Vivobarefoot FANBOY tries Xero Shoes for the first time

[@sammy0084]

I wear mostly Vivos, but mix in a collection of various other brands. Nexus Knit is the only Xero I’ve kept and that one’s sizing is spot on (EU 44) for me. The shoe fits like a sock and is amazing! I hope they’ll add more similar shoes to their lineup. Considering to try their Neo Prio in white. I think an important discussion point for the shoe fit to raise here is the personal foot shape. Mine is more like a Greek foot shape (second toe longer than the big toe), which means that this kind of a round tip with mild tapering of Nexus does work for me. Looking at your feet it is obvious why Vivos are made for you as they make this extra stretched out part for the big toe. I truly enjoy my Vivos, looks and feel both, but sizing with each model is a quite a game of trial and error to get it right. For me their “tapering” is too sharp from the outer side and I’ll often end up with this huge empty space in front of my big toe, while the other toes are almost at the front edge. Thanks for the good video! I think it is great to see how and why various barefoot shoes work or don’t for different feet. The whole journey of getting to go barefoot, or in minimalist shoes, is about learning how your own feet and gait work and how to keep them healthy.

[@harrisonmudge]

Thanks for the comment and really great point about fit preference and actual shape of foot. It shows just how much of an impossible task it actually is to make any shoes that actually fit an entire population. That's why Vivobarefoot's VivoBiome project is a game changer as they're taking real scans / images of your feet and enabling a custom fit based on not only your foot shape but also your preference. You're also right with Vivo's fit being a lot of trial and error. With my size being the top end I only have the binary 'fit or no fit' situation! And it's not ideal having to get 2 or 3 pairs just to find the right one for you. I've been thinking about this and not sure how feasible it wold be, but if it were somehow possible to have the actual internal dimensions of each shoe size, similar to a shirt or something, it could inform the buyer of which size to get. Probably a lot of work for not a lot of return but would be nice just to know how wide or long a shoe actually is in certain areas.

[@sammy0084]

​@@harrisonmudge I think in general barefoot shoe brands try to do a bit more for people to be able to make somewhat educated guesses for their sizing than the brands of other types of shoes and well, they have to. :D I don't know what would be the real solution but, akin to what you were saying, some tangible reference points would be great. Could maybe even be something rather simple. Like the outline of the shoe in three different sizes with a foot outline on top of it, then measurements in various angles. As long as all the measurements are scaled right, this would be helpful for me. Let's say EU 44 shoe shape would be there with a foot, that fits the shoe, on top of it and inside that shoe shape would be faded size 43 outline and outside size 45 outline. I would only need to know the measurements of the foot (including toe lenght) + shoe of that middle size as long as the other outlines are scaled right. Wouldn't even need that for all sizes, but to have some realistic reference points somewhere close to my size would be great. I can do the math from there as long as I would know how much and which way the measurements change from a size to another.

[@harrisonmudge]

@@sammy0084 Yeah I think that's a good idea. I think it would need to work across all sizes but in order for that to work at all, having the size above and below, you'd need those measurements anyway so a visual representation with scale would be great. I wonder if that would end up really highlighting the inconsistencies though 😅

[@watchin-stoof988]

I tried Xero and thought the same. That big toe touching the side wall of the shoe feeling makes me so upset it’s almost unbelievable. Should be illegal

[@harrisonmudge]

😅 yeah it’s definitely a horrible sensation. I do remember wearing Nike trainers years back and at the time it was just something I had to deal with. My big toes would be numb on the sides after wearing them all day!

[@emrooker]

I recently gave thought the same about a brand/model of shoes I’ve been wearing for years. And it’s only on one foot. It feels like if they would give me maybe something as small as 1-2 mm of extra width, it would make a huge difference. It actually bothered me so much I ended up moving my foot around while walking to get more comfortable but in the end I messed up my knee.

[@mathijskempers9196]

Try wildsole for sandals, they’re UK based and only ship in UK. I got them now for three weeks and they’re really comfortable. Easy to adjust and good quality. They make custom sized sandals so also for your bigger feet they should have a great sandal. Owen Jackson made a KZbin clip about them.

[@harrisonmudge]

Thanks for the tip! Definitely gonna check these out 👍🏻

[@TadeuszCantwell]

You aren't the only one that has commented on the toebox from people with bigger feet. I think Xero are trying to look more like regular shoes. It doesn't bother my foot size, since they do stretch out a bit, so I wear both. For me the Vivo primus is much too long in the front, even when I go down a size. The first Scrambler low has that slightly wider toebox that I really like and the Denver leather do stretch a lot with wear. From my experience Merrels are narrower than Xero and suit people with a smaller foot. Maybe try Wildling, if you are ok with their look, they are a bit wider than Xero and the pair I got fit true to size.

[@harrisonmudge]

Thanks for the the recommendation. I’ll take a look. I do appreciate that I’m kinda on the extreme end of sizes (although there’s plenty of people with bigger feet than me) but they still just don’t seem to compensate for people that have longer or wider feet than average. They seem to focus on the ‘average’ size and then add a bit. Rather than starting with with wide and going wider

[@TadeuszCantwell]

@@harrisonmudge I completely agree on their sizing approach. I get the impression that most companies have a size they have as a base, for example softstar have wide options. I think it's down to the small market where companies have to choose their niche, since they can't afford to have a wide variety of options. I forgot to mention if you don't like the floppy aqua sandal, Xero does make thicker options. Or have a look at Luna or Shamma sandals that I've heard other people give positive feedback about. Or even give the Xero self sandal build kit a try as a video project.

[@stokepusher5481]

Same height/volume issue here with the Nexus which came today, I'm a UK13. But I had a spare set of Vivo thermal insoles which have a bit more thickness to them and also in size 13. And yep, that's done the trick, Vivo insoles aren't quite the same as Xero, but they squished in, and I also used the included Nexus insoles too, which go best on top, and the Xero insoles also have a less slippy fabric which feels better with a looser fit. I tried out the Primus Lites knit in UK 13 but they are bigger inside than the 'firm ground'-FG versions from Vivo, so sent those back, yet I'm a bit reluctant to get the 12's now as I'm seeing some sole detaching away early issues on some Amazon reviews. perhaps just depends on how you use them, but these Xero Nexus do have a tough feeling sole, the Vivo Primus Lites felt in contrast very soft rubber, yet not sure if it's a material or glue issue, if at all. And it's the Vivo Primus Trail Knits in UK13 that I bought first, but as I learnt from another youtube vid, the issue with those can be the main crease point around the small toe area, the upper side material is tough and quite wide there, and creates some unpleasant inward crease points, so I can only really use them now with thicker socks, otherwise good barefoot shoes.

[@harrisonmudge]

I’ve not had any issues with my Primus Lite Knit but It probably depends how people use them. I’ve got lots of different pairs of Vivos for different occasions and my Primus Knit are a more casual wear rather that getting hammered by exercise, or sport so could be that. I’ve never had any true failures with glue though. I’ve got some magna FG, an older pair of Geo racer and a Primus Lite, all of which have an area where the sole has started to come away from the upper slightly. BUT it only ever seems to be at an edge, either the heel or round the little toe let’s say. But it’s never progressed any further round or under the shoe so I think they’re a high stress point but once it gives there then there’s no additional stress so seems to last. Just an assumption but that’s based on my personal experience.

[@wesley290]

You could try Xero Prio, which are wider and their trail sandal that isn't flimsy. Though your feet may be too long, as you said you already wore the biggest size. I have no problem with the Dillion or any other Xero shoe though. I much prefer them to Vivobarefoot. Typically all my Xero shoes at half a size bigger than I'd wear in Vivobarefoot. I don't like Vivo's ultra thin sole that is not well glued to their protective membrane. Scary having such expensive shoes creek like crazy because of this on a pair of primus lite that I had. Also the front of the sole hinges up then downwards and makes a slapping sound on a few models that I tried. Inside of the sole being almost a straight line and not curved does not suit me either. I also like Groundies. They have regular barefoot and a barefoot plus option for more width. Quite a big range to choose from too.

[@natew4494]

The outsoles may look thinker but Xero intentionally recesses the insole, giving the appearance from the outside (rim) that there’s more sole then there really is, if that makes sense. Love my Xeros, but then again I have narrower feet, so no issues with the toe box. Love the warranty they give to their outsoles btw. Their tread material is more durable and comfortable than any other barefoot I’ve tried while still ensuring a real ground feel.

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah makes sense. It is a shame they didn’t fit but I think overall their shape just isn’t a match for my foot shape. I do respect what they’re trying to do though 👌🏻

[@CzechTennisGuy]

Hey there, I just got into the barefoot world and bought the Merrell Wrapt and Merrell Trail Glove 7. I really like the Trail Glove 7, the feel and the grip for the ground is excellent, although it's not as wide as I expected to be, but it's very stretchy so yeah, it kind of fits my foot really well and I can wear no socks in them. They have also a small cushioning technology there so they feel very plush at the same time. The Merrell Wrapt is wider though and I can wear thicker socks in them. They are definitely more durable thanks to the pig leather and can work as light hiking shoes or city movers without a problem. They have no cushioning but the quantum grip outsole is pretty massive so it works like a cushioning little bit. I suggest you try these. I'm not sure why but Merrell seems to be kind of forgotten among the barefoot community. Keep up the good work!

[@harrisonmudge]

Thanks for taking the time to comment bud, really appreciate it. I’ll keep trying different brands but right now it seems Vivo is the sweet spot for me. Not perfect across the range but in general they’re usually decent. Other brands just don’t spark the joy in me at the moment

[@CptAngelKGaming]

You need to tighten the sandals really tight so that they kinda contort to your foot when you lift your feet. Those also look like a size bigger. Try the smaller size. When properly sized and tightented they don't flop around at all and that super thin sole is the closest you'll get to barefoot and feels amazing. The Genesis is even better for ground feel.

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah I definitely needed to size down. Very annoying though when you have to go back and forth. I just found they didn't excite me enough to keep paying for shipping back and forth. Also annoying how the sandals ran way larger than the shoes. I might try again in the near future though

[@TravelSick]

Holy shit, was looking for a review of these on youtube then I saw your channel! Hope you and family are all doing well! Hopefully get to catch up soon. Josh & Alli x

[@harrisonmudge]

Haha amazing! Yes the family is all good brother. 100% catch up soon. Big Mudge love to you both 😄

[@morgant6508]

An interesting thing I found with the Xero: I compared it to the ON running shoes I have: the Xero were approximately the same on the sole! In fact, I still explain what's different, because I feel more space in the Xero (fortunately): the Xero have a maximum of half a centimeter more toe box, but not even sure there's that much.. On the other hand, what differentiates the two: the Xero HFS that I have have a stretchy fabric above and which widens. As a result, my toes can easily move to the side. It's so flexible and thin that I don't feel stuck. (My feet are between normal and thin, I think. I don't have wide feet or big toes. In terms of fashion, I think I have "beautiful feet": thin, athletic. Without wanting to denigrate anyone either, but more to give a visualization.) (You also have to take into account the overall shape of the foot. My toes have a decreasing length but... especially from the second toe onwards. I don't have a really longer or even bigger big toe. This is why the Vivo seemed excessive to me (I explain this in my other message.))

[@harrisonmudge]

yeah mine aren't the widest, just 'big' with a large big toe with the rest tapering so I never feel like my little toes get crushed but i'm very sensitive to my big toes being boxed in. Mad how such subtle differences can impact the fit dramatically.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

Yeah, I guess it's just a problem with having feet at the highest end of the usual production scale. I haven't had issues with my Xero shoes, but I've only been in barefoot shoes for about 10 months, so my feet could still get wider. I also only wear a size 10 so I have some movement. One of the wildest sizing issues I had was with Lems. The website said to go up half a size for the Chillum shoes, so I got a 10.5, and they felt like a size 9. So I had to send them back to the store and get an 11.5 for them to fit properly. Very strange. But just looking at the shoes I have, the most obvious looking ones are the Splay Freestyle. They come to a pretty hard point on the big toe. Also the Be Lenka Winter Boot 3.0 is very clown-like, so I would imagine other Be Lenka shoes are just as wide.

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah it’s wild how the sizing fluctuates. And I’ve realised that the websites usually give a general rule on sizing rather than individual shoes. Although some actually do so I don’t want to tarnish all with the same brush. Guess it’s all about just finding the brand and where you fit in their sizes. I just shoot for the 14 as it’s usually the max size anyway and I’m actually yet to put a pair of 14 that a too big 😅

[@toddboucher3302]

Dial for me, the Aqua cloud is my favorite roadrunning shoe for no 1015 miles and under probably over by wanted to, but I’m mostly a trail Runner but I do my road runs during the week and mostly all my easy pace runs and modern runs are in that shoe but I love that sand that little bit of cushioning just makes it a little bit nicehow to get spring

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah I’m not a massive runner myself but great to hear you love the aqua cloud. I was told I probably needed a size down in this instance but they didn’t excite me enough to try again with them

[@jasonthompson9893]

Freet shoes, a small UK company, that make fantastic fitting shoes. Crucially, the shoes do not begin to curve inwards, untill they are past the big toe. i.e. on the inside of the foot, its almost a straight line, from the heal until past the big toe. I have three pairs, and they were actually how I discovered barefoot shoes in the first place. I encountered their stall at a food trade fare, was just curious, and chatted with the company owned. In hind sight, a life changing moment. The older designs are, if I am honest, not that pretty, but the newer models look good. The main thing however is the fit. It's just really great. Also the prices are good, and its a UK company! I have run Ultras in their Feldom (I tried the Xero Messa Trail first, got toe blisters, too narrow!) and my every day show is the Pace, lasted 3 seasons so far, apart from summer, where I wear almost exclusively Bedrock Cairn Sandals. For fit and comfort, I really rate Freet.

[@harrisonmudge]

I had a look at Freet after your comment as they sounded super interesting but when I checked out some of their range they only went up to a UK 12 😓 gutted as would like to try them but not even close to my size

[@childcrone]

With the canvas slip-on as you were talking about the toe shape and wishing they could just continue straight with it, I wished I could recommend Splay shoes because that's exactly what they do. Sadly their top size is EU 47. My dad's feet are US 14 and he spent most of his life only being able to find shoes a size too small. His feet are badly contracted and hammer-toed.

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah that’s a real shame. It’s definitely challenging when you’re towards the extreme of a scale, small or large. I don’t think the number of people at either end is insignificant but more that relatively speaking there’s just so many more people in the middle. (Obviously). When someone is a size 9 or 10 I do envy them sometimes. Although saying that, there’s a higher chance of things being out of stock in that higher frequency range

[@childcrone]

@@harrisonmudge Hey, I just saw that Splayshoes has added one size larger (M14/W16) to their updated Freestyle model. Thought of you!

[@harrisonmudge]

@childcrone thanks bud. Will take a look 👌🏻

[@alphameric]

I have a couple pairs of Xeros, Wildlings, & several pairs of Vivos. I like the HFS (not HFS2) for road running and I use the suede Prio as a daily beater for work. As a Canadian I don't think they are worth the price. USD to CAD exchange is often brutal, especially after duties & shipping. I'd rather buy another pair of Vivos off of Revivo or splurge for a fresh pair from Vivo. That said, the soles on the Xeros last WAY WAY longer than my Vivos do which is why I continue to wear them. I've worn through the soles of a few pairs of my "daily" Vivos over the years, but I've yet to wear down the Xeros. Unfortunately road running in Primus Lites (3 or Knit) totally obliterates the soles under the toes and balls of my feet.

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah I'd say the Vivos are certainly the thinnest ones I've experienced so far so it donsn't surprise me. Bit of a catch 22 isn't it though. A balance between thickness, life span and 'natural' feeling.

[@morgant6508]

For my part, I bought my first barefoot shoes last month. Took Xero, returned (not the right size), tried Vivo, returned (I'll explain), ordered Xero (not the right size), ordered Xero (right size). In fact, unlike you, when I put on the Vivo, I immediately felt that they were horrible for me: I didn't understand anything: the shoe had a lot of room for the big toe, it was much too big for me and conversely, I had no room for my little toe. In fact, my little toe was AGAINST the edge of the shoe, tight. Then my fourth toe had 5mm of space, ok. Then my third was 10mm, ok. Then my second was 15 mm, it's still too big... And my big toe was 20 mm!!! And on the side, on the big one, I had a lot of space, and on the side of my little toe, I was tight, completely against it! For the Xero I was hesitant to return them: their problem is that they are not clear about the size of their shoes. I was made fun of on their site. I gave the HFS 2/5 for several reasons while at the same time I say that they are worth 9/10 :-p (sizing problem, no response from customer service, saying take half size more while it's not even 0.5 cm larger, but seems to be between 0 and 0.5 cm smaller, not 0.5...) For the Vivo, I had never been so uncomfortable in a pair of shoes in my life. :-p Feeling too weird. (hope my english not too bad, not my first language)

[@harrisonmudge]

Hey bud thanks for taking time to comment, I appreciate it. I’m sorry to hear you didn’t get on with Vivo. It’s definitely a bit of trial and error until you can find a brand that suits you. It’s just going to take a bit of time. Perseverance is key 😅

[@michaelb2655]

Shama and Luna sandals are great as well

[@harrisonmudge]

Thanks will take a look 👌🏻

[@Cal760]

In xero always I have to go like 2,5 sizes bigger than vivo (except sandals from what I have seen online)

[@harrisonmudge]

Wow yeah not ideal is it. You’re right about the sandals and someone else said it to me too that the sandals are actually a bit bigger so you almost need to size down a bit. Frustrating when the sizes are all over the place!

[@kitcraft9516]

I am lucky and unlucky at the same time. I have wide, high-volume feet. 9.5 4E with high instep and arches. The lucky thing about that is that my forefoot is so wide that if I find a shoe that fits it WILL have a wide enough toe box because my toes splay isn't as wide as the ball of my foot. The problem, barefoot shoes don't often come in double extra wide sizes. Yes, they have a wide toe box but that is only true for people with a D/E width foot here in the US (an F width for you guys, I think). Widening the toe box does nothing for the midfoot or forefoot. I need more volume in my shoes most of the time. Heel, midfoot, instep and forefoot need to match the toe box. To give an example: As a 9.5 4E on a Brannock I actually typically wear a 9.5 4E but a 10 3E, 10.5 EE, 11E or 11.5D. See how that works. I end up with an inch of extra space at the end to get width and that is if I am lucky. This works with barefoot shoes but not conventional shoes due to arch support or drop placement (ouch). All of that to say, Xero are narrow, lol. Like, on par with a conventional trainer in a 3/4E width. (Again, with a regular trainer the toe box may be narrower to start but is proportional to the last and with a wide foot that automatically gives me more room.) It stinks having feet that are on the fringe of normal society, lol. I really wish they companies would offer a wide. Already being barefoot they are wider to start with so I think offering a EE would be enough for many of us hobbit foot folk. Anyway, I just found your channel and will take some time to check out your videos. Thank you for sharing.

[@harrisonmudge]

Hey thanks for the comment. really appreciate it. Yeah I feel your struggle. Whether you have long feet, wide feet or both it's really hard to the right fit. The biggest issue is due to a manufacturer having to make shoes on mass. So they have to cater to the 'average' or highest frequency potential customer. So for people like yourself and me, much wider or much longer than average just isn't as important, or perhaps as financially worth while to cater to the extremes. They've gotta stop somewhere otherwise they'll make shoes no one (or very few) will buy and to make those in the first place would cost more as they could be making more of their better selling sizes. This is why the VivoBiome project is so exciting. Scanning your feet and getting bespoke shoes made only for your foot shape is the future and I'm excited for it.

[@kitcraft9516]

@@harrisonmudge Yes, The Biome project is really cool. I realize that wide feet are a small percentage, but it isn't small enough that traditional markets don't cater to it, at least in the US. Work boots and running shoes have come in at least wide and extra wide for decades. But to be fair they probably sell more product as well. As always, I'll just have to find what works! Thank you again!

[@harrisonmudge]

@kitcraft9516 yeah you are right, so there’s no excuse really. It’s just the constant trial and error can be quite exhausting! No worries bud 👌🏻

[@gregaustin8114]

Thank you for the review. The toe does look narrow, and being the same size as you, I guess I’ll stick with Vivo.

[@harrisonmudge]

No problem, thanks for the comment as always 👌🏻 Yeah, at lease in these two that i've tried, they're sadly a no go :(

[@gregaustin8114]

@@harrisonmudge It’s nice to get a review from someone with the same size feet as me. I usually don’t know how to interpret them. Subscribed.

[@chrisland97]

It is true, they are more of a transitional shoe sizing which is too narrow in the midsole and big toe narrowing. But their cloud sandals are good. Watch a review on people using them hiking. The pair you have is a size too large. You want the sole to barely cover your foot. And the string does get comfortable and molded to your foot. But yours is too big and has too much front overlap. If you can order a size down and try them out. They are really good for natural foot Fox walking and actual running. I did some trail running and felt super barefoot.

[@harrisonmudge]

@@gregaustin8114 Legend, thanks!

[@DeletedDenizen]

Splays have the angular shape at the big toe that you describe, maybe give them a try

[@DeletedDenizen]

Also wildlings look very wide but I don't have first have experience with them (plus they are from europe so you should be able to have an easier time sourcing them)

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah had a look at the Wildings. They have me very intrigued, I just don't think I could pull them off!

[@angrycatalan325]

Xero shoes soles are way too thick for me to walk naturally. Sandals are ok but in general I prefer Vivo. The Xero floppy sandal has to be way more tight then they are really nice.

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah I didn't get the sandal right but it just didn't wow me enough to commit. Vivo still my number 1 too for sure.

[@angrycatalan325]

@@harrisonmudge haven’t found Vivo rubber sandals yet…

[@harrisonmudge]

They have some leather ones but they’re always super limited supply and never have my size

[@nathanwaite9580]

He got 3 pairs of Xero’s cuz it’s the same price as 1 pair of Vivo’s 😂😅 the main issue I have with Xero and Vivo is that they are too narrow. I’m a US 14EEE typically and I measure 12” length and 5.9” wide so it’s hard to find literally anything that fits right.

[@lafamillecarrington]

If only they were that cheap!

[@harrisonmudge]

🤣 SO TRUE! Thought I was on to a winner and saving myself some money! I feel for you mate, you've got some serious feet there. We're the same length but you've got an inch on me in the width. I know the US do cater for larger sizes, actually stocking beyond a 12 in a store! What shoes do you get at the moment? Is it a lot of trial and error, is there a brand that works for you or do you just wear flip flops all day?!

[@nathanwaite9580]

@@harrisonmudge my work boots right now are Keen’s in a 15EE and I have a pair of the original Vivobarefoot Ra in a 14 that are all smashed and broken in. My issues with both of these is that I can’t spread out my toes literally at all and my big toe still gets turned in by the shape of the shoe. Prior to these shoes I was making New Balance’s work in 15EE by cutting any seams free on the sides of the shoe. I can find shoes that fit my length no problem here in the US, it’s just always the width and volume that doesn’t work right for me. Custom is an option but for serious money. Have you tried any of the Bearfoot brand shoes? They look like they might work for me but they are rarely in stock on their site.

[@harrisonmudge]

@nathanwaite9580 wow so really having to make them work for you! No not tried bearfoot but just had a look and the couple I looked at only went to a uk 13 so I’d say they’d instantly a no go. Sounds like bespoke shoes are your best bet but obviously the cost can mean a serious investment. However, if you can actually be sure the bespoke shoes would fit properly then I’d argue they’d be worth every penny in my opinion. Comfort and fit which would also mean better foot and body health long term would be worth it

[@fraac]

i recommend xero hfs (not hfs 2) and mesa trail (1 or 2) for road and trail running

[@harrisonmudge]

Do you just wear Xero or do you have any other barefoot brands?

[@fraac]

i've tried a few kinds. xero suit me best, but vivos are great when they happen to fit well (i love the magna forest esc for hiking). freet tanga/pace are comfortable but absorb moisture and get heavy, so i use them for casual rather than running. i couldn't recommend merrell vapor glove / trail glove to a size 14 guy (i'm 12uk and not wide feet)

[@harrisonmudge]

@@fraac 😅 yeah it's not as simple when you're on the extreme ends of a scale. I think function is always interesting too. I personally don't do hiking but do end up in scenarios where a rugged and warm boot are essential and the Tracker FG from Vivo have been amazing for that. Although they're actually a bit small for me now. I tend to favour the more casual use case, day to day and then gym wear. All put very different demands on the shoes and as a wearer you expect different things from each. Not sure what my point was there but it's just interesting thinking about the purpose of shoes and how much we expect of them.

[@susanaheidemannmayy7918]

Xero are my favorite!

[@harrisonmudge]

VIVOBAREFOOT are currently my favourite but always open to other brands. Sadly these just didn’t fit right

[@Lifting_Like_Larry]

Have you tried Flux Footwear adapt trainer? Have mine for 2 years heavy use and still good condition.

[@harrisonmudge]

No I haven’t but I’ll check them out 👍🏻

[@slavasss2189]

Try merrell vapor glove/ trail glove...

[@harrisonmudge]

Had a few people say the say but also they seem to run small so doesn't fill me with too much confidence being on the larger size of shoes :(

[@slavasss2189]

@@harrisonmudge u have free returns, just try

[@autisticCliffDiver]

had the same problem

[@harrisonmudge]

Yeah no good. Back to Vivo I go 😅

[@darqonbanahwanyah4652]

Tadeevo barefoot shoes do an extra big sizes 14 plus my fiend, check them out, I have 3 pair of there shoes

[@harrisonmudge]

Oooh interesting. I’ll give them a look 👌🏻

[@lafamillecarrington]

Xero say to go half a size up from your normal shoe size. I'm not sure why they don't just downsize their shoes, but if you bought the wrong size the review is meaningless.

[@harrisonmudge]

I bought their biggest size they sell, a UK 14 and they were still too small. The length may have been manageable but just lacked the width. Sadly they don't offer a bigger size, otherwise I'd have tried them. :(

[@michaelb2655]

Lems all the way!

[@harrisonmudge]

Looks like they do a good range of sizes, sadly I just don’t like the look of them 😕

[@michaelb2655]

@@harrisonmudge I get that. I purchased 5 vivos, 1 splay and 1 xero, and 1 shama sandal before trying out some of Lems boots. (I was hesitant for the same reason) But man they ended up being comfortable. I own 4 lems now and they have become my go to. Would love to see more styles. Very much has the Colorado backpacker look

[@darqonbanahwanyah4652]

Ultra thin soles