武壇八卦掌『六十四變化掌』Bagua 64 Changing Palm

[@Asha-g6c]

Good and beautiful practice!!!

[@granblue7]

Thank you

[@austint1372]

练的好。劲力好，足底有力，整劲十足，气和呼吸也对。感叹，为什么台湾的传武保存的这么好，大陆如今是这番景象。

[@wutan_nj]

感謝美譽！大陸方面也有很多練的很好的年輕一輩，但台灣跟大陸的傳武一樣都面臨嚴重傳承斷層問題… 傳武必須走出華人圈，廣傳到世界各地。華人不珍惜，老外可當寶。也算是個悲哀…

[@AA-zx8rv]

每個人練得造化都不一樣，一門宮夫深似海，每一個細節都是跟祖傳八卦的絲毫之爭，差一個或只剩拳架就不算師承

[@NandoWasabi]

I just my Bagua journey and I have a long way to go.

[@duncanwilliams5790]

Nice form. Thanks for sharing.

[@yunhanlau7346]

很好看，非常喜欢你打的八卦掌64手

[@wutan_nj]

謝謝

[@hongdewuguan]

Thanks for letting us see your bagua. I will keep practicing 😊

[@sbbgnew]

謝謝老師分享、沒有機會學八卦掌就畢業離開社團了、甚是可惜

[@robertallenpittman3195]

Good, Solid, Tactical and non-wu-shuey------great to see...quite a lot in common with the Gao Mothers...thank you!

[@wutan_nj]

@@robertallenpittman3195 thanks!

[@kats1978]

Very rooted( low and stable) stance with smooth body movement. Stability meets mobility!!

[@wutan_nj]

Thanks 🙏

[@kats1978]

@@wutan_nj I’m practicing Baguazhang that also coming from Shandong province 山東省. So interesting to see a lots of similarities.

[@wutan_nj]

@@kats1978 Our Bagua also came from Shandong (YenTai city to be exact)!

[@kats1978]

@@wutan_nj I pay huge respect to your group/affiliation 武壇, that preserves traditional lineages. I know that many styles are almost lost due to the revolution. Even our style lineage is not clear who inherited since Cultural Revolution disruption. Anyway, thank you so much for carrying and sharing your tradition.

[@wutan_nj]

@@kats1978 thanks to grandmaster Liu YunQiao, he created a sustainable system that the arts can be preserved. I’m just doing my part.

[@jwuhome]

想起一代宗師裡的宮二。好電影。

[@hanleyteoh9653]

章子怡太美了

[@camiloiribarren1450]

It helps to do it both directions in order to use the different mechanisms

[@sinkosyuu1512]

徐紀太早去美國了！不然他打的八卦掌很厲害！

[@Esoxniger]

看完了...還是不懂 悟性太差,總是不能理解八卦掌 感謝分享

[@wutan_nj]

八卦掌很複雜，也很抽象，但是技擊價值頗高。也很能提升其他門派的拳種

[@yzkuo7926]

謝謝熱情分享。很多要領，似乎…還看不到……

[@wutan_nj]

求高人指點

[@yzkuo7926]

@@wutan_nj 真是不敢當，您練得比我好。虛長幾歲，提供兩點參考：1.步子如果是走這樣的自然步加點淌泥步，要「磨脛擦掌」2.全身的滾鑽掙裹，要做出來。以上，昔日武壇如是我聞。

[@wutan_nj]

@@yzkuo7926 謝前輩指點

[@shiva1x]

Very nice!!! I've always liked Gong Bao Tian's form. You could almost see/feel his Qing gong hidden as a potential in it! Great job!

[@shawn6669]

LYQ wasn't taught GBT's qing gong.

[@shiva1x]

@@shawn6669 wow! Didn't know that. So obviously you were there training with them. That must have been amazing. I'm jealous!

[@AA-zx8rv]

還有小開門～～～～

I admire that you are. Not mixing your baji with your bagua it's great. Many people practice one style, then another, and carries the body movement from one style to the other, and to me that it's awful. I like that you totally change your body movement when doing bagua

[@wutan_nj]

Thank you very much! I do my best to capture and adopt the flavor from each different styles I practice. My Shifu used to say that the unique application approach of a style often times are hidden within its flavor.

[@Whiskey_Tengu]

This statement is the exact opposite of how Baguazhang was developed over greater than a Century. Dong Hai Chuan took monastic circle walking and changing meditations and fused it with Shaolin Boxing routines he was already proficient in to create new martial strategies that up to that point hadn't been seen before. Since this was unique to him, he only trained expert fighters in how to adopt his bagua strategies into their own styles. If this didn't happen, you wouldn't have Cheng Family styles that branched off with a very overt Shuai Jiao (Chinese Wrestling) flavor, or the Yin Family and Liang style branches within different Shaolin animal style flavors of old TCM in them. You also wouldn't have had Liu de Kuan or Gao Yi Sheng's clear Xingyi cross training influences on their own Baguazhang. It is very much still Baguazhang. Dong Hai Chuan would have absolutely been keen on encouraging people to adopt more styles, or whatever worked for them, and tailor the Bagua strategy and philosophy around them. There is only one Bagua, and it's constantly changing, as it should be. The greater tragedy is that modern teachers/practitioners are so blinded by traditional dogma, that they seek to preserve the old and obsolete rather than incorporate the latest and most effective forms of fighting and training into the bagua philosophy. Not keeping up with the times, results in a dead art, and simply a relic of the past. Baguazhang was meant to always adapt to the change of the times.

[@meowrizzio2697]

I wanted to ask, why do you leave the end of the finger and not squeeze it? In our wing chun, they squeeze so that they don't break a finger on the street.)

[@wutan_nj]

We grab, WingChun don’t grab as much. Many style Sifu would yell at student for sticking their thumb out form the palm: “enemy can grab your thumb and break it…” The way I was taught was to be the one who grab! That’s why we have our intention always feeling and scouting for grabs.

[@meowrizzio2697]

@@wutan_nj that is, to look for an opportunity for what? To break his finger? Or did you punch it?

[@wutan_nj]

@@meowrizzio2697 to grab, to push, affect the opponent’s structure, to attack and take control.

[@meowrizzio2697]

and what kind of opportunity is it to look for?

[@meowrizzio2697]

@@wutan_nj Thank you very much, I will not only be doing wing chun, but also Bajiquan and pigua Zhang will be doing on your KZbin video

[@Eclod]

打得很好看ㄟ 真的

[@wutan_nj]

謝謝🙏獻醜了

[@lukaima5147]

老师~苗刀教学还没出哦，期待好久了哦~

[@wutan_nj]

苗刀應該會今年夏天於「八極 塾」平台出。

[@lukaima5147]

@@wutan_nj 那个平台能贴个网址吗，谢谢老师

[@wutan_nj]

@@lukaima5147 平台正在架構中，將於春季推出。可以先至IG 關注 @Baji_Shu

[@kungfuzzzz]

Did you cover all 64 changing palms in just this video?

[@wutan_nj]

Yes. (I sure hope I did)

[@門徒解說聖經]

請問認識楊三豐嗎?他是劉大師在景美的入室弟子，我跟他學了八卦掌，網路上有劉大師弟子的八極拳影片,八卦掌就很少,這是我第一次看到武壇成員的八卦掌影片,謝了

[@wutan_nj]

不認識楊三豐老師，師爺學生實在太多了⋯ 話說武壇八掛掌實是本門鎮壇之寶！在外雖常被抨擊，但是懂功夫的人就看得出是獨樹一格的八卦好拳！

[@kevinlai3861]

网上看過武壇黃偉哲先生的八卦掌，大師級的水準，不知是否同門？

[@StanleyLoHongKong]

難得炮精通這麼多門武功。我還是喜歡你打的八極和劈掛。

[@ken880603]

感覺八卦掌步法挺重要卻又很抽象，有考慮出一期介紹嗎？

[@wutan_nj]

可以考慮。武壇武術最高階的細節訓練都在八卦掌系統裡，而其步法佔的比率很高。

[@ken880603]

@@wutan_nj 了解，辛苦了

[@ramonjoaquinsosa7226]

Yo me quedé x el cuatro movimiento de la formas

[@AA-zx8rv]

少了個東西，因為打得這是公式，是武壇的宮家八卦，但非宮家，就像書法一樣，要臨摹寫帖先深研文章，再下筆，少了“魂”就只剩體，因為我打得也是宮家，師承早期武壇先前跟老師傅學的老師

[@hanleyteoh9653]

想请教为何这位师兄的趟泥步不是脚尖很落地？这不是八卦掌的核心步法吗？还是另有其他说法👀

[@wutan_nj]

八卦走為先，以腿功著稱。躺泥步是八卦獨門練腿與重心轉換「練法」。因為要求腳要平平落地，給初學者一種「永遠重心都在後腳」的訓練，每一步都需全神關注在雙腳上… 所以躺泥步是八卦初階訓練。練到後來便可以隨意走。

[@hanleyteoh9653]

@@wutan_nj 谢谢讲解，确实我之前学习八卦掌时，教练一直重复要脚尖落地，现在明白为什么了，谢谢你的讲解！

[@igorkiselev1936]

Браво никто этого не замечает , шаги не поставлены , носок вздёргивает вверх нет укоренения . Нейгун слабый , движения укорочены , нет раскрытия .

[@michaeltaylor8501]

Are Ying Fu & Yin Fu different individuals, or is this merely different English spellings of the same name?

[@wutan_nj]

Same person, just the spelling discrepancy

[@michaeltaylor8501]

@@wutan_nj , Thanks. It's interesting to see the different methods of practice there are for Yin Fu's Baguazhang. 😎👍

[@wutan_nj]

@@michaeltaylor8501 thanks. Tbh, I’ve never seen any two Bagua lineages practice the same, even under the same master. I believe that’s the beauty of BaguaZhang.

[@michaeltaylor8501]

@@wutan_nj , Absolutely; after all Baguazhang is all about Changing, eh? 😎👍

[@wutan_nj]

@@michaeltaylor8501 ha well said.

[@НухДалимов]

Shifu Vincent, you post Bagua Zhang

[@leon750627]

我一直想不通單換掌跟雙換掌的「單、雙」表現在何處，可以問問老師的說法嗎？

[@wutan_nj]

這是個好問題，我也問過許秋德大哥這個問題，自己也不時在網路與八卦相關書籍找尋答案... 但是都沒有一個明確的答案, 許大哥的見解我覺得很合理，可以參考看看： 許秋德大哥的看法有二： 「換」，指步法。八卦以走為主，「單」是一次轉身即變換方向；「雙」則是兩次轉身。有了1、2，而後便有無窮組合變化。 另一個體會： 是指「勁道」而論。 「單換掌」重力，為陽剛之勁；「雙換掌」重氣，為陰柔之勁。把「陰、陽」練出來後，自然能生萬物！ 當初創拳者沒有留下意涵，我們只能推測，再多體會去驗證了！

[@leon750627]

謝謝老師分享，我自己也為了這個問題搜尋了很久，起先是知道不論是哪一支的八卦掌都會說"單雙換掌是八卦掌中極重要的兩掌"，但卻很湊巧的都沒明確提到重要在哪。 陽勁跟陰勁的說法也有查到過類似的，雖然在我們的八卦掌中初以動作外型來看，確實單換掌直接，雙換掌曲折圓滑，頗能感受到勁力的不同，但自己覺得拳練久了也知道任何動作其實都是內外兼顧，若將它變成陰陽這樣的二分法做解釋似乎反而有點不夠完善，所以沒有往這個方向太深入思考。 而自己邊想問題邊練習，多轉幾圈後確實也有注意到單換掌轉一次，雙換掌轉兩次，是不是就是這麼簡單，總覺得不踏實，看到老師的回答有跟自己一樣的想法還蠻高興的哈哈。 既然也有這樣一說，那也許不用自己把問題想的太複雜吧，就好像不用非要把八卦套入八卦掌一樣，同理"單"大概就是指第一掌，"雙"是第二掌，只是最初期給予它的名稱而已，會不會有這種可能?但是至少為了思考這個問題，單雙換掌挺熟練倒是真的。 也跟老師分享一下自己的想法。

[@wutan_nj]

@@leon750627 謝謝你分享你的經驗見解。既然各個門牌都無法確確的提出單、雙換掌的實質特點，我索性會朝著當初董海川創拳時有可能是套入「易經」裡的另一論而命名，可能確實沒有實質的單雙特性也說不一定。類似「道生一、一生二、二坐三，三生萬物…」等易理。

[@廖啟富]

@@leon750627 謝謝您的見解，有所啟發!

[@廖啟富]

@@wutan_nj 謝謝您的見解，有所啟發!

[@茹で蛙-j8o]

你啲咩掌法？ --你想學？我教你呀！

[@lee-xi8mb]

這不是宮式掌

[@wutan_nj]

武壇八卦掌在動作上確實有爭議的空間。但是要從幾個角度來看： 1. 劉雲樵師爺二十一歲時已經是經過十多年李書文八極拳洗禮過的「高手」，他拜在宮保田門下習八卦掌，從經驗、下盤腿力、整勁、對武術理解力、年輕好學、甚至財力條件都是任何老師父夢寐以求的超上等學生材料！ 2. 收了李書文的學生，宮保田怎敢不拿出好東西來教？ 3. 劉雲樵從二十歲習得八卦掌一直到八十四歲仙逝都極度重視八卦掌，六十多年鑽研。 4. 劉雲樵的八卦「起跑點」與任何一位宮保田的其他弟子都是天壤之別， 許多其他弟子需要多年才能達到的功力體會，可能跟劉雲樵一點就能做到。 這就是武壇八卦的不同，不能只是用由外觀動作上來看。 八卦本抽象，儘管同是出自尹氏、郝氏、程、馬、梁… 沒有任何兩個八卦門派打出來是一樣的

[@lee-xi8mb]

@@wutan_nj 這更象程氏八卦。宮式掌傳人王翰之尚在，可參考

[@Yzwissac]

@@wutan_nj哈！門派

[@wtcheng692]

花架子，亳無實戰能力。

[@qimingshu8113]

不好意思，实话说，演练者练得不怎么样。 再次道歉。

[@wutan_nj]

可以看看你的「怎樣」的八卦掌嗎？開開眼界

[@antoniocalibur3481]

@@wutan_nj 有用的武術是格鬥用的，你們約以八卦掌實戰，再上傳影片為證吧

[@sakulwud3986]

Fake

[@shawn6669]

Whereof you don't know what you're talking about, thereof you must be silent.

[@curtrod]

you're wrong, this is good baguazhang