JOHN BRZENK ARM WRESTLING GOAT

JOHN BRZENK ARM WRESTLING GOAT
Explore the legendary arm wrestling career of John Brzenk, widely regarded as the greatest arm wrestler in the world. Known as the 'The Perfect Storm,' John Brzenk incredible journey and unmatched achievements have solidified his status as a true arm wrestling icon. Join us as we delve into the extraordinary life and accomplishments of the arm wrestling legend, John Brzenk.
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[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Lets make JOHN GO VIRAL! LIKE, SHARE, COMMENT! More on JOHN: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHq7dH1vrt57gLc

[@vasile-raducasleanu7495]

He deserves more, lets go!

[@Alienspecies635]

Or even school boy? Come on now that's a far far far far far X another 100 far reach. School boy doesn't stand a chance.

[@livinginthisgalaxy7961]

AWESOME video!

[@bigdan9850]

@@Alienspecies635 y Yes! Exactly! Hence, why he pointed How clueless new fans to the sport are!!

[@gruffydd1000]

He is already viral and doesn't need it. YOU DO YOU PARASITE.

[@badasscruise5353]

"Where you going buddy" John Brzenk GOAT

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Best quote ever :D

[@olufboy]

Todd: " You can't pin me !! " John: " Ref, hold my beer! " 🤣🤣

[@kartiktomar7882]

Todd: Under the table😂😂😂

Todd is the worst I’ve ever seen.

[@playerratedr401]

That was the perfect saying that was instantly backed up by a pin that pulled his ass out from under the table

[@fyte4luv808]

Question: how many world titles did you win in your career? John: Yes

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

:D :)

[@davidc7656]

That’s a stupid answer “ yes” Say a number of years and show you are smart not copying the new gen 🙄🙄

[@wrestlingjudoms1302]

The craziest thing about this is the fact that John was not even a heavyweight. He was actually a true middleweight.

[@jetfu400]

yes. it's crazy that a middle weight john crushed even the heavyweight division. truly a legend. i can't imagine anyone replicating what john did in the middleweight division.

[@hoyt_arms]

John is alot bigger than most people think he is

[@tommulders]

Especially his thumb..

[@wrestlingjudoms1302]

@@hoyt_arms Yes I know he's not as small as people assume. But his weight had always been between 95 to 95Kg+. I don't believe he ever really hit the superheavy weight size such 110kg+.

[@johngalt6838]

@@hoyt_arms He's big...but c'mon. The only guy who slays superweights. They outweigh him by 200 lbs.

[@dreaminglifepodcast]

His defeat of the Michael Todd King’s Move is pure beauty.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

He did it better than anyone

[@harlock321]

Yup he just straight up powered through that shit like it was nothing. Pure savage

[@Blk9698]

If Devon larrat had better hand strength I think that's what he would do to todd everytime

[@paulovprebello]

@@Blk9698 He finally did it to Todd

[@Blk9698]

@@paulovprebello wow ur right that comment aged extremely well

[@damienwhitfield2423]

Devon Larratt was the man who got me interested in watching armwrestling, then i discovered School Boy and his brother and many others after them. I did find out about John Brzenk about a month ago, and i can now understand why he is very respected by other arm wrestlers. It is great that you made this video and uploaded it to KZbin, as many people probably don't know this man and his accomplishments to earn him the title of being the G.O.A.T of arm wrestling.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

This comment is exactly why I made the video. You can see the guys who are popular but you need to see the most accomplished also.

[@AussieArmWrestler]

Well said mate

[@jamesharris6657]

A lot or arm wrestling is study and learn I my opinion and definitely study’s and learn John and his ways at the table an Anythitng he said is gold there’s a one minute video of him showing all the styles on table and I probably have watched it 1000 times

[@jdj2022]

I still believe Devon is the GOAT. It’s hard to compare eras though. Devon has won right and left though. I don’t think you can call John the greatest over a guy like Devon when John can’t win left handed.

[@bultronlagore2095]

NorthGate Josh DeJong 29 Palms Your an idiot. Devon will tell you John is the GOAT and damn near every other Professional Arm Wrestler across the world will say the same. I’d say that trumps your ignorant opinion that makes no logical sense. Did you completely ignore his accomplishments in this video? Did you completely ignore how long he stayed on top of the arm wrestling world for? I like Devon too but he will never come close to accomplishing what John did and he knows that. That why Devon and most all Professional Arm Wrestlers consider John as the GOAT. They know much more about this sport than you.

[@aethertech]

Best armwrestlers of all time: 1. John's arm. 2. John's other arm. 3. Power leveraging Michael Tod up from under the table after asking him "WHERE YOU GOIN BUDDY?"

[@dakedakinson64]

John's left wasnt that impressive.

[@JMSONE]

Aside from that John is one of the kindest guys out there. Real easy to talk too. Wish him good health and many more years in the sport!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Lets hope to see John in a great shape for 2021

[@stevenphillips6127]

Todd stood up real quick when he realized John was gonna hyperextend that elbow.

[@fellowsgary2]

This is unbelievable how John can beat much bigger guys his bone density and tendons must be superhuman strong to do this

[@ericritter4719]

And just imagine...there is not all that much footage of John when he was younger and dominating for the first 20 yrs or so. Now we can see every regional tournament, much less the big ones. Seeing John dominate the Zloty and all those monsters from 2006-09, he was doing that for 20 yrs before that even more so.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

That is true, so much of the footage and great battles we will never see.

[@LeahRobb]

@@voiceofarmwrestling Who knows. Interest in John is growing and perhaps old vhs videos will be dusted off and uploaded. I hope so :D

[@willstuart4504]

Great video💪💪 I just saw John Brzenk grip up against Cory West, 412lbs of Cory West 😮 the Texas champion and absolute BEAST, and as Crazy as most Brzenk's matches are ... he brought the big man completely over to his side and nearly had the pin before inevitably running outta gas. The Goat is approaching his 60's soon and has no business being in a Fight with someone as big and strong as Cory West is.... But like everything this guy has done in Arm Wrestling, he never fails to shock and impress with his raw and unmatched abilities. He is the GOAT.💪👍👍

[@jamesashton2291]

I love him because every victories of his were never done in any cheating ways like being under the table.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thats John

[@mikkosercado]

Yes, he stayed pure with armwrestlimg

[@vatankumarattri392]

That is just bending the rules, maybe deceptive but not cheating

[@Akash-hu3vb]

@@vatankumarattri392 Lol bs it's like committing a crime and not get caught because the law demands evidence. No glory in that.

[@stevethea5250]

@@mikkosercado what under tabke?

[@Fox8ball.]

And he's still strong as f

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

yes he is

[@AussieArmWrestler]

Absolute beast 💪🏻

[@haagenneldeberg6787]

@Weghweh Hwewehwhe In his own weight class light heavyweight he is still among some of the best.

[@BLACKLACDTS]

Roids

[@haagenneldeberg6787]

@@BLACKLACDTS well, good luck with your steroids.

[@bluesky-ud9wg]

Johns record will never be beaten. Once in life an athlete comes along that is the absolute best, John is and will always be the best Puller ever...

[@u.s.cowboy3052]

Nice little documentary on John. These are all facts. He is the greatest of all time . By the way I am the photographer that took that thumbnail photo of John It was awesome to photograph the best Arm wrestler in the world in Vegas. Good times

[@haagenneldeberg6787]

That's a great photo. I see it everywhere.

[@GTIngold]

Crazy to think most Americans are clueless to who he is. But they know Woods, Tyson, Jordan, etc. Not even close to John. And when you bring it up they are dumbfounded by the lack of awareness of it.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

If arm wrestling would be main stream he would be right there with everyone.

[@johnjohntv1195]

Most people don’t even know arm wrestling is a real sport.

[@j.r.5803]

@@voiceofarmwrestling Laratt and Schoolboy are trying to making it mainstream. They gathering bodybuilders, mechanics, youtubers, etc, to make it mainstream. It is working, same is going with boxing, thats why tyson is more famous than ever, hollywood/tv and youtube media made boxing bigger than it was. KZbin even made sports as ear pulling and slapping being noticed.

[@GTIngold]

@@j.r.5803 i agree but schoolboy is really not that great its more hype imo. Larrett is doing great work. But what we need is not these new people. They bring with them the sports mentality of the things they used to watch. Like if their team/armwrestler loses they are pissed and shit on the other guy. For me i have favorites but am not at all bothered by them losing.

[@anthonyhaines496]

Why would they know who he his? Arm wrestling viewership isn’t even in the same galaxy as those other sports.

[@LiveFreeOrRIP]

The Michael Jordan of Pulling. Nobody can ever replace JB. He was the best of the best for 30+ years... That will NEVER happen again.

[@hoyt_arms]

Tiger Woods would be a better comparison. A guys in the in the game of basketball put up better numbers than Jordan and alot of Jordans feats can be duplicated and aren't something that can never be done again . Unlike John there is some things he done that will NEVER be done again in the history of humanity. 25 years streak of pure dominance

[@jasonwiggins6137]

@@hoyt_arms Jack Nicklaus has more Majors than Tiger Woods.

[@BarryLMH]

@@jasonwiggins6137 i am goat in this planet

[@KG-th3cr]

I wish more people knew about John. There is no other athlete that has been at the top of the game for as long as he has. His greatness is only surpassed by his character. Truly the champion of champions.

[@_munkykok_]

He's good, but is he as good as MUNKYKOK??

[@KG-th3cr]

@@_munkykok_ Who?

[@MrUltimatenrg]

True legend. Hunting other greats throughout the world and coming out victorious. There's a living legend!

[@Ray_Charles]

Ray, I know you said you hate your voice, but I love it, it's the voice of armwrestling 💪

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thanks, lot of good feedback. I guess its ok :)

[@bwink23]

To me....it's John's complete decades long dominance in the middleweight division, with the ability to step up beat the heavier and stronger armwrestlers without putting extra weight on himself. He literally was Jack the Giant Killer.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thats right one of many reasons why hi is the GOAT

[@IgneusBeats]

Holy f. Why am I seeing this video JUST NOW?!?!? THANK YOU

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

You are very welcome!

[@hunter-js9zc]

Ive only been into arm wrestling for 6 months and i know john brzenk is the best

[@palkopinter]

HUGE YES !

[@TitoMolina604]

Wonderful tribute.

[@haagenneldeberg6787]

And he's just such a good guy on top of that. And very humble, almost even frustratingly humble at times. 😄

[@clash5j]

I think that's the reason that Devon smack talks everyone except John. Part of it is respect, but it's just sorta a unspoken rule...don't talk trash to John. Also, Devon's head games would not work on John, but probably motivate him more.

[@Frankyouknow]

Can we just appreciate he's 57 and still kicking ass.

[@AMF96]

He absolutely is! I was at his most recent tournament in Utah and he was dominating everyone right arm and took only a few losses left arm! Brzenk = GOAT!💪

[@Frankyouknow]

@@AMF96 Cool 😎

[@alcohol649]

Man i remember the 1st time i got interest in arm wrestling. it was a video of ion oncescu vs a bodybuilder. i was amazed on how oncescu strength and technique (wasn't aware of this one yet) easily defeated the bodybuilder then searched up for his arm wrestling matches if he had one and then i came across ion oncescu vs john brzenk. after watching the match i was like "holy shit. i thought he is the strongest (ion oncescu)" Had no idea that time i was watching ion getting owned by the GOAT

[@phanimavuri6572]

Wonderful video man.. Tribute to great puller of all time👍

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank you very much!

[@Zenzuu]

John Brzenk is an absolute living legend. Sure he's lost matches, but the man has cemented his status dominating the sport for over 20+ years beating guys who are much bigger and stronger than he was. He literally pulled everywhere around the world. No arm wrestler could match his legacy. John is simply the GOAT. Even now at his age John is still a beast. 💪

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Yes he is. :):):)

[@AussieArmWrestler]

Absolutely

[@alden2826]

ray this video was amazing.. real high quality work, i can tell how much effort was put into this.. great job man

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Legend! It might have been the most difficult video I have ever done.

[@alden2826]

@@voiceofarmwrestling well quality > quantity my friend. Please do more of these, much love

[@Mad_Martigen]

Chuck Norris challenged John to an arm wrestling match. He regretted it.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

:D true story

[@michaelr.4878]

I heard a rumor that Ryan Bowen defeated Mr. Chuck Norris is not only an armwrestling match, but also in a fight. A fight to the death. That is why there haven't been any current day, up to date photos of Norris. Both the match and the fight took place in December of 2019. Frank Dux of 'Bloodsport' fame was the referee and set the whole thing up. The event was called was a co-promotion between Dux and Pound 4 Pound Arm Wrastlin'. An armwrestling kumite. It was top secret. So like Frank Dux's background, don't even bother trying to find info, as you won't find it. They ate Chuck Norris after Ryan put him out of his misery. No evidence.

[@koolburn5218]

Lmao I can't believe Chuck Norris jokes are still a thing. It still made me laugh though

[@stephentemple5617]

Ghost sit around the fire telling stories about Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris sit around the fire telling stories about John brzenk

[@Va4esS]

I was brought to the beauty of this sport because of Devon Larratt, particularly his win over the great Pushkar /may his soul rest in peace/ on the left hand. Somehow I always knew John was the best, maybe I took a glimpse of him watching over the TOP. Devon sparked me for the sport, he dominated for s period of the time on both hands. The G.O.A.T however is only one - Brzenk, like in many other sports, he is one of a kind

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

:)

[@eclipsesolar8345]

I never discuss " who is the best arm wrestler ever". I only discuss who is the 2nd best arm wrestler ever, and so on.. The Nº1 spot is not a discussion.

[@Mr_Jingles_147]

The other thing about John is that he never swerved anyone. He pulled, and beat a prime Cleve Dean when Cleve was north of 450lb. John does a live chat most Monday nights, talking about the old days but also current match ups, techniques, practice etc.

[@zbulmer]

The best thing about John, other than him being the G.O.A.T., is he's not loud or flashy or has a huge ego. He's a fairly humble man and that makes it easy to root for him.

[@CutandShoot5x5]

Outstanding video. I’ve always admired the man, the myth, the legend but this power packed vid shows us the respect John earned from his fellow athletes! 💪

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You

[@CutandShoot5x5]

Voice of Armwrestling you’re welcome!

[@dphillips1993]

Great video, I agree 100%, thanks for sharing.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thanks for watching!

[@shrt64]

Perfect commentary! He lives and active and yet achived a level what is usually recognized after the person died. For me He is the godfather of the armwrestling family. No matter what mood I am, watching him brings me to a state where I can get focus and power to struggle all difficulties in every part of my life. Thank you for the creator and the legend himself! :)

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You brother :)

[@camlcase]

Goosebumps listening to this 👏

[@johndehaan2764]

It is simply unbelievable how much power he leveraged from the very fabric of his Soul. John is one of the most inspirational sports persons in history.

[@johnnixon1026]

this is why your name fits... Voice of Armwrestling... your content is unmatched! you could not have made a better video about John! i can not wait to see the next one about him! love how you guys decided to present his accomplishments first and then his technique... so where is the video on Technical skills! the people need to know!!!! lol!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thanks, trying to bring best info we can!

[@timothylarson104]

This is a great video done by coach Ray, love arm wrestling I know I do, I have watched most of these competitions 💪💪

[@jeffreylavergne3090]

"John isn't the best armwrestler , HE IS ARMWRESTLING !!

[@billf9526]

Very well done. Congrats on a great video. Enjoyed watching very much.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You so much!

[@MelbourneMaster]

Powerful video! This video needed to be made so bad, especially in this time, where there are so much confusion amongst the new generation. A history lesson was in its place.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thats exactly why we did it!

[@johnnixon1026]

i completely agree... it drives me insane watching todays "great" pullers give their top 5 all time pullers and they don't even mention John! many of them he crushed!

[@usmanrajput5211]

gr8 video brother. nice to c some1 appreciate the worthy. 💪🏻

[@cohobow]

Always looking for new John content and this is one of the best I've seen. A Man that stood against giants.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Lets hope to see him in full steam in 2021

[@CossyMango]

This is a very much needed video for a lot of new folks.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

That was the plan

[@Alex-1750]

Yes indeed..& especially from a channel with “huge” audience like VOA

[@quiet216]

Alex 1750 lol

[@stevejanowiak1982]

Really love the effort you put into explaining the greatness of John!! Excellent video!!! Thank you for posting! 💪

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

My pleasure! Thank You!

[@unclequack5445]

He humiliated guys twice his size The legend the best the GOAT.

[@P.Subaeruginosa]

During his prime his nickname made total sense, his opponents look like they're arm is caught in factory machinery and they're just struggling to hold it still until someone presses the emergency stop button

[@bestrong1240]

wow what a stud! thanks for sharing this with us!!!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Glad u enjoyed it :)

[@pinkypete6079]

Really enjoyed that thank you for making it

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@K-Whateverr]

I watch arm wrestling since 2014 and brzenk is still the number 1 for me ever since

[@ShaneMacKinnon86]

Seriously well done video! 👏

[@andrewmiller9013]

Well done video

[@seanfagan6727]

Easily the best. Longest, most dominant reign of any arm wrestler. The massive beasts he beat at his much lighter bodyweight is amazing.

[@justjohn54]

All true, watched John grow up in Mchenry Illinois armwresing at his dads bowling alley.

[@literallyshaking8019]

The one thing that’s awesome is that with the advent of the internet and sites like KZbin, you can clearly see the explosion in popularity of armwrestling. Back in the day it was something you would stumble across at 3am on ESPN2 and then you would never see it again. But, with charismatic ambassadors like Devon Larratt and Larry Wheels, and fitness/bodybuilder crossovers introducing more people to the sport (alone with a little help from the algorithm) it’s finally giving John his due. I’m sure many others have had a similar experience to me: Mindlessly scrolling thru KZbin and get suggested an armwrestling video (for many it was when Devon beat “The Mountain”). Get your interest peaked and go down the rabbit hole of vids in the suggested bar, and 2 hours later you inevitably google “who is the greatest arm wrestler of all time” and only one name ever comes up unanimously: John Brzenk. 30 years of dominance in any athletic pursuit is astonishing, let alone unheard of, and yet he did it... The more eyes the sport gets on it, the more John’s legend grows, it couldn’t happen to a better, more deserving ambassador.

[@TimmyTurner421]

Yup! John Brzenk is the G.O.A.T. !! 🙌

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Yes he is!!!

[@donone352]

Denis beats him everytime

[@TimmyTurner421]

@@donone352 You must be new. Brzenk beat Denis many times.

[@donone352]

@@TimmyTurner421 In the beginning he beat Denis when denis was new to the game, but Denis destroyed him afterwards

[@TimmyTurner421]

@@donone352 Denis only beat Brzenk when he already was on the downslide. Denis never beat prime Brzenk

[@MayankSingh-cd8xf]

This video was very amazing . Your hard work paid..

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank you so much 😀

[@augustinhamza303]

nice work!

[@john-living-life1217]

Great tribute...John IS arm wrestling

[@damianhSlayer]

There is noone close second.That tells you a lot.GOAT and not even close.

[@staticx1324]

Perfect, I would really love to see a video that all famous arm wrestlers share their opinions on John.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

For future

[@johnnixon1026]

@@voiceofarmwrestling yes!

[@aaronrus]

I really enjoyed this mini documentary Ray. Good job.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You :)))

[@lw4164]

Fantastic video. Best John B video period! Well done!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You so much, much appreciated.

[@albertsmith792]

Great video! Thank you for glorifying such an ambassador to the sport of armwrestling.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Our pleasure!

[@siddharthpandey3783]

The most perfect arm wrestler I have ever seen! ❤️ Truly GOAT !

[@landonjones676]

He truly is and should be considered the greatest of all time, period. I like Devon but even with all of Devon’s trash talk in their last match, John is The Godfather of armwrestling.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Its not considered.

[@Jeff-qi1hb]

Man.. please please PLEASE do more videos like this on the history of the greats and talk over each one and explain their back story and their successes! There is no other educational arm wrestling videos that would compare!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

More are to come, stay tuned!

[@spike-zs7vz]

Great Ray...and IT IS so beautyfull to watch him armwrestle...perfect Style...Thanks for this Video and Thanks John for teaching us in every Video.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You, enjoy!

[@TimmyTurner421]

Yes everything John does at the table looks very smooth and controlled

[@philiplevins6702]

'THE' Main Man....excellent video bro

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

You already know!

[@Hammmmyy]

Dang Coach Ray, nicely done! Great video essay on the G.O.A.T!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank Ham!

[@kevipurielhoungu8313]

Johns hand form and hold is the most beautiful show of strength

[@ARMWRESTLINGWORLD]

Great Video👍

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You

[@edwardcramer9497]

John is the greatest of all time,pound for pound champ 🏆,a legend,I mirror my pulling of him

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

❤️👊🏼

[@Agresiel]

EXCELLENT video, very well put together. Undeniable, objective facts!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You means a lot!

[@Thelgren00]

Great work Ray 😎💪

[@frankpierce7729]

Fantastic video

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You. Glad u enjoyed it. ;)

[@michaelolstad7192]

Mad respect!

[@avisionofsorrow]

Never followed pro arm wrestling until I saw Devon on Juji's channel [I did love that Stallone movie back in the day though], now I love it and my god, John Brzenk is fucking awesome.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thats awesome :)))

[@petergushtyuk]

Best videos and editing . nice work

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You, John deserves it.

[@Bauer2sPro]

Pound for pound he’s the best of ANY sports

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

He very well might be.

[@DARK24-7]

I can't argue with Mr.John Brzenk!!!He is the GOAT!!!

[@eddfanning]

Great vid!!!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You!

[@richardjennex6583]

Good afternoon my friend hope you are doing well today and I just found this video wow what an amazing job you did for John

[@chutoparadinni5474]

Can't believe it's even debatable! Been in the game since the late 70's, He's the greatest ever!!

[@thejasg701]

Superb inspirational video 💯💯💯🔥👍

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Glad you liked it

[@abelflores3752]

Great video!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You, happy you enjoyed it.

[@joewellfair8238]

Really great video!

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank you!

[@AussieArmWrestler]

Fantastic - great video

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@steffe689]

John Brzenk is the ultimate GOAT

[@jamesharris6657]

Very very well done coach ray the speaking and narrating you was on point and the video shows mad respect to John which he is deserving off. Btw you guys got a huge team Latvia fan down in the south of Georgia in USA

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thank You so much buddy. As soon as we a cleared to travel will get to USA!

[@ThePoxo123]

Excelent video you covered almost all of it. There is no one like him and well looks like I won’t see another one like him for the rest of my life

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

Thats why he is the GOAT

[@Eric-en9hk]

There is no debate. John Brzenk is the king of the table.

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

there is no debate.

[@connormatthews522]

Trying out different video formats Ray? Love it mate, will you be making more like this? Good videos to teach newcomers to sport

[@voiceofarmwrestling]

That's the plan!

[@AussieArmWrestler]

100%

[@johndehaan2764]

excellent analysis