Vivek Chibber: Postcolonial Theory and 'Really Existing Capitalism'

[@aminekalakhi4793]

THIS IS THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE SOCIAL SCIENCES I'VE LISTENED TO FOR A LONG TIME

[@ManicMovesDrowsyDreams]

Yeah he's really smart. At least a few other Jacobin contributors are too.

[@tapashyarasaily1373]

exactly...such a breath of fresh air to hear him...im reading his book for sure now

[@caseym8385]

38:00 where he unequivocally throws down the gauntlet is :chefs kiss: I wish more academics would be brave enough to be this direct rather than couching their criticisms in dense obtuse language.

[@Kafuinga]

The tea on spivak burned my tongue

[@MrZerausogaitnas]

27:15 "gamut", I haven't learned a new english word in like 12 years. Thank you lord Vivec.

[@AudioPervert1]

In India Marxism did not fail yet the marxists surely did .. take the case of bengali communist movements : at a grass root level during the 50s and 60s a lot of social and political change eventually lead to some economic justice in the 70s and 80s.. Marxism was delivered to the masses .. yet over time, the bengali brahmin caste system played out it's age old apartheid against equality .. today, bengal is deeply caste-ridden and economically busted despite the millions of sickle and hammers around..

[@DpGz]

You guys are doing an incredibly amazing job! Inviting every major left thinker on the planet is nothing short of amazing.

[@NathanWHill]

Definition of capitalism as production for exchange would take in 'simple commodity production'. I would think alienation of the primary producers from the means of production is also important.

[@martintroisclous7350]

That guy is so clear when he talks.

[@tapashyarasaily1373]

thank you for such a radically different perspective from our elite academic circles who do not want pc theories and realism to ever be questioned. bravo! he has mastered Marxist theory and its variants for real, unlike so many who talk about Marxism but havent read it properly even. im inspired to read it again now hearing Marxism articulated so brilliantly and comprehensively.

[@bonjourlafrance2170]

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[@SkriptaTV]

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[@davidmoulton1991]

lol the part on Spivak

[@balint24]

19:00 So then if every local society should have its own government are we going back 1,500 years to Celtic Ireland in the time of St Patrick when there were tribes with their own kings. is that what you suggest?

[@solid1378]

Pal, it's already here. Are you not paying attention??? 🙈😏

[@chagoriver7159]

34:42 talk about running cover for liberalism. smh.

[@solid1378]

Wow, fantastic discussion...Thanks!!!

[@girdharrathi6728]

Production for Exchange--not before 16th century? Yes, provided the International trades in older, pre-Christian eras are dismissed. Isn't it?

[@mdevres]

I've heard that Professor Chibber will be visiting Turkey this year!

[@tongnguyen4859]

did he

[@emilianosintarias7337]

15 minutes in only, but this seems OVERBLOWN. Asia is incredibly westernized, it has liberal bourgeoisie, it has weekends, TVS, roads, nuclear families, tourism, cafes, labour unions, local NGOs, local anti-racism, general strikes, modern armies, and the whole thing

[@exiled2725]

🤡🤦‍♂️

[@nelsongonzalez4533]

East vs West and North vs South... that's how we see it.

[@rasputinslover]

in an attempt to escape one fatuous binary (the bourgeoisie as agents of social change), Chibber has created another: the agency of the proletariat. A more pragmatic constructivist approach may be more helpful where agency of the proletariat is achieved through the philosophy and political discourse engendered by the bourgeoisie and (god forbid) aristocratic regimes embedded within an historical narrative. This would account for diverse capitalist experiences while preserving the logic of Marxist analysis (within an east/west comparison)

[@T-Dogg121]

what

[@sacredsoma]

Why is it necessary to adopt any approach to preserve the logic of a Marxist analysis, why not just abandon the Ptolemaic system, so too all postcolonial drivel which seeks to replace it?

[@wngbjngwwgk]

Good comment

[@joanneortiz3251]

... capital did not originate in Europe. I think these postmodern theorists make the mistake that somehow capitalism began with the enlightenment and colonization. Now, it depends on how you define "capitalism" but if you go by the definition of "private means of production for profit within competitive markets" then no. The economy was utterly revolutionized during the enlightenment, and indeed this was when Europe finally got out of the Malthusian trap. Nevertheless, markets, private capital and the like date back to the classical world and in more primitive forms even back to the bronze age in the fertile crescent (sorry for not including the Far East. But unfortunately my knowledge of its history is lacking). There were certainly historical gaps and they were far from universal in that time. Nevertheless, they existed in some form.

[@herbertschmerbert]

The mode of production was quite different in times of feudalism. The difference is that in capitalism, everything is produced for capital exchange, not for consumption.

[@barneylinux]

He's not a post modern theorist.

[@saikotghosh2399]

@Joanne Oritz, I don't know whether you are familiar with Chibber's work or at least you've listened to this very lecture carefully. If anything, Chibber is the opposite of postmodern. In fact, he is categorically arguing against the logics of postmodernity (in this case, postcolonialism) in this very lecture. Now to the origin of capitalism. As a specific "mode of production", capitalism can't be traced back further than the 16th century. Even though there have always been "markets" as you asserted, those were the places to exchange "products", not "commodities". Although you had a very small-scale commodity production in some societies, that didn't become generalized.

[@kvaka009]

Also, to add what was said, capital seems to be a legal construct. If it is just a private means of production, that seems insufficient.

[@kvaka009]

Why not take Vivek's take that capitalism is primarily characterized by market dependence. That is, people have no choice but to participate in the market for their subsistence.

[@nelsongonzalez4533]

Capitalism kicked out with mercantilism and laissez- faire and this led to what we call today liberalism.

[@Djordj69]

exellnt talk