CW

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

@@cwness4587 for my precision ammo, I anneal after every firing for consistent brass spring-back and neck tension. For some hunting and plinking loads, I might anneal every 4 firings.

[@roddecker1900]

Been using all kinds of brass cept lapua.like nosler but use my cranky winchester stuff Remington like fed when volume not an issue. Trying to make Once Fired headspace in belted 338 is interesting. but not interesting in MY 300w cause that chamber is 10.000 longer yet. I want use shoulder head space right under beltheadspace. Whats a good setup for that? Custom die.?

[@js7127]

To load for accuracy you need to set size die to "bump the shoulder back .002-.003" ?????

[@jasonshults368]

There is plenty of disagreement, but this is the current consensus. As is annealing after every firing. I use collet neck dies and anneal every 4th or 5th firing. Works well for me.

[@js7127]

@@jasonshults368 Thanks for the reply. I mimic your routine except for two older military rifles that need fl sizing to be happy. To each their own but obvious cause of head separations shown, not the belt.

[@Accuracy1st]

Not necessarily. To automatically take fired cases, let's say once fired, and FL size them and bump the shoulder 0.002 or 3 could be sizing too much. You may be well aware of this. I don't know. For example. I took a new Tikka 270 Winchester to the range to get some rounds through it. I shot 3 boxes of factory ammo I got on clearance at 6.99/box - Winchester stuff. When I got home I rechambered all the cases and they did so easily just as they did when virgin. Thus, I neck sized only with a bushing, reducing to 0.003 less than a loaded round, then used the expander mandrel which opens the neck to 0.002 less than a loaded round. Then trimmed all to a uniform length. I then rechambered all again and all fit easily. As such, there was no need to FL size at all and I didn't have the extra steps of lubing, FL sizing, cleaning the lube off. I loaded 150 grain Nosler ABs over a full case of H4831SC after testing OCW. The neck sized test loads never shot over 3/4" group regardless of powder charge. I then tested two 3 shot groups at the desired max powder charge with more of the 1x fired cases for confirmation and it made one hole about 0.222. Then I went through the same process and reloaded those so I'd have 60 rounds total for hunting season. Only 1 of the 2x fired cases was slightly snug when closing the bolt. That one will need to be FL sized after it is fired.

[@tripplebeards3427]

Nice graphics…lol

[@charlesjurin7779]

Have saved most of your posts and you have made me me a big fan but now you have made me turn on you for initiating this with the depiction of Our Lady image . Shame on you 0:04

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

@@charlesjurin7779 I'm sorry you're so sensitive and easily offended. I feel sorry for you.