Virgin M3 vs Chad Panther

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[@natejones902]

This is literally only a 2 year difference in tank tech. The M3 entered service in 41, the Pather (43, I think). The leaps and bounds tanks change from 39 to 45, which is crazy.

[@FaustoTheBoozehound]

Service every date is a poor basis for comparison in this case. The Grant was rushed into production to give Armored Force "something/anything" remotely usable in the shortest timeframe possible, and even then it was obsolete upon deployment. Meanwhile Wehrmacht and German engineers had been producing advanced vehicles well-suited to their roles for at least a decade.

[@John.S.Patton]

​@@FaustoTheBoozehoundthe m3 lee wasn't rushed it was a stop until the sherman can be made

[@stefanchr7715]

@@FaustoTheBoozehound The same applies with the panther since it was rushed in development in order to fight in the battle of kursk. The germans didn't have anything remotely similar to the panther's design until they encountered the t-34.

[@gamersloth4383]

if you compare it to an actual equivalent American tank, such as the M4A1 76, and if the German driving the Lee wasn’t letting off the gas when it was halfway up the hill, the American tank would win by leaps and bounds.

[@mok-cb6no]

American crying 😂😂😂😂

[@sirbachelorboredmen1314]

It's okay, Lee. Each tank has its uniqueness. You have your own too

[@Better_Clean_Than_Green]

A tank with two cannons is unique, no doubt. Is it just me, or does the Lee looks cute?

[@sirbachelorboredmen1314]

@@Better_Clean_Than_Green when it's trying it's best? Yes, I immediately would praise it.

[@BlackMasterRoshi]

yeah... the M3 is just "differently abled" 😂

[@sirbachelorboredmen1314]

@@BlackMasterRoshi honestly, since I'm just a rando who never experienced war. Just any enemy tank that's coming closer, even if it's the Panzer 1, I would shit my pants, no cap

[@french_tank]

Yeah so unique that when the Soviets used it with the US loan, it was rapidly nicknamed the "Coffin for 7 brothers", says a lot

[@user-ix3en1zd7n]

the M3 is an interesting choice to match it against , the M3 must have had the shortest service life then any other tank

[@ussindianapolis487]

it was used up to 1945 in the pacific.

[@DanY-mj4gl]

​@@ussindianapolis487you could stick a bt-5 into the Pacific and it would still work just as effectively, the Pacific shouldn't really be used for tank comparisons, since there really is nothing to conpare

[@fishyfish6050]

Afaik this was one of those propaganda films the germans showed to the public if i remember correctly sometime before and during the normandy landings to Show their "superiority" against Western allied tanks

[@GermansRuinedWT]

@@DanY-mj4glTrying to argue with wheraboos is pointless they’re brainless 🤷‍♂️

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

​@@DanY-mj4glM3s were also used post war

[@simunooi5306]

Panther looks way better as well.

[@mr.samurai901]

It does , but the M-3 always looked gadgety and cool to me. Especially the early ones with the MG cupola on top. I am well aware they were hopelessly outclassed by a Panther , however. A Sherman would be a more fair comparison timeline wise. The M4A3E8 was every bit the equal of a Panther.

[@jacqirius]

​@@mr.samurai901 except for mobility firepower and production cost of course If we ignore these minor details then they are indeed on par

[@mr.samurai901]

@@jacqirius The Sherman had a higher kill to loss ratio against the Panther. The Sherman had far higher turret traverse speed, much better ergonomics, and there was no comparison as far as reliability.

[@jacobjonm0511]

@@mr.samurai901 Sherman AKA steal coffin!

[@mr.samurai901]

@@jacobjonm0511 according to the kill to loss ratio, the panther was the steel coffin. 3.7 panthers killed for every Sherman.

[@ikoiko5311]

That panter's suspension at work is mesmerizing.

[@brianv1988]

The M3 Lee medium tank was rushed into production in 1940 to provide Britain with a large number of tanks quickly. The US Army needed a medium tank with a 75 mm gun, and the British demanded 3,650 medium tanks immediately. The M3 Lee was designed as a stop-gap measure until the M4 Sherman tank was fully developed.

[@John.S.Patton]

Why not give the brits the m2 medium tank?

[@brianv1988]

@@John.S.Patton probably because it had a small gun and it was obsolete by the time it went into service and they didn't build very many of them

[@kevinriffey9970]

@@John.S.Patton They wanted a 75mm so they could use high explosive rounds

[@John.S.Patton]

@@brianv1988 could have given it to the australia.

[@brianv1988]

@@John.S.Patton they were given the M3 Lee and the grant and some upgraded Grant 2 all together probably around 800 of them

[@k98_zock_tv47]

20 years later, the Leopard 1 was brought into service. I think, 20 years are not that much, compared to todays 2004 --> 2024, and as the Panther drives here by with speed - I think I can see a little later Leopard 1 in it too :)

[@quan-uo5ws]

20 years later the T-64 would enter production. Composite armor, 125mm gun, autoloader, lower silhouette, all while being lighter than the Panther.

[@k98_zock_tv47]

@@quan-uo5ws Yes, the T-64 was an excellent and innovative machine. Compared to 20 years earlier T-34's. The technological jumps during the 30s and 40s are incredible imo and a foundation to Leopard 1 and T-64 in that regard.

[@dawid12301d]

@@k98_zock_tv47 Yeah, those jumps were incredible. Even IS-7 which could be built right after WW II was insanely sophisticated marvel of engineering.

[@mrfabuloso91]

@@k98_zock_tv47Kind of unrelated, but speaking of technological jumps it still blows my mind that humanity went from just barely figuring out the concept of the airplane in 1903, and then only around 66 years later in 1969 we were taking our first steps on the moon.

[@mrdavies09]

​​@@mrfabuloso91 Another good example of technological progress is the fact the Transcontinental Railroad was completed in 1869 and in 1969 the moon landings occur. Just one century separates these achievements.

[@user-dl9lp2mt4p]

Its okay Mr Lee, all tanks have their flaws, even a panther has! *points on pile of spare transmissions for panther*

[@znajomyskaliczanin9196]

Where? I don't see there any compatebile parts to the panther in this pile of scrap

[@Michaelfatman-xo7gv]

If the Panther was on a slope, couldn't traverse the turret. French found this out when testing after the war.

[@znajomyskaliczanin9196]

@@Michaelfatman-xo7gv They also found out the hard way how costly they were to maintain

[@Theogenerang]

The M3 might not have been on the same level as the Panther but it was an improvement on the British cruisers of the early war years. That was its niche.

[@arefkr]

You know Porsche made the Panther when it comes with a comfort suspension mode.

[@Better_Clean_Than_Green]

Finally a good comment here😂

[@bobusamogus]

(MAN)

[@gamersloth4383]

you know Mercedes made the transmission when it breaks down on the way to the rail yard form the factory

[@Someguy6571]

Comfort maybe, but a literal nightmare to fix if something goes wrong. Which it usually did

[@WinterTyrant]

This footage was made by the Motorized Wehrmacht and it was just used to show off the Panther A and to show how inefficent the US industry is. It was all skit

[@classifiedad1]

> motorized > Wehrmacht pick one

[@burry__]

M3 Lee is so much better, don’t care what y’all say🔥🔥

[@classifiedad1]

Agreed. It was made by men and women determined to provide their friends, family, and nation the best weapons to fight with, not by slaves in inhuman conditions who swept shavings into the gearboxes in defiance of the horrible regime which enslaved them. Aside from technical aspects (Lees didn't set themselves on fire on road marches), I think people tend to ignore that point.

[@burry__]

@@classifiedad1 exactly, and with the technical aspects, I hate that people really tend to latch onto hard points of a tank and stick to that and only that. The M3, when it came to crew comfort, sights, and reliability, was much better than the Panther. I mean, how is the Panther crew supposed to put their gun to good use when the gunner can barely see through their sight? lol

[@drewpackman2929]

Early vs. late.

[@BENKYism]

-crew of 7 (basically a WW1 tank) -two cannons -sponson mounted 75mm -hopelessly outmatched by the panther (seldomly faced it) -steel punk aesthetics -an impractical amount of M1919 machine guns -better armor than the tanks it faced (pz.3, pz.4, M13/40) -named after Robert E. Lee

[@isopod_gaming-real-]

Dare call the pre-war American doctrine of putting as many machine guns everywhere *impractical??*

[@hasanhaskovic4307]

only one of those counts as a fatal flaw, and we all know what

[@deluxalpha4138]

@@hasanhaskovic4307 the sponson mounted 75?

[@hans_alfredschannel9982]

​@@deluxalpha4138 Pretty sure he meant Robert E Lee aka the Confederate general during the American Civil War

[@hasanhaskovic4307]

@@hans_alfredschannel9982 xd

[@martinolsen8271]

Another superb clip, seeing the Lee, Panther and Tiger side by side in the beginning, just wow, the Panther was really a pearl. Thank you for sharing these videos.

[@Silentplains791_YT]

The m3 is smaller, less powerful, and outdated so uh yea kinda one sided

[@darnit1944]

They were comparing it because at the time, it was probably the best tank in North Africa at the time. Probably they haven't heard of the Sherman yet

[@gabrielarchange4680]

@@darnit1944 They probably chose the M3 for comparison. It's a propaganda movie after all.

[@r1zmy]

this is german propaganda footage, the M3 Lee in this film is a captured vehicle and it was intentionally slowed to make the Panther look better in comparison.

[@randomyoutubeenjoyer6010]

Everybody still gangsta until M3's hull gun decimate ZTZ949

[@skdKitsune]

*cue hilariously unique transmission joke*

[@gratefulguy4130]

Yeah I thought they "broke all the time" lol

[@blitzy3244]

"hurr durr but da germans would take out 10 shermans only to realize there was a 11th"

[@economicallyunviablekitten]

wish i could hear said joke, but the hatch of this panther sealed shut in the winter's freeze and i'm a bit stuck now.

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

@@blitzy3244you would be much more likely to see 11 Sherman’s than a panther on the front lines

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

@@gratefulguy4130this is quite obviously propaganda footage, no country is gonna do an unbiased test and just publish it to the general public like that, also notice how this test was done by the Germans?

[@blackmark7165]

I think this is something with how Panther and Tiger have wider track compared to narrow track that M3 had, even still a thing on M4 and the main reason why E8 HVSS developed

[@michaeldube7344]

M3 Lee Grant was a transition tank to the Sherman. The 75 mm hull mounted gun was an afterthought, and the tall profile made it a sitting duck for Panzer IVs.

[@ussindianapolis487]

too bad there were a total of 10 pz4s with long 75 in africa lol

[@richierollinrocket2891]

Let me go there, that M3 needs a hug

[@Warmaker01]

At least the M3 runs correctly and doesn't combust without enemy action like the Panther does. Around Korsun, early 1944 for the luls.

[@jameshodgson3656]

Hilarious how the M3 clearly could have kept going but they just stopped it for propaganda purposes

[@tanaziolopez1936]

They had to, the Panther catched on fire

[@Panzer_Enjoyer]

for me the tank dosent matter , all it matters is that can move and shoot

[@Brymerius]

0:03 *You* Vs 0:10 *The Guys She Told You Not To Worry About*

[@OutrunRewind]

all things considered, the M3 Lee was only a stop-gap measure until the Sherman could be put into production, it was better than the cruisers it fought alongside and the Panzer IIIs and IVs it fought against with reasonably armor too for a stop gap design, it was pretty damn decent

[@user-xb5bh9ig1v]

German Engineering & Maybach engines.

[@michaeldube7344]

Panther was plagued with mechanical issues like BMWs

[@n0k148]

Maybach engines that liked to spontaneously catch fire by themselves

[@nulaxic]

german engineering was good at cannons and armor, not so good at the whole drivetrain aspect (transmission failures, engine failures, sinking in mud, and being stopped by frozen debris between the wheels, among various other issues)

[@einfachignorieren6156]

​@@nulaxichalf it is taken out of context

[@nulaxic]

@@einfachignorieren6156Taken out of context? German tanks were prone to massive logistical failures. Heavy tanks are not a viable solution in warfare, despite possibly being better in battle. You have to consider how much gas they take, how difficult they are to repair, how heavy they are, and how many resources you have to spare. Heavy tanks are good in theory, and in battle as a tanker, I would much prefer be in a german heavy. But as a logistics planner, and really a country as a whole, it would be a nightmare.

[@harryfaber]

I wonder how an M4 with track grousers would have compared. The M3 was 'previous generation' and no doubt was 'old' whereas that Panther looks factory fresh. Good tests though.

[@DenKHK]

Contemporary accounts and reports by Allied forces highlighted the Panther's (and Tiger's) superiority over the M4, consistently noting that, in essence, Tigers and Panthers handily moved over muddy ground that bogged or slowed down Shermans. The duck bill track extenders of the M4 addressed this to a good extent, but if we're comparing stock for stock that's it. Not surprising for the Panther - it was developed with the experience of not just the Germans' previous overlapping suspension designs (halftracks, Tiger I) but also the experience of maneuvering in Eastern Front mud... which is next-level bog.

[@brianv1988]

One thing the Germans had that the Americans didn't when they built their tanks was years of war an experience to build an make there tanks as good as possible

[@connivingkhajiit]

@@DenKHK wider and longer tracks with significantly more roadwheels and better suspension is why. Same reason why the Churchill was so good at cross country

[@brianv1988]

Anyone else notice that the M3 has Road pads on it's tracks wouldn't that not be used on off-road?

[@tanaziolopez1936]

Didnt notice them

[@Jason-mh1pl]

The first thing i saw tbh, propganda still working i guess lmaoo

[@Richard-pe4cx]

looking at the difference in the tank tracks i would say one was geared up for road/ uban use those the leaps and bounds in tech are evident

[@brianv1988]

I'm thinking the M3 had rubber inserts for driving on Road don't know if that's how they use them during off-road driving didn't see them on the panther which probably gives it better grip in the mud and uneven Terrain

[@tie_advanced1]

one must imagine m3 happy

[@dallas_pandora4206]

yeah in africa, duh. Kicked ass

[@danielmolinar8669]

0:02. Those tracks look pretty different from the Panther. Surely, this wasn't deliberately done for certain reasons. hmmm

[@gundam5281]

I love Panther G early model! Looks nice next to the Konstiger II (P).

[@ukasz-zm9qc]

Konstiger? What the hell is that?

[@rogerio7546]

​@@ukasz-zm9qctiger 2

[@DenKHK]

"Panther G early model" is a bit contradictory. The Ausf G was the final production Panther variant. The first model was the D, followed by the A (yes, non-alphabetically). Meanwhile, if by "Konstiger II" you meant the Königstiger or Tiger Ausf. B, there wasn't a "(P)" variant - that applies only to prototype designations such as the VK 45.01 (P) and (H) (which became the Tiger I).

[@tanaziolopez1936]

​@@DenKHKi think he ments the variant with the more rounded and cast turret

[@Conradlovesjoy]

Virgin German factories vs Chad America assembly lines.

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

GENERAL MOTORS FUCK YEAH

[@tanaziolopez1936]

Cadillac goes brrrrm

[@stripedpants1668]

America made about 50,000 of the M4 medium tank which is more than every kraut tank produced COMBINED. It’s an incredible feat considering the tanks had to be brought across the ocean too.

[@leonardusrakapradayan2253]

​@@stripedpants1668add in the fact the US was relatively late in armor development compared to other countries

[@TheD3rp2]

Not disputing that the Panther had better cross-country performance than the Lee, but it looks like whoever the Germans have driving the American tank isn't even trying in these shots. "Tank isn't getting over the obstacle immediately? Better hit the brakes and back up." Of course, given that this is a propaganda reel, I suspect that is the point.

[@Yourlocalhuman8]

Its probably a propaganda video.

[@brianv1988]

It was exactly the point it's made for propaganda for morale boosting both of these tanks would have no problem getting over these obstacles

[@blackmark7165]

Its from sweden trial tho

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

Duo to the smaller roadwheels and the way of thw suspention, the M3 and M4 simply didnt have the ability to cross that big elevations. A wheel will only let you cross stuff that is less than the Radius high, this concrete slap was higher.

[@sameiimo1734]

@@blackmark7165 There's very clear German markings on these tanks so not sure where you're getting the idea that this is Swedish trials from

[@azorahai7837]

Lol, this is bullying 😂

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Well oanther came later, have larger tracks so can climb better, more powerful powerplant, higher poeer to weight, wider tracks etc.

[@Herra_Perkele]

don't bully the poor little fella 😢

[@rtroxette2982]

Attack the D point

[@Sf_sholder]

Virgin panther vs chad M4 sherman

[@EuropeAryan]

wow, an German M3

[@IvanIvanovsky-gs9hj]

*Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb*

[@l337pwnage]

Pretty entertaining video, and the comments do not disappoint either. 😉

[@Better_Clean_Than_Green]

Well, there will be always the type of people here who waterfall about how their prefered side was superior to the other, which is not only geniunly funny but also good in killing off braincells, like mine

[@dallas_pandora4206]

@@Better_Clean_Than_Green To be fair, this is still a staged video and both of these tanks aren't better than the other (pretty sure there is also zero recorded combat encounter between them). Panther did okay, so did the Lee.

[@Ape183]

Virgin panther vs Chad M5 stuart when

[@OTOMATICA]

the lee got a slight uptier

[@pointer1829]

Panther may be able to climb steaper hills but m3 is able to deive over asphalt roads without destroying them

[@waffenss2177]

В отличии от м3 "братская могила на 6рых" пантера имба

[@user-kf5zg8xy4z]

The tiger E was beating it as well, in the beginning you the a tiger E ascending the hill

[@thegewehrgaming]

But wait TRANSMISSIONS

[@bakkus1985]

Quality german product

[@HS_Rick]

on paper, yes

[@matthewjones39]

Transmission.

[@fishywishyfishfisk]

They were built to absolutely horrendous quality, what you said is an insult to actual quality german products lol

[@Crispy_Crisp]

@@fishywishyfishfisksource

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

@@fishywishyfishfiskyes

[@sheepmasterrace]

Give churchy a chance!!

[@SD78]

Did the Lee and Panther even coexist on the same battlefield?

[@quan-uo5ws]

They were sent to the eastern front so who knows, maybe they met each other.

[@herubinoevc737]

@@quan-uo5ws also, there was renamed british version of this sorry 'tank'

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

Have seen footage of knocked-out Lee tanks on the Eastern Front. Don't remember if it was late 43 or 44?

[@sameiimo1734]

@@herubinoevc737 The Lee and Grants did what they were intended to do, they were quite well liked by their crews and a very good stop gap. Trying to even compare it to the Panther is pretty ridiculous let alone ragging on it when it did it's intended job perfectly.

[@brianv1988]

Yes, the M3 Lee tank fought against the Panther tank in 1943 at Kursk, when the Soviet 245th Separate Tank Regiment attacked with the M3 Lees. The M3 Lees were no match for the Panthers, and six were knocked out before the rest withdrew

[@abraxaseyes7]

Need a wojak meme tank

[@ianinutresen]

isnt lee 2 years technologically inferior to the panther?

[@SMSprinzeugen]

Never I would see an american tank struggle against a panther in climbing a hill until now

[@hexi3945]

this is like comparing a microwave to a nuclear bomb, the m3 lee was a stopgap medium tank while the panther is a heavy tank which wont even reach the frontlines before its transmission kills itself

[@hexi3945]

also the people defending this videos are edgy 12 year olds or neo nazis

[@tanaziolopez1936]

​@@hexi3945wehraboos

[@santossteven97]

If Brad Pitt was in this M3 Tank, the M3 Tank would kill 100 Tiger I Tanks and 50.000 German Soldiers alone. Hollywood Bullshizo 😂😂😂

[@brianv1988]

Just shows that you didn't watch the movie

[@Better_Clean_Than_Green]

​@@brianv1988He's making fun of American propaganda, what's the point you don't get? Considering you comment on everyone who doesn't share the same opinion like you makes it even funnier. Let's just forget every side has a passion for propaganda

[@matthewjones39]

You know he only killed one tiger in that movie, at the cost of 3 of his own tanks?

[@bernardberben4852]

​@Better_Clean_Than_Green Ah shut up. A 76mm Sherman CAN kill a Tiger. Plus, the tiger killed like what, 4 other shermans? Is that not enough for you?

[@quan-uo5ws]

@@Better_Clean_Than_Green Thing is fury is more like german propaganda, the 76mm sherman could snipe the tiger from more than a kilometer, yet they in the movie they fight from 10 meters like some kind of medieval chariots.

[@rollsroycemerlinengine1890]

Wait and you’ll witness the spectacular sight of the panther throwing up its own transmission

[@reverseuniverse2559]

Japanese?

[@ireallycant4416]

Comparing an early ww2 tank to a late ww2 tank shown in an obvious propaganda video is absolute drop from birth attitude wheraboo

[@dallas_pandora4206]

Dude I'm getting a feel that this hw97karbine is a wehraboo of some sort

[@destrodevil6975]

heavier and better climb :O

[@tanaziolopez1936]

Yk, panther had a bigger engine and horsepower and a better weight distribution

[@chrismills5892]

The panther’s final drive probably shit itself later that day

[@null3752]

to be honest the m3 is better if you look at its effect it was a stop gap tank and further improved us tank doctrines and lead to the best tank the sherman and the panther was mass produced too early leading to a lot of problems dont you get it why the M26 pershing wasnt mass produced in ww2 even though they could because its too early to be mass produced and will fail like the panther

[@danielmolinar8669]

That and exporting that tank would probably be a pain tbh

[@null3752]

@@danielmolinar8669 and you have to realize that most US tanks were made in US and have to be shipped all way to europe

[@danielmolinar8669]

@@null3752 Yeah, For all the design challenges and requirements, it turned out to be one of the most effective multirole tanks in WW2. Not only excelling in hard factors, but also the soft factors that people ignore, such as turret speed, safety, ergonomics, reliability, etc. Blue Paw Print does a really good video about the engineering features of the easy eight that often gets ignored in general

[@null3752]

@@danielmolinar8669 it should be virgin panther and chad M3

[@scorpio8716]

👀👌

[@realonthecircuit]

The panther catching on fire shortly after:

[@ostellan]

Given the cross on the M3 without a doubt this is the germans way of saying "Hey looks at how pathetic these allied tanks are and how poorly they perform". Propaganda at it's finest

[@santossteven97]

Like usa propganda were americans show Mp40, Mg34, Mg42 and test it und say these German weapons miss mostly 😂😂😂

[@santossteven97]

Against Panther and Tiger the M3 was worse and ugly, thats truth. Most WW2 American Soldiers hate M3 Tank.

[@quan-uo5ws]

​@@santossteven97M3 was just a stopgap for M4 Sherman anyway.

[@Strommy777]

Well, the M3 really was a death trap. Super high silhouette, thin armor and held together by rivets which became flying bullets inside the crew compartment when the armor was hit. The problem with the German tanks is that there was no where near enough of them, they were over engineered and had the parts were made by slaves which led to many just breaking down constantly (King Tiger anyone?).

[@quan-uo5ws]

@@Strommy777 Thing is that when the m3 was put into service the strongest german tanks were panzer IIIs with tiny 50mm guns that struggled with the frontal armor of the M3, while it had not one, but 2 guns that could easily destroy the panzers. Later on when the germans upgraded their Panzer IVs with a bigger gun and more armor the awkward M3 became pretty much obsolete.

[@brianv1988]

Germany had years of War to refine their tanks America basically built this tank out of a lack of armor and it was rushed way too quick into service because Britain didn't have enough tanks and needed something rushed and quick something that could be cheap and easy to build in huge quantities

[@tiagomonteiro130]

Britain and the Soviets also had years German tanks like the Panther were still better and known to take on Multiple enemy tanks at once.

[@tanaziolopez1936]

​@@tiagomonteiro130My brother in Christ, american tank development was pretty Bad in the interwar period, not bc tanks were Bad but bc the higher ops had antiquated ideas about how modern warfares would look like

[@Paulftate]

👋👍

[@ConvetionalHeretic]

Biggest enemy of german tanks of the era were allied airpower followed by mechanical break downs…

[@BlackMasterRoshi]

and, I suspect, sector artillery barrages.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

​@@BlackMasterRoshiYeah, air power was overrated against tanks other than psychology.

[@ConvetionalHeretic]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547not sure about that. Tank armor was weakest at the top. And both axis and allies took out or at least disabled many tanks with air power. The Germans were forced only to move at night for fear of air strikes… Some stuka pilots destroyed hundreds of tanks on the eastern front with underwing 37mm cannons. But it is factual that claimed kills has been a topic of massive exageration…

[@n0k148]

​@@ConvetionalHereticyou're thinking about hans ulrich rudel, his numbers were inflated. And records of British tank takedowns with rockets were also inflated, because whenever a rocket hit a tank, it created a huge cloud without necessarily destroying it, but the pilots claimed it as a kill (not to blame them, accurately identifying a kill is really difficult when you're flying at such speeds) Also the same tank would be "destroyed" and claimed as a kill several times that's why you would get reports of more tanks destroyed than how many actually were on the battlefield. So yeah, the air to ground anti tank work was kind of overestimated, at least back then, before smart munitions

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

His a little itty bitty thing and mine is this really really beeeeeeeeg thing.

[@vectra9_957]

Cross country for ww2 american tanks was not that great or so ive heard

[@cameronnewton7053]

Didn't the tiger also have better ground pressure and off road mobility than the Sherman?

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

This is the M3 Lee in the video, not the Sherman

[@cameronnewton7053]

@@hhhhhhhhh1071 I know, I'm just pointing out that the tiger and panther have suprisingly good offroad performance.

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

⁠​⁠@@cameronnewton7053for the engines being used, the transmissions, the really heavy armor it is impressive Important to note that this is a WW2 propaganda film so it may not be 100% accurate

[@tanaziolopez1936]

​@@hhhhhhhhh1071well, German transmissions and final drives specially on Panthers and tigers were... Yk Bad

[@naki5226]

the guy she tells you to not worry about

[@dukenukem8381]

Look Hanz! now ze zill surely zin ze war!

[@josefhorndl3469]

Try again, your German sounds idiotic! Greetings from Germany ;)

[@4tbf616]

*the 50 000 Shermans about the cross over the horizon:*

[@jonny2954]

It's interesting that the view on German WWII tanks went from _fucking terrifying_ from original statements from WWII veterans to zoomers who _ackshually they weren't that great due to poor reliability_ . I always picture a WWII veteran in a retirment home whos Sherman column got shot up by a single working Tiger getting his ear chewed up by a zoomer caregiver on how the German tanks had poor reliability. I'm sure he and his 14 dead friends will agree. If the thing is shooting at you you don't give a flying f*ck about how its final drive could possibly shit the bed in 30 to 40 miles. Remember: Simple, cheap, mass produced tanks on which crews could get trained on quickly is only cool when it's American. When the Soviets do the same with the T-72 in the cold war it's a death trap and uncool. Also remember: Expensive, heavy, highly protected, complex and lethal, training-intensive vehicles like the German WWII tanks are unsustainable in a conflict. Except when in the modern day the Leopard 2, Abrams, Leclerc, T-90M, Challenger 2 and every single other modern MBT checks all of these boxes. Germany couldn't have won the war with either, their complex tanks or any other simpler designs. They simply didn't have the economy for it. In a 1 on 1 comparison, ignoring economic factors? Of course the German tanks were better. Isn't even a question. But the American mind can't comprehend that there was in fact a time when they were using quantity over quality and not just the soviets like it's taught in their schools.

[@hw97karbine]

Many rush to paint their enemies as inept, without pausing for a moment to consider what complexion it gives to the losses suffered to defeat them.

[@danielmolinar8669]

I mean, even the people who did kick off the anti-wehraboo would say that we overdo it a little, and I would agree. But I think both perspectives can be true. I mean, in war, an actual shit can kill you, even if it’s shit. The Panther statistically didn’t fare well against the Sherman, but that doesn’t mean you should walk up to a Panther tank and laugh. Of course, war is more than just the big kaboom, the large number of casualties cannot go ignored. But if you don’t like this trend, blame it on the fact that for years, the media has pushed on this myth of German advanced technological superiority and without them, we’d be in stone ages and no rockets and stealth fighters and shit, blah, blah(not to say that with Germany didn’t make anything interesting, but as a whole). That is, imo, a bigger issue than “haha tank go CRANK”.

[@dallas_pandora4206]

@@hw97karbine People only clown on German technology because of mainly statistics. Of course it's still a terrifying sight on the battlefield but Germany still got their asses handed to them by the allies - not without a fight

[@user-eb6ff7no8r]

😀

[@name20411]

not shown: who's transmissions caught fire and how easy it was to escape!

[@arefkr]

M3 driver: We must climb that hill fast. The partners are chasing us! The Panther: Bye Bye!

[@OkamiiSenpai]

I can't tell if this german propaganda video is being used as bait or not, but the comments are truly too stupid to identify propaganda.

[@nr5vtjustpeter]

If you have any sense you can see that the M3 is running in high gear to make it stall, but this channel loves miss information for clicks..

[@Better_Clean_Than_Green]

​@@nr5vtjustpeter"This channel loves misinformation or clicks" I never heard worse brainrot in the last 12 hours than this on such a channel. Everyone who's been following the channel for a while clearly knows that this channel is not even a propaganda channel. It only uploads archived footages💀

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

@@Better_Clean_Than_Greenthis channel posts weapons trials, which most of the time are milked for propaganda value

[@takenname7348]

Rare footage of a panther driving up a hill without breaking it’s transmission.

[@bingusboy9677]

I can hear that panther’s transmission screaming

[@dannyhoward3437]

Tanks of different generations.

[@Green-ader]

At least the M3 doesn’t break down and catch fire

[@5d_23riskynafisfarras3]

Comparing a tank that was made as a stopgap to some of the best tank to ww2 is quite interesting

[@popinmo]

err ok but does the panther have 3 turrets? yea thats what i thought

[@vito7428]

Wow what an extremely fair comparison. Next compare a Japanese Type-95 tank to an M26 Pershing will you?

[@l337pwnage]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

Can’t wait for the Renault FT-17 to Abrams X comparison video

[@zulhanschel25]

Who would win: A tank that can reverse vs a tank that can't (properly/fast) reverse

[@Keckegenkai]

guys chill out; OP jsut made a joke

[@ShamileII]

Panzer for the win!

[@matthewjones39]

Okay, which one?

[@Better_Clean_Than_Green]

Panzer and tank are the same words but in different languages💀

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

@@Better_Clean_Than_Greenpanzer literally just means armor, panzerkampfwagen means tank Armor for the win!

[@4tbf616]

@@hhhhhhhhh1071 panzerkampfwagen means "armored fighting vehicle", the closest word to tank in german would be... Well, tank.

[@tanaziolopez1936]

​@@hhhhhhhhh1071what about KampfPanzer, that means Tank

[@blitzwolfe7875]

This is like comparing a kitten to. Mountain lion. Compare the panther to the Easy eight, then we'll talk.

[@tonk4265]

Dude this is like putting the strongest man against a child

[@alizardnamedyo-yo5792]

An older tank designed as a temporary stopgap is an odd comparison. Of course the brand new tank with all of the latest innovations is gonna perform better... Until it spontaneously catches fire in the field and you're not able to fix it because of supply chain issues and a lack of spare parts, and then get assigned to an older tank like a panzer 4 or stug because it's all there is.

[@boxhawk5070]

Great video, probably took several weeks to make as the Panther kept breaking down during filming.

[@allgood6760]

2 famous tanks 👍

[@CasulGAmer]

Is this how warthunder looked in 2013?

[@flapperofwar7445]

*final drive explodes*

[@emil-1609]

Bu-bu-bu-but muh transmishn!1!1!

[@northernskys]

It's interesting that the Germans have gone through and marked the thickness, and angle from the horizontal, all over the M3's armour. Besides being part of this obvious, propaganda film, they must have used this M3 to instruct their tank crews, and maybe their infantry, on it's vunerabilities, and best places to hit it. Which in reality, was just about anywhere.

[@man_vs_life]

The Germans should have stuck with and further developed the Panther instead of developing the Tiger, IMHO.

[@fishywishyfishfisk]

But the panther was one of the absolute worst tanks of the war. It was not only bad, it was a bad tank produced in great numbers which made it an absolute resource hog for a nation that was already running out of resources. They definitely wouldn't have won either way but the panther tank most definitely contributed a good bit to the german reich downfall and quite honestly it should be given some kind of award for helping the allies win merely by existing! Along with the me262 which should be awarded for it's great ability to take out it's axis pilots with great efficiency ;)

[@ludogayko2512]

More like pz 4 and stugs..I think

[@esequieltrindade9244]

I don't know what is worst, German bootlickers or people who think that they know better bc some shitty british/american KZbinr made a analisys of why X thing was bad in the german side, the ME262 was a good plane and the panter was a good tank, but good weapons don't change a world war, is like saying that the M4 Sherman or the Spitfire alone won the war, it's idiotic to blame a single machine to a whole war, the germans used forced labor to make their jets, they had basically no fuel, no fine resources or even any kind of resource, they had lesser training facilities and crew, they believed in some aryan bs so that's why they never employed any other nationality of pilots to use the ME262, the lidt of pratical stuff is very long, that's why they had lesser quality overral in this contexts, this have nothing to do with the project alone ​@@fishywishyfishfisk

[@alp9173]

​@@fishywishyfishfisk I agree but i also want to contribute by saying that the IS-2, a tank that was much better in hard factors and as far as i know actually reliably worked unlike the panther, weighs almost the same as the german tank

[@tanaziolopez1936]

​@@esequieltrindade9244no, it literally was one of the worst, final drives had a nasty tendency to have a low service live, early and some late Panthers had a tendency to catch on fire (like early Tigers) thanks to a design flaw, the suapension was overcomplicated and field manteinance was a nightmare, Also, the transmision on Panthers wasnt good and lets not forget the logistical nightmare that Panthers were, early Panthers couldnt use spare parts from late Panthers

[@tanaziolopez1936]

This is literally a coughing baby vs an Hydrogen bomb