Virpil WarBRD Base & T-50CM2 Grip Review by Spudknocker!

[@pauljrix]

I had zero issues with my setup. It all worked great right out the box, no adjustment required.

[@Spudspike]

Paul Rix awesome glad it works great for you!

[@gregpruitt1647]

Good to hear you had no trouble getting the stick and base configured. I just ordered a Alpha stick and War Bird base.

[@alexboon]

I have the same setup. Maybe you can make a vid about setting up/ assigning the stick buttons?

[@Spudspike]

Alex Boon sounds like a good idea to me!

[@DaveFMillard]

Building a new flight sim setup.. I have been out of flight sims for close to 10 years, the quality of this Virpil stuff is awesome. I already have the VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base, and just ordered the VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, and VPC ACE-2 Rudder Pedals. Soon as they restock I'm going to grab the VPC MongoosT-50CM Throttle. Can't wait... Jan. I will build a new PC.

[@FinalGlideAus]

I have the same setup and honestly can’t find anything that beats it. Combined with the Virpil throttle requiring the keyboard has almost completely disappeared. Of course that not even taking into account how amazing it feels.

[@Spudspike]

FinalGlideAus I really want to get the virpil throttle! But I think I will miss the afterburner detent I really like that about the warthog

[@FinalGlideAus]

Spudknocker totally agree. I preordered right before the V3 T-50 came out and was upgraded to it. Luckily I found out and got the V2 with the detents (the final batch) and I couldn’t be happier. I think Virpil really dropped the ball by removing the detents.

[@testthepest6259]

@@Spudspike 3D printers are are a boys best friend kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnzJhHSrptCSm5o

[@TheSd1cko]

I upgraded my warthog base to the warbrd base and it is AMAZING!! I now have it paired with the F18 grip, plus I can quick switch back when the F16 releases 😀

[@Spudspike]

S D can’t wait for the F-16 it will be great!

[@Epicburst]

@@Spudspike will you do videos on the JF-17 too?

[@Spudspike]

Mousie of course!

[@Travis455]

How well does it react to the heavier F-18 grip? I was waiting on the T-50 but Warbrd is in stock and if there isn't a huge difference I see no point in spending near double.

[@nacl2858]

exactly my F-15 setup

[@ClintThrust-e8r]

There is no problem with with paid/gifted promotional content , as long as you’re honest. You give a good and detailed overview of the entire experience, so I find you trustworthy, unlucky for me, I can’t afford one of these bad boys lol.

[@mathgasm8484]

Free toy is the best toy when its actually good.

[@SteonCZ]

Virpil is the best! Im very happy owner of VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base.

[@Spudspike]

Steon CZ awesome man! Glad it works well for you!

[@GeFlixes]

I got mine just today. Superb.

[@kaytwine]

Literally ordered this exactly BEFORE I even saw this video

[@marks_man_7811]

It's the best joystick I've ever used. very satisfied

[@SA_Rocket]

you didnt talk about button reachability despite you having to switch hand for the pickle button, can you talk about how that affected your experence with the stick?

[@FreeFragUK]

I was considering getting rid of my Warthog base in favour of the Virpil WarBRD base, however, I'm now giving serious consideration to getting it with the T-50CM2 stick too. I did consider the F-14 stick (as I've recently got the F-14) but I suspect that this wouldn't necessarily be the best stick for use with the various aircraft I fly in DCS.

[@jemimus]

Thank you for the review. Got myself the T50 throttle recently and love it, even though the software is a challenge to understand. Considering the T50 grip next.

[@Spudspike]

I am definitely wanting that throttle glad to know you like it!

[@ubique6859]

Does the new throttle retain the detent for afterburner?

[@rustyshackleford2841]

Just ordered, may take up to two months for order completion. Looking at Nov, Decem. 😔😛 Can’t wait.

[@skatterpro]

Thinking of getting a WarBRD+Hornet grip setup, but at the same time, I can't complain about my current warthog+extension setup. Might try to get a friend to buy it.

[@get_outdoors]

Thanks for this, just looking into Virpil gear and a newbie to DCS (F18), what was the Scrollwheel display that popped up during the video? Thanks

[@NoFear1979]

Where do you buy those metal frames that the joystick and throttle rests on? It looks pretty neat and customisable :)

[@gregpruitt1647]

I want to see more of the 80/20 T-Slot rig you have at the deak.

[@markpartridge9046]

Thanks for the review very well put together but please can you tell me what the red, orange and green box is that pops up in the bottom right hand of your screen. is it something to do with carrier landings? You can see it at 3:46, Thanks once again.

[@lukecilia8118]

Nice landing bro!

[@dasmoools606]

Thanks for the demonstration, buying the base an grip next week, an then the T-50CM throttle. I have some big ol monstercat mounts, think I can modify them for this?

[@TheElvenKeys]

I'm considering getting this for rotation and a mongoos for thrust in space sims.

[@timetwaveler]

Ordered the exact same base/stick last week. Can't wait to receive it! Are you enjoying yours? How does it compare to the old gimble mechanism?

[@Spudspike]

I like it a lot compared to the thrustmaster warthog, but I still think the warthog is a great option as well

[@timetwaveler]

Spudknocker Awesome. Thanks for the answer and keep the good vids coming!

[@ebubekircagrsen7824]

@@timetwaveler Now, it's time to review again. How is your virpil setup now?

[@ecevansevans2566]

How did you solve that calibration problem with Virpil and windows. Also can you do a profile setup video with your present virpil setup

[@Spudspike]

ecevans evans through resetting windows calibration to default before calibrating the axis in Virpil’s software

[@W0lframAlpha8133]

I appreciate the review and heads-up about tuning and configuring the Virpril product. I would, however, have liked to hear your opinion on the fidelity of the Virpril product(s) versus the Thrustmaster product(s). Is the Virpril base and stick more responsive, or a better "feel", than the Thrustmaster base? Would the Virpril base plus Thrustmaster grips be the ultimate setup?

[@silentone11111111]

Michael Powell virpil base vastly better. Very smooth. Thrustmaster grip works fine. You can compensate re the extra weight by changing the springs if you need too. A slight issue is there is no lock to stop the grip twisting. Which is a bit irritating.

[@crunchied8]

what have you bind and where have you things bound for the f-14 because i am getting the virpil VPC Constellation ALPHA-R thanks spud

[@Al-Azraq]

Nice review Spud! I am also having issues with the connectors. Yesterday I disconnected my grip in order to change the angle, plug back in, just to not being recognised again. I am now waiting for instructions from Virpil, they are quite sure that the culprit is the cable from the base so hopefully I can DIY fix if they send the replacements.

[@Spudspike]

Francesc Soro hopefully you can get it fixed man!

[@Al-Azraq]

@@Spudspike Thanks! I'm sure of it. Virpil are nice guys and even if it was my mistake they will get it fixed

[@TheSd1cko]

I had this happen once and just needed a reboot. Still not sure what caused it but it was when I swapped from A10 grip to F18 grip. Had a short cardiac moment thinking I'd broken something 😀

[@Al-Azraq]

@@TheSd1cko unfortunately, it is confirmed that I have damaged wires both in the grip and base also. Just waiting for Virpil's final reply about sending the replacement parts but it should be as simple as changing connectors... I have passed the heart attack phase and I'm now in the let's fix this ASAP phase haha

[@TheSd1cko]

@@Al-Azraq So did you change the cams and / or springs then to cause this? I only ask because I didn't think this was possible without doing this? I left mine as stock and there's not enough slack in the cable on mine for it to go anywhere other than where it should I don't think. I'm slightly concerned because I don't use the base on a proper mount, instead I have a homemade centre mount on a seat that I then use thumbscrews to secure it to whenever I play DCS. I don't want to end up unintentionally doing the same as you guys by attaching and detaching the base to its mount 2 or 3 times a week.

[@fzijlstra2906]

Nice review! I see you working the stick with two hands. Is it to big to reach the top buttons? You did not mention it as a negative.

[@Spudspike]

That is mostly because I was trying to do a lot of quick actions all in a row like dropping the lasing for LGB’s. I can reach the buttons just fine

[@fastfed]

@@Spudspike umm dude there is no way, we're watching the video, your thumb CANNOT reach unless you let go of the stick. Why in the world would they make it so silly like that!

[@rwhunt99]

I noticed you had to use both hands when pushing buttons on the stick a couple of times. Looks a bit awkward and was wondering if the head of the stick was too large for your hand. Not sure if I could handle it, I have hands that wear a medium glove, so I might find it hard to reach some of the buttons. Your review was pretty short in going over the different buttons.

[@Spudspike]

I wear medium gloves as well, the stick is a great size, I used my other hand to press a few buttons just because I was trying to fly as precisely as possible

[@rwhunt99]

@@Spudspike Thanks for the info!

[@chrsvp9631]

When using the grip with the warthog, what are the non working functions?

[@ttownhornet]

I am considering purchasing this same setup, I notice you have the base mounted on what look like Fox Mounts, I was wondering if I could mount the base since it is supposed to be for desktop use. Would you please advise on how you mounted the base? Great video as always, keep up the good work!

[@Spudspike]

it comes out of the box ready for desktop or mounted use

[@ttownhornet]

@@Spudspike Excellent, thanks for the quick reply, my order will be placed soon!

[@dondy6724]

@@Spudspike Thanks for the very nice review, as always ;-) On the Virpil homepage they say "Note: The VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base requires mounting and is not suitable for desktop use. Mounting must be done with the included u-bracket to ensure safe operation." Is it still possible to mount the base on a "flat" surface with screws or do I have to make an adapter for the so called u-bracket? In your video it seems that you just screwed your base on the alu profile?! Thanks and greetings from Germany!

[@Yjana89]

You also going to try out the Constellation ALPHA Grip, when it will be released in November?

[@williamsternritter3214]

I plan to buy the base and use it with Warthog stick. Have you tried that combination as well and can you give your observations if you did?

[@Spudspike]

William Sternritter I used my F-18 stick for a bit and and works fine

[@GeFlixes]

It works well. Although I had problems with the 50mm stick extention; will reach out to Virpil about that (with it on, the warthog stick points 90° to the right).

[@williamsternritter3214]

I will not be using an extension, so I'm fine with that.

[@wilbuzllf5057]

@@williamsternritter3214 Don't know if you've bought it already or not but I have been using the WarBRB base with the old Cougar F16 grip from TM for a couple of months now, it is lovely in every way. The WarBRB base is awesome aswell, changed cams to no center and installed heavy springs and WOW...

[@williamsternritter3214]

@@wilbuzllf5057 bought it already and I'm very happy with it. Also switched the cams for no center, kept the lighter spring for now.

[@antonwestergaard5211]

May i ask you spud, why such a high deadzone?

[@Yjana89]

You use a Curve of 16 and Deadzone 6? Why such high Values? I have VKB Gladiator MK. II and added some Silicone PTFE Oil to make it move easier. I'm using Curve of 3 to 5 and 0 Deadzone and used to be to control within few Millimeters around Center Area mainly. How is this with VPC WarBRD Base, as it uses 2 Cams per Axis? Is there some sort of "Physical Deadzone"? Oh, and... Axis Coordinator and Webcam seems not be synchronous. Otherwise, you seem to have a bad USB Delay Issue...

[@vracan]

so what was the fix for the windows conflict with virpil software?

[@wumbo9082]

Hey dude what Keyboard are you using?

[@brunospoon]

Can you use that base grip combination on a desk as opposed to a mount?

[@Spudspike]

Yes you can!

[@brunospoon]

@@Spudspike I've heard mixed opinions on having it on the desk, being too tall. Have you tried it?

[@JoseMartinez-ez6uc]

The grip is no longer compatible with the Warthog base?

[@Spudspike]

I believe that it is compatible

[@smoke_eater_]

Great video. Got enough buttons bra?

[@MongooseTacticool]

MOAR buttons!

[@ClintThrust-e8r]

If there’s one thing I’ve learned from dcs, it’s you can never have enough buttons.

[@billpii6314]

How does it work with helos

[@highlanderc]

Does it have a Z axis for the stick?

[@Spudspike]

no rudder axis on this bad boy

[@Spiniker0056]

28 seconds in the groove … that’s longer than I last in bed!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Nice

[@aaronwhite1786]

My Saitek X-45 is weeping.

[@Spudspike]

LOL

[@vnyggi621]

Can anyone say something about the vkb gunfighter? Why does no one seem to talk about that

[@silentone11111111]

v Nyggi I have both. Vkb is miles better.

[@Asgar1205]

curve on F/A-18? for me putting a curve on any FBW plane in DCS fucks up everything and gets super unprecise

[@silentone11111111]

I got one but prefer my vkb. Both make the warthog grip stay in the cupboard 😀

[@czdaniel1]

I wish Virpil would make sexy looking extension like the VKB curved 200mm extension

[@ÆÆæ-i4f]

@@czdaniel1 Virpil just released a curved 200mm couple days ago thats up for pre order

[@czdaniel1]

@@ÆÆæ-i4f -- Wow. Thank You for updating me

[@-Sunny--]

Can you twist it?

[@Maid-Core]

depends on what grip you have but yes

[@SauerkrautIsGood]

Not gonna lie, I'm slightly cringing at seeing you use your other hand to press buttons on the stick. You have a thumb for that!

[@sasquatch8923]

Great videos man. Assss always! Lol

[@Spudspike]

Haha thanks dude!

[@sasquatch8923]

Hey man- have you ever considered giving one on one lessons for like $20 an hour? I’d pay. I’m decent but with a family etc. I don’t have the hours and hours to learn. A few hours of live training would save me weeks. It would be worth it to me and probably lots of people.

[@Spudspike]

Sasquatch research group hey man! I do lessons for any patrons who donate $15 or more on patreon to help support my channel. Feel free to donate as much as you think is fair! It is all 1000% appreciated!!

[@sasquatch8923]

Spudknocker Right on . I will do that for sure probably a few times. I need Sabre and P51 tips. That’s really cool. I’ll hit u up

[@Spudspike]

@@sasquatch8923 Awesome here is a link to my Patreon!

[@legitcrack6438]

no mounting considerations? had problem with axis and found a way to fix them, how? no wonder you have so many dislikes

[@Tigermoto]

£300+ for a stick. Too rich for my blood. Thanks for the vid dude but I'm a poor soul. I'll leave the video running in the background so you get the minutes. Catch you next vid.

[@czdaniel1]

But if you look at the inside of the latest Virpil twin-cams designs, they look like they will LAST FOREVER. Can't say that about anybody else, although VKB comes close with just the sheer amount of replacement cams in case anything were to EVER feel off

[@Tigermoto]

@@czdaniel1 Oh man, totally agree. However, I can't just decide to not pay my rent for a month for a stick and throttle y'know?

[@Major-Mayhem]

The flimsy cheap poorly made peice of Plastic Flip Down Trigger Broke on my VIrpil VPC Mongoos CM2 Grip. I haven't even Had it a Year yet. Virpil needs to replace it with a metal one or at least better materials. My CH Products USB gear has lasted over 20 years If it wasn't for the non-existent support broken software and crappy 8bit POTS it uses for sensors I would probably still be using it. I put a lot of money on my virpil gear and now I'm thinking I shoulda gone with VKB for my grip.

[@stephenblake2196]

All these guys get this stuff for free ?? So what do you think people??? Send some to me ??? a first time player ?? I'll give a fair review based on ease of play and price?? Thanks!! A true test ?? ( REMEMBER first time playing!! ) ?????? Used or new ???? 🤔

[@fastfed]

you need to use TWO hands, lol TWO, 2 hands to use the buttons, yea dont think so

[@zaelu]

The cams feel awful. Planes don't have constant variation of resistance either, it depends on the speeds and if controls are boosted or not. So you just change a broken watch with another. Also on fly by wire planes is completely useless "realism". Also any side mount renders the cams idea dumb. I still wait for a magnetic FFB stick that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I had the G940 and for all its bads it could reproduce the variable resistance speed dependant and also could reproduce the heli trim. This cams... bleah... Supposedly they have the benefit of giving the feel of separation between Ailerons and Elevator... like in RL... thanks... not needed while flying from a desk in a warm living room feeling nothing from the flight itself. I prefer having no separation like the Warthog stick provides than having same awful separation no matter the plane and/or situation.