Virtua Fighter Remix | Reviewing Every U.S. Saturn Game | Episode 18 of 246

[@neozeed1984]

"No one hates Sega more than the people who love Sega"! Truth

[@mrfake675]

It's a bipolar relationship

[@TheSpeedway99]

One of the truest statements ever made.

[@rustymixer2886]

Sega of America biggest rival, was Sega of Japan

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Heads up: Since I have new release date info, the games are in a slightly different order. That’s why this is episode 18, not 23. Apologies for the confusion.

[@ricklucas6216]

I appreciate your dedication to accuracy. Thank you. These video are really amazing.

[@Nathan-rb3qp]

Why does all emulated footage of Virtua Fighter Arcade look like crap?

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

@@Nathan-rb3qp Model 1 emulation still isn't perfect. MAME can get Virtua Racing running pretty well, but the other Model 1 games are not accurately emulated to this day. It can get VF to an acceptable and playable state, but yeah, still has loads of graphical issues.

[@Nathan-rb3qp]

@@PandaMoniumReviews It seems like no one has ever mastered it.

[@Random-yh9tj]

@@Nathan-rb3qp heads up mate, it's getting better! (not only virtua racing tho )

[@Belpowerslave]

What a story. I had no idea so much had gone into VF Remix. Back in the day, having Sega send the game to me for free, it was like a dream come true. I could not believe how amazing it looked over the original, or just in general. I don't recall signing up on any given website, but I was obsessive-compulsive about sending in registration cards back then, so that's may be how they found me. At any rate, a great video! I always like to imagine how things may or may not have fared differently had Sega just waited a bit longer, had VF Remix as the pack in and launched with the powerhouse VF2, Virtua Cop and Rally trilogy...

[@petermalek935]

OMG the stuff at the end... GOLD!

[@rhettoric]

You are a treasure, man. Seeing the timeline up close and the real-time reactions to how this all went down was amazing journalism. Thanks for all you do, your Saturn videos are always the highlight of whatever day I finally get to watch them!

[@RetrOrigin]

The missing lights on Sarah's stage is not just a missing effect, Remix lacks real time light-sourcing altogether, so all highlights and shadows are "baked" into the textures. This is actually a very common sacrifice on many Saturn games since all of the hi-res fighters like VF2, DOA and Last Bronx also lack real time light-sourcing. The lack of light-sourcing somewhat gives the impression that character models are more complex or detailed than they are in terms of geometry since lights create contrast by nature and makes hard edges more visible. The 1st Tekken also lacks real time light-sourcing but on the flipside runs at 60 fps. Awesome video BTW, what you said at the end about no one hating Sega more than people who love Sega is so relatable, watching them make mistake after mistake all these years is so frustrating.

[@ENiceGeo]

D-Xhird is a 3D fighting game that uses light sourcing. That game was an interesting looking tech demo for the Saturn. Prior to that Toshinden URA attempted to mimic the effect with some kind of coloring effect in two of its stages.

[@RetrOrigin]

@@ENiceGeo Yes, but D-Xhird does not run in Saturn's hi-res mode. The point is that none of the Hi-res mode games utilize real time light-sourcing. Low res fighting games like D-Xhird, Fighting Vipers, Fighters Megamix, Final Fight Revenge, the Original Virtua Fighter and others do utilize light-sourcing. In general, light-sourcing was commonly sacrificed even in low res games from other genres on the Saturn, Sega Rally, both Virtua Cop games and House of the Dead to name a few popular ones lack light-sourcing.

[@rustymixer2886]

Sega of America biggest rival, was Sega of Japan

[@PlayStationSegaSaturn]

That Japanese art of Virtua fighter remix is gorgeous. I have a remix campaign box but I need a protector for it

[@BubblegumCrash332]

Jenovi brought me here, great channel!!

[@TGApuleius]

It's all about those individually moving fingers in the arcade version. Still looks cool with those smooth blocky polygons. I remember getting Remix out of nowhere in the mail, nice surprise considering I got the Bug/Panzer Dragoon demos Saturn and never called them.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

TGApuleius Those moving fingers are godly. It seems like it took everyone else much longer to pull that off.

[@jonnyelpoiss7]

Man, that is like next level documentary! This serie of Saturn review is unlike anything on KZbin, so much detail and so much information, so much work!, it's a throwback in time. Subbed, would sub 2 times if I could. Insane work

[@chapel976]

“I was there.” I had a launch console. I was 14. My brother ran the local arcade and he loaded it with all the fighting games. It was a money maker and I got free tokens. We were competitive arcade fighters at the time. VF on Saturn gave us practice at home with the virtua stick. Then my brother imported a Sega Megalo sit down projector cabinet and VF2. When VF2 comes out sooner than expected we were the VF FGC of the north east. Everyone came to our arcade to see a real premium Japanese cabinet

[@chapel976]

Free remix was awesome for early adopters. It was a lovely payoff

[@LongLiveStopMotion2]

I hate the Saturn but your videos are great and I love watching them.

[@Random-yh9tj]

Wasn't expecting you to talk about the 32X port.... Nor that ending

[@OhKayEl]

"No one hates Sega more than its fans." True words have never been spoken.

[@rustymixer2886]

Sega of America biggest rival, was Sega of Japan

[@MichaelGreen-dm2ov]

Great review sir! I really appreciate this series you are working on as the Saturn is the best game system ever.

[@charliehunt6336]

Another banger. Your detail is super impressive and the moments of comedy are very well done. Keep it up!

[@RetroReef]

You’re videos are so comprehensive and entertaining. Hopefully it’s only a matter of time that more people enjoy them. Compared to other gaming channels who barely say anything of substance and get many views, you are in another league of quality.

[@joniivee]

This is a wonderful video. Just when I think I know everything about the Saturn story, this video more than proves me wrong. I'm exceptionally impressed that you went as far as to record all the frames for specific inputs. Well done! Sidenote: I forget the name of the golf game at the end but that joke had me in stitches

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Thank you Jonii! By the way, that’s Craig Stadler from the game Pebble Beach Golf Links, widely known as the greatest Sega Saturn game.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Jeffrey might be tough, but no one is tougher than Craig.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Same Name, Different Game You can’t hassle the Staddle

[@novelezra]

OK. So. I heard of your channel through some retrogaming twitter accounts who reported on your VC video. So I got half way through your Virtua Cop video and thought "No. I need to watch the rest before finishing this." I just want to say that it is an absolute travesty that your channel hasn't popped off yet. Your early videos were witty, weird and informative but as they go along its so wonderful to see how much you began to believe in yourself and delved deeper into your research. I know it sucks knowing that you put so much work into this project but seriously; this is so fucking fascinating. I've never watched a series that goes this deep into the time line of a console; especially one as interesting and tragic as the Saturn. I also LOVE how much 90s media you put in. The skateboarding, the radio shows etc. It really sets the mood and reminds you of what it was like to grow up during that time. Listening to HUM's Electa2000 and boasting that your RPG came on 4 CD's.

[@TheBigExclusive]

Nice video. You deserve more subscribers. These documentary videos are epic.

[@justineckard3665]

I had the Pack-In version when i was a kid. Even though it looks gross, it still has a very nostalgic feeling. Great detail in this video, and very thorough research!

[@rustymixer2886]

Namco vs Sega, pole position vs hang on, winning cup 91 vs vr, vf vs tekken, countless battles

[@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77]

Interesting content. I love all the research that goes into these -- much better than the typical retro video that focuses more on personal reminiscence of playing an old game. I do have one minor quibble: playing VF well has less to do with reflexes and more to do with anticipating what your opponent wants to do and knowing the properties of both your and their moves. Fighting games are one of the few types of games where you will regularly see guys in their 30s or 40s getting top placement for that reason.

[@mrbig2648]

Another thoroughly researched video. Good to see you back! I think a little bit of negativity is warranted when discussing Sega in mid-95, especially when it comes from a place of passion, as it does with you. I expect things to get more positive again as we hit the Sega Rally/VF2/Virtua Cop period on onwards. Keep up the great work :)

[@TheBoneHeadClan]

Holy crap dude, and I thought your researching and testing was next level in my last comment. 😂 ROCK ON!!

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Thanks!! You might like the Virtua Racing and Parodius videos if you enjoyed this one.

[@TheBoneHeadClan]

@@PandaMoniumReviews I'll get there. I've got another 9-12 to go first, haha.

[@Larry]

Out of curiosity, did the ST-V version of Virtua Fighter Remix have any improvements?

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

I haven’t had the chance to play it, since ST-V hardware and games are not super common. But since the architecture between that board and the Saturn are so similar, I would bet it’s the same game. The two machines were designed so that porting games between the two would be an easy and quick process. Though sometimes, there are slight differences. IIRC, Dark Legend has some different sounds on ST-V, but the sprite work and gameplay are the same.

[@Larry]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Golden Axe: The Duel has twice as many frames of animation as the Saturn version, but it was made before the 1MB/4MB cartridge was a thing.

[@SMGSnipeyMcGee]

Love your reviews, you should have way more subscribers.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Thank you Shane! I actually just reached 1K yesterday. :D

[@calebpriceproductions2412]

How in the heck do you have this much time to make this high quality of documentaries on every game??

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

I’m just a guy who enjoys my hobby. :)

[@durrclips746]

That japanese art is SIIIIIICK

[@eccentricshaft7062]

I was worried that the break would mean the end of the walrus. As the video went I grew more and more nervous, then boom, all was right with the world.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

EccentricShaft Nothing can stop The Walrus.

[@worsel555]

Currently recovering from a surgery and I can't sit up for too long when I check my computer, but you better believe I sat there and watched from start to finish. Yet another video that is better than the last, your research really paid off and I was not only entertained but educated. Keep making great videos and now I REALLY want a version of that golf game at the end. Modders/Programmers, get on it.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Ken Williams Glad you enjoyed it Ken! Stay safe, and I hope your recovery goes well. :)

[@iwanttocomplain]

I had a dream/nightmare about a baby cone head who was sleeping next to me and being very demanding and I needed to look after it even though it’s terrifying and super annoying. Virtua Racing on Genesis does not lag by the way. It doesn’t drop a frame at any point, maintaining 15fps at all times. Fun fact. A version of Virtua Fighter was actually finished for the SVP chip. Here’s hoping it turns up at some point.

[@jameswalt1]

The history pieces at the beginning of your vids are so awesome man. Great work.

[@ThickpropheT]

"no one hates Sega more than the people who love Sega" ROFL Nice frame by frame breakdown, that was cool. i work in software and I often see build comments like the ones you mentioned. in all likelihood, the "tweak" consists of one or two changes that are so small that nobody will notice and/or the change only applies to one or two characters in specific situations. Or, it's possible that the changes don't yield ANY visible difference. People have a tendency to over embellish these sorts of things.

[@MisterBigMack]

So I’m still slowly making my way through these videos and loving them, The research you must of gone through to get all this is incredible, it looks like the amount that a big video game documentary would go and get and you are just doing it for your KZbin channel and that is incredible Thanks so much for what your doing 👍

[@eb3fan]

The most interesting video you've done yet. Keep up the good work PandaM

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

eb3fan Thanks! :)

[@Bofner]

Damn, idk how I missed this video. As always I'm astounded by your level of dedication to the history and gameplay. Loved the Gypsy song. I recognized it from a sample Nujabes did and I never knew the original song. What a crazy coincidence

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Bofner Funny you mention that. I wound up discovering Gypsy through Nujabes. They slap real good. Earlier this year, I found out they’re local, and still do live performances in Minnesota. I had plans to see them in March, but that’s obviously gonna have to wait now.

[@Bofner]

@@PandaMoniumReviews That would have been awesome, and that's so cool that you know Nujabes. Seems like most people I meet have never heard of him

[@Bofner]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Finally went back and gave that whole album a listen today. Wow. It really does slap real good

[@Galgomite]

I really liked Sega’s original “Virtua” style. The clean, flat shaded polygons were what I thought of when I pictured high-end virtual reality simulations at the time and Virtua Racing (VR) and Virtua Fighter exemplified that. While I also liked other styles like that of Toshinden on PlayStation, I kinda hated the mutt look that came with low poly graphics and low res texture maps. Virtua Fighter Remix was the worst such offender- it was at an awkward adolescent moment between what was out of date and what was coming next. I remember playing it at a friends house and while I love how that game plays, it really looked generic compared to the original, which had this bold visual style. I understand why Sega would be in a hurry to prove that they could make texture mapped fighters but I wish they could have leaned even more into the flat shaded polys instead.

[@tournaline3448]

You weren’t alone, I felt the same thing. I always liked the high-res clean look of the original Virtua games.

[@Lightblue2222]

Yep and the flat shaded look has actual shading on the characters too. The light points from different directions each stage. The texture mapped characters had none of that. So it's possible the flat shaded was actually more "technically" impressive. Clean cut polygons aged better than fuzzy texture mapping.

[@RichDuckKing]

I never got my free copy of Remix. I still harass the Sega Twitter account about it today.

[@philmason9653]

This was great. It's obvious there was a ton of work put in, both on the research & editing fronts. Nicely done.

[@robertdanker6193]

Love this video!!! The Saturn is one of my favorite consoles of all time. Picked up a Saturn at launch for 399.99 and was lucky to get the Remix for free during the promotion! I always thought it should have been the original pack in. I am sure it would have helped Sega in those early days, but I feel that Sony would have still won that generation as they had so many other games and not to mention sports titles that Sega didn't have.

[@boredbeyondbelief]

Amazing video and very well researched. Subscribed!

[@Pimpeaux]

"Nobody hates Sega more than the people who love Sega" **glances at the buggy Saturn port of Quake that I spent $50 on.** This is the truest thing that anyone has ever said about anything.

[@signorpaldoni]

That is not a garbage port. For the time it was really amazing. Now the doom port..i suggest you try that ...

[@CasperEgas]

@@signorpaldoni Yes, a very good port for the time.

[@mrbig2648]

The Saturn Quake port was a minor miracle, amazing considering the limitations of 32 bit consoles.

[@Pimpeaux]

Saturn Quake is a marvelous game; it's just not very practical. I'm not trying to downplay how brilliant the game is technically, but there's just no reason to own it provided how nebulous and expensive it is unless you're a superfan of amazingly weird monuments to a by-gone era. Quake Saturn a good microcosm for Sega itself honestly.

[@rhettoric]

@@Pimpeaux the physics of the Slave Driver engine is so visceral and exciting I still will often play the Saturn Quake despite having a computer that can play Quake with all the graphical adornments we expect today. It's still about the best kind of way to experience a computer FPS using a controller.

[@bjraleigh1439]

I only ever played remix after vf2. This being the case, I always saw it as a gimmicky version of the first game, and honestly felt at the time and to this day it doesn't look as nice as the original pack in saturn version. Back in the day of its arcade debut, most people would have thought the texture free appearance was an intentional design choice, and a good one at that. I can say that remix at launch would have been the better option had it been a possibility. It would have been a good sales pitch, seeing anything marketed as better, new and exclusive is certainly going to be a good thing for marketing. I think for sega to rewrite their wrong with the poor launch of the saturn, they should have created an awesome sequel to Virtua Racing and released a new saturn bundle called the VIRTUA BOX Trio, with copies of Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Cop 2 and Virtua Racing 2. A light gun included in the bundle wouldn't hurt either.

[@ronanfaria3239]

Wow, another fantastic episode! Just amazing, brilhant and very polish! Thanks for all your very hard work.

[@Gr4yF0x]

This video is absolutely phenomenal. Thank you.

[@mattoliver18]

Playing catchup on these but fantastic work!

[@ElectricVikingTube]

My guy, this is honestly incredible.

[@DNGMaestro]

Amazing research, editing and overall effort! Great stuff man!

[@rhettoric]

Every video needs a Craig Stadler easter egg. Thank you so much.

[@tveye363]

Fantastic video. This was a history lesson I never knew I needed

[@link13thedude]

Goddammit dude you are a comedic mastermind with this editing. I love these videos.

[@ttvp]

Great review! I really appreciated how you dug through ancient message boards/usenet discussions to better understand the attitudes at the time. I was never any good at fighting games myself so I tended to prefer to watch other people play lol.

[@WhiteDingo79]

Back in action with a great review!!

[@scottparker9078]

Just found your videos man! When are ya completing the saturn reviews?!! JK but seriously thanks for all the info and effort you put into these reviews buddy. SEEEEEEEGAAAAA!

[@nrXic]

I realize this is 2 years too late and may not be as helpful but you misunderstood what SEGA was saying about the changes to the response time. They were talking about controller input latency. The pack-in had pretty bad input latency and it's one of the reasons why the 32X version plays better. There are lots of ways to measure it. One way is to record yourself pressing the button and seeing how long it takes to be represented on the screen. But I want to add that your videos are great in so many respects, good work!

[@joelpetersmedia]

That ending has me dying and I don't even know what's going on

[@SolarChip]

You've outdone yourself with this one :)

[@Siegfried39ify]

Thanks for your work!!!

[@MarioPfhorG]

Makes you wish they'd simply waited til 02/09/95 as originally planned and released both versions of VF on the one disc. Should've had "Remix" as like a "Saturn Enhanced Mode" in the menu. If it had both as a pack-in that would've been great.

[@Sinn0100]

When I picked up my Sega Saturn and Sony PlayStation at the PSX's launch Virtua Fighter was the big game I wanted to play. For some reason, I never cared for the first Tekken. I remember seeing Virtua Fighter in the arcades by happenstance around its first week. I walked into my local arcade to try and get some quality SF2 Championships Edition play (I think this was the newest one at the time). Too my surprise no one was playing Street Fighter 2 and that was an odd sight. At this point, I'm completely bewildered by what was happening and I could hear a very large crowd in the back somewhere...did a new Street Fighter 2 launch? I walked to the back to catch a glimpse of an arcade cab I have never seen before, intrigued I went to see what everyone was going crazy over. What I saw was simply something I could not explain nor comprehend. Fully realized 3d characters moving in a three dimensional space and it was buttery smooth. I wanted the game right then and there but I knew my Sega Genesis/Sega CD nor Snes could do such a thing. Flash forward to that September of 1995 and on the way home I had images of that first time flooding my mind. I was going to be able to play Virtua Fighter in all of its glory right in my bedroom and nothing else mattered. None of the other new games I bought for both the PlayStation and Saturn were going to compare...or so I thought. Unfortunately, the Saturn port was not where it should have been and I was...not happy. Bad polygon flicker, characters disappearing during the replays, and something just felt off. I told myself, maybe this is the way it is and these new machines are great at least it's close...that is until I popped in Ridge Racer into my PlayStation. Holy shit was that a mother f'ing showstopper. From that point forward I began to really worry about Sega in the 32-bit generation. Thankfully, Virtua Fighter was not my only new Saturn game and Panzer Dragoon really set the tone right. If only Sega had kept pushing titles like that... Addendum- I got my copy of Virtua Fighter Remix by calling the 1-800-USA-SEGA. Oh and Sega did a promotion like the free Virtua Fighter Remix before. When Sonic The Hedgehog became the pack in for the Genesis, Sega gave away copies of the game with proof of purchase from the Altered Beast pack-in version. That's how I got my "NOT FOR RESALE" copy of Sonic

[@jonbourgoin182]

10:40 it would be amazing if you were somehow able to track down someone who actually worked at Sega customer service call center and interview them. That would be awesome...what an interesting job that must've been to have.

[@ROOMBAfloorvac]

I always look forward to a new Saturn vid!

[@nal101]

I think it was Christmas of 96 when I got my Saturn, it came with Virtua fighter 2, virtual cop, and Daytona USA as the pack-in games.

[@CasperEgas]

He is back! Nice.

[@natheannzbar7925]

I bought this game recently, getting a Saturn soon 😆 excited to finish it, as a huge VF fan

[@jeremybowers3181]

I remember getting this in the mail (for free) after submitting my Sega Saturn registration card I believe. And being completely blown away. 👊💥🇺🇲

[@Mitsuraga]

You know the cover art for this game was used as the cover for the one-shot Marvel Comics adaptation? I don't know whether it originated from the comic and then was used for the cover of Remix, or vice versa, but it's still cool to know about. I actually have that book. It's okay.

[@smithcorona2112]

He’s back!

[@pliniocscj]

"No one hates Sega more than the people who love Sega" I have to disagree with that one. Sega's own management hates Sega more than anything.

[@JPIndustrie]

Wow tbh I never knew why the game existed until I saw this video 😂 I was one of the lucky few to be able to get a Saturn in sept 95 and remember getting VFR free in the mail. I remember being so proud gloating to my ps1 classmates “does only give you free games” 😅

[@planescaped]

Knowing Sega they probably held off on releasing Remix with the America launch because it wasn't ready to put out in Japan, and they refused to let America have a game before Japan got it. They've done it before! Good lord was Sega run like such a chaotic mess at this time.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

That’s very possible! A similar issue happened with the Saturn port of SimCity 2000.

[@planescaped]

@@PandaMoniumReviews I can remember my older brother giving out about it when I was a kid, though I don't remember which games they did it with. I've also been working my way through all your uploads so I'll get there. :P

[@GhibliNova]

You didnt test the input delay they mentioned, (film in slo-mo, and count how many frames it takes for the button input to show up on screen)

[@rustymixer2886]

Sega of America biggest rival, was Sega of Japan

[@Mitsuraga]

28:09 I can't hear this music without my brain putting Dunkey over it.

[@thesch2867]

"Nobody hates SEGA more than people who love SEGA" Yep that's absolutely true. So many great ips and great dev studios all being held back thanks to nonsensical corporate decisions.

[@Liboo52]

Reviews are in, Virtua Fighter Remix is bitchin’

[@TboneTenEighties]

Love the Saturn. Just purchased my first Japanese console. White model 2. Very late to the party yes, but man! buying new games is addicting and fun all over again. I have VF2 and just recently purchased VF Remix. I never got a free copy back in the day 😭. So I had to get Remix in the collection. Ram cart fighters are a blast. I own two fighter sticks from back when making them even better. I now see why the Saturn was more successful in Japan. Many more great titles that never made it to the states. My og black model 2 still works flawlessly. It totally sucks how that great piece of hardware was handled. The people behind the console are the true failures. They done f'd up a great creation. SEGA!!!

[@StoneGreninja]

this is great

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

Tried this game recently and Its kind of... It honestly took a while to explaining how the game feels because I was pretty mixed on it at first. The game feels both slow and fast. I say slow because you don’t really have many options for movement and the run doesn’t feel smooth when transitioning back into a normal fight stance. The game does have ways to get back up quickly and wake up attacks so its not too bad when it comes to getting back on your feet. Now I say fast because regardless of what I mentioned previously you gotta be on your toes with the Computer opponent. After a few matches they will definitely start to outspeed and shower you with attacks that will often ignore any moves you try to do to them. The computer can pick a move that will out speed yours and will focus on trying to knock you down most of a match or out of the ring. The Difficulty is random for every playthrough. Your first can be tough, your second could be easier, third it could be harder than the first, fourth can be the hardest group of matches you’ve had so far and the fifth could be the easiest run you’ve ever had with the game. Sometimes when you think you’ve got the game down already. The next play through can make it feel the exact opposite. It was interesting as I’ve never had a fighting game act like this before. I also noticed the damage of certain moves aren’t consistent either. Some characters have some moves that do a whole lot of damage at the start of a round. A good example is Akira. He has a move that knocked out 70-80% of my health at the start of the round. Other times it looks like only 35-40% damage was done. Another good example would be Kage, Pai and Sarah’s Backflip kick. A few times they were able to knock out half of my health when it was still full. I’m not sure why the game does this other than it seems like the fighter that achieves first blood with a stronger attack gets extra damage done to the other. This aspect should have had a little more balance but then again if it was like that in the original arcade. Then it seems like a great way for the opponent to eat up your quarters. Its Not a bad game at all by any means but you can definitely tell its one of the very first 3D fighting games for any home console. I guess its still alright today for a game released back in 1993-95. Definitely better than Battle Arena Toshinden. Can’t wait for the review of that one.

[@agent109g8]

Were there people really complaining? I thought the pack in was great, but at the same time I was 15 and didn't know what the expectations were at the time.

[@AssaulteedOne]

It's no wonder why the Saturn failed in North America - the more you look at the timeline via each game's release it becomes more and more tragic. Rushed release of the system & games, no foresight to hit the market first with the better version of available games (see Daytona USA, VF rather than Remix), no thought to what the competition will do next, not having a long term plan to keep growing it's biggest IP, lack of oversight when outsourcing... it's staggering. Still love me Saturn though 👍

[@rustymixer2886]

It looks great for 30fps

[@AliAhmed-yo1dp]

Another amazing review btw what's the song at 10:52

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Thank you! That song is Gypsy Queen Part 2 from the band Gypsy, a lovely psych rock group from the 60’s/70’s. Fun fact: They are still doing live performances to this very day.

[@AliAhmed-yo1dp]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Thank you very much and keep up the good work I look forward to your future reviews :)

[@roberto1519]

This is news to me, they had Remix ready even for the rushed surprise Saturn launch? Man, I'm starting to feel more than disappointed with each new piece of info about how SEGA f%%ed themselves hard. Almost like they deserved.

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

Is there a way to run VF Remix without the textures so it looks like the original arcade version? Hard to say if that would be any better anyway, but it would be great to have a non shaded version with the better non glitchy graphics. I got the Saturn on launch day here in Australia, which was in September, and although i bought the package that had 2 controllers and 3 games ($899 for that, or $799 with just one pad and VF) but i had to wait almost 2 weeks before Daytona USA arrived in the mail. It was not available to buy on launch day. When i had preordered my machine there were no 3 game packs left to order, but the game shop i bought it from did the same deal, and gave me a retail boxed controller and Clockwork Night with it on the day. I played Virtua Fighter for pretty nearly 2 weeks straight, and hardly did anything else. When Daytona arrived in the mail that was all i did for MONTHS, couldn't get enough of it!! Wasn't until i went to an arcade 6 months later that i realised Daytona wasn't close to Arcade perfect!!

[@VirtuaBros]

Great video once again. For some reason I thought pack in often ran at less than 30 fps. Do you happen to know offhand what the arcade version's frame rate was?

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Virtua Bros Thanks dude! Love your content as well. Pack in seemed to always give me a somewhat steady 30 FPS. Game journalists of the 90’s say the arcade version also runs at 30, which I believe to be accurate. It wouldn’t be until Virtua Fighter 2 when Sega finally reached that crisp 60 FPS.

[@thesch2867]

PandaMonium Reviews Apparently VF1 ended up being 30FPS due to the lack of time AM2 had to optimize code but at least those 30FPS are solid. Similar to other arcade games Model2 VF2 runs at a weird framerate which is 57.5 FPS for some reason while the Saturn port runs at 60FPS.

[@VirtuaBros]

@@thesch2867 ayyy! Oh cool I never knew that the Saturn version of vf2 had a higher framerate than the arcade version 😲

[@RolandoMarreroPR]

So Remix is solid 30 FPS or mostly 30 FPS?

[@thesch2867]

Rolando Marrero All versions of VF1 are a solid 30FPS unless you count VF 10th Anniversary which runs at 60FPS personally i think it doesn't count because that's a remake of VF1 made using VF4Evo's engine and characters.

[@elZorroN16]

I love you.

[@sambeussman7239]

Just imagine if Sega made Panzer Dragoon the pack in game and released Virtua Fighter Remix as the official Virtua Fighter for Saturn a month or two later. Battle Arena Toshingen would have been just a lame duck PS1 launch because there is no rushed Virtua Fighter to compare to, Tekken's impact would have been diminished because Virtua Fighter is the better and more balanced game, Dragoon would have shown gamers the capabilities of not only the Saturn but what 5th generation consoles could provide, and there would be much less ammunition for critics to fire at Sega for their botchery. Who knows if the Saturn would have survived the PlayStation's early barrage of games, but still.

[@thatryeguy6145]

I think if Sega had a better port of Daytona, as well as Virtua Fighter Remix at Saturn launch, things could have been much different.

[@metronome8471]

The OG Virtua Fighter still plays better than toshinden and tekken ever did. Imo the blocky look makes it graphically unique from every 3d fighter since.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Aaron Dill I do agree. I much prefer the blocky look seen in the arcade version. The Saturn’s first VF looked sloppy.

[@rhettoric]

@@PandaMoniumReviews I really hope that M2 will do to Virtua Fighter arcade what they did to Virtua Racing recently on the switch. Virtua Fighter has never had an arcade accurate port, and I agree that flat-shaded look is beautiful now, it holds up much better than any of the texture-mapped stuff from the era.

[@ENiceGeo]

FIST on the Saturn was also a blocky looking 3D fighting game.

[@msd5808]

They should have just updated with a day one patch

[@bobcharlotte8724]

Great video! I've never liked Remix. While far higher quality the look is changed so much that it doesn't look like VF1 anymore. The charm is gone.

[@barryschalkwijk9388]

remix was an apology and they hadn't sold the original yet to usa customers.

[@jordanbisasky4586]

Bummer how this could have been sold at launch as "better than the arcade" like Soul Caliber on Dreamcast.

[@TheRealDustinNunn]

The best Virtua Fighter games that I highly recommend are: 1. Virtua Fighter Remix (Sega Saturn). 2. Virtua Fighter 2 (Sega Saturn). 3. Virtua Fighter 3: TB (Sega Dreamcast). 4. Virtua Fighter 4: Final Tuned (Arcade). And 5. Virtua Fighter 5: Ultimate Showdown (Sony PS4).

[@DARS_04]

Well, this sucks. My PC can't handle Saturn Emulation those games look so cool! (OG hardware isn't an option :).

[@atomiswave2]

Vf2 sold a lot of consoles in Japan

[@ENFDO]

24:47 come on is not a Vf2 sega saturn snapshot. It’s a vf2 arcade snapshot. The same snapshot u see in the retail launch box.