Virtua Tennis 2 (Dreamcast vs PlayStation 2) Gameplay Comparison

[@vcdecide]

A tip for those who don't have a "TRAINED EYE" and can't tell the difference between the Dreamcast and PlayStation 2 versions... The tip is: Watch the video at 0.25 speed and you will see the difference between DC and PS2, or rather, the difference between 480p and 480i. Remember that the Dreamcast's 480p is 640x480p, While the PS2's 480i is 512x448i. What does this mean? It means that the PS2 version has less than half the resolution of the Dreamcast version. And no, this has nothing to do with the fact that this game is a port of a Dreamcast game or that it's an early PS2 game, because this game was released on PS2 at the end of 2002. Remember that the PS2 was released in 2000, so a game released at the end of 2002 can't be an early PS2 game. I didn't want to comment on any of this... but since there are people in the comments trying to discredit the video, I was forced to comment on these things. The problem is not with the video, but with your lack of a trained eye and inability to see the differences that are right in front of you. Regarding the cables used in the capture, they are the usual ones, which are VGA BOX + VGA cable on the Dreamcast and Monster brand component cable on the PS2 (it’s worth noting that this Monster component cable is of higher quality than the original PS2 component cable).

[@mightyhadi6132]

This just shows that powerful hardware means nothing if there is no tools, great API or bad at codding and bad optimizations. People said that PS2 only has 4 MB VRAM, this is false because 4 MB is not a VRAM but more of a "cache " to the unified main RAM 32 MB), those eDRAM are super fast and low latencies, is just people at that time doesn't utilize that cache benefit until late times and many games during PS2 late games are different from early release. And yes this is another lazy ports as well that optimizes for Sega Dreamcast.

[@vcdecide]

An important note: Virtua Tennis 2 is not an original Dreamcast game, but rather an original Naomi (Arcade) game... and what does this mean? It means that the Dreamcast version is also a port, just like the PS2 version. Another important note about the Dreamcast's "AA" is that it can be applied to specific objects instead of being applied to the entire scene, depending on the developer's choice. One more important and interesting note is how SEGA made the "Tennis Net" in the PS2 version (I won't give many details about this, but if you know how to observe, you will notice...) and since we are talking about the net, we can see through it the difference between 8MB Video and 4MB Video. And since I didn't explain how SEGA made the "Tennis NET" on the PS2, I'll give you a hint to help you figure out what SEGA did on the PS2... the hint is that the PS2 doesn't do AA, but it can achieve other effects that can be used instead of AA. Yes, it's not as efficient as AA, but it's still an option for the PS2 to mitigate the lack of AA.

[@vcdecide]

People are used to associating Naomi and Dreamcast as if they were the same thing, but the truth is they are not. That’s why it won’t be possible for exclusive Naomi games to run on a Dreamcast, unlike with Atomiswave games. We can say that the difference between Naomi and Dreamcast is the same as the difference between Neo Geo MVS and Neo Geo CD, meaning they are different enough that a game released for the MVS/Naomi would be a port, not the same version. Exclusive MVS and NAOMI games that haven’t received a port for Neo Geo CD or Dreamcast will remain unported, as there are significant differences between the architectures of these hardware systems, even though many think they are the same. Even Virtua Tennis 2 on Arcade (NAOMI) has differences compared to the Dreamcast version, not being exactly the same game, although an untrained person might think they are 100% equivalent.

[@vcdecide]

It's worth noting that the goal of the channel is to enable you to develop your own perception without relying on others. That’s why I hate having to keep commenting on these things, as the purpose of the channel is not to give spoilers. In any case, all of this serves to show that many people are unable to see the numerous differences without someone pointing them out. If people truly knew how to observe the differences on their own, the history of video games would have been different in every generation. Yes, in every generation, because people are swayed by marketing, and if marketing says that console X is more powerful than console Y, people will believe it and buy into the idea, even if it means the opposite in the games shared between the two systems. For example, look at the PS3 and Xbox 360. What does it matter if the PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360 when multiplatform games almost always performed better on the Xbox 360? What good is it that the Saturn was more powerful in 3D than the PS1 when 3D games on the PS1 often had superior performance compared to those on the Saturn?

[@jsr734]

Hello, No, Virtua Tennis or Sega Sports Tennis (USA) is a 640x448i game not 512x448i. Something strange that i noticed with this game is that the screen tends to flicker from time to time. That is the screen flickers even with the Ps2 pluged with component cables to a modern lcd tv. I don´t know exactly why it happens, or if its a bug but i have noticed a few other Ps2 field rendered games doing that. Its as if they are flipping the field order constantly on a timed fashion or when a new screen is loaded. Some games i have noticed doing this are: Street Fighter EX3 (only when loading/unloading a new screen/stage), Arcana Heart 2 (very evident flickering in game), Capcom vs SNK 2 (only when loading/unloading a new scene) and Marvel Vs Capcom 2 (again only when loading/unloading a new scene).

[@crestofhonor2349]

Dreamcast looks better as it looks like the PS2 is 480i while the Dreamcast is doing the full 480p. Textures are also better on the Dreamcast as well

[@Marmite101]

Textures always messy on PS2, but SEGA really hated the PS2 😂😂😂

[@ohjoshua67]

​@Marmite101 It was hard to develop for because of its emotion engine processor whereas the dreamcast is much more easier to develop for

[@joet7136]

Games on the Dreamcast always looked sharper and more vibrant than the same games on the PS2. I wish we still had a 3 way battle of consoles makers with Sony, Nintendo and Sega.

[@Marmite101]

It was NAMCO, Sega and Nintendo... Sony just made the console

[@yeahhbuddy3932]

Dreamcast clear winner

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

Especially if you ignore the heavy aliasing issues in the Dreamcast net because you didn't expect to see them.

[@nathanmerritt1581]

@@juststatedtheobvious9633 you can add all the nitpicking you want, but the Dreamcast would still be better.

[@SketchTurnerZero]

@@juststatedtheobvious9633 Actually since the Dreamcast was hooked up to CRT TVs, you didn't see these issues due to the nature of CRTs

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

@@SketchTurnerZero In the real world, we could tell Dead or Alive 2 on PS2 had similar background aliasing issues. CRT wasn't a universal cure all.

[@kiriyama83]

@@juststatedtheobvious9633 Pero ps2 consigue que no se vea los dientes de sierra a base de más borrosidad y menos definición.

[@Crystallums]

This game was definitely made for the Dreamcast... it's amazing how good it looks on this console! better color, definition and textures. The PS2 version is not bad but unfortunately it falls below the expected level, perhaps due to poor optimization or something similar.

[@pires7spc]

Dreamcast wins, over.

[@southsidetherealest2860]

no its do to dreamcast having more virtual memory and gpu features that the ps2 dont have

[@Crystallums]

@@southsidetherealest2860 Not at all... it's just a poorly optimized port, since the RAMBUS type memory of the PS2 and the EDRAM of its GPU have much higher and more efficient performance than those of Dreamcast, as time has confirmed.

[@T-13lambo]

The game was designed around Naomi. it is clear that the Dreamcast wins 😂. I love this game in Dreamcast 🎉

[@Dash120z]

Dreamcast's video output is amazing.

[@djm9937]

I love these videos, and I find it helpful when you do tell us the differences as i don't spot them all :)

[@UncannyBubbleGum]

Man the difference is staggering, holy %$# Dreamcast wins by a mile.

[@justanotherchannel863]

Dreamcast was a direct port from the arcade. It was a great system. Just too bad it didn't follow the trend of home consoles. At this time people was into tomb raider and not arcade 1v1 games.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

Yeah, people wanted more for $50 than an arcade game that takes 30 minutes to beat that had no real replay value.

[@gamerxt333]

@@SomeOrangeCat Except VT2 was more like a console game with the extra modes. And a game like VT has a ton of replay value.

[@RetroGamesBoy78]

Tomb Raider was on Dreamcast, along with many many non arcade games, several by Sega Themselves, but actually, a game like this is exactly what you wanted when your friends came round, also I personally lived for arcade ports, and funny enough, PS2 had plenty of them too, and they sold very well, just like they had Continued to do so on the PS1.

[@RetroGamesBoy78]

​​@@SomeOrangeCatfortunately the Dreamcast had you covered, but you wouldn't know that would you, because you like open your mouth without knowing the facts, i see you coming out with this sorta $h!t all the time. I wonder how many DC games you can actually name?

[@ditozbk5798]

The net is smooth in PS2 because it seems being just a texture, instead Dreamcast's version being fully 3D

[@retrooutput]

PS2 seems to have had a few frame issues in the interval sections but seems smoother looking at the net. Dreamcast has a very crisp image and it's a game made around arcade hardware similar in design to the DC so fully expect it to be the lead system.

[@HielUFF]

More resolution and better AA handling in the dreamcast, here in the video the difference is not so noticeable but in person when you are in front of your CRT the difference in cleanliness in the image of the dreamcast version is enormous. Dreamcast wins by a long shot.

[@redfoxbennaton]

I don't see any anti-ailising on the DC's net.

[@HielUFF]

​@@redfoxbennaton The Naomi board, which is the same as that of the Dreamcast, handles full screen AA filters, something that the PS2 could not do.

[@jsr734]

I don´t see any AA on the Dreamcast side neither. The Ps2 version looks jaggier because is using "filed rendering" and it has a graphics´s bug that makes the screen flicker from time to time.

[@HielUFF]

@@jsr734 I said clearly in my first comment that this is not clearly seen in the video, although you can see it on the edges of the characters, it is a KZbin video where the differences are much less palpable than seeing it live, what you appreciate here at least is very marked by witnessing it live, I test my own games with original hardware.

[@stephandolby]

The Dreamcast only offers supersampling anti-aliasing, and as far as I'm aware, it was never used in a commercial title because it requires rendering at a much higher resolution and reducing the image in size, thus quadrupling the fill rate requirements on hardware that already had fill rate restrictions. I imagine the only reason people thought it did is because Dreamcast games were generally in 480p which looks less "jaggy" than 480i or similar resolutions.

[@PixelShade]

Architecturally the PS2 had certain advantages (like fill rate and poly count). However, resolution, texture quality, texture filtering and video output were never its strong point. I still believe that the Dreamcast had A LOT of untapped potential. It was incredibly easy to get started with, especially since it was quite similar to the PCs of the time. However, in order to utilize the SH-4 properly (with its accelerated floating point instruction set) you had to shift from C-programming to machine programming (assembly). Japanese developers did this of course, companies like Sega and Capcom. But a lot of western developers did not. That's why you can also see a huge difference in performance levels of the machine. also, very few games (or none at all) utilized the incredible texture compression formats of the PoverVR2. Compared to all other consoles the DC had a 16-color texture format (which is perfectly viable for single color material textures like, grass, stone, wood etc) with a compression rate of 32:1 instead of 4:1 (!!!!!). meaning that you could theoretically fit 60MB worth of textures on the 8MB of VRAM. Another thing; games seldomly used was normal maps (bump mapping), although the machine had accelerated hardware support for it. I still would love to see what the DC could do if developers had more time with it.

[@djm9937]

I missed your recent playing and doing random tests on OPL using GSM. I hope this gets a release on your videos :)

[@japangamejunk]

I have them both; this inspired me to try something similar with the Dreamcast using VGA and the PS2 using a D-video cable and TOSlink. I have a feeling Dreamcast would still look a little better but PS2 will be sounding much better.

[@dallase1]

Imagine how even better looking the Dreamcast version would be if it had the DCHDMI Installed on it.

[@thomaselers7416]

This was an easy one : Dreamcast is clearly superior. Thanks for a great upload VC

[@Raven-rv3uj]

What tool do you use for showing the controller inputs?

[@edsstokes]

DC games always outshone the muddier fuzzier graphics on PS2. Dreamcast was the genuine experience of having vibrant, arcade graphics in your own home. No one can take that staggering achievement away from Sega.

[@santitabnavascues8673]

Dreamcast larger video memory pays here: has larger textures and resolution is also higher. They got to avoid the infamous ps2 colorspace somehow, and both versions have really vibrant colors, so good for them 😅

[@yukatoshi]

Yeah, this isn't quite the same as you seem to think. PS2 tends to brute strength data with high bandwidth. DC is more classic for the era relying more on data fetched from RAM.

[@denverwood5290]

Hard to believe the dreamcast looks better.

[@mendez704]

The Dreamcast looks sharper all the way up!

[@oldschooldriver]

which emulators do you use?

[@turbinegraphics16]

I brought this when it was new on ps2, even used the 4 player adaptor. Would have preferred to get it on on Dreamcast.

[@jasonlee7816]

would you prefer to play another PS2 tennis game?

[@turbinegraphics16]

@@jasonlee7816 No it was good, I liked the look of Virtua Tennis 1 better though

[@israelgonzalezabrego3551]

Now all SNK games, Hyper Street fighter and Street Fighter III 3rd Strike!

[@nezxd5516]

Dreamcast ❤

[@historiarevista]

Do 1 pro 2 me pareceu que os personagens ficaram com menos detalhados e tiraram os torcedores em 3d que ficavam nas primeiras filas. Mas ainda era muito legal assim mesmo.

[@charlesdomario9336]

Não , nos demais cenários possuem

[@maroon9273]

Dreamcast

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

best tennis game ever. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. best played in 4 player on a beamer connected through VGA with good sound system. It has great music and splendid sound effects you can even put it to another language and have some laughs with your friends. To be fair to the PS2. Sega would never enhance anything for the PS2 port obviously. So most if not all Sega Dreamcast games ported to the PS2 will not be better. But hey, PS@ now also has the best tennis game ever. Just better played on the DC obviously This ps2 game cannot be forced to play in 480p on playstation It can be forced to widescreen on the DC (and perhaps also on the ps2) which is the preffered way of playing

[@vcdecide]

At the time, this game was considered the best tennis game. The reviews that gaming magazines gave to Virtua Tennis 1 and 2 were very good and higher than any other game in the genre. Even today, it is a very fun game, especially when playing with 4 players at the same time.

[@gamerxt333]

Virtua Tennis 3 is probably better, even if not the music.

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

@@gamerxt333 VT3 is a pretty bad tennis game, actually

[@gamerxt333]

Hows that ? The gameplay is mainly the same with graphics improvements. Okay, maybe the mini games are not as good either.

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

@@gamerxt333 3 sucks. Don't ever bring it up again.

[@pgr3290]

Looks fine but there's several better looking PS2 tennis games anyway, Top Spin and 2005 Roland Garros for example probably more advanced visually

[@matttheshadowman2790]

Something else to mention, which probably also did not help the PS2 version was that was pressed on to a CD-ROM (and not a DVD, you cheapskates at Sega, and Acclaim who published the PS2 version, in Europe at least) while on Dreamcast it was on a larger capacity GD-ROM. Dunno if any compression came from that on PS2 but it does feel rougher than the Dreamcast version.

[@salvatoresammarco2419]

Dreamcast great machine 👏

[@joaopires1761]

This is one where the Dreamcast wins by a long distance. The PS2 port just wasn't optimised, animations aren't smooth at all.

[@athos5359]

ps2 version runs 30fps ,that s why.

[@vinisepulveda]

Dreamcast>PS2

[@raihanfarrelofficial]

Why no Maria Sharapova & Novak Djokovic?

[@JohnCharb87]

Woah!! When you you put the camera closer behind the players I noticed something. Look at the top of the Net. The Playstation 2 version the white section is seamless and smooth. On Dreamcast on the other hand it has this weird jagged look. Also the net shadow on the Dreamcast version is mostly fragmented. While the Playstation 2's shadow stays consistent. 0.25 speed shows little details.

[@ditozbk5798]

Because in Dreamcast's version the net is fully 3D. In PS2 it seems being just a texture.

[@Devilhelll]

dreamcast melhor como sempre...

[@nimaiiikun]

Damn, the Willians sisters still around

[@mojo-eq4ln]

* Brothers 👍🏾

[@AndreAdams-i3c]

Dreamcast best looking model too

[@luzvimindajubahib3666]

(c)2001, 2024 Paramount GLobal. (c)SEGA.

[@FernandoOrdonhes]

A SEGA sempre priorizou a qualidade, enquanto a concorrência o comércio......

[@toostepsback5119]

Not bad on the PS2, but the dreamcast version is better

[@joaopires1761]

Then there's Jelena Dokic being replaced by Ai Sugiyama.

[@hazy33]

Oh dear that didn't age well 🙂Bad move by Sega

[@gabrielandy9272]

the difference is so small, you can clearly see the dreamcast version is better better textures/shading lighting everything, but is not that "OMg im going to sell my ps2 to get a dreamcast just because this little texture is better here" nah..... is still good on ps2.

[@megabyteDeSu.]

Better Anti Aliasing on PS2, but Dreamcast Wins!!!

[@cyberpc1333]

Dreamcast vence com melhores texturas e resolução, já no PS2 parece ter melhor contraste e cores!

[@bieloku01]

Dreamcast all day

[@Mista_fcn]

Dreamcast por afano

[@b1gland]

Those guys just looks like came from Shemmue lol

[@juarezmiranda]

Dreamcast muito superior contra o PS2 nesse jogo, entre outros também.

[@southsidetherealest2860]

To the kids who were not alive during CRT, Yes we noticed the ugly jaggies and disgusting textures of the ps2 compared to Dreamcast,Xbox and Gamecube being hooked up to a CRV, playstation fanboys were the same back then as they are now

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

PS2 era difícil de programar durante sus primeros años. Por algo muchos de sus juegos eran incluso inferiores gráficamente a juegos promedio de Dreamcast y de hasta n64 en casos extremos. Habría q esperar hasta God of War 1 y Shadow of the Colossus para llevar a los verdaderos límites a la consola con sus fortalezas: polígonos y efectos. Q es donde PS2 tiene mucho portento. Con ello subsana su mala calidad de imagen, texturas y resoluciones (dreamcast tiene al menos un 90% de juegos a 480p y VGA, q es mejor q componente, mientras q PS2 le costaba dar 480p o 1080i reescalados, no verdadero HD como en Xbox). Acá obviamente gana Dreamcast. Este juego es un Port casi 1:1 del original de Sega NAOMI 1, x lo tanto no hay mucho q examinar con la versión de DC. En PS2 hay menor resolución, no tanto antialiasing pero si veo mejores sombras

[@jsr734]

Ya con Devil May Cry, Gran Turismo 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, e incluso Tekken Tag Tournament ya se podían apreciar las fortalezas de la consola.

[@miguelelgueta5830]

nada de esperar, el año 2002, 1 año en el mercado PS2 ya tuvo Tekken 4, GTA3, Onimusha, Gran Turismo 3, Jax and Dexter y Metal Gear Solid 2, Sly Cooper, Devil.May Cry, Final Fantasy X etc... todos esos se meaban encima de la Dreamcast.😂 Si Sega hubiese tenido dinero y tiempo hubiesen porteado Shenmue sin problemas a Ps2, pero Microsoft les puso más dinero y se lllevaron ala Xbox, donde por cierto no vendió una mie.rd a ajaj

[@sebastiankulche]

Nadaa que ver. Ya en 2001 los juegos mas demandantes de PS2 ya le hacian frente a todo lo que Dreamcast ofrecia y ofrecio.

[@peterkowalczyk872]

Dreamcast hast little better colours, better FPS and better lightining. Also solution Looking little better Here. But ps2 hast better anti alaising?? Wtf

[@luzvimindajubahib3666]

wait

[@j.c.s7762]

PS2 Wins!

[@aryasmayodi8115]

the winner is SEGA NAOMI ARCADE, the graphics can't be beat by DC & PS2

[@vcdecide]

You are right if you are referring to graphics... but you can't consider the Naomi version better when it lacks the various content present in the Dreamcast and PS2 versions. Remember that graphics aren't everything. A good example of this is Resident Evil 4 on PS2 compared to the GameCube version. It sold more on the PS2 because the game has more content and is consequently more fun despite the inferior graphics.

[@kimitachi22]

I don't really understand the point of your message, the naomi is a dreamcast. the ps2 can't compete with the naomi in many areas, but the dreamcast can, since it's more or less the same hardware the naomi just has more system memory than the dreamcast, apart from that it's literally a dreamcast, whether it's dead or alive 2, power stone, virtua tennis, it's almost the same thing on naomi and dreamcast both released in 1998

[@vcdecide]

Saying that the Dreamcast is the same as the Naomi is like saying that the PlayStation 1 is the same as the Namco System 12.... However, both the NAOMI and the Namco System 12 have more memory and some other peculiarities that make them different from their counterparts... Although the Dreamcast is closer to the Atomiswave than to the Naomi, the same goes for the PS1, which is closer to the Namco System 11 than to the Namco System 12. That's why the Namco System 12 version of Tekken 3 has 3D stages in its arcade version, but on the PS1, it had to be downgraded to 2D stages. Dreamcast's Naomi games also have some downgrades that most people aren't able to notice, but they are there.

[@kimitachi22]

@@vcdecide there's a little more detail on the naomi games but it's still insignificant whether then or now, we're talking about perfect arcade when it comes to dreamcast games even the comparison between namco system 12 and psx is much greater, given that tekken 3, for example, has a 3d background (at least an illusion of 3d with different layers, it's not really 3d, you can tell) whereas on psx it's only 2d. ( same example for lots of games like ehrgeiz who are way better on system 12) Honestly, the dreamcast/naomi comparison is extremely subtle, even if it's a little more detailed on naomi , it's very very close , that's why everyone talk about perfect arcade and naomi was the most powerful arcade hardware in 98 until 2000 with the naomi 2 The dreamcast has shown exclusive games that are not inferior, unlike the playstation, which has never competed with the most beautiful namco system 12 games. I don't think you can compare the ps1/ system 12 with the dreamcast/ naomi the difference dream/naomi is insignificant compared to the difference ps1/system 12

[@vcdecide]

@@kimitachi22 I agree with you that the differences between Naomi and Dreamcast are subtle... After all, if people can't notice the differences between PS1 games and Namco System 12 games, where the differences are more pronounced, they obviously won't notice the differences between Naomi and Dreamcast. However, this is about people with a low level of observation, and not people like me who can spot the differences just by looking. It's because of these differences that Naomi-exclusive games won't be able to run on a Dreamcast, like Atomiswave games, for example.

[@gurujoe75]

DC - jagfest, PS2 - clear winner.

[@SEMYAZZA1982]

PS2 clear winner

[@pedrobatistalopes2833]

Dreamcast wins.

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

Then nearly bankrupted Sega. Nice.

[@Digibot88]

By far ! But we have to be honest, and I think it is legitimate to ask if the port has been fairly executed or not. But on this particular one, Dreamcast won.

[@user-qw4lm1]

dc good

[@tekinhooliveira9788]

O jogo é um port do arcade Naomi. Então é quase impossível a versão de Dreamcast não ser melhor, pois eles são praticamente o mesmo hardware. Outra coisa é que isso é um port de começo de geração no PS2.

[@heilerbb]

O ps2 perde pelo mesmo motivo de sempre, não tem antiserrilhamento, resolução menor e pelo jeito até o conversor digital pra analógico (DAC) não mantém a saturação original das cores

[@policiamilitar162]

​@@heilerbb o antiserrilhado vai de cada jogo, tem jogos que tem mais e outros que não tem, vai depender mais do jogo doque do próprio console, um grande exemplo disso era os Needs for speeds que tinha no PS2, a onde uns tinha serrilhado e outros nao

[@IronicSonic83]

god damn PS2. Use some filter for god sake!

[@argenireyes5954]

in This Channel all Dreamcast games looks better than PS2's ones, Dreamcast it's an amazing Console Ps2 has lots of feature and hght graphics game that looks insane.

[@vcdecide]

It's not that the Dreamcast is better than the PS2, but rather the fact that Dreamcast games are in 480p, while PS2 games are 480i... both are always captured through their best connections, which is VGA on the Dreamcast and Component Cable on the PS2. Obviously, 480i will never have superior quality to 480p. In terms of image quality, the Dreamcast will always have better quality, but that doesn't mean the PS2 versions are bad.

[@yukatoshi]

@@vcdecide Man, this argument lol. PS2 is a bit more powerful than DC, but DC can do a few things the PS2 can't and vice versa!

[@gamerxt333]

@@yukatoshi Many PS2 games can also use a 480 mode though. The main thing DC has over the PS2 is usually the textures, if you don't include other things from unoptimized ports.

[@yukatoshi]

@@gamerxt333 A well made PS2 game will look better than DC. However, AA is a persistent issue on PS2. When you’ve seen both on a large screen there is no comparison.

[@Clodd1]

DC.

[@FrederickHarnel]

if the dreamcast was the best, it would have sold. just because you were the only loser in the neighborhood who had it, doesn't make it any better

[@Shyning77]

Because, of course, it's always the best hardware that sells best... 🙄 Have you heard about advertisement and marketing?

[@SomeOrangeCat]

​@@Shyning77 Dreamcast was not the best hardware of that generation. Not even close.

[@Shyning77]

@@SomeOrangeCat In the console world, it was (when it was released in 1998)... until, at one point in time, a more powerful hardware was released, of course.

[@gamerxt333]

When the PS2 first launched, the DC was definetly better games wise. Sony had the media and the hype though, and therefore people like Fred "harhar" Harnel 🥴.

[@recomecoemdeus5844]

Dreamcast infelizmente não teve tempo de mostrar deu verdadeiro potencial, ele poderia ter ido atr o fim junto com PS2, Pois ele tinha seus pontos superiores a o PS2, Um deles ers a facil otimização em seus jogos por utilizar um sistema windows, So ai js mostra o grande potencial dele, Que com certeza poderia ter rodado praticamente tudo que rodou no PS2, mesmo tendo menas memória RAM, Mais seu sistema operacional e de facil otimização, mostraria o seu potencial

[@gamerxt333]

Most DC games never used Windows, and Windows wasn't perfect since it required optimization and was mainly for PC ports.

[@yukatoshi]

PS2 has weird lighting and typically awful jaggies. Not really a great showing for the SONY port.

[@jsr734]

Too bad. They missed the opportunity. There is nothing in this game that could not have been done better on the Ps2 as many other Tennis and sports games in general showed in the console.

[@yukatoshi]

@@jsr734 No doubt.

[@shaggymcdaniel3216]

The PS2 felt so premium back in 2000. It didn’t really have the games at first but we all knew PlayStation was the top dog. I’m a Dreamcast fan over PS2 any day, but I do have memories of how the PS2 felt. When the Xbox came out though, PlayStation was no more. Xbox was crazy premium feeling and Halo was insane.

[@UncannyBubbleGum]

I fetl that too, I friend of mine bought the ps2 when it came out with games like Bouncer, Zone of the Enders and Dark Cloud but also MGS2 demo disk I was impressed at a point that I wanted a PS2 no matter what lol we watched Pearl Harbor with a 5.1 surround system and it was something really special and I'm also a Dreamcast fan.

[@Medachod]

That definitely didn't stop PlayStation 2 from having way too many third-party exclusives, though. Always wished Xbox toppled it.

[@wizzgamer]

Well if people buy a console that has no games eventually will get support the Dreamcast had the better games in the first couple of years but died.

[@shaggymcdaniel3216]

By the time GTA 3 came out PS2’s were still hard to come by. So I guess it didn’t take too long. If you consider that game to be a must have. It was a must have personally when my friend showed me.

[@Medachod]

@@wizzgamer Sad thing is the Dreamcast would've lasted if they priced it correctly. People were so impressed by it that it probably wouldn't have mattered if it was the planned price point, rather than being cheap just to reflect release date numbers.

[@thiagoleitenovaes8014]

Mais uma vitória do Dreamcast, sua gpu era realmente superior, a maioria dos jogos eram renderizados 480p.

[@gamerxt333]

Not really, the main good thing about the DC is it was easier to create games for, and the textures where usually better. And many PS2 games also had a 480 mode, although not for the PAL reigon.

[@pires7spc]

​@@gamerxt333Dreamcast wins, over.

[@policiamilitar162]

Dreamcast perdia em todos aspectos pro PS2, a única coisa que o Dreamcast vencia era na questão de criar jogos

[@policiamilitar162]

​@@pires7spc fanboy

[@baironfernandesgoncalves9631]

A maior diferença no mano a mano é que o PS2 é muito melhor que o dreamend

[@madson-web]

PS2 output is so bad that it feels like it is 240p jesus

[@vcdecide]

Technically speaking, although 480i is not 240p, in terms of processing, they are the same thing... In fact, I think 240p is even better than 480i. Some PS2 games, such as Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare or ICO, chose to display the games in 240p instead of the 480i that was common on the PS2. It's a pity that not many games adopted this approach.

[@madson-web]

@@vcdecide I said it looks like. Not that it is. The PS2 output is bad because it was tailored to it's dvd capabilities. Yeah I got the other implications

[@SomeOrangeCat]

So you're telling me the game made *for* the Dreamcast looks better *on* the Dreamcast? Learn some new tricks already. At this point you're just repeating your same old shit. At some point you'll get it through your head that Sega didn't come out on top in the end, and that no amount of "Look this shitty-ass game is better on the Dreamcast!" will change that.

[@extradipboneless]

I had the PS2 version as a kid. Many hours spent playing this game with my dad. Nowadays it's fun to compare these older games between different platforms. I never knew I had the technically inferior version. Dreamcast version looks juicy, while the game is still great fun on both consoles.

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

As a Sega fanboy, I fully agree. Also if Sega tried, they could've made a 480p version that looked far better than the Dreamcast/Naomi version.

[@thalesonic]

Why are you so mad that a Dreamcast game looks better than it's PS2 counterpart like, 22 years late? It's time to let it go man.

[@extradipboneless]

@@thalesonic I was a PS2 kid ever since I can remember. I have a deep and profound respect for the Dreamcast. 480p support via VGA for like 98% (?) of games? Wow, very forward thinking. PS2 could pull off some amazing looking games, I just wished for Sony to be more forward thinking about the image quality. Xbox blew my mind as a PAL gamer kid.

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

@@thalesonic Who's mad?

[@retroblitz3533]

Dreamcast serves another ace 😉, sorry, I couldn't resist. Amazing how many of us got suckered in by Sony's PS2 BS hype train, PS2 turned out good in the end but started shocking. Back compat saved it for me in the early days, I genuinely felt I took a step back from the Dreamcast, though 🤔 , I remember being a bit angry about it at the time lol. Hype hype hype and turned out no better than what I'd been playing for the past 2 years gggrrrr😡.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

A combination DVD player and a game console that could play the previous generation of games in addition to the newest generation wasn't BS.

[@retroblitz3533]

@SomeOrangeCat I dunno if you were there at the time, but the things that were coming from Sony at the time were crazy. I know it's all marketing etc but I was expecting more. Going from PS1 to DC to PS2, stupidly, I was expecting the same jump going to PS2, I bought the hype, which was MASSIVE at the time with it's 'emotion engine'. For me, it was overhyped, but still a great system, if I skipped the DC, I'd probably think differently.

[@vcdecide]

Another factor that contributed to the success of the PS2, in addition to marketing, backward compatibility with PS1 games, and the ability to watch movies on DVDs, was the fact that the PS2 had support from several developers who were not aligned with SEGA, such as EA (Electronic Arts), Square, Enix, and many other companies. Even NAMCO can be mentioned, despite Namco having developed the excellent SoulCalibur for the Dreamcast. However, soon after, Namco abandoned the system and became part of Sony's marketing strategy, which aimed to show that the PS2 was far superior to the Dreamcast. To this end, Namco games like Tekken Tag Tournament and Ridge Racer were used in this process. The PS2's marketing succeeded in convincing people that they didn’t need to buy the Dreamcast, just wait for the PS2's release, as the PS2 would be much more powerful than the Dreamcast. And that’s what most people did.

[@mimiq77]

ps2 win

[@BarbarionArtist]

You wait PS2? buy'it? you Dreamcast killer!

[@karlamz83]

Both are Amazing. Dreamcast 🎉 PLAYSTATION 2 ❤

[@boloobeaglebiruta.678]

Dreamcast

[@johndavis8406]

Dreamcast ❤

[@marciocosta1542]

Dreamcast wins.

[@Leo-xh8pp]

Dreamcast

[@DanielNunes-p3j]

Dreamcast