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How will the ts100 iron compare with the stm32 soldering station that I’ve been using for a couple of years?
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[@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013]

It's fun reading the comments on videos like this, it's a lot like trying to interpret abstract art.

[@eliko5734]

7:43 Maybe you can try to worm just the tip at 10-15 degrees. Then turn on the calibration. Also it may be that a sensor is in the battery area and may be heating up from the charge. Thanks for the video, very cool channel

[@MrBobWareham]

I was going to purchase the TS100, and now I will thanks

[@emcgon]

I just checked my TS100 (stock firmware and a spade tip). Measures 294C at the tip (measured with a multimeter fitted with a K-type thermocouple) when set to 300C. Not too bad. Interestingly, wetting the tip with solder made a big difference: it read as low as 240C without a blob of molten solder on it.

[@voltlog]

I wetted the tip with solder as well.

[@thomasjaszewski64]

I have the same measuring device. I think we should confirm it’s accuracy. BTW I bought the T100 using your link, and couldn’t be happier. Best iron I’ve used in 50 years.

[@voltlog]

The measuring device is pretty accurate as I remember testing against a multimeter with a thermocouple.

[@madrian_hello]

Andreas has a nice cable recommendation for ts100 in his today's video. 👌

[@andreikolozsvari]

Which Andreas?

[@madrian_hello]

Andreas Spiess

[@GRBtutorials]

Yes, but is it heatproof? Real soldering stations have heatproof cables.

[@voltlog]

I will make my own cable with silicone cables so it should resists a couple hundred degrees C

[@ristomatti]

@@voltlog Do you happen to have an AliExpress link to the cable you're planning to use? I've tried searching for heat resistant cables for the purpose but I haven't figured the correct search words for that. I've also currently been using a stiff cable which is not too comfortable (although it does not have an angled connector like that which probably makes it even more uncomfortable...).

[@tianharvan]

I lost my TS 100 and I'm sad .It was the best had it for 3 years ,did everything with it .Going to get I self a new one soon .

[@zadintuvas1]

My results on uncalibrated T100 (set temperature - actual temperature): 250 - 216, 300 - 250, 350 - 313 Calibrated: 250 - 229, 300 - 280, 350- 323

[@voltlog]

thanks for the comment! from what I've been reading most people are in this area where the actual temp is lower than set. I have ordered another tip for the ts100 to see if the situation changes with a new tip.

[@aneeshprasobhan]

@@voltlog any updates ? :)

[@voltlog]

@@aneeshprasobhan same situation with another tip.

[@aneeshprasobhan]

@@voltlog hmm..interesting...also did you watch the TS100 vs TS80 video from eevblog ? ( the one he took down because of the ts100 fanboys negative feedbacks )..in the video, he does show that the ts80, even with lower power consumption has better thermal transfer properties because the element has an extra mass right towards the end.

[@voltlog]

@@aneeshprasobhan yeah saw that, but I would say it is to be expected, even from the older model of soldering irons, if you used a bigger tip it would have better thermal mass and better transfer. I guess the same thing applies for the TS80.

[@mib7344]

Thanks for your comparison which is almost comprehensive.

[@expTRM]

thanks for this comparison. ordered a ts100 (i can live with the unprecise temps). also i will get a t12 station + 858d hot air rework for home use. the ts100 will be my field iron. hate those long shipping times :) what i like a lot about the t12, are handles bcause of the shorter finger to tip distance, looks even shorter than expensive jbc irons. the few seconds longer boot and heating time is not critical for me, since its a hobby, not professional use.

[@eazysmokes3743]

Hey get a quick clone for 100$ well worth the extra bucks

[@jean-paulisambart2444]

The power of the TS100 is dependent on its input voltage. The manual states 24V as the maximum input voltage, but the power stage of this iron uses mosfets accepting up to 30V Vds. As the resistance of the heating element is 7 Ohm (same of 3 different type of tips I measured), that means the you can raise the power of the TS100 way over 100W. With this king of available input power, the iron is very fast at everything indeed ...

[@voltlog]

Going over spec would probably shorten it's life.

[@noudlindeman1931]

can the other componends handle de 30v aswel?

[@Leif_YT]

Louis Rossmant tried in his review the Hakko T12 Tips on the TS100. This won't be comfortable / ergonomic because they're much longer, but for just testing if your original TS100 Tip has a problem it should work. The connectors seem to be compatible.

[@fullwaverecked]

On my shopping list. Great video!

[@raducirstoiu2253]

Laptop chargers usualy output less than 20V, you should try the same experiment with a 24V power supply.

[@james10739]

Well for faster heat up and more power for large thermal masses but should not really affect the calibration

[@umbratherios5614]

There's two ways to calibrate the ts100 now. a "simple" method" and an "advanced" method. I think it's a new feature though. Both stations are awesome though!

[@indrasutarman]

My ts100 quite accurate temp.... Only differ 2-3 degress below/above from the display

[@ats89117]

The thermocouple works on the basis of two dissimilar metals. How is this affected when you add in solder with additional metals? It can't be good...

[@voltlog]

"O a basis of two very specific metals" so it works just fine if you add a bit of solder.

[@GRBtutorials]

3:40 There's a way. If it performs badly, then it's not genuine. If it's very cheap, then it's not genuine (genuine T12 Hakko tip cost $10-20).

[@voltlog]

Hard to tell when you get a set of tips and the stm32 station directly from the Chinese markets for something like $70 total. What I do know is that at least one of the tips I got performs better than the others with respect to the tip finish/coating and how well it takes solder.

[@GRBtutorials]

Well, the soldering station alone costs $40-50, so if you've got more than 2 tips with it for that price, I'm pretty sure it's fake. Also, Hakko isn't mentioned anywhere in the Aliexpress listings, so I highly doubt they put Hakko tips in it. But the best way of knowing is buying a genuine tip from an authorised reseller and comparing the performance.

[@jacksat2252]

The genuine tips have the brandname and a serialnr + type of tip laser etched on them ,most fakes don't. And if you buy tips seperatly the packaging will show you if it is fake or real.

[@StewsChannel]

I was reading up on the T12 stations and the TS100 trying to decide which one to buy. I ended up going for the T12 station as it will be mostly workbench use and I didn't really want an iron that has buttons on the handle. Lol, hopefully I chose wisely :).

[@voltlog]

Depending on which specific station you got, it should be a solid choice for bench use.

[@TooBanger]

@@voltlog which version is best

[@TheDefpom]

@ 16:25 that is the same tip I like to use too. I am very tempted to do a little video showing my ts 100, checking its temperature (I have the same tester) and comparing it to my fake FX951 station, will be very similar to what you just did.

[@informediatech-bruno5766]

you did not show the power suply voltage and amperage for the irons, a 12v 5 amp iron heats up quicker than a 12 v 2 amp for example so you may have more amps in the ts100, coz it has more thermal mass and it takes more time to heat up also the t12 tips are the same as ts100 wich in this case got more thermal mass, check the high performanve t12 tips

[@SidneyCritic]

I think it was Defpom that bought a T12 station that had a very fast heat up std tip, but when he put in a different T12 tip that he bought elsewhere it became slow. Maybe swap the tips and see if it's different.

[@voltlog]

I would need to get the same type of tip but from a different source. Getting a different shape would have different properties. Since genuine tips are quite expensive I will probably just get one, the shape I use more often.

[@TheDefpom]

SidneyCritic ComedyHound - I am tempted to do a video using the same conditions as here, I have the fake FX951, and the TS100, and a range of (fake) tips for them both.

[@SidneyCritic]

Now you've jerked my memory. I think the tip that came with the fake FX took around 20 sec, but the extra fake tips took 33 sec.

[@TheDefpom]

I just published a video mirroring what Florin posted, we have some very similar equipment! my TS100 is only run at 16V as I don't have another suitable supply/2.5mm connector at the moment.

[@geirendre]

If the iron heats up in 15 or 20 seconds, does that really matter much? Right temperature, yepp that's important. BTW built a T12 ripoff myself with a DELL laptop power brick as power source. Cost me less that USD 30 including case and 3 extra tips.

[@PatchworxStudios]

Speed does Matter. If you prototype you weld the adjust research weld again if you would wait every time in between it would be inefficient. If you let the iron run you damage the tip.

[@orly7317]

I'm a bit late, but speed really matters for one reason - you have a better chance to overheat temperature-sensitive element if you are heating it for a longer time, heat transfers at some speed through legs of the component to it's core : )

[@kkiwi8559]

@Schwalbe262 20v 2.3a for my dell laptop power brick

[@crispy-k]

You should have tried to set the ts100 to 330 degrees to see if it could even hit the 300 degrees. (i can see you did at 13:35 did it go to 300?) Nice video. I just ordered one and looking forward to try it.

[@TylrVncnt]

Mine goes up to 350C no problem whatsoever (using Ralin firmware unlocks this feature)

For many years I have used a 907 iron with temperature control integrated in the handle. Recently I have seen similar irons for T12 tips. They are quite cheep (9 for a plastic handle, 16 for an plastic+aluminum handle). Have you seen them? I can dig up a link if you are interested on testing a low budget alternative.

[@voltlog]

I haven't seen or used any of the irons with control integrated in the handle. I would recommend either get a ts100 or a t12 station with proper power supply and control circuitry.

[@FuchsHorst]

There are many different "T12" versions out there. Their controlling board differes widely. Even KSGER or "Quicko" already have many generations of "T12" systems out there. Not all are STM32 based. It's a total mess to compare :/

[@em0_tion]

Agreed. This is why ordered the EXACT SAME station as the one i watched reviewed here ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3y0dGx9ariMf6s

Can you add a description/part number of the tip tinning paste to the description? It went to fast for me...

[@andreikolozsvari]

Mechanic MCN-8S from Banggood or Aliexpress.

[@superdau]

Just enter it into google.

[@voltlog]

yup, I made a mistake by scheduling this video for Sunday 7th when it should have been published Sunday 14th. Not sure if you noticed but the numbering is off by one.. The description wasn't ready because I thought I still have enough time to get it done before next Sunday but I have fixed it today, links were added. I have the Mechanic paste.

[@nunogarcia9446]

Great content! I have an original Hakko FM-203 with both original and Chinese T12 tips, and while I haven't made any comparison, the original ones just feel better, namely the JS02 - I feel that the original one reflows pads of small components faster than the Chinese knock-off. On a completely different subject, I have to ask you, how do you manage to be concise and fluent while speaking English on your videos (without voice-over) given that you are not a native speaker? Do you have to re-record often because of any stutter or mistake? I'm asking because I'm genuinely interest and I faced those problems in the past, when I was part of a couple KZbin videos. Cheers, Nuno

[@voltlog]

I sometimes make 1-2 mistakes per video but I just repeat that sentence and edit out the mistake later. I've been doing this for two years so I have improved my skills over time.

[@avgear2694]

can you tell me which is better between ksger v2.1s or t12-a?

[@em0_tion]

2.1s in my opinion and here's why kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3y0dGx9ariMf6s I'm waiting for mine to arrive :)

[@laimis8959]

Only original tips working properly,i have use TS100 with original tip,is only 15c difference.

[@electronic7979]

Excellent item

[@dogukanbicer4228]

izlediğim yerli yabancı her videoda varsın

[@giacomo1191]

Hi, what dummy load is that ? (the red pcb)

[@MixedGears]

You run a nice channel. I subbed. This is what I rarely do =)

[@gl0sek]

Cool video! I have a question. Could t12 soldering station power a 936 iron if you would rewire and swap connectors?

[@voltlog]

I don't know if it uses the same heating element or the same type of thermocouple. if the answer is yes than the answer is yes :-)

[@em0_tion]

Seeing how other users report 25V max rated capacitors inside this TS100 i wouldn't dare pushing it further than 21-22V.

[@jamieh9351]

Really interesting - thanks

[@whollymindless]

Videos can be better when things don't go as planned....

[@MrBrymstond]

Did you forget to put the link in the description?

[@voltlog]

yup, I made a mistake by scheduling this video for Sunday 7th when it should have been published Sunday 14th. Not sure if you noticed but the numbering is off by one.. The description wasn't ready because I thought I still have enough time to get it done before next Sunday but I have fixed it today, links were added.

[@CanchezAK]

Ehh, 25 degrees lost on ts100... Very bad, i by this solder, thats on my post, but now i very upset by this solder. I was thinking , thats precision solder, and i need precision solder on departure, without 220V, and i by this. Solder on video rejected or not?

[@UpcycleElectronics]

Did I miss something? Why are you so sure of the temperature reading of your Hakklone thermocouple?

[@voltlog]

yes you might be missing info presented in this video.

[@MrOrangeman18]

He did it with two diff temp sensors

[@UpcycleElectronics]

@@MrOrangeman18 Thanks. I shouldn't try to watch stuff while doing other things. Sorry for missing it

[@MixedGears]

Hmmm I'm about cheap So T12 is the answer I guess? Or TS100 is really better besides its speed. Because @irendre reported making T12 +3 tips for 30$ for TS100 I'm starting with 50$ + EU tax rate + tips are more expensive I think? What would you do Voltlog. My last 8 years I'm in railway automation stuff I'm going to forget all electronics basics if I don't practice =)

[@gamerpaddy]

check the ts100 in a month or two, the plastic at the tip cracks after some time (around that locking screw) . still its a very good one. i use both t12 and ts100 for distant work t12 cant reach

[@RespawnRestricted]

that's weird my t12 is so much better then my ts100 on large joints its not even close ksger brand btw

[@gamerpaddy]

what voltage you running your ts100 on?

[@RespawnRestricted]

20v from my Lenovo laptop psu I think is 90w or 95w

[@gamerpaddy]

those t12 stations run at 24v, give your ts100 24v aswell so its the same power. t12 tips are longer but idenitical to ts100 tips so they should perform identical

[@RespawnRestricted]

@@gamerpaddy tried that b4 off my liner bench power supply same results my t12 vastly outperforms my ts100 tried other tips in it also with same results

[@RespawnRestricted]

their is deff something wrong with you t12 mine heats up faster and outperforms my ts100 in every single way and its not even close on a large joint its a ksger brand btw

[@ichbintoll7128]

Maybe a newer version? Don't know if they bettered the performance but they update it quite often.

[@RespawnRestricted]

@@ichbintoll7128 I got version 2.1 bought it a year and a half ago orr longer

[@ichbintoll7128]

@@RespawnRestricted So that's probably better hardware because he said he got his when the t12 clones weren't even widely available, so pretty long ago.

[@TheDefpom]

I just did a comparison video of the fake Hakko FX-951 and the TS100 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmSVfqFnmKmiiJY I used the same tips, shows the accuracy, and heat up times etc. I only have a 16V power supply for my TS100, so it is not performing at its best, but isn't bad.

[@squalazzo]

what's the name of the temperature measurement device? Thanks

[@voltlog]

description is fixed now with links to the items shown in the video. Thanks!

[@GRBtutorials]

So the fake is better than the genuine, as it doesn't have that Fahrenheit rubbish.

[@octavmandru9219]

Ai incercat sa compensezi 30 grade mai jos (din meniu) pentru a compensa neliniaritatea termocuplei? Intelegi, tu - seteaza room temp la 0 grade si vezi ce iese

[@puscasovidiu5060]

SE POATE CORECTA TEMPERATURA EXACT CAT MASOARA TERMOMETRUL . VEDETI IN MENIU SAU CAUTATI MANUALUL DE UTILIZARE .

[@GnuReligion]

I have a TS100, and printed a Hakko adapter for it. Was interested in your description section, on the best Ali deal on the T12. Seems like it is not there.

[@voltlog]

yup, I made a mistake by scheduling this video for Sunday 7th when it should have been published Sunday 14th. Not sure if you noticed but the numbering is off by one.. The description wasn't ready because I thought I still have enough time to get it done before next Sunday but I have fixed it today, links were added.

[@cedrichirschi8036]

Will you do something with these dummy load PCBs?

[@voltlog]

nope, nothing special, simple analog load that I designed years ago.

[@cedrichirschi8036]

@@voltlog Ok, thanks. I just had some problems with oscillation with my design recently. Could you release the schematics if they're still available?

[@WaschyNumber1]

🖖 👍

[@isprithul]

You forgot to add description

[@voltlog]

yup, I made a mistake by scheduling this video for Sunday 7th when it should have been published Sunday 14th. Not sure if you noticed but the numbering is off by one.. The description wasn't ready because I thought I still have enough time to get it done before next Sunday.

[@MrBrymstond]

I could have sworn I seen someone adjust the temperature to match.

[@MrBrymstond]

Maybe by holding both buttons down.

[@voltlog]

tried multiple combinations I couldn't get it to measure correctly

[@janakozuskanicova]

Yes, you are right, Its unpossible to calibrate this TS-100, also tried multiple times like you can see (when is showing letter X at the end of Cal_ like in my case, its mean that is unpossible to calibrate, if will be there letter Y - its possible calibrate - this is written in manual). Mine showing about 40-60 degree more like real temp is. Look : kzbin.info/www/bejne/nH-5ZJSBgNh6j9k I think this is problem of all TS-100.

[@User_1795]

@@janakozuskanicova "unpossible" 🤣🤣🤣

[@puscasovidiu5060]

TS 100 ARE SETARE DE CALIBRARE PENTRU TEMPERATURA VARF.

[@puscasovidiu5060]

T 100 IT HAVE CORECTION TEMPERATURE UP AND DOWN . HAVE A NICE YEAR .

[@bogdan6424]

Fix video-ul pe care îl căutăm.Am cumpărat și eu o statie cu vârfuri t12 de pe AliExpress cu ecran oled și super ok.

[@cristianvalentinbuburuz1909]

Instal new firmware ts100 github.com/Ralim/ts100/releases is perfect set temperature

[@voltlog]

There was the same error even with the Ralim firmware.

[@cristianvalentinbuburuz1909]

@@voltlog To me, since there was no temperature error, the temperature set was very precise. This is after installing the latest version of firmware.RC4: RC3. the only problem is that the display shows the information with sudden changes of display but the peak temperature is perfectly accurate with all the peaks i have tested with ts-bc2

[@mustafasaltuk7991]

T12 send me

[@stupid-handle]

Hehe, that speed test with two identical boards hanging off the tips was creative. It would nice if you could dedicate a video on the hakko temperature reading clone, though. If of the latter ones, there is an unpopulated trimpot, which once mounted, is accessible via the whole you see on the back of the device with a fine screwdriver, probably meant for calibration, besides some other unpopulated components and silkscreen labels that could be of interest.

[@voltlog]

it was shown back when I got it kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqO6eIN3mNOXe68

[@makedasss]

The durability of ts100 cannot fight T12. Obviously the ts100 is too fragile.

[@ikomu8907]

used my T12 couple of time and its kaput ! go figure out ...PSU is ok but needs new controller board ...

[@Jin-Ro]

I've got a TS100 and I'd agree with that. Even my Antex CS18 is more robust. I just prefer the ergonomics of the TS100 though, and it is well designed, and the tips and internals are very good quality.