Vtuber DEMANDS Money Back AFTER Artist Finished The Model...

[@skintsugi]

There's a lot of clients like this. I had a client I rigged a model for; had them look over everything, made sure they liked it all. And then they said they hated the model, didn't like how it ran and that they wanted their money back. I blacklisted them, gave them half and told them I would only do a half refund as they still had the model. They insulted my work and berated me for how long it took despite the fact that I literally had everything in my TOS. Stopped offering refunds after that.

[@doghugs6840]

nicer than me because i mean, u literally finished the model therefore u shouldve kept the full amount since u did a full amount worth of work 😅 they wouldve gotten nuffin from me other than a last chance to disclose what they dont like to fix it, or to go work with someone else

[@skintsugi]

@@doghugs6840 i honestly should've but it was one of my first clients and they were telling me they would go tell the mods i was a scammer and get me blacklisted. The work wasn't bad; I'd rigged models for myself and for friends before to get a feel for it. I always give people up to 2 weeks to really tell me if there's anything they dislike/want changed cuz it gives them enough time to really play around with it but they were past the 2 week mark and threatening a chargeback. It was just super messy all around and this was way back in like late 2019/early 2020?? so it was a bit of a smaller community at that point. sucks but learned my lesson after that.

[@wondertriplover]

i bet they still used the model afterwards

[@DOTTEDre]

Oh, that’s not good

[@blahblahblahdeeblah]

@@wondertriplover definitely. It's their plan from the start.

[@lavellyne]

That client has so much audacity it's actually bewildering. They literally owed the artist money yet expect a refund? Despite clear T.O.S that they agreed to the second the payment went through?

[@royal_stray7734]

Right, like it's their responsibility to pay the artist in full and then try to sell the model, or sell it back to the artist. But they need to pay for the finished product

[@LILDUCKYSHREKALINAS]

2:15 that art is GORG like who is this diva???

[@SylentBell]

Emy is a close friend of mine & she is literally the SWEETEST person I’ve ever talked to & worked with ❤❤❤

[@EmotionalDerpsDND]

It's sad cuz it makes sense and it's very generous when artists offer partial payments and start artwork/models/etc. People forget how many want full or 3/4ths payment before they'll even start the project and people take advantage of the kinder more patient artists out there.

[@Karma20XX]

There is a thing called a 'k*ll fee' in the freelance world, but it has to be in the contract and BEFORE work is completed.

[@Miyurohime]

That model is beautiful dang if I could get that for 400 I would pay it right away that's dirt cheep for a model.

[@ellis20022]

right? the first thing i thought when i saw the actual model is that if i had the funds rn i'd buy it off of her lol

[@catcheeks4295]

that’s but cheep for pixels

[@Proudxiaoaethershipper]

Exactly😭😭 it was literally so pretty

[@catincake3467]

A discounted price for a good model, and it looked so promising, both parties being polite. Then the client turns around and wants their money back???? I feel so bad

[@DylanKanna]

Its not the Artists fault the Vtubers situation changed she deserves what she worked for. I was in the same situation as the vtuber i bought a 360 euro Model that i ended up not being able to use for mutiple reasons (mental health, pc died right after debut, etc.) it feels bad to be in a situation where you really need that money that you basically threw out the window for nothing but it was your own choice to comission someone so you have to pay them. Life really sucks sometimes and your situation can literally change overnight (mine really did) but the sad truth is thats no ones problem but your very own and you got to deal with it somehow.

[@royal_stray7734]

Agreed. It's not a vtuber or commissioner's fault if something happens to their artist and in the same way it's not the artists fault if something happens to the Commissioner

[@lucinfernos]

so sorry for eme but holy shit that model is GORGEOUS!

[@LoverinaPlays]

No bc the art was so good what-

[@AllieFangs]

$400 for a model like that and rigging, sounds like the best deal ever

[@blankb.2277]

Stay safe! 😮 If you are from Los Angeles. I pray you are able to return soon.

[@Commander-Ledi]

i feel like sometimes people commission artwork with the assumption that they are only paying for the finished piece, and not understanding at all that they are paying for the time and effort the artist will be spending on the artwork.

[@Vyris2D]

The absolute audacity to ask for a refund after completion. I always do half upfront for rigs and half before I send the files. That usually works pretty well and protects both sides. Unfortunately it's usually the people who can't afford half or full payment and ask for smaller payment plans who are the worst clients.

[@Okabe_Rintaro_]

Hey you heard about the recent drama where a guy accused an artist of using AI and it turned out he didn't? The artist deleted his account. It was a Mitsuri Kanroji drawing.

[@Saori133]

I saw someone else make a video abt it, one of the pics that someone reposted seemed kinda ai ac but idk

[@Okabe_Rintaro_]

@Saori133 nah, it was proven later on that the Japanese guy indeed drew it himself. Also even if he was AI (which he wasn't), no one should accuse them like that. It can broke their spirit (imagine spending 3 years day and night trying to master a skill, only to be accused of using AI with an image pointing out 40+ mistakes in your artwork....)

[@jfcfanfic]

$400?! Damn.

[@Abbiegooberr]

Ughhhhhh I’m so burnt out with drama I barely watch vtubers but the drama is lowk CRAZY💀💀 Also emy is a rlly kind person!!:3

[@skittlessquad6031]

If it weren't for the client agreeing to let the artist sell off the model I would almost think they still inteded to use it after demanding a refund.

[@chickenmadness1732]

lol pretty crappy that her first comission is such a bad experience

[@VickyGambles]

i have been absolutely BINGE watching all your videos. I love your content sooo much. Thanks for the entertainment love

[@teojoon]

the entitlement the client has is insane

[@InnOcentp1e]

NEVER BEEN EARLIERRRRRR

[@XoxoDrawZ]

How dare KZbin hides this from me for around a min

[@Abze]

how dare youtube hide this from me for 10 mins

[@decora6260]

Equivalent of: buy burger, ate it all, complain its not good, ask refund 😅

[@Mindless_stickz]

Is your house okay?? I heard about the LA fire. I think it was LA at least-

[@Oohkamitama]

Wow, just wow.

[@uwubei]

unrelated but i like this style of video editing a lot more, i did not miss the constant woosh noises 😭

[@Movedtonewaccount]

Wsp kat? Btw LOOOOOVE UR VIDS!!!!

[@ellis20022]

can i just say that doing monthly payments is not ideal for any product or service that is a luxury like art. you don't know if you'll have that money tomorrow or for the next payment. if you cannot save up to pay in full then you cannot afford it. a lot of people who commit to these big commissions opt for this monthly payment really cannot afford to buy something like art. yes, even us poor people can occasionally buy nice things - but you need to budget appropriately. like it's sad that she spent all this money on a vtuber she cannot use and she can't pay it right now, but thats the contract she agreed too.

[@mica4977]

If the customer was so inclined to get money back why not be the one to reach out to others saying "Hey I commissioned this talented artist for a vtuber model but due to personal situations I wasn't able to finish paying it off even tho she completed it. She's comfortable selling it off to make up for the cash lost so would anyone be interested in buying the model through her?" Or something of the sort to get more eyes on it.

[@NesrynVT]

the art is GORGEOUS! she is tweakin HARD bc wtf. she is crazy for that. definitely shouldve been better and smarter with her finances

[@Simichanga-666]

this - i'm nowhere near done with this but this sounds like the most manipulative way to like ... _get_ money which makes no sense since they paid but like, what the fuck...

[@magnus1383]

400USD sounds cheap to me. This person should get real.

[@MLPRainySky02312]

The thing is A paid Emi for her TIME. Time is money. Now she wants a refund but you cannot refund TIME and effort taken by an artist to DRAW.

[@SettChaoticTower]

If I had the money, I'd pay Emy for a VTube model. I've been for a while considering being a VTuber and Emy's art looks amazing! Plus, she is so understanding and sweet. It's a shame clients tend to be like that with the patient and kind artists. I go on a website called Vograce to turn my artwork into keychains and when I emailed them, the one guy was so understanding and helpful. Even when I had a million questions, he answered them the best he could without a communication misunderstanding. I'd go back to him again the next time I want to turn my art pieces into keychains and the like.

[@elifrost7890]

Saying that it's artist fault for not being able to resell is beyond me. I'm quite new myself to this, only did commissions for a year as an artist, but let me tell ya, even with such little experience, in comparison to others,I've almost ended up twice in a similar situation when I had to think about potentially reselling the commission and it absolutely HORRIFIED me! Even if you're art is good, it doesn't mean that commissioned design is! Sorry to 'spill the tea', but it is how it is .0.

[@emerazuu]

Hello! I'm the artist who tweeted this and I just wanted to say thank you for covering this, I felt validated by some of the things you said and it made me feel less guilt and anxiety about the whole situation. I wanted to update that a very kind individual named K0I has donated the remaining amount to me so thankfully the story has a happy end. I'll be using the model to improve making future models and I appreciate you being respectful to both parties! Much love and thank you for providing advice as well as liking my art and linking it in your description. 🥹💕

[@Karuioush]

I hope ur doing well🎀

[@emerazuu]

​@@KaruioushI'm doing much better, thank you!! I hope you're well too 💕

[@sauriel596]

some rich person couldve pitched in, just that time once and problem solved as random everyday good deed, if she asked nicely. Unfortunatedly im not rich, but thats how i'd imagine it. You do have to tell people not to get too reliant on these things though.

[@zane_mm21]

hello i love your videos so mush

[@JackalopeBunny]

Its crazy how much the model just looks like ironmouse. Like its weird right?

[@Theoneandonlymightydolphin]

:0 never was early to a vid!

[@ferazapam]

YAYAY

[@larapaulyn1488]

the client could've find someone else herself to sell the piece to. like... 😂😂 also, about the photographer getting asked for a refund bc they're divorcing, i can see why they're divorcing. that's hilarious 😂😂

[@Queen_Vexus]

I would normally say that yes, even after a model is finished; You have the right to a refund if you did not find it satisfactory. But you have to be polite, you have to make your demands reasonable, you must be professional as much as you need to be formal: These were all things she didn't do. She was brash, disrespectful to her commissioner, and selfish. The issue probably wouldn't of been as conflated if she was professional, but she wasn't. She acted like a brat towards her commissioner, and ruined her reputation. The model maker; ya have to understand, put in time & effort; and yeah they have full rights to sell the model to anyone else if you didn't show proper respect. It's called the open market; and if you try to drag someone's name through the mud? They can sell to another Vtuber entirely since you disrespected them. TL;DR Brat: "Give me my money back, motherf * * * * !" Modeler: "Yeah no, you didn't pay me, reverse uno. I made all this for you, you tried to portray me as a monster, bolt off."

[@elsa_g]

It's not even that she found it unsatisfactory, it's that she didn't have the money to pay.

[@tarotsushima3332]

In the case of vtuber models though, this is a months long process with regular checkins and evaluations to be done. Which is why I agree with a bunch of model artists that past a certain point of completion someone isn't entitled to a refund, esp if it's due to something that could have been rectified or changed and the client chose not to. In this case the commissioner did everything right and the client wanted to back away from the deal bc she couldn't finish payment, which in that case she isn't entitled to get any refunded money no matter how nice or mean she was about it. It's not on the artist to manage your finances or your buyer's remorse and it's a good rule of thumb to not break the bank on something you can't guarantee to fully pay. And considering 400 USD is an absolute steal for vtuber model standards it's the artist who's been stiffed in this scenario.

[@Queen_Vexus]

@@tarotsushima3332 That's what I'm saying, the commissioner did everything right. It's the Vtuber demanding money back who's in the wrong. And if the Vtuber is going to be rude about it? They can sell that 3D Model to literally anyone else. Not only is it open market, but the human right to deny anyone service.

[@anthonymcneil4238]

Honestly I would disagree with refunds on Vtuber models, and on most art in general. Like the artist and Kat has said, the service was completed and it cannot be undone like a simple transaction can. They spend time, money, effort, etc into making this model, that they will never get back, so I 100% agree they shouldn't allow refunds. If they complete their part of the service, that's it. If you regret purchasing a service im sorry but sucks to suck. Your regret does not change the fact the service was completed, just because you dislike the end product which most times you will have a say in, does not mean you're entitled to your money back. You CHOOSE to commission that artist, you CHOOSE to pay the artist, you CHOOSE to stay silent until the work is completed. Pick your artists better, pick your purchases better, and maybe you'll have less regret in the future.

[@Queen_Vexus]

@@anthonymcneil4238 And in the end I state: If the artist isn't paid? They can sell the Vtuber Model to someone FAR more grateful and willing to pay. It's called free market. Free Market means you can deny service to the one who requested the model, it also means that basically the 3D Modeler can say: "Hey, Model for sale! Ungrateful lil' shit didn't pay me for this! Demanded money back on a completed work, didn't pay in full!"

[@themoonmonkey]

EARLYYYY

[@MuthannaSalah-k9k]

K

[@MatthewMoreau]

None of us are gonna be simps. Good riddance

[@th3_r4t_k1ng]

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[@MatthewMoreau]

@ What are you supposed to be? A simp?

[@th3_r4t_k1ng]

@@MatthewMoreau what are you talking about, bud?

[@MatthewMoreau]

@@th3_r4t_k1ng You just "?"

[@th3_r4t_k1ng]

@@MatthewMoreau yeah 'cause you're going on about being a simp, what do simps have to do with anything in this vid?

[@CultoftheBEANZ]

First (pin me)

[@catcheeks4295]

they paid 300 💀

[@HankHillspimphand]

everyone here NEEDS NEEEEEDS TO WATCH F*** YOU PAY ME(adam savage posted about this). its the best thing a new artist or creator can ever watch. changed my mindset from being passive. it goes over how "oh im sorry i dont want it anymore" doesnt matter F you...pay me(its a joke, watch it to understand). next time get a simple contact and GET PAID. if you dont you will get used and abused.

[@ElMichiiVolador]

Omg the fact she did this for $400 IS INSANE 🧍🏽‍♂️she so talented! I hope she gets more business and grows as a rigger/artist in the community!