Vivek Chibber: Consent, Coercion and Resignation: The Sources of Stability in Capitalism

[@SkriptaTV]

continuation of the discussion here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/noHGp6qKhJxmeas

[@stephenwallace8782]

Have you read his new book "The Class Matrix," yet? It's really great.

[@jarahandala4107]

17:30 Vivek implies that he exhaustively identifies, at the same degree of abstraction-concretion, three "mechanisms", "sources", that help to reproduce "capitalism": coercion, consent, resignation. Breaking with the consent/coercion coupling is to be welcomed if ruling is to be more adequately described & explained. Göran Therborn has also rejected such reliance, as he did with hegemony/domination, true/false consciousness, consensus/legitimacy/force. Additionally Therborn included resignation as one of six ideological ways of ruling. He took ideological practice as sense-making that both subjugates the ruled & qualifies them to suffer & to act - thereby giving the emancipatory & liberatory twist: a motivational capacity can develop encouraging action that modifies, even overcomes, their subordination. Therborn generated a six-cell typology: in terms of what exists, what is good, & what is possible, he asked whether the ruled believe a better regime is possible. If it isn't then ideological ruling is achieved by a sense of inevitability, deference, & resignation; if the contrary, present rule can nevertheless be accepted because of accommodation, a sense of representation, & fear (The Ideology of Power & the Power of Ideology 1980: 18-20, 93-100). Using Harré & Bhaskar's conception of a force as either a power or a susceptibility, I've identified a more exhaustive typology of ways of ruling, at the same degree of concretion-abstraction as the above. These are the effects of the unqualified exercise of 14 political forces: (1) ruling powers: the exercise of exploitative power causes exploitative domination; that of oppressive power causes oppressive domination; (non-violent) coercive power, (non-violent) coercive domination; & violent power (i.e. force), violent domination; & (2) ruling affordances: a sense of inevitability; trained deference; spontaneous meekness; merging self with the ruler or with the fetish; habits realised as routines; political indifference; political resignation; accommodation; sense of representation; frightened, fearful, feeling terrorised.

[@kvaka009]

Thanks

[@nickgeffen8316]

Aw, this is great! Thanks so much for the upload. Very provocative and illuminating.

[@stephenwallace8782]

This lecture is amazing, but the Q & A is where it's Chibber's time to shine

[@SkriptaTV]

more discussion here ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/noHGp6qKhJxmeas

[@MarvinRoman]

Why intellectuals are attracted to ideology being the cause of capitalist stability 28:30 Why workers accept bourgeois ideology and their own exploitation 29:25 Reification explained 31:00

[@Djordj69]

maybe the ideology comes after the resignation.Is this what he is saying.?

[@anaxa4883]

Someone needs to show Zizek some of Vivek's ideas

[@lupo-femme]

Zizek is aware of Vivek's ideas. His praise appears in Vivek's book on Postcolonial Theory,

[@Harry-zc8rg]

Both Zizek and Chomsky praise his critique of Postcolonial Theory

[@nasanka7428]

Of course this is several years on, but its funny seeing this after watching their conversation on the Jacobin Show. It was billed as a debate between Vivek and Zizek but in his response Zizek wastes no time in identifying Vivek as the his Jesus of materialism hahah

[@lamalama9717]

​@@nasanka7428 they make a good pair. Not just in terms of the way their theoretical contributions mesh but the contrasting style of expressing their views.

[@jarahandala4107]

Thanks for this. A basis of part of Vivek's argument appears in his 2007 talk, 'Capitalism & the state': kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGa1XmyOlKenhpY. This earlier talk draws on Przeworski's arguments concerning workers' (putative rational) expectations & judgments re opportunities, benefits, costs, risks, etc.

[@jefftist9625]

The middle class. 54:30 False Consciousness. 1:15:20

[@Djordj69]

neither capatalist nor workers are stupid in pursuit of their interesrs