VW Volkswagen ID.4 8 months later range and efficiency review in real-world use. Software OK now?

[@RSEV]

Near the end I say we get Model Y beg of 2023 🤦‍♂️. I mean 2022! Jan/Feb hopefully….

[@kanodelta]

You also said back at base with the ID3 but we knew what you meant 😂

[@scottwills4698]

It will probably be 2023 🙊

[@virtualmartijn]

Got confused at the end of the vid (09:00 mark): efficiency is not related to battery size. It's nice that it all sort of ends up at 400 kilometers for the Id4 and the Tesla MY but to get there you would need to charge more into the ID4 (and certainly into the EV6 as we're seeing from Teslabjorn's video's). Kind of when a car running 1:20 with a 50 liter tank gets as far as a car running 1:10 with a 100 liter tank. The second one is going to be significantly more expensive to run.

[@marknewman6037]

After this video decided to get the ID4, went to VW dealer in Gloucester on 20th December, told them I wanted a ID4 Max in white, they saw one on the computer, it shipped out from Germany on 23rd December, arrived on the 5th, and I take delivery on Monday 10th January.............great service. Good to see its cheaper to insure than my Touareg.

[@PedroBrandaodrums]

I’m very happy with my ID.4 here in the USA bought in Sep 2021. Car is quiet, spacious, comfortable great for road trips.

[@dposborn70]

i picked up my 71 plate 1st addition yesterday and travled 226 miles from Harrogate to london, stayed between 60-65 mph on the motorways. Left on 96% battery. on arrival i still had 106 miles left on the battery! Charged back upto 100% (55.5 kWh added) and was showing a reang of 308 miles. Outside temp was around 20 degrees.

[@jonathansmith5850]

Quite impressive. Glad VW have fixed the ‘bugs’ as that was a bug bear with so many videos I saw about the ID series

[@scottwills4698]

VW have promised cold weather range and charging improvements from software V3 (installed from the factory from December, OTA update on existing cars early 2022) there is new trim and equipment from December too.

[@3xLau]

Thanks for good video as always. I can see that Id.4 has not got the latest firmware (2.3) yet, after it gets even better. And after 3.0 for the spring, the debt will never end ;-)

[@ranualfhunter1869]

Great stuff, this is what us buyers like to see- real world stuff, not on a track. keep up the great work. We take delivery of our Kona 64kw today, it will be great, and no home charger(no drive) and the cost of getting one out weighs the simplicity of just plug n go like Richard does.

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Fab video, as always, Richard - great to watch 😎

[@thomassoderqvist4666]

Good video as always. Thanks!

[@chrisrowe22]

It will be interesting to see the effect of this weeks colder weather on the ranges of the various cars.

[@RSEV]

It’s going to be an epic group test !

[@id.4evker628]

30 percent less in winter.

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Colder weather affects all types of cars - ICE powered as well as EVs. My previous car - a Prius - would happily do 60-65mpg in summer, then drop to 45-48mpg in winter. It's just you 'notice' it more in an EV because you have the GOM predicted range display on the dash, rather than noticing you're filling up with petrol / diesel more often in an ICE car....!

[@Bessunger]

I compared ID.4 to MY over apps. 200 mls., MY was 25% more efficient than ID.4 in similar conditions... However, ID.4 was more comfortable. Isn't there an ID.4 - MY Hybrid out there? Thanks for this very practical Vid.

[@DarrellC.]

Yeah, the Mach E.

[@JK-NOT-JK]

Currently on week 3 with an iD4 courtesy car. It's a 2021 Pro model with the 77kw battery. Cons: - Range is shocking and I’ve only averaged 2kw/mile in last 6 hours driving; which is an effective range of 140 - 150 miles! It's chilly and I'm being quite heavy footed to try and gauge a worst case value, but still, that’s unacceptable. Local country driving, no motorways. - The software / user interface is very, very, very laggy. It’s horrible. - The always “on” lane assist is crap. If I turn it off, I'd like it to stay off! - The display / multi-media user interface design is terrible. So bad I’ll probably never get used to the heating [lack of] controls. - At night it’s not possible to adjust the heating because the sliders do no illuminate and I don't want to use a voice assistant. (And passengers can't access the voice assistant button.) - Haptic buttons are terrible. - It’s not possible to see the controls near my right knee when driving (heated screen etc). - It's not quick once you've gone past 20 mph. - Speaker / sound quality is just average. - Odd electrical gremlins. - Some cheap plastics; especially the center of the dash near the windscreen which produces lots of reflections. - My first public charging experience was a disaster. Not VW’s fault. But getting an app, setting up an account, adding a credit card, pre paying to the account, and then the PodPoint charger wouldn’t release the cable once charged! Pros: - Ride is good at regular speeds. - A quiet drivetrain is great for local journeys. - Build quality seems fine. - Heated steering wheel is great. - Good rear legroom. Conclusion: The "cons" are sufficient to put me off wanting an electric VW car given it's only viable for local journeys. So, way too many compromises given the price of the car. I'm now contemplating cancelling my Model Y order.

[@vizik8]

Great video. Don't know why UK has all the latest RHD EV, but not in HK here.

[@AFXGuru]

I do like your channel and you are an excellent presenter (in addition to running your company). I'm about to order my first EV - Choices Choices Choices... Audi Q4, ID4 or wait for ID5???? Hyundai or Kia?!?!? I've been an Audi Driver for 20 years currently driving an A5 Sportback so was leaning towards the Q4 but I don't like my wife's Q5 that much. I worry about Tesla build quality and what I've heard not great post-sale service whereas with Audi - you get exceptional customer service after you buy a vehicle. Decisions Decisions. Great Channel again - keep up the fantastic work.

[@RSEV]

Thanks for kind words. Big group test being filmed tomorrow: ID4, ev6, Tesla 3(in lieu of Y), ioniq5, mustang

[@SDK2006b]

The Q4 Sportback e-tron looks nice. It’s basically an ID4 with a better interior and actual buttons for key functions. Or, the BMW i4 is another option.

[@peterwiseman]

Well done, insightful content

[@maxgreece1]

Have you done any range tests in a model 3 in chill mode? Asking because we seem to be getting the same range 250 miles/400 klm in an SR+. Obviously hard to compare driving styles. We are kinda laid back in that respect.

[@RSEV]

250 is very efficient. Long driven similarly would be 300+ I always try and keep a balance so very much not trying or being conservative. Always possible to do better and worse

[@craigmck7271]

I’d be really interested if you can repeat the charging issues on the EV6 that Bjorn Nyland has seen when running the AC/Heater at the same time. He demonstrated it on the Ioniq5

[@RSEV]

Charges much slower in the cold

[@craigmck7271]

@@RSEV Thanks he showed when you had the heating on the charge rated dropped dramatically. Something to do with it not having a separate battery cooling system.

[@bigbullstony43]

Great video again chaps. Any chance of doing a bit of in depth regarding the V2L capability of the EV6. Will it work when the vehicle is locked and can you get a continuous amount of energy from the vehicle to power utilities.

[@vicheaterx]

Second question, answer is yes, the sine wave is actually very clean (but stil has a reasonable output limit, keep it under 2.5 kW and you will be fine). First one, I would say it won't work with the car locked but some existing owners ask questions about weatherproofed appliances and appliance cables that they use outside of the car (it also has an interior V2L socket) so one would expect that to work with the car closed. However, I am sure the car also has some protection against electron-jacking :) by someone charging their car from your EV6 V2L's external socket :D Really curious to see how it is in reality.

[@mihaicurelaru923]

Great video. My Id4 is a real disaster. I have a real range of 250 km at 100%.

[@garybibby2698]

Harpenden near Luton? The residents will be apoplectic with rage at being aligned with the Luton massive!

[@RSEV]

😬😂

[@TheRetroShed]

Just ordered an ID 4 Pro Performance today. Dread to think what the delivery will be on it! 6 months or so?!

[@MrGMawson2438]

Very interesting mate

[@simongibbs3936]

Enjoyed that thanks. I have been putting off getting my first EV as I can’t decide which to get. I did like the ID3/4 except for the dash and the haptic buttons. Now you have done some miles how do you get on with them?

[@RSEV]

I like them. My wife has ID3 now 👍

[@djwarren5081]

@@RSEV I'd love an EV as my next vehicle, but as I don't drive every day, all the talk about the 12v batteries dying in them concerns me.

[@bigbullstony43]

@@djwarren5081 had my mg for 8 months theres no problems with the 12v battery on my car. Think the 12v thing comes from the original tesla S with it's vampire drain but that not a thing on other makes of EV. Tesla say to keep your vehicle charging all the time and keep it topped up to 80%. The tesla is always on unlike most ev so there's always a bit of drain. From personal experience of my MG there's no drain because it's dumb. The mg is just a battery of a body with no bells and whistles.

[@jonathantaylor1998]

@@djwarren5081 I wouldn't let that concern you one bit. I bought a £9,500 2017 Leaf as my first EV nearly 2 years ago now - no issues what-so-ever. Also, though I've never 'noticed' it myself, I'm told that, should there be some 12v battery drain, the traction battery then trickle-charges it back up.

[@chrischild3667]

Nice video again 👍. Have you seen BatteryLife's channel where he showed the amount of kWh put in to each car in comparison to the vehicle's stated efficient m/kWh? The Tesla's all put in 10-15% more kWhs than the actual trip meter reports via m/kWh reading. I.e. Teslas put energy into actively heating/cooling the battery during the charge process, energy which doesn't make it to the wheels. So they are efficient cars on the road but they will cost more at the 'pump' than what you'd expect given said efficiency. Is this something you can corroborate if so, worth factoring in to the group test videos?

[@SDK2006b]

There are 5-10% charging losses. Nothing is 100% efficient.

[@chrischild3667]

@@SDK2006b thanks. I said 10-15%. Charge losses obviously nowhere near that level usually. Have a look at the video there are a lot of EVs compared kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJukqJR8Z66YpZY

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Did you see how many kWh went "into" the Lucid? 😱

[@pam00088]

As a Harpenden resident I am curious why you stopped at Toddington atfer pick up - was there another stop to make or was this a strategic charging stop that was worth doing even though you were heading the wrong way to get there? Looking at Zapmap, this general area looks to be very thin on public chargers.

[@neilbutler8411]

Any plans for q4 etron content/review?

[@steveholderness1450]

I have a Peugeot e-208 and the lane keep assist has been turned off since day one! Doesnt default back to on.

[@buzzofftoxicblog791]

Saw the old Seris green LWB Land Rover just out side New Forest 🙂 When I see that Landy know Barton on Sea near. Had a test drive id4 great car but bit big bit dull for my but think it will sell lots as people love dull big SUVs. Kie 6 looking more interesting but the Tesla sloons cool low sleek fast and fun 😁.

[@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit]

Unlike Teslas the ID4 automatically increases speed as it goes through speed gates.I was surprised as Tesla said EU rules stopped it being allowed. Ive had 3 Teslas and so far I’m impressed with my id4 max

[@rod2625]

Waiting for your take on the ID4 AWD. Hope their next iteration has LFP Batteries, 800v charging and a bit more range.

[@JamesWhited]

Did you try to warm the car up before starting via the app?

[@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit]

How is it possible that VW still haven’t updated many id4s to version 3? The new version is either right or wrong. If right it should be in all cars within a couple of weeks NOT years. VW say they are waiting for the factory to finish it! Great car but wow how slow vw are to do the basics.

[@connor25]

Really need to mention the KW each time, as there are different batteries.

[@chargeheadsuk]

How do you think it compares to the Skoda Enyaq? 🤔

[@slainiae]

You should consider keeping an Excel sheet which will record your real-world experiences.

[@Stewiedude1]

Yes and a recap at the end with some figures so that when you want to quickly double check, before pulling the trigger on a car, you don't have to scroll through 10 minute videos for salient points.

[@robburrows2737]

The scheduled charging feature in the ID.4 is simply not fit for purpose. I've had mine back to the dealer. There was nothing they could do. There's been no software update since I bought it 6 months ago. If I switch on from indoors it only charges at an attenuated 1kWh rate. I have to go outside at night in all weathers to plug it in in the early morning to take advantage of my low night tariff - then I have to set an alarm at 4:30am to switch it off. I'm in the UK and VW did nothing to correct the wrong information about the Prolife model here. Unlike the one in the states there's no reversing camera or automatically dipping headlights or automatically switching on of windscreen wipers or MW radio. It's a disgrace for a £41k vehicle- I'll be getting a Model Y to replace it with.

[@klackon1]

Another informative video: thanks a lot. Are EV's without heat pumps at a disadvantage, and have you observed any issues relating to the lack of a rear wiper on the Model Y, EV6 and Ionic5?

[@SDK2006b]

I have a Polestar 2 and the lack of a rear wiper is the only negative point of the car. This time of year the rear screen is always covered in condensation, which for the school run (5 miles) is very annoying ! It's better when the car is covered in ice because the heating enabled from the App clears it all in 5 minutes.

[@djwarren5081]

The VW website says that a heat pump (optional extra), improves efficiency and therefore, range. Why not fit one as standard then?

[@SDK2006b]

@@djwarren5081 - In some areas where it would be a more obvious benefit - like the Nordic countries - it is included as standard. It was left as an option in other places to keep the cost down.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@djwarren5081 Because you might not get your money back from the savings it provides within your ownage timeframe. VW nowadays only promises up to 40% less energy spent for heating.

[@M4rc34]

I’m quite disappointed with my 52kwh id4. Owning 12 months only getting 2.6miles/kWh. I’m looking at changing to Tesla

[@paulscott1759]

You need the 77kwh model

[@stevenbarrett7648]

It just looks dull as dishwater, I had a look at one but didn’t bother with a test drive, specs seem slow at the get-go, have VW reduced its 0 to 60 so as not to detract from their sportier ICE performance cars ?.

[@UhOhUmm]

It's a VW them being dull is the point? And also probably yes, they don't want to kill their own business by making EV's faster than their "sporty" cars. There is a GTX model which is plenty fast for the road.

[@RigiLiquid945]

What economic EV car has the best miles/kWh (Kona, perhaps)?

[@ben3989]

Probably the leaf. Since your post Nissan has lowered the price

[@stefan2796]

VW has a nasty habit in pushing products onto the market, which have not been fully tested/developed yet. Just wait a couple of years and then the EV's from VW will hopefully give less trouble... (and have a lower salesprice!).

[@djwarren5081]

You did call it an id3 when you got back to base.

[@RSEV]

🤦‍♂️😬

[@BarryMakariou]

If you kept up a steady 77/80mph on the motorway would it return more like 200miles?

[@SDK2006b]

The faster you drive the less range you will have due to increased wind resistance. Above 80mph efficiency drops off massively.

[@djwarren5081]

Does it have the heat pump?

[@RSEV]

Nope…

[@spikebmth]

Lots of the Kona owners moan about LKA on their facebook page too!

[@briankavanagh7191]

LKA???

[@spikebmth]

@@briankavanagh7191 sorry, Lane Keep Assist

[@briankavanagh7191]

@@spikebmth me too I just keep it off.

[@chiton79]

After 10000 km, I can say that in my ID.4 software has still many lags

[@DaraM73]

Nothing much has changed. March for V3 update.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Interim update (at the dealer) neccessary for pre-MJ22 IDs to improve thermal sw and make more components OTA capable.

[@mcrkon]

It's ID.4 not ID.3.I know, it was a long drive.

[@RSEV]

🤦‍♂️😂

[@caractacus22]

As a diesel driver, I have 450 range from full, I then pop into a garage which takes 5 mins for another 450 . I don’t think about it. Also I don’t make videos about range anxiety.

[@qazim4805]

Where is Ginc ?

[@RSEV]

Gints busy with other duties (mainly editing!) that day, but he’ll be around in others soon!

[@powersurge6878]

Gints is in pretty much all the other videos because he’s usually camera man but I think I did ok in the background too 😁💁🏻‍♂️

[@MegaWilderness]

Why don't you just set your units to metric than trying to mix miles with metric kW/hrs? Don't you see how idiotic it sounds. I'm in the UK too.

[@RSEV]

Because we unfortunately still use imperial measurement in the uk. When driving our displays are in mph. The efficiency is reported in miles/kWh as a result. Not many can report at same time in different units. You choose metric or imperial in car settings basically. If I set the car(s) to display and report km then I won’t know if I’m driving at speed limit without converting. Impractical I think you’d agree, no? I also cannot convert mi/kWh to km/kWh or kWh/100km etc in my head whilst driving and filming. When time allows, we show converted numbers in text overlay on the edit, but it also isn’t too hard for someone to calculate to their preferred unit of measurement. Or am I still sounding idiotic?

[@Twidile1]

Hi, My wife charged her Kona at a free 50kw Charge place Scotland rapid charger, she left it on for 2 house 7 minutes. [ you no what wimen are like , went shopping ] had a look at the account and car took on 68.37kw , probably had about 20% charge left before it started . Has any one got a figure or % on the Angels share . Kw that seem to disappear.

[@RSEV]

Got to be careful don’t break charge etiquette and only use rapids if need them, and even then only for as short a time as you can. Others must have them available for long journies of course. Try and use destination type chargers when shopping. But anyway, more electric will come out of the charger then can go into battery and that’s due to thermal losses basically. Inefficiencies when charging.

[@davidmason1919]

A little bit clunky as though the editing was rushed, soz.

[@JamesWhited]

Can you believe the app does not do trip planing? How in the world did Ford do that and VW could not! So bottom line VW did not even try. So, these guys ramble on and do not even mention trip planning.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Hello mate

[@danny.b]

Is that your boyfriend sitting right next to you?😂😂😂

[@Hiltsuk1]

I hear Volkswagen has stopped making electric cars for two weeks due to the lack of chips 😫

[@RSEV]

Yes it’s a severe issue affecting all manufacturers. I don’t get why they just are not resolving it faster. I heard new model Ys will not have wireless phone chargers now - will have to be added later…

[@craigmck7271]

@@RSEV There are very few places that make the initial silicon plates, the biggest one had a fire. It’s now supply and demand unfortunately. Speculation says well into next year before it returns

[@JamesWhited]

Stupid. Nobody talks about how lame the software is. The Carnet app is ridiculous. Couldn’t they afford programmers? I can not believe Fordpass beats it by a mile.

[@AWIraq]

Just please . Be more shorter in speaking at the beginning of video . Just start your trip .

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

You NEVER recharge fully at ANY charging stop. Makes me wonder about the expertise of these reviewers. Also, it gets the same range as a Model Y and a LR Model 3 even though they have less battery available, but it gets the same efficiency? That doesn't add up.

[@yellowsnowman9157]

It adds up because Tesla lies about it's range.

[@charlessterling8375]

I have an ID4 which is fine but the software is horrendous, completely destroyed the car for me, I can't wait for the tesla model y out off berlin then the ID4 will be finished.

[@MrGMawson2438]

🤣