VZ g10 grips (686/install)

[@JoshBenware]

Please excuse the focus. I know it was going in and out like crazy.

[@alex1701waller]

josh benware, that's what she said!

[@JoshBenware]

Alex Waller Lol! Two dirty comments in a row. You're a bad boy ;)

[@donraines2373]

S&W 686 4” is the perfect revolver. Looks great with the new shoes. I might suggest a high viz front sight. Great video buddy!

[@JoshBenware]

Thanks bud! I was wanting to go with three dot sights. Wasnt sure if it would look weird, but I carry this most of the time for self defense so I guess looks aren't as important as good sights.

[@selaxlife7621]

I have the exact same gun with the exact same grips..I dont use locktite...what I do use is a rubber O-ring that u can buy from home depot.....use it as a lock washer and it will keep ur screw real tight...

[@normanmallory2055]

Well said... I now at this point own 4 sets of V Z Grips and like them very well .. I also own the same firearm you own model and caliber .. My first set of VZ grips was the 320 model which i really enjoy but after a year i ordered a set with the tactical diamonds and like those better as the diamonds give a more positive grip .. I carry every day in a high ride pancake holster the diamonds do not rub against my side in fact i don't even notice the firearm ..Hyena /Brown is the color of those grips ... Good choice .. I have had wood all my life on handguns some exotic woods too but i'm very happy with the G-10 material and grip quality , fit , form , function. No loc-Tite is required on the screw .. Let us know how well you do at the range now .

[@JoshBenware]

Thanks! They are great grips. This video was almost 2 years ago, so I have made some videos since this one using it. One video I made was shooting the FBI shooting quals with some stout 357 loads using these grips. I've concealed carried it in a houston holster appendix and it is like it's not even there almost.

[@p99guy]

I just picked up a 4” S&W 617 with those same factory grips... didn’t like them either... puchased and waiting on VZ grips, but did get the Tactical diamonds in the Black/ Blue color. Its a range gun, not for carry.

[@Tex_I_Can]

Those grips are sweeeet! Mft favorite revolver of all time us there 686. Nice upgrade!

[@JoshBenware]

New Texican thanks man! first revolver and so far I like it!

[@Powell_OBonez]

I was looking at some 686 videos to find more info on the 1 I purchased and Bam ... your video Showed up Josh ! I had the chance to get a 4" just like yours in the video and the 2+ 3/4" snubby. I also didn't like those black rubber grips so i chose the snubby because I Love the stock combat grips it came with so I bought it. Turns out it's a NO DASH 686 snubby which is quite rare. Now I don't want to carry or use it anymore because it's worth 4+ times more than I paid for it 😂 Looks like I'll have to find another to carry !

[@JoshBenware]

Wow! That'll just keep going up in value too

[@Powell_OBonez]

@JoshBenware I paid $1100 for it out the door and I've only seen 2 others for sale on gunbroker. ( 1 sold for $3500 + the other was over $4000 ) 😁 she's a beauty for sure !

[@Captain-Electro]

U know what, I think I'm gonna get some of those grips for my J-frame. Glad I saw this.

[@JoshBenware]

They are great grips. Price was pretty reasonable, they mold into the hand well, and they make the gun easy to conceal. I've had them on for almost half a year now and haven't thought about replacing them. Very nice grips. I think you'll love them brother

[@NEPAGUNTALK]

Awesome looking grips... Now I have to have them for my 686 !!!!!

[@JoshBenware]

They definitely make it easier to conceal. VZ makes top notch g10 grips. Plus, their prices are great too. Other grips of the same quality are charging double or more (150+ bucks) while these were only 75 I believe.

[@Ammo08]

You convinced me. I have been debating with myself to go with the VZ grips like yours or some wood grips for my s&w 66-8.

[@JoshBenware]

It's been a couple years and I'll still love them! Great choice for looks and concealment!

[@Ammo08]

@@JoshBenware How did the finger grooves line up for you? I've occasionally had problems with those...

[@JoshBenware]

@@Ammo08 it's a bit compact, but for carry, that is the tradeoff. I havent had much problems with the finger grooves. My problem is more how slim the grip is. I have large palms with long skinny fingers. I bought some pachmayr renegades. They are larger, which makes them easier for me to shoot and absorb recoil. Problem is concealment. I ended up going back to these.

[@Ammo08]

@@JoshBenware Finally getting around to responding. I got the grips, mine are black. Honestly, they're great. The finger grips work out well for me and the recoil is not hard to manage at all. I don't shoot hot 357s all the time anyway, mostly it's warm reloads or 38+P. The grips really help with the "pointability" of the pistol. Everything just works.

[@JoshBenware]

@@Ammo08 awesome! Glad they worked out for you. I really like them for carry. If it was just a range gun I'd prefer the rubber grips or the pachmayr renegades, but neither of those are good for carry. Also, the looks of the VZ grips are second to none. They just make you love the gun that much more.

[@wbwills2]

Nice.getting them now for sure. your video sealed the deal.SS 66-2 pre lock.2 1\2 barrel .original rubber pachmiyers.no idea manufacture date but good shape & .a set o those will be a drastic change for the better.any edc owb cc holster sugestions??thinking cross draw.dk.?.good point on getting smooth ones.diamond cut sanded down some maybe but leaning towards smooth right now.would suck to accidentally make a mess of them. My hands grip is plenty strong.thx. PS cool shirt

[@JoshBenware]

Burke Wills Awesome! I have I vid called "speed scabbard". It shows a good holster that conceals well. It's the holster I used on the vid "fbi shooting quals 357 mag". Check those vids out to see how well it carries and see how well it draws

[@wbwills2]

Thanks for your time.I'll look at that now.really appreciate it.looking for all the right gear can be time consuming.big time.have a good one

[@JoshBenware]

Burke Wills you too brother! Thanks for coming by!

[@philmulrooney7020]

Concealed Carry Cannon, you are THE MAN👍😂

[@JoshBenware]

😎😅 thanks for watching! I made an appendix carry holster for this. It's on my "686 sight install" vid. It actually more comfortable that semiautos.

[@Ammo08]

I reload my own 357s and 38s, I tend not to reload the target ammo past 1200 fps for the 357. The grip works fine at these pressures...however, at 1400-1500 fps the recoil is substantial. However, I do not think that in an emergency I will be too worried about recoil. I carry my Model 66 in a leather belt holster, it doesn't print under a big shirt...it is a really good grip.

[@267TPGR]

Look way better ,great revolver!

[@JoshBenware]

Thanks!

[@GHOSTLYIRONPISTOL]

I have noticed the rubber moving around the frame . I will look into purchasing better grips and sights.watched full and liked . Dam that looks nice, after some training @ the range would you go back to rubber grips .

[@JoshBenware]

The rubber grips are much less painful with warm 357 mag, but very hard to conceal.

[@pcbulletempire9872]

That made your revolver look great, very nice grips 👍👍👏👏🇺🇸🤓

[@JoshBenware]

PC BULLET EMPIRE thanks man! Sorry about the focus. I was still learning this camera/cell phone.

[@pcbulletempire9872]

josh benware my camera does the same thing

[@Scrubjay001]

I think the color is "dark hyena" (not dark coyote) or at least Amazon calls it that in 2023.

[@JoshBenware]

Thanks!

[@georgejohnsmith]

It looks great! And it is certainly better for concealed carry. I wonder when you start testing Underwood stuff in this beauty.

[@JoshBenware]

georgejohnsmith thanks! As far as underwood, the videos I've seen on underwood show it chronoing well under advertised velocity. Usually in other calibers it chronos above advertised. Not sure why it's so weak in 357 mag. I just got a 100 pack in the mail of Remington umc 125 grain semi-jacketed hp. They are old school, but I think they are very well designed. They are the ones Paul Harrell used on his 9 vs 357 video. He was getting around 1470 average. I've seen others get over 1500 average (scuba oz). I have a playlist were scuba oz tests it in gel. The jacket not covering the tip seems to make it expand better and even fragment violently. I'm not big on fragmenting ammo, but at that velocity, who cares about weight retention? It seems those fragments actually help at that velocity as opposed to gimmicky rounds that purposefully fragment.

[@JoshBenware]

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[@georgejohnsmith]

This is a funny (and informative) video. Again, I am positively surprised that you were able to overcome your immense distrust of anything that is... you know... anything, that is not... you know... You know what I am talking about.

[@JoshBenware]

georgejohnsmith life's too short to only ever carry a...well, you know. I'm going to take it out to the range one more time tomorrow before I carry it. Need to try out the new ammo. I normally run 100 rounds of carry ammo in my, you know, before I carry with that ammo. I think in a revolver that only running 50 of the carry round should be good enough. I'm not having to worry about whether it feeds well or anything. As long as the primer ignites and poa/poi is good, I think 50 rounds is good to go for testing we ammo.

[@georgejohnsmith]

As to the Underwood revolver velocities: the only advertised revolver cartridge velocities you can trust are from Remington, Winchester, and Federal. Those companies have agreed on using the 4" vented test barrel to establish their advertised velocities. Smaller companies, on the other hand, usually use unvented (and longer) barrels, which give significantly higher velocities.

[@jamespollard1670]

The new grips are much nicer !

[@JoshBenware]

Thank ya brother! I like them.

[@jacobharrod6912]

If you need to get a better grip on your gun I recommend the Captains of Crush grip strengthening products. I like those grips. I used blue Loctite on my 1911 grips as a temporary solution to the screws backing out. I think the blue Loctite would work on a permanent or semi permanent basis as well. I think VZ has some black and grey grips like that too. If I can ever get another 686 plus I'll be purchasing the black and grey if they have them. Is that the one with a 4" barrel?

[@JoshBenware]

Mr. Cool it does have the 4 in barrel. The grips have held up well so far. The screws hasn't backed out at all, but if it does I will definitely use blue loctite. I don't really have grip strength issues. I do static holds when I deadlift at the gym. I've hit 505 lbs and was able to do a static hold on the lock out for 10 seconds. Funny thing is is that my grip was actually to tight. When I first started using these grips instead of the rubber ones, I was squeezing so tight that the bottom joint of my thumb was absorbing all of the recoil which was damaging the joint. After loosening my right hand grip I haven't had any problems.

[@JoshBenware]

Mr. Cool I liked the black a grey grips too. I just know too many people that have them, so I wanted something different looking.

[@jacobharrod6912]

josh benware I had one with a 4" barrel too. I figured you have a pretty strong grip. I'd bet those static holds work pretty darn well. I mentioned about the COC grippers because you'd mentioned something about grip strength in your video. I just wanted to let those who may be interested about a great training tool for grip strength. Sorry about that I should have worded it differently. I feel you on the grip colors. If the black and grey are that common maybe I'll explore different options too. VZ also has some AWESOME pistol grips for the AR-15 platform. Did you find that video I was talking about and gave you the link to yesterday? Take care sir! 😃🇺🇸

[@JoshBenware]

Mr. Cool I didn't know VZ made m4 style grips. I'll have to check those out. Yes sir, I did see the vid. I believe I commented on the vid, but not sure. I was half asleep when I finally got a chance to see it. Long day yesterday, lol.

[@jacobharrod6912]

josh benware LOL Yes siree, I just wanted to make sure you were able to find it. 😃🇺🇸

[@kylewood8327]

Great looking Smith, you still rock’n the VZ grips? They sure look nice!

[@JoshBenware]

Thanks! Yessir, still gottem on. I switched to renegades but within a week switched back to these. Have had them on since this video (3ish years). Still love them!

[@GorillasGuns]

That's a big gun for concealed carry there Dirty Harry...lol... but those are some nice grips, a lot sleeker than the factory grips.. have fun with that beautiful peice brother...

[@JoshBenware]

Gorillas & Guns lol, it shouldn't be too hard to conceal.

[@eclectic3618]

Vast improvement in concealment and just the overall appearance.

[@JoshBenware]

They are nicer...but when shooting full house 357 mag, the rubber is a much easier on the hand. Still rocking these though.

[@claytoncarter7719]

lol.. Yeah man! seems like a lot of work could have just bought a conversion Grip. lol. they look just like these. Grips on my 686 and all the others I've seen. yeah they're rubber they look like a square but...kinda. but it's actually a great grip for a stock grip

[@sal1964]

Nice I will have to get them 👍 thanks for the video

[@mantazzzzz]

Hi, could you please share dimensions of grip pin (part no. 35)? I've got mine without it and it's pain to get original part in Europe. Thank you.

[@JoshBenware]

The threaded screw?

[@mantazzzzz]

@@JoshBenware thank you for coming back to me. It's called a GRIP PIN. At the very bottom of the handle to hold a grip in place. Tried to attach picture, but don't know how to do it on KZbin. Thank you

[@JoshBenware]

@@mantazzzzz 309000A is the part number. I found it on their website for $2.95

[@mantazzzzz]

@@JoshBenware perfect! Thank you

[@JoshBenware]

@@mantazzzzz glad I could help!

[@94fineest]

deciding either these VZ grips or a Altamont for my 686. ?? thoughts.

[@JoshBenware]

94fineest I would go Altamont for wood grips, VZ for g10. Me personally, i think a stainless steel revolver looks better with g10 and blued looks better with wooden grips. These VZ grips have been great. They have a mild texture that grips excellent and doesn't rub your side raw. The fit to the gun is perfect and they shipped quickly.

[@ge-8135]

It's been two years. If you are a gun nut like the rest of us you are now on your fourth set of grips! 😄

[@IntoTheWildernessBushcraft]

Thanks for the video! Do the VZ grips interfere with speedloaders?

[@JoshBenware]

I honestly havent tried yet. They dont make the speedloader I'd use in 7 shot. Thanks for watching!

[@UncleDanBand64]

The 686+ is in my opinion the finest handgun ever made. I'm glad you made this video because I'm thinking about replacing my grips. What holster will you be carrying that in. Thanks good video brother.

[@JoshBenware]

Shootin' with Uncle Dan thanks for watching man! For right now I'm using a 1791 leather holster. It was what was available when I bought the gun. I plan on order a holster from lobo holsters. I hear they are great quality leather holsters. If you know of other good options, let me know. I'm knew to the revolver and leather holster world. Always had glocks and kydex.

[@UncleDanBand64]

josh benware let me suggest you check out a channel called Lionquest Fitness He uses revolvers for concealed carry. He has a holster that carries the gun really high and tight to the body.

[@JoshBenware]

Shootin' with Uncle Dan you wouldn't happen to have a link to the vid?

[@UncleDanBand64]

josh benware let me see if I can find one where he is using a 4" k or L frame

[@UncleDanBand64]

josh benware here you go. He is a super nice guy. Tell him I sent you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZofZipmKjJh-p5I

[@peachablemacaw]

Looks great!!

[@JoshBenware]

Thanks! This was 2 years ago. Switched them for pachmayr renegades...didnt take long for me to put these back on.

[@peachablemacaw]

@@JoshBenware I'm waiting for my 686 to come in. If this grip is still available , I'll purchase them as well and put them on at some point down the road.

[@francisgarner1751]

Do they have VZ grips that fit the new taurus 605 defender 357mag/38 3" 2022

[@JoshBenware]

I have no idea. Check the vz website. Sorry I couldn't help

[@xCaPz]

Beautiful gun. Are you still using these grips to this day?

[@JoshBenware]

Thank you! Yes, I'm actually carrying this gun right now with the same grips. I've never wanted to change them because they make the gun easy to conceal, they are comfortable, and I always get compliments from everyone that sees them. I'd recommend them for sure! The only downside is when shooting hot 357, they dont have the cushion of hogue rubber grips.

[@xCaPz]

@@JoshBenware I'm fairly new to guns in general, been learning a lot online. Do you think getting a 686 6 inch as my first gun is a bad idea?

[@JoshBenware]

@@xCaPz it depends on what you want it for. If it's just for home defense or hunting, then 6" would be fine. If you plan on carrying it, my opinion is go with 4". You could even go 3" or 2", but I hate compromising power just for the ease of carrying a slightly shorter barrel (which usually isnt the hard part to conceal in the first place).

[@xCaPz]

Josh Benware channel Yeah it’d be for home defense and target shooting, I always liked the look of the longer revolvers. I’m trying to learn more about guns and customization and ammo but there’s so much that I don’t know that it’s kind of overwhelming. Thanks for the help

[@JoshBenware]

@@xCaPz click on my channel, go to "favorite vids" playlist. Check out the vids about remington 125gr sjhp. I think it is one of the best self defense rounds for 357 mag. Theres is 3 vids of people testing it out on the playlist

[@claytoncarter7719]

your original grips are round but also not Square. also how does lifting weights improve your grip strength

[@JoshBenware]

No, they were square butt grips. Grip strength increases greatly from deadlifts, weighted pullups, farmers walks etc.

[@claytoncarter7719]

you're 686 is clearly a round butt it would be impossible to put a square butt grip on it unless it was a conversion Grip. which it is not it is clearly the original stock grips lol. and Farmer's walks whatever that is in Pull-Ups are not lifting weights which was my question you said lifting weights would improve your grip what weight can I lift that will do that? I'm just joshing with you no pun intended. lol. but seriously your gun is a round butt the only way to put a square butt grip on that gun is if it was a conversion grip and it's not it's the stock grip which comes on the gun

[@claytoncarter7719]

also meant to say the aftermarket VZ Grips are beautiful good choice in coyote brown

[@JoshBenware]

@@claytoncarter7719 thanks bud! Yeah, the stock grips are converted grips. It's hard to see, but they do have a square but and on the inside are cut out for round butt.

[@tom_olofsson]

Very nice. You still using the VZ grips?

[@JoshBenware]

Thanks! Yes, still have them on years later. I tried some other grips, but I went right back to these.

[@tom_olofsson]

@@JoshBenware I bought a Kimber K6s with G10 grips already installed. I was unsure about getting them for my recently purchased J-Frame. You have convinced me. Thanks.

[@syedmahboob5045]

Nice!!!

[@JoshBenware]

Thank you!

[@7motion985]

Beautiful ❤❤❤

[@JoshBenware]

Thank you!

[@michaelmetler6315]

Jerusalem is an old 80's band and the city of GOD 👍

[@JoshBenware]

Yessir! I wonder how it is really pronounced? I know that the Hebrew language does not have the letter "j"...

[@pichepm]

Safety check?

[@JoshBenware]

Yeah, I did before I started filming. I hate when people do safety checks on video. They could've done it before they started filming. Also, I safety checked it again before I dry fired it. (This was when I first started KZbin. Sorry about the lack of editing and the horrible auto focus). Thanks for watching!

[@6opekaso221]

Concealed carry? 686?

[@JoshBenware]

It actually conceals very well. Easier than my p10c.

[@lagranozajewellery]

i like more the olde "rubber" grip

[@JoshBenware]

@@lagranozajewellery yeah, it's nicer for recoil. It's just too clingy for concealment

[@raydelfa1125]

Bro! Way too big for concealed carry.. grips are dope looking!

[@JoshBenware]

I actually have a holster that makes this very concealable and comfortable. You wouldnt think it would be, but it conceals much better than my glock 19 I use to carry, or the p10c that I now usually carry. If I go to a place where I'm not suppose to carry, this is the gun I carry. Maybe I'll do a vid showing what I mean.

[@gregkis]

Why you wearing your son's shirt

[@JoshBenware]

Cause its tight bro

[@georgejohnsmith]

There is a lot of truth in the video you uploaded yesterday, I kind of regret that you removed it. Certainly, there were things in it with which many would have argued, but it was full of good observations, thoughts, and interesting questions. Maybe you should break it down into more videos which question single specific points: 1. the significance of Luck in life, and in shootouts 2. not every man (and particularly woman!) was created to handle guns or to kill (on the topic I recommend this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIfMqo19oqebrNU ) 3. how much does training help/matter? (Probably this is the point which you have felt so weak that you removed the video. I think it deserves discussion - what kind of training, for what?) It is good that you contemplate these things, you should not get shied away so easily from expressing your thoughts. Take the YankeeMarshal as your role model, he does not have too many good ideas (or observations), he talks bullshit all the time, yet he is not concerned about it for a microsecond. You could probably do better than him, because you care.

[@JoshBenware]

georgejohnsmith definitely good advice! I went into that video without organizing my thoughts. I don't think my message was delivered clearly. I've made a decision not to edit videos, but now I'm realizing, if I want to take that route I need to get the topics better organized. For example, I have no idea how I promoted the 2nd point you listed. I've actually seen that some women have ran slr better than most men. When I watch the videos back again, I realize that I didn't articulate some of my points well at all, and kind of scattered and interrupted the thought multiple times.

[@georgejohnsmith]

It is not a big problem if you do not edit your videos. But you definitely need to think it through first, and if necessary, write a sketch which contains the main points, lists references. It is OK to peek into a paper while talking. As to the 2nd point: you talked a lot about how many policemen are not able to hit a full size (obviously unanimated) human silhouette plate, often DESPITE their training. That is a rather interesting point for me, because there is an idea of "dedicated shooters" within the law enforcement circles, which would allow police officers NOT to carry a weapon at all in certain situations (at least), when a highly proficient officer, the dedicated shooter, is present.

[@JoshBenware]

georgejohnsmith I've never heard of a dedicated shooter before. Do you mean police sniper, or just a go to guy for violent situations? What I've noticed is that usually the police officers that take training are pretty decent, usually. I've seen some that are horrible, but usually the ones that bother to take training do pretty well as far as pistols go. Military on the other hand seem to be horrible with pistols, but not so bad with long guns. I've noticed also that despite what people think, the federal police officers are usually pretty damn good with firearms. I haven't trained with any fbi agents, but ICE agents and ATF agents are usually pretty good. Local and state police are rarely any good. Military spec ops guys are sometimes decent, sometimes not (with pistols). Just my observations of what I've trained around personally. As far as women, they are usually great with rifles. They seem to pick up quicker, and shooting multiple targets accurately from a distance seems to be something women excel at very quickly. Women on pistols, usually not very good, even with lots of training. Very few have I seen that can run a pistol well.

[@georgejohnsmith]

The dedicated shooter concept means an ordinary officer (not a sniper), who is doing well above the average in (handgun) shooting skills, and could protect other, unarmed officers in situations which involve many officers, but the expected risk of violence is fairly low. It would in theory remedy issues like contagious shooting, loss of firearms to criminals, and ineffective shooting (collateral damage). It is very political. Why not make a video about your observations? With some provocative title: Army personnel suck with handguns... you know, along these lines. :-) FBI and ATF agents should be very competent with firearms in general, but FBI has degraded a lot in my opinion. I mean, drinking eight beers is not an excuse for missing a police officer with multiple shots from a measly 30-35 yards. Right?

[@JoshBenware]

georgejohnsmith haha! Provocative, and also have the armed forces pissed at me! But I do dig the drama side of it. You're a bad influence!

[@theoneandonlybumpus2862]

Not a VZ fan

[@JoshBenware]

Why's that?

[@theoneandonlybumpus2862]

@@JoshBenware just never liked the feel of it.

[@JoshBenware]

@@theoneandonlybumpus2862 the aggressive ones?

[@Shadow61-m6j]

You should learn how to respect such a find revolver and stop banging it around on the table

[@JoshBenware]

Shut up