Volkswagen Forgot To Update The Brand New ID.3 Facelift!

[@jarjarbinx79]

Chris and Kyle, are two of the key folks why I got an ID4

[@abraxastulammo9940]

At least it was not the E for Electric fake russian guy 😅

[@V10PDTDI]

Thanks for giving Chris’s Chanel some love

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

get to see you and Chris together. Both are great supporters of the EV community and I watch both of your's content frequently. Thx for the vid. I enjoyed watching.

[@BLCBob]

Chris" review was one of the reasons I bought the ID3. Into my 3rd year of ownership now, and couldn't be happier.

[@laatu1234]

Thanks for meeting with one of my favourite EV- experts in KZbin 🇫🇮👍. Chris sure is great guy and surely knows alot about EVs 👍👍👍

[@TheProjectOverload]

I love this interview - Between Out of Spec and Battery Life, you have all the VW ID products covered. Thank you for sharing - Both your channels are awesome. 😎

[@JohnyForElectric]

My two favorite EV experts in one video? Your are kidding - how better it could be? :) Thank you both, Kyle and Chris. Hope VW listens. I sometime feel they DON'T...

[@stevenewbery5373]

Great to see Chris ftom BL on the Chanel with Walter....🎉🎉

[@electric-rideshare]

Chris is awesome, love the attitude as well. People complain about the smallest things .

[@e-redj]

🎉 Glad to see 2 of my preferred KZbinrs doing a collab. 🎉

[@MarioDallaRiva]

Chriiiss! You lucky dog, you got to meet Alyssa! And Kyle too, of course 😎 Thanks, guys. It would be nice to have the ID.3 in N. America.

[@louishiggins8881]

I've been watching Chris (Battery Life) since the early days of the ID3 - he does 'in depth' reviews rather than just regurgitating the press release, well worth checking out 😁. I looked at an ID3, but thought nah, the interior looked cheap (for £36k at the time), and the exterior colours were not great. So eventually, I went with a Cupra Born, looks good (inside and out), and drives really well - very pleased with it. VW as a group make really good, if slightly expensive cars (driven 'GTIs' for nearly 25 years) - software it seems not so much 😂. I hope VW watch this video and take heed - or else they will find themselves in real trouble.

[@michaelridley2864]

Great chat for ID nerds (and owners), thanks.

[@michaelblue7852]

Awesome. Hope we will see you do more of this in the future.

[@katiecannon8186]

I have a 2023 GTI. I love the interface & the capacitive buttons. The reviewers who just constantly complain just seem to me to do so because it’s become a thing to say. The id4 is simply too large for me. I would have definitely bought the id3 if we had it here in North America.

[@simonhay-heddle3848]

Great to see Chris. I've been following him for the last few years. It was his test of the Ioniq 38 that convinced me to get one.

[@EVAddicted]

One of your best videos!! I like his channel too. Following him for years.

[@tomashley5869]

Thanks again Kyle (and Chris) for s as n eye-opening video on a great VW EV, and VW frame of mind. Cheers, Tom

[@FrankNolf]

Nice colab, i am a fan of Chris and his YT channel

[@sebbbi2]

Discussed with VW dealer person today and they said ID.3 will get the new motor and new infotainment system next year. No info yet about range and acceleration yet, but he said both are better. So it seems that a proper facelift is coming eventually.

[@JH-uu7jl]

Love the depth of this chat.

[@danielardelian2]

The explanation that Chris gave is the correct one. We know for a fact from Auto magazines that VW started working on the "facelift" of the ID.3 about two years ago. Back then, they didn't have the new motor, the new 4.0 software, the new bigger screen that's now in the ID.4 / ID.5 since the end of the 2023 summer.

[@ferdinandosantagata4172]

I was really happy when I saw Chris from ‘Battery Life’ was your guest on the ID3 Refresh review. Chris knows his way around the ID3 and I like kid down to earth view on the cars he drives and tests. Having you both on brought up some interesting observations about the two variants and the company. Keep up the good work guys.

[@lubder]

I think one reason why many things take so long is that they have contracts with suppliers and purchase commitments for certain quantities. Volkswagen is known for more or less blackmailing its suppliers in price negotiations, but also has to make commitments in return. If they want to change faster, it will be more expensive and they try to avoid that. That is probably the reason why the change of the steering wheels to buttons takes so long or also with the new infotainment hardware. They want to use up the quota first before changing to the new system, also with the ID.3. If that is true, it is a mistake because the cost of the ruined reputation is much higher for VW. This is shown by the fact that people still claim that VW's software is crap, even though the new one is not bad at all. To get rid of this bad reputation costs them a fortune.

[@dklap3388]

I’m glad they didn’t change more than they did - it means my 2 year “old” ID.3 aren’t too outdated yet. 😁 In all seriousness though, it doesn’t mean too much to me, since I really like my car and have no plans to change it to another. Despite its flaws, I’m happy every time I get behind the wheel, it drives really great.

[@alistairl]

This was great thankyou and the candid discussion with Chris was excellent. I'm definitely a VW fan boy and have been fortunate enough to be able to get new models recently but the ID.3 and Mk8 Golf were an interesting step sideways after my mk7.5 golf. I really like my ID.3 but I'm not blind to it's shortcomings. I just hope VW figure out how to progress in this new era - I'm planning to get another ID.3 after the finance period completes - hopefully I'll have a choice of trim and colour this time.

[@pdculbert]

Great collaboration.

[@royd63uk]

I have a Kona 64kWh 2021 and it has 5.7% degradation. Excellent video very interesting

[@meandmyEV]

Really intersting video. I liked hearing about press car availability. I have always thought GM did a great job of getting the Bolt into the hands of as many reviewers as possible. I saw channels with less than 1000 subscribers showing off press cars when I was shopping for a vehicle. The best part for GM was that the reviewers were mostly giving positive reviews because they were so excited to get the cars (not to mention as I have discovered that the Bolt is a great value).

[@brianwhite3410]

I love the crossover with another KZbinr. Someday do a vid with the dude from Autogefuhl!

[@EricSmith-hx3gp]

I have no interest in buying a VW, and this might be my favorite video on this channel. The two of you need to do a standing show together. Excellent banter.

[@martymar7465]

Even with all those complaints ID 3 is great car

[@katiecannon8186]

I so wish they’d bring the id3 to North America. I’d buy one immediately.

[@jellyd4889]

Not the old one..... it is very plasticky... and had the ugliest seat material in the world... VERY unlike VW. Basically they messed up the interior quality.

[@thejake8099]

Why would VW bring an old model when the new model is soon available?

[@itekani]

The biggest let down VW did to the Id3 is not make it possible to tow a trailer. If it could tow 1000 kg like the Id4 it would have been a serious alternative to Model 3, but now it is just half a car.

[@fariszengi]

as a vw user, i am not surprise with all the problem mentioned

[@PGD39able]

Great video. Explains some of the issues with VW and their slow development to change things. I have a 2023 ID4 Pro S AWD and really enjoy it. The ONLY thing I really wish that VW would do is to refresh the software. I hate having to touch the screen EVERY time I get in for my profile and I'm the only user. And I would like if they would put a drag and drop icon bar across the top for things that you frequently use. That would be a big improvement for the 'older' ID's. Otherwise the ID is a great vehicle. Thanks again for all you guys do!

[@nickbien]

I suspect when the ID.3 gtx/gti launches sometime late 2023 or early 2024 it will have the new 4.0 infotainment system. IMO it would be alright to launch the top top trim with the new infotainment, then 6 months later bring it to the less spicy models.

[@Scrap-press]

Unfortunately all current ID model delivered with 3.5 or lower can't be upgraded to 4.0. That's why it is such a huge miss

[@nickbien]

@@Scrap-press it's because the new id.4, id.7 and id buzz screen got an upgraded processor. maybe older ID cars could get a watered down version of the 4.0 software

[@kngmrtn]

V4 for ID3 is likely coming in March 2024 earliest.

[@siLox95]

@@kngmrtn well, march isnt that long anymore. I aggree with @nickbien. ID3 GTX Top version would make absolutely sense with 4.0 and new Hardware.

[@pekarp]

I have a 9/21 registered ID.3 58 kWh. It also used to have those error messages with earlier software versions. It was recently updated from 2.4 to 3.2. After that it developed a new ”feature”. It loses network connection and sometimes you hear a knocking noise from the speakers and emergency call function gives an error message. No fix yet for that.

[@automatix5]

I had this issue also a few weeks ago. After i parked the car for an hour it disappeared. Very annoying.

[@Knnnkncht]

Chris is the german Dominic

[@AdrianBlaga]

Love both

[@jellyd4889]

Just make the icons coloured, like the new one. The speed of yhe OS is really ok. If you charge every few days at home, youll use Android Auto or Apple car play anyway

[@jamespaul2587]

Thanks for sharing your experience, and happy ID anniversary, Chris! 😊 How does the updated Zoe compare to this car, as I believe it has a 55 kWH pack now? I believe it's a bit smaller, and it probably has less features, being an older platform. I would love to see a small hatch like this in Canada, the Volvo EX30 looks interesting, but Canadian pricing is much higher than the US. eGolfs were popular here, but they had limited range and were hard to find new, used prices are still quite high as people love the car!

[@christofferlarsson6989]

I also don't mind the ID3 interiör, i think the problem was that if you compare it with gen 7 golf, it feels cheap because the gen 7 golf is the best bult car it its class, period.

[@dennislyon5412]

Kyle - you need to get Chris in Colorado to have some fun colab review of US/Canada cars - if he’s able and interested. This was a great nerdy discussion on VW cars.

[@LionheartLivin]

All the best to VW workers during this transition!!!;)

[@spoenk7448]

Watching this in my ID.3 First Plus while fast charging. I've only had this for half a year, and I recognize it's too expensive and that software (2.3) is flawed and that the touch buttons are less-than-amazing, but other than that I think it's a really good car. I don't mind the interior quality too much. It's fine really.

[@jamespaul2587]

Agreed, I think the interior complaints are minor, and the price seems reasonable for its features. There are so few small hatchbacks available in the US and Canada, this would be a great option for those who don't want a huge SUV

[@spoenk7448]

@@jamespaul2587 Yeah, American cars man. I consider the ID.3 to be pretty big already, certainly wide. Far bigger than our Mazda 2.

[@jamespaul2587]

@spoenk7448 agreed, far bigger and heavier than necessary. So many people and families would do well with a smaller hatch or compact wagon, but they buy a huge 4WD bloated and overweight SUV or CUV instead. Apparently, it's not just fries that we supersize in North America 😊

[@binflydushy]

@@spoenk7448Can’t you give you’re car to your dealership to do the update on 2.4, and then you do the OTA-Updates by yourself?

[@spoenk7448]

@@binflydushy I think there's a 3 point something update waiting for me at the next appointment. But like Chris said in the video, people got stuff to do.

[@jellyd4889]

VW managers just ordered new software to be added on to the existing control unit concepts, the. The managers decided to buy slow equipment, probably with unreliable intel hardware, no GPU, bad connectivity, but it was cheaper. They were saving money. That and the crappy interior quality... even compared to a Vw golf.

[@patricke4946]

Good to see his car got PAID 😆

[@BillAnderson1]

FYI: All New ID.4s from Chattanooga come with software 3.5 now. No word if older cars will get an update.

[@siLox95]

SW4.0 and new hardware is now in configurator in germany

[@OutofSpecMom]

At least Chris is honest about battery degradation and how it’s a real thing. DC fast charging is just brutal on batteries.

[@EndlessBreathDidges]

Recent studies show no impact from fast charging vs home/slow.

[@jellyd4889]

I have not heard of any of those studies. If the battery remains at the same temp, I would believe that....

[@OutofSpecMom]

@@EndlessBreathDidges where are those studies mate???

[@jellyd4889]

Interesting chat. Watched it all...

[@Bo-electric]

Nice collaboration!

[@graham5649]

Great video guys

[@ekhaat]

You guys are awesome

[@simson4t]

Facelift literally means aesthetic changes. This is what the id3 got without technical update. The id4 got technical update without aesthetic changes. So I think Volkswagen used the terms. The same thing that makes them slow to adapt, is made German manufacturers the Image that German cars are well designed well-built good quality products. Vw just announced that they cutting the Time takes to bring a new model to market into half, by replacing some of the testing with simulation, test period or a model will only last one winter instead of the current two . I'm afraid that chasing the Chinese and Tesla in this will result in Tesla and Chinese Quality . And I am afraid that people won’t accept this from a German Company.

[@jellyd4889]

Good comment. Sounds very plausible.... they tried and pushed too hard, with big and powerful internal depts, not quite ready for this time to market. The Tesla's, rivians, CN companies have almost all started from scratch, with no derivatives. They probably have 10000 parts in their systems in total. VW has that in maybe 2 cars. And they have 20 cars every three years for the last XX years. Gazillions of parts. It's just a totally different world.

[@laurentiu2314]

Yesterday in Romania, (and today also) all electric IDs had a discount between 10000 and 12000 euro. After the money paid by government ID3 58 KWh battery, was almost 23000-24000 euro VAT included, and I have seen also a ID5 GTX at 42000 euro.

[@FrankNolf]

Dang that is a great deal for an id3!

[@jellyd4889]

Hopefully there will be an offer in Germany too :(

[@ramblerandy2397]

My ID3 is a nice car, but has V2.3 software and it still sucks big time. I wanted my VW dealer to update the car and he said he was scared of bricking it, afetr bricking the previous two he had. So I still have V2.3, with no plans to update it because I can't be arsed. The lease runs out March 2024 and I don't intend to get another one. The software ruins it.

[@kngmrtn]

Gently force your dealer to do the update. There is no problem if they just follow "RTFM" instead of freefloating thru the procedure. V3.2 is a huge improvement.

[@ramblerandy2397]

@@kngmrtn OK, I will consider it. But they had the car for a week last time. Huge inconvenience and nothing done.

[@menglincitta]

watching this video at a supercharger near chapel hill nc, just saw a guy parked his model Y near me facing the charger, then walked into the starbucks,

[@dennislyon5412]

EV parking spot, right? Lol!

[@johandec71]

good evening ... so we receive new software, new interface on our id3 as in the next IDs? THANKS

[@SamuraiTacos1]

would love an id 3 in north america

[@tom_hoots]

While you're in Europe, Kyle, can you dive into why WE CAN'T HAVE AFFORDABLE BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE UNITED STATES? Quite obviously, manufacturers are making them. Heck, Toyota -- the EV fanatics' favorite whipping post -- even has a Proace Electric van over in Europe. So, why can't we get affordable (under, say, $35,000) battery electric vehicles in the United States? And yes, you can point out one or two or three examples with fairly severe limitations that are available here, but THERE WILL BE NO "ELECTRIC REVOLUTION" if 80% of the citizens in this country CAN'T AFFORD to purchase battery electric vehicles. I'm certainly in that boat. For instance, just about every day, I drive past our local Nissan dealership, which is just a few blocks away from my house, and see the same eight (8) Ariyas (and 5 Leafs) sitting there, as if they were firmly bolted to their parking lot. As it seems that the "early adopters" are getting their vehicles, especially the CCS world is just utterly moribund. I sure don't see any ELECTRIC REVOLUTION going on anywhere near me.....

[@LiiMuRi]

I still haven't gotten an invite to update the software to 3.2... Maybe just because I live in France 😝 I'll have to contact the dealer

[@sebbbi2]

Agreed 100%. ID.3 with the new (more efficient/powerful) motor and the new infotainment system would have been a really interesting car. I have zero interest for the current ID.3 facelift. Also still 0.267 drag coefficient. Tesla improved new Model 3 aerodynamics improving the range and Enyaq Coupe is 0.23 too. Would have wanted technical improvements too, not just a slightly bit improved materials and looks.

[@nathanwolf5547]

Have you heard that VW are dropping the ID name from their range?

[@OutofSpecMom]

No, but they should just drop the whole line. The ID4 in US is a disaster.

[@starsundsternchen802]

The usable battery capacity from 0 to 100 % indicated in the display is actually 54 kWh. The remaining 4 kWh are buffer below 0%. So I guess your assumption for the degradation is not quite right!

[@twilliams8041]

Who at VW thought a white steering was a great idea? Are the higher ups at VW so isolated in their ivory tower? Are they really hands-on car people? It's not like they were building an airport or something.

[@jed2049]

You should ask the VW execs how much money they are losing per EV

[@letsgobrandon5800]

0:55 early Model 3 facelift? Surely you don’t mean Tesla

[@OutofSpecStudios]

I caught that as well. Freudian slip?

[@jamespaul2587]

He said ID3

[@TJPavey]

Every VW owner I know has hilarious electrical issues/glitches. Buttons doing the wrong things and such. I am just not convinced I’d be able to see pats that and trust an all electric VW.

[@johandec71]

A news software for ID3 ??

[@samuelweiner5382]

This is just me, but I like smaller cars. The ID3 should be built and sold in America.

[@dennislyon5412]

But only with a software and switchgear/trim update?

[@Lascarnn]

Volkswagen is to scared to cheat tests nowadays :) (regarding showing battery degradation)

[@smcm7010]

Great video and chat... too many adds...

[@Iceeeen]

Seriously, this thing looks like something a Tata inside. Try sitting in a Golf mk4 and get a feel of what a nice interrior actually feels like. Try to acctually be critical and don't just praise it when it's crap. The instrument cluster is a 50€ cheap screen. The stupid center is 100€ screen with a terrible UI. The stupid touch buttons. Cheap cheap plastic that is something that Stelantis use. Okay if it was 15000€, not this. THe other thing, how acctually cares about navigation for day to day use? The ID 3 would been coo if it acctually had a nice interrior with a real instrument cluster, Hvac, and a nice infotainment. It's even RWD, perfect for the winter fun. One other thing, every Golf comes with a towing certifcication, but directly when it says electric they just dont care

[@nielshunniche1]

Kris Please teach these Americans to say Folkswagen

[@johhny711]

I think the ID3 is the perfect city car, the problem a few years ago was that a lot of people wanted a Tesla and couldn't afford it so bought a VW and complained a lot because the software wasn't great on the ID3 on the first versions and because they really wanted a Tesla. To be honest, most people who drove EVs, in the beginning, were either driving Teslas or wanted to drive Teslas, now I think as more and more issues arise with the software on Tesla, such as phantom breaking, self-driving software not working, sat nav problems, build quality issues no speedo, silly things like glove box , wiper stalk and the way Tesla sell cars, really very bad trade-in valuations, so much so, that most people sell their own cars, and the lack of service centres and no nationwide dealerships. And now of course when you buy a Tesla you are making a political statement you probably support Musk's stance on Ukraine, and Musk's support for Putin and Musk is a Magahead, these are now serious downsides to owning a Tesla if you like Democracy and support Ukraines fight for democracy. Tesla in my opinion is a Political brand.

[@jellyd4889]

Tesla has shown the other car companies that you can shaft the customers and still sell cars. That was unheard of in Germany, now we have got used to handing over 55000 euros for a Tesla at the press of a button, as if that amount of money raises no emotions. Unfortunately the new M3 facelift looks quite lovely, but still with all the sh*t things you just mentioned..

[@johhny711]

Yes Tesla has proved you don't need an expensive nationwide dealership ( actually worldwide ) , you will buy online and book a ranger service online and there will be no competition between dealers because there will be no dealers, you want a Tesla sell your own car and pay us upfront, and it will spread as you say all manufactures will get rid of their expensive dealer network .This is the future @@jellyd4889

[@Daily-Ai-Driver]

He called it MODEL 3 @ 59 seconds 😂😂😂😂

[@sharkflower123]

Yeah, I hate the steering wheel buttons... Therefore I upgraded my E-Golf to a Tesla, not the ID.3

[@chrisweston9764]

I felt like a nodding donkey through this video. Bit of a disapointing facelift from VW

[@JenoFletter]

To much money for this car. VW needs to get over it's self with it's over priced cars that usually have a ton of proplems.

[@OutofSpecStudios]

E for Electric hated his VW ID.

[@OutofSpecMom]

Yes, he still trashes VW……

[@jamespaul2587]

He hates Tesla also

[@johhny711]

😂@@jamespaul2587

[@danielstillingdff1282]

That guy makes a living from hating most EVs...

[@OutofSpecStudios]

@@danielstillingdff1282 Very true. He hates near everything he touches. Tesla, Volt, ID4. You name it, he hates it.

[@sahar_services]

When EX30 will come to the market, no one will want to buy an ID3.

[@tonyn3227]

I.d 3 sucks, overpriced crap.

[@djlorenz11]

Legacy automaker BS, this is why they can’t compete with Tesla. Wishing them the best, but good luck Tesla and Chinese makers disrupting these whales