Vocal Mixing MASTERCLASS: 3 A-List engineers, 3 genres. F. Reid Shippen, Joe Carrell and Bob Horn

[@Producelikeapro]

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[@Anders01]

Interesting with so many plugins on the vocals. I will try some of that to make the vocals fuller.

[@Producelikeapro]

Yes, everyone has not only their own approach but also the density of the mix requires a different approach for each production@@Anders01

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[@TNT-km2eg]

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[@Producelikeapro]

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[@gaganbakana]

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[@Joey-rp5vg]

Man that was fantastic. Great insight. Thanks very much guys and thanks to the PLAP team for putting everything together

[@Producelikeapro]

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[@timjonesguitar]

Great video Warren, thank you for sharing with us. I have learned so much about recording and mixing from watching this channel for the past 5 years. The quality of my music has dramatically improved! I am eternally thankful for Warren!

[@Producelikeapro]

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[@thomasboyerGBSRecords]

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[@Producelikeapro]

Our pleasure! Thanks ever so much for sharing Thomas!

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[@antcall6779]

Great as always!🤘

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[@hv3485]

28:44 vocal makes me think of Come and get Your Love from Redbone

[@tskolits]

Great video! Thanks!

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[@p.m-audio]

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[@mariomaslik]

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[@splashesin8]

28:00 😊

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[@NickLAnderson]

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[@agondistortion]

Joe a felt the tension of Klanghelm on my teeth 😅

[@Producelikeapro]

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[@larrycavallucci3258]

The phrase KISS comes to mind, none of which I saw out of these guys. Hey, they are successful so who's to criticize them? But I like to try to keep things a bit simpler. I have seen other YT's by Joe and have liked those.

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Larry, indeed it's all genre based! A vocal over an acoustic guitar is completely different kettle of fish than a vocal over a hard hitting Pop track for instance! Many thanks, Warren

[@KellyDavidMusic]

When I watch this video, my first thought is that modern mixers are often using waaaay to many plugins. I am rather old school when it comes to recording and mixing. I have always believed that when we record something, it's all about capturing a great performence with good fidelity. And when we mix, it's primarily about retaining fidelity, achieving good balance, clarity, seperation and stereo field placement. Plugins are all well and fine and somewhat necessary, however along with the function of the plugin, we can get digital artifacts, aliasing and all sorts of other interuptions and degredations to the quality of the basic recorded track. If the performance has dirt, distortion and character from the source, that should be comitted to the recorded track as it is, with the best accuracy possible. Adding extensive processing in the mix, is very questionable in my mind. Modern mixes often sound incredibly processed and almost artificial. I always ask myself "is this plugin necessary?" After all, the main objective should be to capture a great performance. For vocals, I think that beyond minimal compression, eq, de-ess and the right reverb, we should always be cautious about what we are adding. Personally, I can't imagine having 14 plugins on a vocal.

[@RocketshipmusicXX]

I couldn't agree more. Waaaay too much compression on these tracks; it's a shame to take someone's one-of-a-kind voice and process it to oblivion with machines.

[@s10wd0wn]

I think it depends on a few things… in this video the mix engineer has either been asked or encouraged to make some extra creative moves, adding things like a little auto tune and the dirty textured wide parallel processing. These are like production elements to me, and there’s a lot of crossover with things you might typically do at the recording/producing phase in this kind of mix work. And you could commit those too and then mix from there. It’s a production processing chain as well as a mixing processing chain rolled in to one. Plug ins can do things hardware can’t at this point, so to me it’s almost like a creative recording chain introduced at a later stage. I also think it’s genre or intended target audience specific. Modern music, for good or for bad, has a processed sound, generally speaking. At least in the genre of this song. It’s expected, by the labels, by the listeners. It sounds really cool when done right. Personally, I’m way more into recording and mixing the way you described in your comment. But I find this level of detail and creative decision making equally interesting and valuable. And finally, as mentioned, it came to the mix engineer with processing on, but not committed, to give the mixer a chance to improve on what was sent using the nicely recorded raw vocal takes. And so he’s experimented with his own techniques plus the included ones and ended up with a big old chain! I’m all for simplicity but sometimes you just can’t achieve what you want without a complex chain.

[@KellyDavidMusic]

@@s10wd0wn I agree with your comments. There are times when a variety of plugins are needed to achieve an expected result. Some good examples are electronic pop or film and video game music. The point I was trying to make about plugins is that anyone can get carried away and drift off track from what is most important. I certainly wouldn't have a mix template that has 14 plugins on the vocal. I would start with the bare essentials and cautiously add plugins from there. We all want great recordings, but at the end of the day the performance is still more important than the recording. This video was great as it focused on all sorts of situations that we might encounter and how to deal with them. If our recordings are carefully planned we probably won't require much "Fix it in the mix".

[@Producelikeapro]

It's ALL genre dependent and also most importantly what the desired result is!

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Kelly, indeed, if a song is open, with significantly less production elements etc then the less is more approach will work wonders!

[@aeiplanner]

Shippen is the only one that's showing something useful. Carell is just testing a bunch of theories.

[@7MOONS2023]

What is going on here ?😂That’s a loads of plug-in for one vocals chain 🤣.. lol only EQ compressor should be fine if the performance it’s great ..

[@Paulnap]

That's the point. There is no performance. A person talking to an autotune is just a synth line with a human voice as sound source.

[@RocketshipmusicXX]

Sometimes I think the gear and plugin fetishization gets in the way of just making records. As well, to a client everything they're saying they're doing, all the little tweaks, etc., might seem impressive or "next-level" or something.

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi @7MOONS2023It's ALL genre based! If you're mixing a very dense track, an EDM, Pop or Metal track you'd take a completely different approach than mixing a live Jazz, Folk or even classic Rock song. We like t show all kinds of genres. I assume you've never watched the channel before? You'll see we cover every genre and technique. Many thanks

[@Producelikeapro]

All about the genre!@@Paulnap Please check out many more of our videos! We have every genre covered!

[@davidasher22]

Idk man.. What part do you find excessive? All these guys are doing really is EQing, saturating and compressing. The parallel channel on that first vocal was sound design. Everything else is basic stuff.

[@trollkilla7681]

nonsense.