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[@BertholdBrigitte]

3:13 with subtitles: "Full sponge they fixed it" nice One

[@Anonymous-ci3ku]

👏🤣

[@martijnspeklap8713]

1:50 'uhuhuhuh, I just came, too early!' Brilliant! :-)

[@bluc0bra]

I wish we had so many chargers here in New Zealand. Thanks for the informative videos, just subscribed.

[@shifty277]

Great work ethic for EV videos - thanks so much for the effort you put into your channel! Thumbs up.

[@Fredric169]

Well done and interesting results.

[@onlyrgu]

Displays is showing the wrong color, ID3 is not white. Its white-Shumutz!!

[@nakfan]

Yes, off-white for win(d) 😅

[@rodolfopereira2142]

Good job, very well explained! 277km in -10C is good.

[@ludgerdegenhardt6350]

Please check the new FIAT 500e with 42kWh!

[@christ.639]

Hey really informative videos you make it helps me a lot to make a decision about maybe getting an EV. In this video on your distance reference point, when you take the exit you say it is 192 km than in the further calculations you use 182 km. could you clearify which is correct?

[@mikegipson1224]

Great video as ever - says it as it is and provides plenty of information :)

[@fordwebster8113]

Great video as always. Any chance of you getting a hold of an MG5 soon? Looks like an efficient fast charger for the price.

[@batraxos2]

I would like to see you test the Leaf. My Leaf 62 kWh does seldom user more than 220 Wh/km (with couple of negative degrees), even at 120 km/h, but maybe in -10 degrees it will be different. But I doubt it will be more than 250. Battery temperature and coupé temperature before start is also important, I don't see you mention this in this test.

[@waldemarii]

@4:33 They still use same back ground picture from e-golf. :D

[@johnchartrand5910]

Very nice numbers

[@JPetr94]

It would be useful to put eGolf36 results to the comparison - to see how the new model compares to predecessor. Sadly, ID3 is way more thirsty, +25-35% according to TB shiiiet (worth to mention, eGolf test was much warmer, however it doesn't justify the difference IMO).

[@Gresteh]

The ID.3 has a lot of room for improvement energy wise, it seems that it's hvac uses a lot of energy, both for heating the cabin and heating the battery, i've used ecalc to simulate a route for those temperatures and it seems that the ID.3 is using about 30Wh/km to warm up the car and the battery, for both 90 and 120kmh, that's a little high and i suspect that VW can tweak the BMS to reduce consumption, in top of that i also suspect that the heat pump efficiency can be improved a little. In any case, the main culprit for ID.3's winter consumption or with the eGolf compared with summer's is aerodynamics, the ID.3 is taller than the eGolf so it has a larger surface area and that increases aerodynamic drag, in top of that air at cold temperatures is more dense so aerodynamic drag increases by a lot.

[@mkmproductions9257]

I have a turquoise ID.3, but the color of the car in the displays are still white, so they have not fixed that. I have the latest software version called Me 2.0 (0873). The big software update that will come in the 1st quarter 2021 is Me 2.1.

[@benoit6026]

The fact that the battery is warmer when you drive at 120 km/h than 90 km/h, explains perhaps why you had less auxiliary consumption at high speed, on your test without inside heating. HVAC power may be less necessary in that case for battery warming.

[@gutschgutscher2609]

Thanks for your great work. Let's hope that VW really watches your videos. It would be a good idea to optimize the heat pump of the ID3 for example.

[@fjph8826]

Due to the current functioning of the heat pump I am on the point to swap it for HUD+Travel Assist on my Enyaq iV80 which is on order. I can't see the real benefits of the heatpump in a climate around -5c / +10c in wintertime (where I live). HUD/Travel Assist are options I can enjoy every day and iV80 as 77kW battery. Any opinions on this?

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

nextmove tested it and it did not work the right way. probably a software bug

[@fjph8826]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Thanks. I already selected fast charging at 125kW. I have a lease contract for 5 years. On my current configuration I can swap the Heatpump for TravelAssist and HUD for no additional costs. Based on your comment do I understand correctly that that is a wise thing to do?

[@gutschgutscher2609]

@@fjph8826 Absolutely...there's no proof so far that the heat pump of the ID3 has a positive effect on the consumption. There are rumours spreading that VW is hiding problems with the heat pump. A famous KZbinr (NEXTMOVE) did a test and was very disappointed.

[@TL-xv9of]

The YT ads are annoying, literally every five minutes. Good test though and yes the car is now even more schmutzig :-)

[@oophus1]

Will be interesting to see what exactly they will do with the charging update scheduled for summer 2021 for the 130kW upgrade, and 40 km longer range on the 77kWh battery. The 58kWh should get around 30km longer range then, where they expain the range increase to be because of thermal management adjustments. The 130kWh upgrade is scheduled to hit around summer, while the 170kW upgrade for the big 77kWh battery is scheduled to hit winter 2021.

[@o00scorpion00o]

Kw is meaningless really, it's the total time to charge or the amount of Kwh delivered in xx minutes or the charge curve that matters, 130 is fine but not a lot of good if it can only take 130 Kw for 5 mins or less.

[@oophus1]

@@o00scorpion00o I doubt the "upgrade" is in fact a "downgrade". So I expect the charging curve to just shift upwards, thus result being higher average kW.

[@matthiasmuller5173]

Have you ever testet the difference between D and B Mode under nearly identical conditions?

[@oljeboms]

Hi Bjørn Have you done range testing by not using the AC? Just using the standard heater. I see in your videos that you have the AC on normally.

[@williamerazo3921]

Same here in the states

[@Quickyprd]

Test good for me. Need range in winter min. 250km at 50-60km/h avg. speed. Tow hook for bikes And bigger inside than Kona. Thx

[@x1er0r73]

is there any tool like "scan my tesla" to analyse some ID.3 CAN data ?

[@gintautaskorinth5862]

Björn, the consumption is shocking high when comparing with the data indicated by VW. Thank you for the test.

[@gintautaskorinth5862]

@@abraxastulammo9940 How VW explains the huge difference between their indication of WLTP, that data of Kona, Model 3 and Björn s data? Could you post please that data here to help potential buyers with the decision?

[@gintautaskorinth5862]

@@AlanTov Therefore, VW should state clear for the buyer that their real consumption values differ significantly more from WLTP values than in other cars like Kona and Model 3.

[@robertwestman2646]

När kommer testen med Mustang Mach-E?

[@hassesolo1]

My 2020 e-Up! only has about 40% of the summer range in -15C. I still get to work and back but i have to charge every day.

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

Expensive? Or can you charge at home?

[@hassesolo1]

@@jdnrotterdam2150 I mostly charge at work because i have unlimited charging included in my parking for 25 euro/month. I have a charger at home as well. Not expensive.

[@Evphonehome]

How is traction in snow? Actually have the same question for Tesla 3SR+... Maybe interesting to test?

[@sekopiski]

Well that just depends on the tires.

[@st4849]

When will you test the ID4, do you know? I'm curious how does the 77kWh model compare to the 64kWh e-Niro in terms of range.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope

[@Anonymous-ci3ku]

🔔 Notification Squad! 🔔

[@Brainiaccccc]

at what rate does battery loose charge when parked in winter? It has to keep itself above 0, right?

[@billmccann8836]

205 Kilometres range.. Ouch! Not good when VW dealers are talking about 320.. 😳 Leaf 62 Kwh would beat that comfortably and is a very similar price. Is that because it is more efficient or because it's not spending energy controlling battery pack temperature? 🤔

[@Adam2006aya]

When you will do id3 77kwh battery range test ?

[@schunkelndedschunke6914]

374km in Summer 280km in Winter (25%less)

[@fsb6406]

10 years old Japanese tech vs brand new German engineering please!!!🙏 Leaf 62kwh should have a little bit worse consumption numbers under the same conditions but not that much. It would be interesting to see the results you get from a Leaf "10 years old technology" vs this VW Id3 with the "latest EV technology" in the market.

[@jirizima2826]

Hi ,which car would you prefer,t this car or Peugeot e 2008 GT?Thank you for the mind and reply Jirka

[@pawelzebrowski683]

Volkswagen is in different league , only koreans can compare and of course tesla

[@TravelGN]

When is ID4?

[@graycrow]

Who needs a cold drink in the winter?

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

a coke addict :-) well, drinking warm coke is disgusting :-)

[@automatix5]

2:59 and it has even wheels :D

[@CK-be3hf]

Try D-Mode, way more efficient on constantly (Highway) driving conditions like yours in the latest tests - Try and compare with B-Mode, you will see

[@bjornnyland]

Nope

[@CK-be3hf]

@@bjornnyland kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2raY2WFZbepnc0

[@CK-be3hf]

By the way - only in D-Mode you get the Eco-Assistance Mode for less consumption!

[@bjornnyland]

I watched the video and to be honest it was useless. He didn't do a proper test to compare D mode against B mode. And you totally misunderstood how D mode and B mode works. On highways, B mode and D mode will have the exact same efficiency because you use very little regen. This guy's video only explained the basics of loss with regen in which I agree with. But on highway, using B or D mode is irrelevant for consumption.

[@MichaelEricMenk]

This is correct in hybrid cars, the reason is that in B, the engine will also be used for slowing down. On EVs, it's only what you prefer, and not what's most efficient.

[@LeicaM11]

„Schmucktish“?😂 This is a really great car. I do not like the interior so much, but the driving values.

[@lastlondon]

I cannot understand why they put drum brakes at the back.. seems they tried to save one penny too many. Brakes matter, particularly in winter and when leaving home going down the mountain first thing in a heavy EV; regen is not available immediately and drum brakes overheat way too fast.

[@reineroberhaus]

Yea ID 4 , im waiting for.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

to big for me but a beautiful and good car.

[@rubenbraekman4515]

@@stefanweilhartner4415 it's big?

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@rubenbraekman4515 the ID4 is not big but too big for me. i need golf class size

[@Ram_M]

Hi Bjorn, if the car didn’t have a heat pump (like in a UK car) what distance could be achieved at -2 C approx. ?

[@Ram_M]

Ie. Would a heat pump be a required option?

[@bjornnyland]

Heat pump is standard in Norway.

[@PetteriSteigen]

Can anyone tell me why VW dont make a EV that looks like Passat? Would be an awesome family car.

[@remco6816]

Its comming its called the ID. Vision.

[@EV.Furkan]

ID.5 Codename: Space Vizzion. Passat Estate/Station

[@jurgenbartz7840]

What are the offroad capabilities? Can it transport pigeons?

[@flipadavis]

Nope. Only rated for canaries.

[@joenavarro2973]

Bjorn cold weather testing data will accelerate ev quality massively, I think Tesla may put double pane rear windows and insulation in the trunk because of these reviews.

[@Gresteh]

Actually it's mostly physics, there is not much that can be done to reduce winter consumption, for the ID.3 you could reduce it by 30wh/km at most, but not much more... in order to get further reductions you would have to redesign the body as most of the consumption comes from aerodynamic drag that is increased due to lower temperatures (the lower the temperature the denser the air). Increasing insulation may give yo a few wh/km decrease in winter but at the same time it would increase it consumption during summer as it has to use more HVAC to lower the car's temperature as the car would heat up more due to the sun.

[@Gresteh]

@@starsundsternchen802 yeah, but there are lightweight solutions like aerogel based insulators, so weight is less of an issue.

[@jeez3k]

Big difference between summer and winter, no?

[@Anonymous-ci3ku]

✅

[@schunkelndedschunke6914]

25%

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

Mister Nyland. i have a question How much costs public charging in your area per 100km?. ( in Euro’s please) netherlands is €5,50 per 100 km in towns and city's normale public charging. And €9,75 fast charging on fastned on highways.

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

That is cheap man. Here it is expensive. It’s the same price a month like a fossil car that is good on gas. Like a regular prius or something. I drive 240 km a week. It was not cheap

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

You don’t see ionity here. We have have ugly grey chargers from the governmet. And on the highway with the fast chargers also. It calls fastned and it’s everywhere the same in holland

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

10 ionity chargers in complete holland. Plus they are far away from me. No wonder i never seen them

[@chriss2295]

“Stingy mode”

[@sie4431]

I think it'd be interesting to see a summer test of this car for comparison but something like 20-30 degrees since 13 is pretty cool.

[@bjornnyland]

Already tested. Check out my channel.

[@swmike]

I'm very curious what the CO2, humidity and temperature is over time when you're doing these tests, especially while camping. Would you mind buying an Airthings Wave Plus (or similar device) that can measure this over time and bring with you in the cars, and report the graphs at the end of each video? Thanks!

[@bjornnyland]

No need to. Just use auto on HVAC.

[@whuzzzup]

@@bjornnyland Any proofs any of those cars even have CO2 sensors? I doubt they do and a quick google search seems to agree. So I guess most HVAC will bleed air and constantly feed new air. Usually in a sealed car a normal person should fill 1000 ppm in ~30 minutes. So actual proper testing would be needed in regards to how good HVAC works.

[@Denkmaschine]

@@whuzzzup The ID.3 equipped with a heatpump has a CO2 sensor, the regular one does not.

[@HelloMyFriend_]

Hi. Does the 45 kw have a max limit of 50 kw charging?

[@bjornnyland]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4LZn3ippJmgi6M

[@HelloMyFriend_]

Doesn't quite answer my question. Does the id3, with the 45 kwh battery, have a ceiling of 50 kw charge limit? Meaning you can't hit 100 kw charge on a super charger.

[@thorarnerugsveen5794]

Why not test a car without liquid battery system, like Zoe or Leaf, in the same weather conditions?

[@lukezi3952]

Shit cars

[@Alessandro-nq3tm]

There is no lockdown in Norway?

[@nuduakj]

It is, see: www.regjeringen.no/en/topics/koronavirus-covid-19/corona-information-in-other-languages/id2814563/#English

[@henryandrews2011]

Or is he driving for his work?

[@bjornnyland]

No lockdown unlike many other countries.

[@rubenbraekman4515]

@@bjornnyland must be nice 😭

[@Alessandro-nq3tm]

@@bjornnyland whoa you're lucky. In Italy we are struggling

[@Tobi-ln2cj]

Cool Video :) But i have a question. Are you a german speaker? :) You use german words every now and then. I like that but it makes me curois :)

[@RuneVenes]

I think those is the only word he can. It's a german car....

[@adrianguggisberg3656]

This isn't actually a very good result, is it? Consumption is the same or slightly worse than 30kWh SoulEV on wet roads. Hmmm...

[@keefyboy]

Why do many people track speed with GPS? GPS does not account for elevation changes. When traveling up or down inclines the distance the car travels is futher than if you tracked how far along the car traveled the perfect sphere of the earth from a satellite. Think of the concept that states that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

[@bjornnyland]

But if the GPS test is done on a flat road, it should be accurate, right?

[@keefyboy]

@@bjornnyland True. But no roads are perfectly flat and the variance gets magnified as the distance traveled gets longer and longer. I even think changing lanes will also cause a variance.

[@OrganicStuff1]

What does studless Mean?

[@trondedvardsen]

No pigs in the decks :-/

[@peterjamison1756]

Does this model have a heat pump?

[@bjornnyland]

Standard

[@2ftpmarco]

0:44 low temperature

[@sfabbas525]

I have issues while charging at home. Stop charging after few seconds.

[@Alex-qx7jn]

This is the "no heatpump" version, right?

[@raokland]

All ID3's in Norway have heat pump afaik.

[@markuspaulini912]

hmm, after watching a couple of id3 videos "some" info is getting repetitive... ;)

[@thrash1337]

yoo what's upp

[@scotty9946]

Why do they display xxkWh/h It should just be xxkW

[@graycrow]

As engineer, I think kWh/h is just wrong and stupid and VW is dumbing people down, but to my surprise there are people here who think this is the right way to go. I'm tired of arguing with them and personally would never buy a car from a company which uses this stupid unit instead of just kW.

[@scotty9946]

@@Pienimusta which is kW... if you use 2kW over 2 hours that's 4kWh... you don't say 2kWh/h you say 2kW

[@graycrow]

@@Pienimusta I don't think it is. I have watched enough ID.3 videos to conclude that it shows an instantaneous power consumption, because it changes rapidly depending on different power consumers being switched on an off (like a heater for example).

[@scotty9946]

@@Pienimusta So do chargers show you xxkW or xxkW/h? Does Bjorn say he charged at an average of xxkW or xxkW/h?

[@mitjap]

Imagine it as energy/time. It could as well be joules/hour [J/h]. Then substitute joules with any other unit. It can be litres/h or kWh/h.

[@pleymo112]

VW did not fix the color of the car... It’s just because you have a white one. You can see the wheels are not the one of the PLUS trim and the vehicle appears more « metallic grey » than white in the information system

[@arsni23]

Yes thats probably right. Maybe this is a feature VW will bring with OTA. It would be a nice detail.

[@bjornnyland]

Wow, you must be fun at parties. I was making a joke there.

[@pleymo112]

@@bjornnyland sorry i didn’t catch that one... I was being factual that’s all

[@poxer1]

So the ID 3 is not bad but not as good as Model 3? So why people decide to buy VW over Tesla? Is it cheaper or there is something else?

[@poxer1]

@@abraxastulammo9940 So basically, the ID 3 is a decent car which has better lease deals and better insurance. Maybe the starting price is also lower?

[@schunkelndedschunke6914]

...better light ...quality ...better cavity protection ...low noise ...tailgate but mainly, if they have problems with the car they dont want to drive hundred or more km to the next service center.

[@poxer1]

@@schunkelndedschunke6914 so basically, while OEMs need to improve self driving, efficiency, software, Tesla has to improve the dealership network and the service network and build quality. Then the range and the self driving on tesla are better but self driving features will be bought or hired by the OEMs from third party companies and the range should also improve with time. So the game is on and the OEMs will give a good fight to the US tech giants who have unlimited cash.

[@olaflanfermann7343]

Does the ID3 Plus (medium trim) in Norge have a heatpump? It is not the case in Germany.

[@olejq]

It has, baseline 1st as well

[@SamuraiTacos1]

ohhhhhhhh shitttttttttttttt

[@ryen7512]

Watching this video while pouting about never being able to get an ID3 in America...

[@rubenbraekman4515]

We are all watching this without being able to buy giant american trucks and suv's

[@johnson8c]

Yo what's up

[@JK-iz7is]

The car looks nice, but it´s just not a good as, you know... The only advantage of a VW e-car are in my eyes potencially cheaper spare parts, since Tesla repairs will break your bank for sure.

[@gerbre1]

That's 25% less range in winter compared to summer which is quite normal for EVs.

[@bjornnyland]

Model 3 gets only 10-15 % lower range in winter. But that's the exception.

[@NiekvanderMaas]

-35% at 120... Do not the best

[@gerbre1]

@@starsundsternchen802 The power comes from the motors not the battery. It‘s not driving that stresses the battery but fast charging esp. a cold battery. This is why the BMS of both cars warm up the battery.

[@erikincph]

You are not drinking cokes anymore?

[@cedricpomerleau5586]

If you’re on 18 inch wheels instead of 19, you should be having tire with bigger side walls and the whole tire should be the exact same height. Else, the speedometer will be wrong, the trip will be wrong and even the traction control might not work properly.

[@gudadryckful]

Imagine electric cars in 10 years

[@TriviaChallenge]

10 years ago they went 80 miles max. In 10 years they will easily exceed ICE cars if you wish.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@TriviaChallenge and charge time is dropping from nearly an hour to less than 30mins, some cars can charge in less than 20 mins. 10 years later we’ll have charge in 5 minutes!

[@rubenbraekman4515]

@@harsimranbansal5355 that all depends on the battery tech, if tesla can make their new batteries come true then we will see that for sure

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

In 10 years the average man don’t drive car because he can’t pay it anymore. All with public transportation or bicycles

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@rubenbraekman4515 yes and battery tech is improving rapidly. Who knows, maybe there will be a new technology in 10 years that doubles the range, and thus half the cost per kWh. We’re already seeing this happen if you compare energy density to 10 year old batteries vs the 4680 or even 2170 that Tesla is using!

[@MacGyver1908]

First 👌

[@Anonymous-ci3ku]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@nunolp9067]

Amazing car even with extreme conditions!

[@sergeyrudnitskiy7579]

Björn, thanks indeed. If you will check EU marking on any tire site you will find out R3 in this dimension (215/55R18) is not silent, it is 73 dB. For me everything over 69 dB is loud. So, this car itself is really good insulated. Sehr gut Germans, sehr gut )))

[@edmundhayes1840]

You came too early. My wife says the same thing

[@AnilManandhar]

volkswagen fixed it!! hahahaha

[@pawelzebrowski683]

Leaf is losing

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

for me, the consumption at 150km/h is the most important value because this comes closer to long distance driving in my case. if the car is not perfectly efficient in the city, i don't give a fuck. i don't drive 400km in the city in a day. i might drive 50km worst case and then i am on my own parking spot where i can charge.

[@POTThaesslich]

If you want to drive an average of 150 km/h then EVs are not for you.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@POTThaesslich ok, then i drive my stinky old diesel, it can do 240km/h

[@gvi341984]

-Infotainment system is so sluggish -software causing weird low speed charging issues -0.26 coefficient kinda sucks -infotainment terrible GUI; they should have displayed similar to a smartphone.

[@MarcFauntleroy]

Schmutz 😄

[@sfabbas525]

Paid review. Bjørn stop doing fake testing.