Visual Effects Comparison - Wink of an Eye [redux]

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5 жыл бұрын

The following video compares the visual effects scenes from 2 versions of the classic Star Trek episode called "Wink of an Eye". On the left side you can see the original effects from the 1968 version of the episode, on the right side you can see the new CGI effects from the "digitally enhanced" version of the episode.

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@roberts3741
@roberts3741 3 жыл бұрын
I'm generally a fan of the updates, but these changes to the away mission scenes didn't really add anything. The original backdrop was fine, and I liked that cool statue.
@morbidmanmusic
@morbidmanmusic 3 жыл бұрын
100% agree. The outer ship scenes are better.. that is really about it.
@CTC1965
@CTC1965 3 жыл бұрын
Someone really hates that statue. The thing was on the set!
@michaeljordan9879
@michaeljordan9879 3 жыл бұрын
This video isn’t using the best example. Look at the original of Doomsday Machine and the enhanced version. The scenes where the machine first attacks the Enterprise and the shots of asteroid debris hitting the hull of the damaged USS Constellation all look more realistic.
@subraxas
@subraxas 3 жыл бұрын
The problem was that the city background in the original was blatantly re-used from a different episode, A Taste of Armageddon, where it was showcased somewhat more prominently, and therefore the guys who worked on the redux decided to replace it with something brand-new on this episode.
@Arbiter099
@Arbiter099 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljordan9879 more realistic, yeah, but I'm nostalgic for the original "concrete tube sock" effect of the doomsday machine, and unless you have box sets of the original versions, they are being erased effectively as when these are streamed now they will be the remasters
@dr.winstonsmith
@dr.winstonsmith 3 жыл бұрын
We all miss the statue.
@Laceykat66
@Laceykat66 3 жыл бұрын
Odd that they thought the need to "enhance" those scenes.
@LetsMars
@LetsMars 2 ай бұрын
I imagine that the statue depicts a member of the actual alien species that controls earth civilization from beyond our perception and thus had to be scrubbed from popular media under the guise of enhancement.
@offgridhomesteaders863
@offgridhomesteaders863 3 жыл бұрын
I dunno, I kinda like the original to be honest. The statue gave the scene depth and all. Nice effort but not necessary
@user-zn7tj3xc7k
@user-zn7tj3xc7k 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a robot, but now that you say it, its too static
@wtk6069
@wtk6069 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder why they didn't do the statue in the new version? It would have been easy to digitally re-create.
@fabio40
@fabio40 3 жыл бұрын
I just didn't see the point. They both look cheap and fake.
@Alienmojo
@Alienmojo 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! The statue really helped with adding depth to the background.
@FilCanJay
@FilCanJay 3 жыл бұрын
The original was good but plain. The Redux is definitely a welcomed enhancement it’s modern enough for today’s audience and at the same time still maintained the charm and age of the original.
@Frog626
@Frog626 3 жыл бұрын
In case no one mentioned it, the reason this backdrop changed was because the original backdrop was just a blue version of the backdrop from "A Taste of Armogeddon," Season 1, Episode 23. I really like this new look with all the domes and the grays. None of the other backdrops look even remotely like it. Not sure why the statue disappeared.
@janreznak881
@janreznak881 3 жыл бұрын
I think they removed the statue because it was out of place. In both versions. As "art", it's downright ugly and just doesn't fit the overall aesthetic of the cityscape.
@lovinlife7983
@lovinlife7983 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone just LOVES that statue! 😅
@quantumac
@quantumac 3 жыл бұрын
I like the deep blue colors of the original cityscape the best. The CGI might be more realistic in terms of what one might see in an outdoor scene, but not nearly as pretty to look at.
@mosespray4510
@mosespray4510 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. There was some great art design to begin with.
@subraxas
@subraxas 3 жыл бұрын
The problem was that the city background in the original was blatantly re-used from a different episode, A Taste of Armageddon, where it was showcased somewhat more prominently, and therefore the guys who worked on the redux decided to replace it with something brand-new on this episode.
@mosespray4510
@mosespray4510 3 жыл бұрын
@@subraxas I commend them for trying, but I don't like what they came up with.
@mitchg7809
@mitchg7809 3 жыл бұрын
As a kid I remember watching this episode & thinking the city behind them was beautiful with its futuristic buildings, landscape grounds & abstract art. Now it looks like a smoggy, polluted mess littered with depressing apartment blocks.
@oliversmith9200
@oliversmith9200 3 жыл бұрын
I think the remakes were just an excuse to "add value" and add cost to remarketing. They rob the original artists of their accomplishments, and present a false image of the original product to future viewers, but, It's done.
@wiltner
@wiltner 3 жыл бұрын
I think the CGI City looks more real. It has more depth to it.The original is very obviously a backdrop matte painting.Very one dimensional. In fairness the original was designed for a Television audience with tiny screens some without even color and without a playback facility or freeze frame so it worked fine. This is why Robert Wise went way over budget on The Motion Picture in 1978/79. Paramount was up against Star Wars and and Close Encounters. So they brought in the special visual effects guy on those two movies Douglas Trumbull. Today everything is under the microscope. You get away with nothing today. Star Wars and Alien changed everything forever.
@DL-kc8fc
@DL-kc8fc 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. I accept "cleaning" as long as it doesn't damage the atmosphere of the film. But no longer the implementation of "modern" images that absolutely kill the original idea. The film should be preserved without modifying the scene because of its value and also because of its valuable telling value, as people at the time imagined the future in general. I'm afraid that someone wants to parasitize on it under the pretext of cleaning and adjusting the scene, which is supposed to be "supposedly" better ".
@JoelEverettComposer
@JoelEverettComposer 3 жыл бұрын
Why I love my original DVDs before the Remaster
@amelist8123
@amelist8123 2 жыл бұрын
@@wiltner I really see no difference. They both look like backdrops. One looks 60's futuristic and is bright and colorful the other looks like a dull picture of a modern city.
@NitpickingNerd
@NitpickingNerd 5 жыл бұрын
I don't mind that they improved the city scape but why did they remove that funny statue . why not keep it somewhere in the background , maybe a smaller version of it / more in the distant but still keep it therein some fashion
@AndrewChapman
@AndrewChapman 5 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought. Obviously they changed the city scape because the one in the original was the same matte painting from "A Taste of Armageddon" (which itself was digitally replaced in the remastered). But the statue wasn't in that episode, so I don't know why they removed it in the remastered here.
@frankschalk7790
@frankschalk7790 3 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewChapman Agreed with the statue. Those kinds of sculptures were very popular with the mid-century decor for the period (perhaps someone can enlighten us with the name of the exact style) and I for one think they look really cool. The statue should have stayed.
@josefschiltz2192
@josefschiltz2192 3 жыл бұрын
@@frankschalk7790 It looks like an Alberto Giacometti figurine to me, whose signature style - post WW2 - were these elongated tall and slender figures. His work harking from a Cubist-Surrealist influences. Philosophical questions about the human condition, as well as existential and phenomenological debates played a significant role in his work. The apparition-like appearance of the figurines seems apt for the Scalosians. A shame it wasn't kept in the CGI version. It would have been a stylistic improvement!
@allyourmoney
@allyourmoney 3 жыл бұрын
I always prefer the original effects & soundtrack. One of the pleasures of watching old things is that you're watching a time capsule of another era. You see the state of cinema & culture at that point in history. To edit that is like "upgrading" a museum piece.
@papalaz4444244
@papalaz4444244 3 жыл бұрын
The statue is almost certainly a deliberate hint at the time acceleration/freezing effects we see later. It is immobile and the colonists are not. I can't actually think of any other reason the director used that two shot with the statue so visible and in reasonable focus, can you? This is why sweeping alterations need to be well thought out first. The original effects are pretty good, but they wouldn't look good when they scanned in HD. I think that's the main reason for HD effects.
@Starchface
@Starchface 3 жыл бұрын
Very insightful. You are probably right on both counts.
@loughkb
@loughkb 3 жыл бұрын
I like that they updated the space scenes. But I kind of miss the hand painted backgrounds like those cities. Those added another layer of art to the show, you know? Kind of the sprinkles on the 'classic' nature of the show.
@kurtbarlow9402
@kurtbarlow9402 3 жыл бұрын
Hand painted backdrops rock. I love the old school way of filming. I stopped watching the Godzilla series when they fired the guy in the rubber suit.
@oliversmith9200
@oliversmith9200 3 жыл бұрын
I like the funky planets and scenes. Upgrading them's like if they took that old silent film "A Trip to the Moon, 1902, Georges Méliès and CGI'd the Moon with a face that gets the rocket in the eye.
@ShenandoahKemmerer
@ShenandoahKemmerer 3 жыл бұрын
agreed love the space scenes
@Ettrick8
@Ettrick8 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I prefer the original effects they are more in keeping with the rest of the show. The new effects just make everything else look dated
@sevadaj
@sevadaj 3 жыл бұрын
Me too!!
@oliversmith9200
@oliversmith9200 3 жыл бұрын
I think they really "upgrade" (added value) they would call it, as an excuse for a marketing pitch and charging more for the product than the original could demand.
@Ettrick8
@Ettrick8 3 жыл бұрын
@@oliversmith9200 You have a very good point. George Lucas did the same thing on the original star wars.
@jimperry4108
@jimperry4108 3 жыл бұрын
Statue: They cut me? wtf!
@Solamnic31
@Solamnic31 3 жыл бұрын
2021: KZbin decides to make this a recommended video and instead founded a movement to save the abstract statue from the Visual Effects upgrade!
@oliversmith9200
@oliversmith9200 3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Well I'm also wondering why is youtube suddenly suggeting this old video to people and none of my new videos :-)
@corn1971
@corn1971 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought the CGI Enterprise looked dated from the get go. Planets look "better" from orbit but prefer the original. Just wish they'd of cleaned up the episodes and left most of the effects alone. A product of their era and enjoyable as such.
@philfitnesspt6139
@philfitnesspt6139 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! I hate cgi effects they look even more dated now than the models! I also hate.that you can't buy originals now on DVD!!!
@JH-pt6ih
@JH-pt6ih 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. With CGI you can make the background look more like every other generic CGI background! And why does the original creative intent have to change - a planet with a thick blue atmosphere and accompanying lighting has to be changed into another Earth-like planet with same atmosphere.
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
As opposed to Norway Corp - Paramount using the same matte painting for several episodes. That was the same one used in Taste of Armageddon if I remember. Same with the WNMHGB and The Cage matte paintings. They probably had about 6. You never got to see anything of Vulcan but a red sky behind "the rocky planet" set. How about the constant reuse of Sulu looking over his shoulder with the big screen having a different picture upon it. Exact same live action Naked Time shot reused about 12 times for Sulu and several times for Chekov to avoid paying them for a day's shooting, and make the motif work easier, boilerplate for the VFX company. TV uses Scooby Doo tactics to save money.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say it was a combination of 2 things - saving every penny whenever possible (yet they still went regularly over budget) and thinking that most people will see each episode just once, maybe twice
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
@@TrekkieChannel agreed. 190k an episode was a generous budget in the days of I Dream of Jeannie. However audiences only needed so much to be satisfied by comparison with LIS, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and Outer Limits. The statue was to distract you from the reuse of the matte painting.
@Starchface
@Starchface 3 жыл бұрын
@@STho205 Hmm, good memory. I am rather partial to the statue. Is it used in any other episode?
@STho205
@STho205 3 жыл бұрын
@@Starchface not center screen if at all. I don't recall it. I'll bet they just borrowed it from the property closet of MI or Mannix. It is 20th century decor.
@GraemeGunn
@GraemeGunn 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with stuff like this is that the people "making it better" aren't actually doing that usually, they're just making it newer. It's actually quite difficult to take something and make it better by slightly changing the small details.
@MasterJediDude
@MasterJediDude 3 жыл бұрын
The original backdrop looked better with the blue atmosphere and the statue. As many people have stated, the new city looks boring and lazy.
@aaronwalden6376
@aaronwalden6376 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@janreznak881
@janreznak881 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronwalden6376 Nope.
@subraxas
@subraxas 3 жыл бұрын
The problem was that the city background in the original was blatantly re-used from a different earlier episode (now talk about "lazy"), A Taste of Armageddon, where it was showcased somewhat more prominently, and therefore the guys who worked on the redux decided to replace it with something brand-new on this episode.
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret 3 жыл бұрын
Why are the colors in the original so much more vibrant and realistic? I hope that's just a bad copy of the "digitally enhanced" version and that they didn't let the artists get too out of touch and make it look so less realistic. I know lighting is challenging, but dang, the lighting on the right looks so much worse, it can't have been that bad. Was it?
@pjincho
@pjincho 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously? Can u give a frame as an example. I’m trying like hell to see “more vibrant and realistic.”
@onequickthing8950
@onequickthing8950 3 жыл бұрын
So now the Scalosians live in Seattle?
@LanceHall
@LanceHall 3 жыл бұрын
What they should have done was recreate the city as it was but render it in 3D to give it depth and perspective as the camera moved.
@rmapcynan1039
@rmapcynan1039 4 жыл бұрын
It's a difficult question. While undoubtedly the new effects look crisp and clear, when I see some of the effects I'm jolted out of the show because they look much better than the rest of the scenes and they look out of place on a 1960s TV show. I tend to prefer (perhaps because of nostalgia) the original scenes of the Enterprise orbiting fuzzy cloudy planets rather than the crisp HD versions.
@philfitnesspt6139
@philfitnesspt6139 3 жыл бұрын
Me.to totally plus cgi never looks totally real compared to practical
@domainofthesun4400
@domainofthesun4400 3 жыл бұрын
the main problem IMO is that the old Enterprise looks like a real object (which it was).... the CGI Enterprise does not, not at all.
@mosespray4510
@mosespray4510 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I own the DVD set that came in the red, yellow, and blue plastic boxes, and to me that is how TOS should look. The HD version reveals details that break immersion.
@deathstrike
@deathstrike 3 жыл бұрын
I actually like some of the new overlays. They give complexity and context to a society and civilization and gives a glimpse of their art, history, and culture. I know many like the original, as I do, but I think we got to keep in mind this is just to demonstrate what is possible with classic shows and movies. This isn't a replacement for what will always be one of, if not the most influential sci-fi in history. But I do admit, I would like to see a true Imperial Enterprise with matching displays, controls, and design elements. It would be a far different ship. Colder, more militaristic and savage with harsher graphics and text, more emphasis on utilitarian or even luxurious design. And finally an emphasis on agony booths, targeting sensors, and weapons emplacements. A true Imperial Design.
@Starchface
@Starchface 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. I would like to see such an Enterprise as well. Utilitarian design for the crew, decadent luxury behind closed doors for the officers. An Agony Booth on every deck, a constant reminder of what is in store for those who step out of line. And if that isn't enough, McCoy's Agonizer waits in the wings. It would be a lot of work to update an existing episode in such a way though.
@andytay5507
@andytay5507 3 жыл бұрын
I loved that episode. it was so cool how they sped up people to the extent that they moved so fast they were invisible to the human and Vulcan eye. it may have beem the introduction of scientific concepts that caused me to pursue a engineering degree. (Note, many concepts came from UCLA and prototypes communicators were Motorola flip phones, Spock holds up floppy disk 15 years prior to release, doors open based on auto grocery door concept.
@ohmydinosare
@ohmydinosare 3 жыл бұрын
I think I'd have prefered this if they had kept closer to the design and archetectural style of the original. The perspective and lighting of the new background are better, but they lose the defining landmarks, the building that gets wider as it goes up and the statue are both so destinctive that it seems a shame to not represent them in the new version.
@kdrapertrucker
@kdrapertrucker 8 ай бұрын
They changed it because the original production used the same backdrop for any alien city.
@wachinimagaming4898
@wachinimagaming4898 15 сағат бұрын
I actually like the new background, makes the lighting look more natural. A lot of the changes made throughout the show stick out like a sore thumb, but I never even knew they redid this background because it looks like something made from that time, and I mean that as a compliment.
@user-rv6qk2cn4z
@user-rv6qk2cn4z 3 жыл бұрын
If they keep the statue it would be better. But overall the CGI did a great job, they improved the lighting and made the scene more realistic while you can tell the original scene was shot in confined space.
@JerseyJoe50
@JerseyJoe50 3 жыл бұрын
They did a great redesigning the city backdrop. They definitely warmed it up from the original version. Getting rid of that unnecessary statue was a nice touch as well.
@EngPheniks
@EngPheniks 2 жыл бұрын
in my opinion, the blue hue of the original looks nice
@AboveAvgMan
@AboveAvgMan 9 ай бұрын
I making the rucus if they hadn't gotten rid of an unnecessary confederate statue.
@schwarry1
@schwarry1 3 жыл бұрын
I like the end where the ship leaves orbit.
@shanemcdaniel1509
@shanemcdaniel1509 3 жыл бұрын
They did a great job on all of the cbi effects on the original star trek series, on this one " wink of an eye "im curious why they took out the statue.
@greengreeneya2102
@greengreeneya2102 3 жыл бұрын
Looks awesome!
@Wizardof
@Wizardof 4 ай бұрын
Hey you guys, look @1:00 mark on the left side of the CGI box, behind the redshirt. What do you see? They are back.
@loudmouthpastor
@loudmouthpastor 3 жыл бұрын
WOW! Well done!!!
@mosespray4510
@mosespray4510 3 жыл бұрын
This was and still is my favorite Star Trek episode. I loved the improved Enterprise in orbit, and especially the shot at the end with the ship leaving orbit, but I like the original cityscape with its weird little statue much better than the CGI revision. The episode that really needs help is "Journey to Babel," which has the worst rubber masks to have ever hung loosely on an actor's face. I still give you guys a thumbs up and a subscribe, because any labor of love like this deserves admiration.
@subraxas
@subraxas 3 жыл бұрын
The problem was that the city background in the original was blatantly re-used from a different episode, A Taste of Armageddon, where it was showcased somewhat more prominently, and therefore the guys who worked on the redux decided to replace it with something brand-new on this episode.
@christrek1027
@christrek1027 3 жыл бұрын
They couldn't keep the statue???
@greggv8
@greggv8 Ай бұрын
One bit about the remastered TOS is they'd only done season one when Toshiba gave up on HD-DVD. So everyone who had bought an HD-DVD player and remastered TOS season one had to re-buy it and seasons two and three on Blu-Ray. It would have been nice if they had committed to manufacturing exactly as many sets of seasons one and two on HD-DVD as they'd made season one sets. "Let that be Your Last HD-DVD".
@SamSchiffer
@SamSchiffer 3 күн бұрын
I don’t get why they felt the need to remaster this show. The original effects were so charming.
@kolakommando
@kolakommando 3 жыл бұрын
I can't really see what's wrong with the original background
@greggv8
@greggv8 Ай бұрын
The CGI version fixed the use of the rear shot of Enterprise from the pilot episode at the end. Notice the nacelles have the "rocket tubes" instead of the spheres at the rear in the original.
@Vistamister
@Vistamister 3 жыл бұрын
I like the changes of the ship in orbit around the planet and of the titles. At first I didn’t like the background scene with Kirk and the crewman but then I read a comment here that the original scene was a prominently reused background from another episode. So now it makes sense that they changed that background but it could’ve been nicer with more color and depth. Overall, I truly enjoy the CGI updates to most of the episodes with very few exceptions.
@jwatches5589
@jwatches5589 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, I like the new effects much better.
@dbohnenberger
@dbohnenberger 3 жыл бұрын
Always loved this episode
@santitabnavascues8673
@santitabnavascues8673 3 жыл бұрын
While the ship takes look okay, they should just have left the rest alone...
@olindetroit7636
@olindetroit7636 Ай бұрын
Scrolling through the comment section, i can now say that nostalgia is truly a disease for some people. I still enjoy watching many of these old episodes from the original series, but many of them looked very dated. There's nothing wrong with adding a little touch-up here and there. It's not ruining anything.
@tonyyoung3985
@tonyyoung3985 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone remember an old low budget sci fi in which the astronauts return to their ship, just like Wink of an Eye, but time is basically slowed down so they're invisible to the crew. And this being the end of the movie, the lead man says to the lead woman, we may be the Adam and Eve of a new world.
@phillipblades6784
@phillipblades6784 10 ай бұрын
Watching these comparison videos make me wish that “Star Trek: Continues” would get the same treatment. I know it’s just a fan-made KZbin series, but I consider it canon now. I like to think of the animated series as the 4th season and now “Continues” is the 5th. These differences, between DVD and Blu Ray are making me want to watch every episode again. I love TOS and TNG. Already have both on DVD, but the differences are awesome and made me spend about $200 on eBay for the two shows. I’ll probably binge watch them both like I never have before.
@Midwinter2
@Midwinter2 3 жыл бұрын
Most of those shots look significantly better in the original version. They haven't been improved by CGI; they've been made boring.
@MrManz36
@MrManz36 3 жыл бұрын
For the most part I prefer the original. The colours are more vibrant and alive.
@taco2k3
@taco2k3 10 ай бұрын
Funny, one of my favorite episodes from season 3 and I never really took notice of the statue 😊
@fredgarv79
@fredgarv79 3 жыл бұрын
the new effects are best for the ship orbiting the planets. much more detail but in this video, I like the original better. more color in that background of the city. I have watched this from when I was a kid back in 1968 and I still enjoy watching certain episodes for the 80th time. For instance I watched a docu on the vazquez rocks where they filmed the Gorn episode, shore leave and many others, including the next generation shows. so I was really enjoying Fridays child where they filmed a lot of this at that area. this area they filmed a ton of westerns over the years. I loved Fridays child, it was a classic star trek episode featuring an evil Klingon, an interesting alien race, julie newmar was great in it, and it had a lot of comedy. at the end where spock is wondering what "oohchie gootchie gootchie goo" is is priceless.
@Durwood71
@Durwood71 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: That's not supposed to be a city in the background, it was always intended to be a mural.
@kalyndahaaf7395
@kalyndahaaf7395 3 жыл бұрын
what was the reason behind changing the background so drastically ??
@subraxas
@subraxas 3 жыл бұрын
The problem was that the city background in the original was blatantly re-used from a different earlier episode, A Taste of Armageddon, where it was showcased somewhat more prominently, and therefore the guys who worked on the redux decided to replace it with something brand-new on this episode.
@kalyndahaaf7395
@kalyndahaaf7395 3 жыл бұрын
@@subraxas thanks! yeah that makes sense
@kristindunstan172
@kristindunstan172 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand the reason for changing the entire cityscape. I thought the purpose of digital enhancement was to make the original scenes more clear not to change them altogether.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 2 жыл бұрын
I assume they didn't want to reuse the matte painting. They have done this all of the times, for example they also changed Flynt's castle from the Cage castle to something completely different
@happeedaze1
@happeedaze1 3 жыл бұрын
Original for me....I love the cool colors
@charliebirkner8729
@charliebirkner8729 2 жыл бұрын
no no, that statue/sculpture is CRITICAL! This is a mess now xD Wouldn't the planet look foggy from so far out if it has an atmosphere? The CGI version makes me think the reason they are almost dead is no air...
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 3 жыл бұрын
The original versions are more than sufficient. The newer CGI effects look good but are really simply not necessary. The digitization and recoloring of the mid 90's had already removed all the flaws that accumulated over time giving us a clearer image but there was no need to actually change the presentation other than to have fans purchase more copies.
@andromedaone3640
@andromedaone3640 3 жыл бұрын
The original effect was better because it's the real McCoy lol and the gold robot thing in the background is missing. I can't believe they left that out unless an art sculpture wanted more money, daft.
@KujoTV
@KujoTV 3 жыл бұрын
Like most of the updates. The background city though, is way better in the original.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone's talking about the statue, I miss the inverted Transamerica Building.
@castieldiallo2945
@castieldiallo2945 2 жыл бұрын
Ignore nostalgia. I would say you need to appreciate the updated effects on a large hi def screen. KZbin doesn't do the either version justice.
@marmaly
@marmaly 5 жыл бұрын
I like the work on the city background. Would have been nice to also remove Kirk's shadows on the red shirt. And yes, keep the statue.
@thefwaynes
@thefwaynes 4 жыл бұрын
why do some of these episodes have black and white, and half color and black and white shots?
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 4 жыл бұрын
The black and white parts have no changes, they are only included for continuity
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret 3 жыл бұрын
@@TrekkieChannel is that new? Because plenty of your uploads clearly do not follow that rule.
@eighthourvideos678
@eighthourvideos678 3 жыл бұрын
Kirk's hair shimmers in that scene. Bad roto
@barrywonderdog
@barrywonderdog 3 жыл бұрын
If they were going to use a CGI background, why make it look like the red shirt has three apple pies growing out of his head?
@QuasiRandomViewer
@QuasiRandomViewer 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha!
@JohnInTheShelter
@JohnInTheShelter 2 ай бұрын
The original had that sense of wonder thing going on. At some point Star Trek went for 'realism,' when the original used its limited budget to create a simpler, more 'science fiction-y' look.
@cmyk8964
@cmyk8964 2 жыл бұрын
I can understand why they changed the city backdrop’s building design. They looked pretty dated and “retrofuturistic”. I don’t know why they toned down the saturation though...
@idesofmarch2368
@idesofmarch2368 3 жыл бұрын
Kathy Browne is the best visual effect in this episode.
@terrylaven
@terrylaven 3 жыл бұрын
"Quite correct!"
@greglavers
@greglavers 3 жыл бұрын
Mrs. Darren McGavin (RIP) aka Carl Kolchak the night stalker
@idesofmarch2368
@idesofmarch2368 3 жыл бұрын
@@greglavers A very lucky man!
@RivkaMacales
@RivkaMacales 2 ай бұрын
Its amazing how most alians not only speal English, but do so with an American accent!
@betaneptune
@betaneptune Жыл бұрын
Why do some of the scenes have thin color and some are even in black and white?! (Thin color as if the color intensity or color saturation was set too low.)
@gingerdingdong7311
@gingerdingdong7311 3 жыл бұрын
i like it as it was when we were kids.. if its not broke dont fix it
@brendancaulfield970
@brendancaulfield970 9 ай бұрын
I am impressed at how well rotoscoped and tracked the new backdrop is. Perhaps the blue-ness of the original allowed them to chroma key out the background and the details of the reused matte painting gave them motion tracking markers? In any case, it was masterfully done. I don't for a second begrudge them super fast vertically unsynchronized footage reverting to the original backdrop, but you can see in the comparison that they futzed with the colour balance for consistency. The new backdrop integrates far better with the lighting on the actors in the foreground. After all that praise, I do think the planet from orbit looks rather flat and boring.
@williewasahippie
@williewasahippie 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer many of the old effects. I also like the use of a "real" ship model vs CGI that looks fake because, well, it is, while the model is "real". :)
@bronson1392
@bronson1392 3 жыл бұрын
The original is a more comfortable homey feeling, if that makes sense. Love the robot in the back.
@smallstudiodesign
@smallstudiodesign 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the stylized art statue. Removing such is equivocal to cultural genocide which goes against Federation directives.
@Rocker-kr9nu
@Rocker-kr9nu 3 жыл бұрын
I like the old painting backgrounds more.
@mannywilliams4759
@mannywilliams4759 3 жыл бұрын
Good episode
@lostvocals8
@lostvocals8 3 жыл бұрын
I miss the Giacometti statue!!
@originaluddite
@originaluddite 3 жыл бұрын
I can understand them wanting to make the world look less like a marble and more like a planet, but the original city-scape perfectly fits the look and vibe of TOS. Maybe they could have made it crisper, but to replace it entirely is missing the point.
@subraxas
@subraxas 3 жыл бұрын
The problem was that the city background in the original was blatantly re-used from a different episode, A Taste of Armageddon, where it was showcased somewhat more prominently, and therefore the guys who worked on the redux decided to replace it with something brand-new on this episode.
@originaluddite
@originaluddite 3 жыл бұрын
@@subraxas that does put a different spin on it, but I wonder if the new image could have been more '60s' in style. Do you know if the statue much commented on here was also from A Taste Of Armageddon?
@Q80Warlock
@Q80Warlock 3 жыл бұрын
I don't like the changes in color grading and removal of original backdrop which was OK considering it really was something only a 60's/70's artist would imagine for a futuristic alien city. UPDATE: Just to be clear after reading another post here by "Richard Hoffman" it seems that "A Taste of Armageddon" uses the same backdrop. From looking at the restored episode it seems the restoration people not only recreated the backdrop matte but also enhanced it and extended it. The episode uses the left side of the 3D backdrop while this episode uses the right side omitting the futuristic building in the background of course the statue had to be sacrificed LOL.
@randomcurrypuff6237
@randomcurrypuff6237 2 жыл бұрын
1:18 not really a necessary change, just change the color of the sky and it will look perfectly fine.
@therexbellator
@therexbellator Жыл бұрын
Everyone here's complaining about the statue and the city backdrop but the scene @ 2:26 really grinds my gears. They stitched together two separate shots into one continuous one in order to add phaser effects but they had to animate it and it just looks really weird and jarring. Notice, because Leonard Nimoy moves his hand between shots, they had to animate his hand going from his phaser to his tricorder, and the weird arm movements of the red shirts. It is a bizarre artistic choice on the part of the CG artists who made that decision.
@kevinderrick2787
@kevinderrick2787 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine what they could do with METROPOLIS, FORBIDDEN PLANET, CASA BLANCA, and others. Wouldn't it be great if they would colorize Ansel Adams' work !?
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Well there are multiple restorations/cuts of Metropolis, one of them is even colorized, so that's not a good example. There are also at least 3 versions of Forbidden Planet if I remember correctly - one edits out a kissing scene, and one which edits out the "monster" completely
@milou66
@milou66 3 жыл бұрын
@@TrekkieChannel Moroder's _Metropolis_ is a guilty favourite of mine.
@RP752000
@RP752000 3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who wished the producers would have added some BLUE NACELLE LIGHT to the CGI Models.
@NYJetsforlife
@NYJetsforlife 3 жыл бұрын
The new city background is a massive improvement. The original bluish background did not match the warm lighting on the actors.
@magnifreeqrecords
@magnifreeqrecords Жыл бұрын
All that CGI and they couldn’t fix Kirk’s rug?!
@taco2k3
@taco2k3 10 ай бұрын
I think they reduced his “hair” stying budget for season 3. Budget cuts, and no more hair cuts 😂
@Fektthis
@Fektthis 3 жыл бұрын
it went from alien futuristic city to downtown Seattle....
@krane15
@krane15 3 жыл бұрын
It looks more like a real abandoned city. The original just looks fake.
@Beery1962
@Beery1962 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with others here - the new CGI is not an improvement so much as a change for change's sake.
@subraxas
@subraxas 3 жыл бұрын
You're wrong. In this particular instance, the problem was that the city background in the original was blatantly re-used from a different earlier episode, A Taste of Armageddon, where it was showcased somewhat more prominently, and therefore the guys who worked on the redux decided to replace it with something brand-new on this episode. The shots from outer space I will not even debate about.
@SuperRetronerd
@SuperRetronerd 3 жыл бұрын
Wow the new phaser effect looks really bad and jarring.
@jkbenedict
@jkbenedict 2 жыл бұрын
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.....
@paulpolpiboon9535
@paulpolpiboon9535 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously the phasers+planet hovering scenes are a great improvement, but for everything else the original seems better, more aesthetic
@rev.dr.dayspring7805
@rev.dr.dayspring7805 3 жыл бұрын
I think shows and movies need to use oil painting back drops. The old ways have a beautiful flavor. I would join a film troupe immediately if they were to shoot a series in the same way they did the original series!
@AngelOfDeath420
@AngelOfDeath420 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job Way better now and makes it feel new again so I was able to go back again and again to watch it all. Nothing was better then the writing so that made up for any lack of Special Effects but having my cake and eating it too is a Dream come true. I would love a reaction video bring this back to the time it first aired and used updated stuff.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 3 жыл бұрын
In some parts of this episode, the CGI enhancement actually improves the look of the scenes from this episode
@krane15
@krane15 3 жыл бұрын
The CGI is an improvement in every scenes. Anybody that disagrees doesn't know any better.
@mrteacup8781
@mrteacup8781 3 жыл бұрын
Krane lol. Are you 11 years old, it's subjective...people can disagree and not be wrong.🤣
@krane15
@krane15 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrteacup8781 Art Appreciation: Before you can critique art, you need to know something about the rules and how its made. That said, sure, it will always come down to a subjective opinion (which no one can deny), but one is educated. The other is not.
@mrteacup8781
@mrteacup8781 3 жыл бұрын
@@krane15 'art appreciation'?...this is pulp sci-fi..lol. totally disagree, even 'untrained' eyes 'appreciate' what is aesthetically pleasing, or what looks unpleasant. Understanding the process, doesn't validate 'art', it self validation for the critic. Art is fire in a bottle.....it's either there or its not. subjectively the backgrounds, planets and Enterprise, now look like 'cheap' cgi from the 1980's...they remove the charm of the original, and whitewash the efforts cutting edge effects of the original avant-garde artists.
@krane15
@krane15 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrteacup8781 I referenced art appreciation to indicate its role in education, and not something I just made up. You either didn't take the course, or didn't pay close enough attention to understand its purpose. I admit that more knowledge doesn't always guarantee you'll like the results. But the greater your understanding of how the filmmaking process works, the more it opens up volumes of clarity about the final product, and the effort that went into creating it. In either case, the decision to leave here smarter, it up to you.
@houseoftone8939
@houseoftone8939 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe in these new updated versions they should of replaced the close ups of the puppet hands turning switches on and off with real hands like they did with Thunderbirds lol
@luciandragos8556
@luciandragos8556 3 жыл бұрын
Why did the slow mo make him sound like a B1 Battle droid? xD
@drewevans3054
@drewevans3054 3 жыл бұрын
I find the new effects too distracting. The feathering of the mask especially around Kirk is very noticeable
@martychisnall
@martychisnall 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t get how some people hate the remastered TOS, some of the original affects are unwatchable by today’s standards.
@Starchface
@Starchface 3 жыл бұрын
It's just pointless. We accept the original for what it is, not judge it by today's standards. Rejigging some effects doesn't improve anything in a meaningful way.
@timparry5277
@timparry5277 3 жыл бұрын
6 of one, half-a-dozen of the other.
@darksteelyurius
@darksteelyurius 3 жыл бұрын
I will say this much, at least they did it tastefully. Before the hate train rolls on I want to be clear, I like the original for most of the effects better. But at least they didn't go full on George Lucas in the "remastered" versions of New Hope, Empire, and Return of the Jedi
@kirk1701
@kirk1701 6 ай бұрын
I don't mind the effects, but the ones used for the first landing party (they not called 'away missions' at this time) didn't blend in as much as the original matte painting.
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