Math Hoffa on Why He Fired Esso & Hynaken from My Expert Opinion (Part 19)

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In a recent interview between Vlad and Math Hoffa, the two discussed a controversy involving Esso and Hynaken leaving Hoffa's podcast. The hosts cleared up any suspicion that Esso and Hynaken's departure was caused by someone else. Instead, Hoffa explained that they were fired for creating their own podcast while still being part of his. This move directly violated the agreement they had, which was to focus on Hoffa's podcast. Vlad shared a similar experience he had on his show and stated that employees sign a non-compete agreement to prevent such incidents. The non-compete bars staff from creating content that could compete with the existing platform. Both Vlad and Hoffa concurred that being employed full-time and attempting to create competing content doesn't work and is detrimental to the functioning of the original platform. Hoffa spoke on how the situation affected him and his disappointment that even with confirmation that what they claimed was untrue, they continued to perpetuate the lie.

[@rickardcooper6063]

Man, Vlad gonna make a situation relate to him personally if he can help it! 🤣 Math: My baby's mother... Vlad: When I was a baby-mama...

[@jesusbarajas4840]

😅😅

[@yaguybario8436]

😂😂😂😂

[@mwcuttingedge9460]

😂😂😂😂

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

😂😅😂😅

[@YourNorthFloridaRealtor]

😂😂😂😂 that ni66a vlad do that

[@Chickenn839]

I miss the old cast one reason I was a fan was because of the chemistry they had it made the show feel authentic

[@SloMo-ch6fv]

Esso was great he always had a different perspective than everyone else

[@ILLiteSociety]

Esso was cool....Hynaken seemed like he was trying too hard

[@Sharon-rp7ir]

they didn't kiss 💋 tha ring 💍 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@deesee2051]

Vlad Slick Slick Esso and Hynaken gonna be on here next week 😂😂😂

[@FlyAwayChi]

Naw, losing Esso was a huge L...Just keeping it 💯 That nigga's knowledge on the music business was incredible plus his personality was entertaining

[@kinggee5605]

That’s 💯

[@JEFE310]

Esso was a huge part of the show. Ni ever really questioned what he said and he has relationships with people that were brought on so it led to more deeper conversations that we probably wouldn't hear about

[@thecardbunker801]

​@@JEFE310esso is a bum nobody knows or cares about that lame

[@EastEZ82]

Agreed

[@ThatAnimeGamer]

Hynaken, Esso, Math, and Mecca was the best combination this show has ever had. All the other people who used to be on the show or currently are, are just cool

[@TonyStarks1986]

EXACTLY!

[@locklife4336]

Facts

[@jordanhtiffirg1990]

Bigga?, the female battle rapper that used to be on??

[@ThatAnimeGamer]

@@jordanhtiffirg1990 Bigga rarely talks so I honestly forgot about him. But yes I would include Bigga in the group to make it 5. Is he off the show now or he just been busy doing other stuff lately. No the female battle was also just cool. Her addition to show wasn't anything game changing.

[@keithrochester4671]

Hell naw the show better now

[@JayCee-mk1ex]

Math didn’t even pay Bigga the man of God! smh watched the bag fuel episode with Bigga and when you touching paper you gotta pay everyone involved I enjoy Meo and bag .. Math you gotta pay your people fam

[@KyleSmith-fs2vx]

Other than Mecca nobody brings anything to the show like Esso & Hynaken did. They were much better

[@invest2115]

Vlad: "I've employees that have done the same thing" this man is the best of having similar experiences of every guest, no matter what the topic is. Damn!

[@ch33zybreadtrellie4]

EXCEPT when it’s about being jumped…… he never wants to relate to that and bring that up

[@Eyegetdeep]

Why does this bother people so much?

[@slim666shady666]

@@ch33zybreadtrellie4you got over 1000 comments on his channel I’m sure he just giving your life meaning at this point by not bringing it up 🤣

[@soilwhisperer8113]

@@ch33zybreadtrellie4he literally just talked about how he felt after being jumped with boosie a few days ago.

[@montegah]

@@ch33zybreadtrellie4 nah lmao I've heard Vlad talk about that too much already don't need to keep hearing about it, it's been like 10 years.

[@YXOG]

Vlad loves to hear the sound of hisxown voice

[@ТоняЗаліська]

...and pat himself on the 🔙

[@aldaytires9555]

And tell you about how many employees he has

[@ericrowland3246]

I believe it’s because of this: He has interviewed many people, usually black, who has less money than him and/or made more mistakes than him (rappers, killers, drug dealers etc) so his confidence is always on high. He’s a self made millionaire who owns his own content and is usually more successful than his guests so he feels like he’s above others.

[@josephwilliams3721]

Obviously you do too because you watch it

[@JesusDiedforU2]

Just running his mouth

[@reloadedmusic]

Math is not keepin it 100 they said they already had a show. He never had it in a contract that they couldn’t do a show. They brought good energy to the show and Math didn’t like that they was becoming popular. The show to me is still good but hasn’t been the same

[@DrewMcfee]

No negga .. if that was true they would’ve never been apart of his shit … they was using math shit to start up they shit on the side and get it off the ground … and you see right now they shit ain’t as good as math show … them neggas sinked they own ship ..

[@MrSosa1969]

@@DrewMcfeemath show is entertaining and good . However , not as much without those guys. And the facts and data shows , the growth percentage has slowed down considerably. Some can account that naturally happens because of the audience size , yet definitely attrition because of the cast change

[@stonahhlovah2026]

Math a hater

[@reloadedmusic]

@@stonahhlovah2026 lol facts I feel like he felt they was taking over the show. He didn’t want nobody’s voice bigger than him.

[@djhadnot9203]

He never said he had it in the contract that they couldn’t do the show he was saying that they should do it on his platform so they all could eat just like they were when he allowed them on his platform. They didn’t want to so he felt that was shady and fired them. That’s actually pretty fair. It hasn’t been the same but they’ve been steady in their elevation tho

[@jimmyparson7221]

Esso and Hynaken said Math wasn’t pay them consistently. They had to keep asking for their money. Plus they had Bag Fuel before Maths show. They stopped while they were on the show but when he started acting funny with the money they started back filming BagFuel. Plus there wasn’t a contract. If there was he wouldn’t have been doing that no pay BS. smh

[@HotYella817]

Sean Bigga the old dude was just on Bag Fuel 2 nights ago. HE JUST LEFT TOO. can u guess why he left? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@1k_215]

Exactly lol and jf paid attention to detail this clip drops the same day as that episode and the same day math sneak dissed bigga wit his latest bimmy episode lol

[@HotYella817]

@@1k_215 AND Vlad dropped the part of his interview where he was talking about why he "fired" Esso n Hynaken. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯🤣🤣🤣🤣 they think we don't pick up on this shit.

[@HotYella817]

@@1k_215 I didn't watch the new bummy episode I don't watch Math no more at all literally.

[@gamecrazyoo1]

@@HotYella817when he fell out of rotation for you ? For me it was the rowdy situation first then the troy ave situation. Like he really let rowdy get that dumb narrative that lil Tim ain’t have to shoot to defend quando that was a lil weird but ok politics. Then with troy ave he let this nigga say whatever as long as he gets to put tax stone in a bad light . He be showing too many biases acting emotional and shit imo crazy cause the show was pretty good

[@JustBeingCandid44]

They had Bag Fuel way before MEO and stopped taping because of MEO. Once they left the show they continued taping Bag Fuel.

[@jdun6437]

We need a mute option when Vlad talks. The only time we should hear Vlad is when he’s asking a question or getting clarity on a question. Nobody wants to hear his anecdotal experiences.

[@barithekid]

The name of the channel is called Vlad TV lol damn fool.

[@D.D.D.L.]

Or you could stop being a whiny a$$ baby and go watch something else 😂, his show don't like how he's doing it, go make your own. Ps...... why do you think you speak for everyone? I'm genuinely curious about your infinite vast intelligent wisdom nobody else has.... 🙄

[@lawrencericho3635]

Seriously 😅

[@Iguesswellneverknow375]

Honestly tho, if you skip thru the video you’ll notice Vlad is talking the majority of it. Wild

[@rell7048]

Same thing for NORE

[@NoIDAvailable]

This is why you don't put your time & effort, into building someone else's dream. Someone always comes out on top, and usually it isn't the guy under, yet they are usually the reason something is successful

[@slippinjimmy9052]

But math sean bigga and the others didnt get paid so how,do they work for you ? Bigga said he wanted help to start his own show but u didn't help ? Is bigga lying too?

[@DIEGORODRIGUEZ-xe1gk]

VLAD states he wants his interviews to be like 60 minutes. He wants to bring the best interviews possible to his platform. Yet he makes the #1 mistake all great interviews make sure they avoid. They do not interject themselves into the interview. It's ridiculous

[@BoiTrey725]

And he’s been doing this for 20 years. His ego is astronomical, I truly think vlad believes the viewers are here for him

[@ZEFFENWULF]

@@BoiTrey725a lot of his “interviews” are really conversations. If the interview is about current happenings he has to interject more than let’s say a life story

[@TAZS]

it’s a real shame because all these podcast shows no matter how big the main host is like Math and Joe they’re better with their original team and in most cases the pods are never the same when the original crew leaves/gets fired

[@tgo007]

gone but not forgotten bgl, shapel, malik, cat, theo

[@yungjackpot4329]

Joe Budden podcast is better now

[@reboot4357]

Math show waaaaay better since bob and bill got outta there. The energy was def off af.

[@coxish1765]

joe pod is way better now

[@ADG.Est.1988]

I agree

[@podfather6448]

SpaceGhost, Esso, Hynaken, Sean Bigga .. at some point Math needs to look in the mirror.

[@justiceholiday6740]

Sean bigga left also smh

[@matrixisreal2023]

Math know the show ain’t better without them.

[@Mr-my8kx]

Thats why hes emotional 😂

[@matrixisreal2023]

@@Mr-my8kx exactly

[@Priddyboiicrls]

bagfuel is beyond garbage, MEO never been better

[@HR-ms6ed]

Says who 🤔

[@game2572]

Everyone wants to be their own boss even to their own detriment

[@Bigneek_9127]

The fact that Math Hoffa is wearing a mmg hat during a vlad interview is wild 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@MrIAMLEGENDstudios]

Yooooooo😂😂😂😂

[@techline1337]

Oh isssshhh just now noticing

[@killagraphics9106]

Yo I didn't even pay attention to that yeah that is wild

[@scatman1009]

Who the hell wears MMG anyway lmao

[@goatkublack604]

​@scatman1009 fr why he rocking a fuckin low down c.o. officer piggy

[@LH2KPresents]

He needs to explain why Bigga is gone as well.

[@Spacelay2]

Math 🧢🧢 about something Esso definitely brought light to the show

[@WillOnCode]

This is why I like the corey holcomb 5150 show he let his co host have another show why stop someone from getting money

[@AshTaylor-j7i]

Niggas dont wanna admit but esso made that show pop

[@PAYBCK86]

Vlad needs to interview himself 😂 He talks wayyyyyy too much 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@cheapestwhips2010]

Math, stop the Cap. Tell the truth, shame the devil. Anyway Esso is doing good

[@Theonyxconservative]

Math and Mecca is the show everybody else can be swapped out😂

[@dirtybirdxx]

Naw I like the other two dudes that sit on the other side...graph wasn't made to podcast so I'm glad bro got up outta there lol

[@atomicdagod]

They need Sean bigga or the show is no good

[@harri8162]

Nah. It was dope when they were there so we didn’t have to listen to Mecca as much. Esso at least, other dude was irrelevant.

[@Karl671]

Definitely

[@BusterCrabb80]

​@atomicdagod Quick Question why they need sean bigga?

[@dollazandsense]

Esso was sassy and terrible anyway I’m glad he gone out of everybody his takes was so terrible and extra always interrupting guess like he no it all!

[@slippinjimmy9052]

Facts are facts math wanted all the money for himself and ppl to work for free that can never be right !

[@elishareilly7980]

Brooklyn dude always in his feelings

[@DIRTYSOUTHSHINOBI]

​@@elishareilly7980he In his feelings because his team wasn't being honest and keeping him in the dark about them starting a podcast on the side and he even offered too help them fund it.. man I read bullshit comments like yours and can tell yall ain't never been nothing

[@elishareilly7980]

@@DIRTYSOUTHSHINOBI u must be from crookln

[@slippinjimmy9052]

@@DIRTYSOUTHSHINOBI he need they had bagfuel its not a competitor

[@slippinjimmy9052]

@javonbatiste3294 what about not paying of the co hosts

[@Jon_8]

The KZbin game sounds like it's parallel to the dope game

[@aboutmillions]

Business principles are usually the same no matter what the drug is.

[@kingrobinson4563]

Facts

[@tipsandtricks6071]

I can't stand a guy who is blocking his employees from coming up.

[@martinshaw891]

Their “his employees”. He wasn’t blocking them from coming up, he just said go and do your own thing on your own. Like ni company let’s u build a competing brand while working as their employee.

[@tipsandtricks6071]

@@martinshaw891 Vlad talked about making his employees sign a non-compete. This is one-hundred-percent blocking employees from coming up. Because this can be enforced even if you're not working for him, based on the contract.

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@tonewopn8275]

He definitely just didn’t like Esso, and didn’t wanna split that bread with him

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

💯🎯

[@thinkforward8752]

This is Math's perspective, and it's *untrue* 😒 Esso was never fired, for starters. He & Hynaken just had Bigga on their Bag Fuel podcast yesterday, and the whole truth came out 💯 Bigga's no longer on Math's podcast either. Ego & money destroyed a perfect situation. Math is still doing his thing, but his show isn't nearly as good anymore. Excluding Mecca, his other "co-hosts" are *complete DUDS*👎👎👎 They have NO expert or even interesting opinions, and they mostly just lurk on the sidelines. The guests more/less carry the show now, whereas before it was more about the atmosphere at the shop. The guests were just cake icing back then.

[@Johnlmooring]

I miss Esso and Hynaken on MEO, they all meshed really well.

[@Karl671]

Yup

[@lennell5883]

Yeah, it’s the principle doe *Big Worm Voice 😂💯

[@FlyAwayChi]

Losing Esso was a huge L

[@757to704]

@@FlyAwayChiHow? Son was THE worst he spoke extremely too highly of himself with every guest. It’s like you couldn’t tell him anything because he knew it all. He would even speak about people and eras he didn’t even live as if he was there are knew the people he didn’t personal know.

[@FlyAwayChi]

@@757to704 Naw you niggas just don't like niggas that are extremely confident..He never acted like he was better than anybody or bragged about himself, he just gave more insight than others on the show because he was in the business for years. We gotta stop always trying to over humble people

[@Dollaz-And-Dreamz]

Firing your homies for trying to put themselves in position to better themselves is crazy!

[@antoniogriffin7135]

Not crazy when you sign a agreement not to compete

[@Ty_105]

@@antoniogriffin7135right

[@KtotheG]

Were they homies or just employees?

[@94shotson40]

​@@KtotheGRight... Esso didn't know Math like that... Hynaken was the homie tho

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@NINJA_INVESTORS]

Math sounds like smack

[@dariuspeterson1177]

he's got a point...it's been a year

[@rayspruce1]

Vlad LOVES to hear himself talk at this point. Somehow he can relate to EVERY guest🤦🏾‍♂️🙄😒LOL

[@harri8162]

Math, Esso, Bigga, Mecca. Champ iight. Now Mecca talk way too much, I’ll watch once in a while if it’s a dope guest, but I used to watch every episode no matter who before 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

Mecca & Math = 🪱🐞🦨

[@harri8162]

@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 not gon hold you, I got no clue what that means 😂

[@max4prez115]

MATH WEARING that MMG Hat & that’s vlad enemie

[@pharoah1200]

I'm late, but what is MMG?

[@max4prez115]

@@pharoah1200 Rick Ross rap group, Ross got vlad jumped before & vlad sued him

[@pharoah1200]

@@max4prez115 OK 👊👊

[@1236empireent]

What y'all are missing is that Math isn't mad at them for being independent, it's a business and a conflict of interest keeping them on board. Salute to Math

[@jutdujette4353]

FACTS...u can't pay someone to take u down. Common sense

[@KtotheG]

They aren't being independent if they're using his show to gain viewers for their platform. That contract to not compete is standard practice in the business world. It's a conflict of interest. I'm bound to that in my industry.

[@bonginkosihoko2839]

What drug re u using

[@ksmoove1100]

Nobody is missing that. It’s a very easy concept to grasp

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

​@@bonginkosihoko2839no shit this dude is beyond ignorant. lmfao now Sean Bigga just quit too from not getting paid, JUST LIKE 5 OTHER PPL DID😅 He was on Esso n Hynaken show called bag fuel a cpl nights ago. go peep it and listen to Bigga tells why he left. EXACT SMAE SHIT as everyone else said. why did Knowledge and Ms Fit leave? when a bunch of ppl say ur not paying them and ur the one at fault, you're usually the problem bro. not the other way around.

[@tjbattle7920]

Nah I only partially agree here. A non compete in some instances make much sense but ya talking about it like ya non competes are ONLY for when a person is on the show. Nah.. non competes be for the show AND when that worker leaves the show. Ya talking about non competes in a way that justifies al non competes. Non-compete are notorious for limiting and stifling justifiable competition. Non competes dont be like.. You cant make a podcast while on a podcast. Non competes be like you cant make a podcast while on a podcast or be on a another podcast if you leave, quit or fire or even work for another podcast for 3 years. Alot of times its even vaguer than that, like replacing the word podcast for the word broadcast or audio.. Once that happens its not about making sure a worker isnt stealing work.. Its about making sure that worker never gets work or is able to benefit from the very hardwork they put on. You might be the face of the show but you dont do it in a vacuum and somebody who is bringing the talent, charisma and energy to your show that's amassing you views and clout shouldnt be allow to steal work from you while on your show but they shouldnt be barred from the relationships and connections they have created themselves for the a large portion of their career.

[@MrDavidchuck]

This dude is very consistent with his flimsy interjections and constant need to place, what only he feels, he’s had going on or has happening to him in his life in an attempt to relate to the guest no matter what walks of life he/she has come from. Making it EXTREMELY hard to watch these “interviews”, let alone enjoy them.

[@banquo3873]

Yet here you are...watching these interviews.

[@MrDavidchuck]

@@banquo3873 ..ok Vlad. You got me.

[@traviscain2293]

​@@banquo3873 my thoughts exactly 😅

[@sportsinthebay1603]

Always...

[@BlackFaithProduction]

@@banquo3873This is always a dumb response I have to say. He never said he hated the interviewer. You have to give them a chance by watching the interview in order to form an opinion which is what he did.

[@XNOW716]

The addition of Hynaken, Esso and Mecca impacted a lot. Champ & Gat murddah are Great on the show tho. I wish bagfeul would've been part of MEO but hey..

[@88infinity20]

gat murdahh just pauses everything and champ is cool when it comes to relating to jail/prison stories. Only one that brings something is mecca. Math need some guest hosts to appear, Lupe, Currensy, Loaded Lux, etc.

[@lildip9022]

It's a great podcast ...but it was best when esso and hynaken were there....Mecca is probably the best cohost

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@kinggee5605]

Esso, Hynaken & Bigga was 🔥 that was my favorite line up, I like Mecca as well. I barely watch it now since Esso & Hynaken been gone. I miss seeing Misfit on the show I liked her up there.

[@legacy9867]

Fit was trash

[@ProdByBashP]

Same here bruh. I barely watch now.

[@elegantrenaissance]

Same, I don't watch. It was much better with Hynaken & Esso. And now, did he fall out with Bigga too?

[@kinggee5605]

I’m not sure if he fell out with Bigga, I may have to tune in to some newer episodes to see if he’s still on there

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@Queenofsole100]

Bag Fuel ⛽️ 💪🏾 😎

[@BigMac785]

🧢🧢🧢. BagFuel was around at least back to march 2021. Google is your friend.

[@slippinjimmy9052]

Sean bigga just left the show backing up everything esso and hynaken beem saying . So is mecca still on the show ?

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

all co hosts obviously leave this dude eventually he stops paying them cuz forget them n their families, all that money is HIS 🤣 shade ball MF 💯

[@Furbabiezzz]

I have anger issues and when I get frustrated I start to breathe and act just like Hoffa did when asked why he fired them…

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@torontoisnotchicago3775]

Math a narrcist snake plain and simple

[@LiquidScorpion]

People want to see you win but not do better than them. People, be independent, simple.

[@KtotheG]

Would you pay someone to go and start their own business and not receive an ROI? All major companies have conflict of interest contracts. They are standard business practice.

[@LiquidScorpion]

@@KtotheG 1000% true. That’s why you hire people who are comfortable with employment and are co-dependent on work, not entrepreneurs. I wouldn’t agree to such a deal in the first place because I’m entrepreneurial. Something like a podcast isn’t too big for anyone to do. I would watch and see what works and once I gather how tangible it is, I’d improve upon it along with doing my own research and studies on journalism. Perfecting it on my own and relying on my IQ. That’s why I say be independent, simple. There’s always people out there who are not comfortable with being independent.

[@KtotheG]

@@LiquidScorpion You need money in order to be independent and to start a business. That's why many people start out as employees. Apparently, those guys didn't have the funds to start a podcast until they came under Math. He had a right to let them go, because they started competing with him while on his payroll.

[@LiquidScorpion]

@@KtotheG You don’t need money to be “entrepreneurial.” Being an entrepreneur is a mindset first. You don’t need money to start a business, per se; depends on what business and the scale of it. Having a podcast is nothing more than just a room and lav mics w/ a decent Canon camera. Then build your audience slowly. Taking a small job to save money here and there is normal. Apparently Math was the one doing shady sh*t first by not paying them. Math said that he fired them because they held is equipment hostage, now he said they fired them because they started their own podcast. Math gave two different reasons, lol. Either way I can’t blame them for starting their own. I would’ve done the same; as an independent person that’s my lot in life. But it depends on what was agreed to in the first place which we don’t know.

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@Scambityfactsteam]

Math is the king of playing victim.. You 6’6 emotional never doing anything wrong.. Look at his history it’s never his fault when he explains it

[@deisle5006]

This is hilarious now that I just watched the bag fuel interview with Sean bigga 😂😂😂 he even said the revolt deal was real n he went to a meeting with math & it didn’t fall through bc math didn’t take the number revolt offered 🤔

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@ronnieg1341]

Rightttttt

[@RavieePlays]

to except them not to film their Pod (that they have already had) when youre not consistently paying is wild… everybody not lying on you Math

[@rjjohnson2]

There should be timestamps on Vlad video’s indicating when when the guest get to speak Example: 0:05 Vlad asks question 0:10 Guest starts to answer 0:15 Vlad shares similar experience/humble brags 6:00 Guest begins to answer original question 6:25 segment ends

[@zncuentertainment712]

Hahaha this is definitely needed on all Vlad vids.

[@QuanBerry]

Somebody is lying

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

It's definitely "Math" = he's so stupid he won't STFU = the more he talks the less consistent his story will be, just like how he's trying to help Bimmy get away with "snitching", yet Bimmy's story won't stay "consistent" because he's not telling the "truth"

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@mrjames851]

The first IG post from the Bag Fuel post, unedited, with Bag Fuel in the caption, is from 8/18/2018. The first youtube post from the Bag Fuel channel is from 12/9/2021. Tony Yayo interview dropped in 2022. Bag Fuel was there already

[@TheSPORTS504]

Vlad get guest on his show so he can tell them bout himself

[@yungstunna116th]

Math big 🧢🧢🧢🧢

[@King_Mac80]

"If you want to make a skateboarding show...I fully support you but you just can't use my equipment"- Vlad then you don't fully support them fam

[@richblackman770]

Show not the same without them

[@bookmarker7471]

Math...the math not mathin. You were not paying 💰 the guys Esso...Gone Hynaken...Gone Now..Sean Bigga ... Gone

[@meech5539]

Vlad 🗑 🚮 Math👏🏾

[@Mr-my8kx]

This dude sounds crazy, its a free country. People can work on what they want. You dont own them. Plus the biggest thing is he didnt pay them and bagfuel was already in motion.

[@appkeytechology]

Unless you sign a contract and already agree to it. If youre working for Apple, you damn sure will get your ass fired if youre caught moonlighting at Microsoft. Free country? Yeah, youre free to choose wherever you want to work or do. There is no law however thats says there will be no consequences for your actions. Thats the part where people quit listening. They hear Free Country, make your own choices. They dont hear the consequences part.

[@TSteele718]

Math is oblivious, his show isn't as good without them.

[@Viele411]

The dumb move from those guys is to not talk to Math about doing the show on his platform. Like PBD does with Adam “soy boy”. Loyalty is dead and people like myself are cut from an old man’s cloth. This world we live in sickens me.

[@soul2soul4]

@tiberiuszann7284 Makes sense, I guess that was left out

[@YetiCoolBrother]

​@tiberiuszann7284That's not stealing fool, he clearly stated they sign a contract when they became part of the show saying they wouldn't do another podcast while being hosts on his. If they wanted to have a seperate pod then don't be hosts be re-ocurring guests, that simple. That's basically how Vlad's whole operation functions.

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@masavoy0228]

​@@HotYella817yeah. Nigga was losing money looking out for math. He had no idea the type of money that pod was bringing in til that interview

[@BabyKobeeee]

You have no clue what your talking about, they tried to bring the show they had before math podcast onto math “network” and he laughed and said no

[@nwmi23]

Everyone can't preach being their own boss, and then get mad when the homies want to go and create their own business. If everyone is meant to be a boss, who's going to do the work?

[@richg4011]

Did you watch the video? lol. He said he even went to them like yo create that using my platform. They didnt want to. He clearly let it go on for a bit even when it was affecting the show and making him uncomfortable. All they had to do was be like yo we doing this over here, we wanna try and make iti work on our own and dip. Not try to have your cake and eat it too.

[@aboutmillions]

@@richg4011 If they used his platform they would own rights too it, smart move by them. Math was trying to control shit for no reason, let your homies eat & support that shit. Aint no competition.

[@richg4011]

@@aboutmillions You're assuming the worst for literally no reason. Did they ever say they wrote up a contract and math was like nah, I WANT OWNERSHIP OR F OFF? No, so chill. It is what it is. Dont know if its working out for them. Havent tuned in.

[@TheNumbasign2]

The boss. It just means your in charge and responsible. You don’t need to have employees to be boss. Just be responsible.

[@TheNumbasign2]

@@richg4011I never understood their rolls on the show till they left. They where a good addition. Their show is good but it’s not my expert opinion.

[@McKrownMasterclassKeys]

Obviously they were jelous of him creating his own shit and they were just part of it. Fact.

[@XavierMartinOKC]

3:03 To say he can’t use your equipment to further advance their career is cringe worthy. As their boss why would you not want them to prosper by lending equipment to your employee?

[@KtotheG]

It's a liability issue. So you're the type who feels that employees should be partners without engaging in the same risks and putting up the same capital? That's not how business is conducted.

[@6iX61RL]

And this is exactly why the show hasn’t been the same 😩 i respect whatever issue they had but damn who supposed to replace them? the chemistry with everyone was perfect

[@Kshinelawyer]

Math dont pay nobody xcept for the camera man is the real reason. Not sure how thats going to work in reality. But....salute to math

[@eckenpierre-louis8997]

I don't believe Math at all. All your key people left the show.. Hmmm…

[@spitfire0781]

Show was called his expert opinion Math wanted to be the only voice but he wanted co host

[@jasonproctor9896]

It's because people wanna just put themselves on. They will act like they're down and they're your friends but in reality they're just trying to make sure they succeed and that's it.

[@jackjill8129]

Pretty much. Most people are out for self. That's the way of the world

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@Mr-my8kx]

He didnt pay them tho

[@robbase275]

Math is a greedy dude and don’t want to help others eat…

[@robbase275]

What happened with Bigga math? fuck outa here n;gg&

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@bmillersince92]

The work was done math you got your views and subs let your man’s go out and get there own money, math owns his platform he ain’t worried about is his money gonna be good he mad because he’s guys wanted to make money without having to ask him for a handout.?

[@Real-cf1ps]

Vlad always try to be Mr me too he know damn well that didn't happen to him 😆🤣😂

[@DutchWeazel]

Man of god was sitting with Esso and Hynaken, guess he's out too.

[@edkbmr1]

Math telling so many lies on here. Completely selfish

[@thecardbunker801]

You know whats funneh, Mecca gonna leave too

[@Stallionboss003]

Math Hoffa isn’t a business man. He doesn’t pay his people. You can’t expect loyalty and not pay your people.

[@ducklife420]

Their show fizzled out so fast after Math fired them. They had Cormega on and didn't utilize the situation.

[@brooklynzoo1838]

The crazy shit is Esso and hynaken worked for labels and got my industry pull!!!

[@ducklife420]

@@brooklynzoo1838 Esso has a bad rap around the industry

[@MaadAzzGang]

Why?@@ducklife420

[@fuhyou3223]

How does Math have a “platform” for these other dudes to use when he’s just streaming his shit on KZbin like everyone else? According to Esso everytime they were on the show they promoted BagFuel. I kinda liked Esso but Hynaken wasn’t needed on the show in my expert opinion. Math got his side along with things he’s not saying and it’s the same thing for the BagFuelers. At the end of the day who even cares at this point? It’s not like these dudes are gonna do a video hashing out their grievances.

[@appkeytechology]

???? If you have a business then you have licensing and contracts. That creates the platform. If youre just joe blow filming and uploading without the KZbin Partnership then there is no Platform. If you are a KZbin partner then you have a platform, period. Like i said, any jack leg can upload videos to youtube. It doesnt mean he has a platform.

[@jessicah6572]

This is why we go to college or take a couple of business courses. Learn about BUSINESS before you do business. Unless they're your EMPLOYEES they can do WTF they want. NO CONTRACT, NO OWNERSHIP, if you not PAYING their TAXES, they not your EMPLOYYEES.

[@Solnobilis]

This the exact opposite of their story.

[@scoopmega637]

Esso got real arrogant he had to go .... when ego gets bigger than the character

[@Reddslim]

1. They had bag fuel before they went to MEO 2. They offered bag fuel to Math to put on his platform and he didn’t want it. Unfortunate because MEO was at its best with that cast… smh

[@desmondbakerpoetry4283]

Keep it going Math! Battle rap we here!!!

[@slippinjimmy9052]

But they allready had bagfuel ?

[@jokesonyoumyguy5086]

Math, Mecca, and Champ are the best formula if you ask me. Bigga didn’t speak much but his perspective on things as an elder was dope to me. It made sense with the whole barbershop formula to have the older guy in the cut. Every barbershop has that older guy that’s been cutting hair forever. Sure Math can run the show by himself and I would still watch no doubt, but in my opinion, with the barbershop formula, it just feels better when the chairs are full. Having new people every show would be dope as well. That would work in the barbershop and give it that feel as well. I have a feeling that the show is either about to go to that next level, or it’s about to fall apart. I honestly don’t know which way it’s going to go but I believe either way up or way down for sure.

[@antwonlatimer4146]

Delete this

[@jah-acetv]

HE'S NOT KEEPING IT 1,000. THEY WASNT GETTING PROPERLY COMPENSATED AND IF THEY WAS MATH NEED TO SHOW RECEIPTS.

[@40AvALoN]

not shady. ITS BUSINESS. YOU HAVE CHANCE TO START YOUR OWN YOU ARE A .... TO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE PEOPLE GOT BILLS WORLD iS EXPENSIVE SORRY MATH BUT I UNDERSTAND JUMPING SHIP. NO HARD FEELINGS.

[@smthedon191]

IS BIGGA STILL ON THE SHOW?

[@eatassonthefirstdate]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@FOREIGNBOYLOUIEONE3]

Bag Fuel ⛽.was up before thy work with Math 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@HotYella817]

he's lying bro he wasn't paying them. That's why the camera man left too. and he has screen shot proof math refused to pay him. AND NO THE OLD DUDE SEAN BIGGA QUIT. HE WAS ON BAG FUEL 2 DAYS AGO. CAN U GUESS WHY HE QUIT? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@OfficialRocLauren]

Lol math lying like a mf literally used to promote bag fuel in the intros and I used to be like df is that ? An Energy drink ?

[@757-David]

How about you let the guest talk more then you Mr Ego

[@djsauce4498]

I can sort of relate to this in a different way. I had a nice little weed operation going with about 9 people under me. The whole point of me putting other people in position was the fact I had too many customers to handle. So I sent my customers to my employees and I hadled the bigger transactions but then some of the people I put on started giving out their number to my customers and started getting their weed from someone else and I had to cut them off. Like nah thats not how this shit works. I put you in position to move my product not yours. If you want to be in my position that's fine but not at the expense of me losing my clientele, people wouldnt even have known you existed if it wasnt for me. Its sort of the same thing with this situation. I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

[@BrooklynBoyR60]

I had the exact same situation.

[@MRB1199]

​@@BrooklynBoyR60 I'm in the x come f wit me !

[@MRB1199]

Where you paying them properly?

[@djsauce4498]

@@MRB1199 I was probably paying them too well. I made sure everyone was happy so I wouldn't have those problems but you know how it is with niggas. They don't know how to play they position. Always want to be the boss.

[@TrizBlanko]

FBI has entered the Chat , check outside quick see me in the driveway ?

[@keithjohnson765]

Hynaken, essos, knowledge, goodz, hollow, China mac, tsu surf, dizaster, dose, serious jones, mook, Charlie clips, head ice, taxstone...just a short list of everyone dude has had some kind of issue with.