Waaagh Trophy Stacking

[@alkalkalk8152]

TROPHIES STACK!? Holy moly greenskins are even stronger than i thought.

[@JasperLane]

Right!!! I usually just get the Biggiest Stunties trophie and just sit on a waaaaagh until I needed it.

[@kareshy6549]

@@JasperLane Personally I take the ABW approach. Always Be WAAAAAAAGH

[@flosko]

It's a bug! Not intended at all. There's a "_level" missing in the script which makes it so effect bundles doesn't go away when swapping waaagh target. It's cool no doubt but not intended

[@gharn2594]

@@flosko Although this is almost certainly a bug, it seems like a very positive one for two main reasons. The first is that many players will get the trophy the want, then stop using the Waaagh. This is obviously bad, you want players to use their main faction mechanic and this fixes that issue. The second is that it give the player something else to do. This simply encourages people to keep playing the game, which is exactly what you want. Just a shame I didn't know about this in my Wurrzag campaign otherwise I would have kept playing and finally conquered the world.

[@alexroman8878]

Yes, they do, I’ve just spent 40 turns and got 25% physical resistance🍷👴🏻

[@grantalbury3710]

Just to confirm, if you win a small trophy and then get a bigger one later, the previous trophy is replaced and does not stack. I haven’t tried it the other way around.

[@MauroJesus100]

So trophies only stack if they are from different races? I can only have 1 trophy of each faction?

[@grantalbury3710]

I’m pretty sure, yes

[@Garret007]

@@grantalbury3710Thanks for testing this. Good to know

[@Pyromaniac77777]

@@MauroJesus100the stacking is also a bug to begin with, to be clear

[@ianmoyer2605]

From a programming perspective, maybe it's a bug. I'm not sure if CA has acknowledged this as such yet, but regardless I think (from a game design perspective) that they SHOULD stack. Imrik gets to collect his dragons, why can't green skins have a trophy room?

[@FandangoJon]

Duh orcs, dey get knocked down, but dey get up again! Yer never gonna keep dem down!

[@dretchlord873]

10:50-11:00 Headless Orks that keep fighting cuz it's that good of a fight? Sounds more like a lore accurate feature then a bug. Green truly is da best

[@i.k.2485]

WAAAGH!!!

[@dontgankmebruv7273]

its mainly da immortalz working wierd with preventing the deaths, but still leaving them graphially fucked

[@thehtehteotheithe]

@@dontgankmebruv7273 *da immortulz

[@sephose7441]

Today i learned that trophies stack, Iv been sitting on max WAAGH for the faction growth >.

[@puhpuh3037]

They don't, it's a bug.

[@danthecanadian]

@@puhpuh3037Hence why you should play your greenskin campaigns now before CA removes the fun.

[@tunnar79]

​@@puhpuh3037 A bug that urges the players to actually play as intended, using the Greenskin's main mechanics instead of it being a "use and forget" mechanic.

[@puhpuh3037]

@@tunnar79 Yeah, and they'll do their best to fix it and make them unfun again. Yippee.

[@Chosen92378]

@@puhpuh3037 I think it's intended. It's a genius implementation to incentivize more than a single Waaagh now. Their previous system allowed you to circumvent the massive slow down from using a Waaagh so you wouldn't lose your rate of progression but there was still no reason to keep using them after getting the trophy you wanted. Now they nerfed the lords commanding the armies(so you're forced to suffer slow down and big progress loss) but now in exchange, you get a return on your investment so it's actually a proper trade off.

[@dark_side_cookies]

CA: "Trophies dont stack. That would be stupidly OP." Orks: "Dey do if we says dey do!"

[@user-me7iw6ft8z]

They get the berserk from the Grom food mechanic

[@Kaylx3]

Damn I always thought this was so frustrating that trophies didn't stack. So didn't launched waagh even if i wanted to just because I had the lizardmen trophy

[@grinm1899]

ikr? the UI doesn't tell you that it stacks, so counter-intuitive

[@orepheus7766]

It's not intended to stack. It's a bug lol@@grinm1899

[@sisyr5615]

@@grinm1899that's because this is a bug. It's not intended. And after this video, it'll no doubt get patched eventually.

[@florians9949]

@@sisyr5615yes because CA will always patch bugs that benefits the player, but never touch the one that hurt them.

[@Chosen92378]

@@sisyr5615 It's the only thing incentivizing anyone to use Waaaghs after their first one so I don't know if they would patch it out. Because it's coincidentally so genius, I would think it's actually intended.

[@kareshy6549]

Giggling at Grimgor screaming in the background every so often while Legend goes through the preamble.

[@josipvaljeta6619]

I didn't know that various versions of the same trophies could stack I always thought they replaced each other regardless which version when you finish WAAGH as stated on the wiki page: "You can only have one trophy at a time so when you successfully complete another Call to Waaagh! the new trophy replaces the current trophy." Really good to know for future games.😃 Thanks Legend

[@danthecanadian]

It's a bug trophies shouldn't stack. They'll remove it in the next patch because CA watches Legend's videos and nerfs the cheese.

[@danthecanadian]

For anyone watching, this no longer works. Just tested today, the trophies get replaced.

[@rossar1232]

oh legend if you knew how many times my campaigns and battles were saved thanks to the stuff I've learned from you if i could i would subscribe again and again after every video

[@maeror1022]

Hats off to this player. This doomstack took a lot of effort to make.

[@adriankoch964]

Kislev AI after watching 1000 hours of Legend: "NP, I just gonna armyloss Grimgor"

[@stephenschroeder2141]

7:45 Legend didn’t remember his hilarious WH3 zero-HP headless Krimzon Killaz doomstack vid. Deserves a plug… 10:45 ah, he remembered Wait, is this trophy stacking caused by 4.2? Has anything changed? Were they always stacking?

[@blurgalsklech2929]

They were always stacking. Most people didn’t realize they did.

[@Grivehn]

@@blurgalsklech2929 Probably because most people dont launch Waaagh against the same race twice... given most people play about 50 turn campaigns.

[@warsmithgalvinc4151]

I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down - Battle cry of the Krimson Killerz

[@LimeGuy101]

7:36 - I memba!

[@krakraen343]

lol I remember the headless immortals. That was something else. Get the decapitate animation, then just eeeh whatever and keep fighting.

[@curtisbrown547]

I had no idea that there was a way to stack trophies at all, lol. Gonna use that nugget in my next GS campaign no doubt

[@alirezarezaei2976]

But as far as I know, the new trophy will replace the old one and can not be stacked Or has it changed in WH3? Edit: Beserk comes from Gobo's legs from Grom's cauldron Also, fire resistance comes from a type of mushroom again from Grom's cauldron

[@blurgalsklech2929]

No the new trophy doesn’t replace the old one. Once you collect a trophy you have it for the rest of the campaign. You collect all the trophies and their benefits are always in effect whether it’s the face trophy on the mechanics bar or now.

[@cabz5872]

You sure? Someone said they tested it with a big trophy and it got replaced with the biggest trophy. Though they havent tested it with with the biggest trophy and going to a big trophy ​@blurgalsklech2929

[@alirezarezaei2976]

@@blurgalsklech2929 But in WH2 it wasn't like this Maybe they changed it to this new form I haven't played WH3 yet

[@goldeninnos3411]

in wh3 i barely ever used waagh because 1. you dont need it 2. you get massive bonuses while holding. but turns out throwing waagh left and right might be the way to go

[@oooeee5556]

you get 1 free army inside an army, for free.

[@olafthemoose9413]

You do lose your ​reputation bonuses.

[@Garret007]

@@oooeee5556true, but you lose your global bonuses AND your armies move way less far from what I know.

[@honorguard7616]

@@oooeee5556 The free army slows you down for a good few turns, it can be annoying when trying to catch underway or co (I have had the Waagh army intercept without main)

[@tonyottoway8648]

​@@honorguard7616 they always intercept lol

[@mdjd.8893]

need to start a doomstack vs doomstack tournament. like 32 doomstacks are faced against eachother and in the end, a true doomstack is declared.

[@thegreatlarry9454]

Damn, Black Orcs that have Troll level weapon strength, and Hero levels of armour, leadership, melee attack/defense, on all 80 entities? No wonder they went through enemies like a lawnmower through grass

[@billreed2750]

"Headless Orcs are OP" Well of course they are, they aren't missing any vital organs if they've got no head!

[@elmojo9591]

CA gonna be like: TROPHIE STACKING!? Better fix that in the upcoming patch.

[@undeadsquire782]

the fire resistance and bezerk is coming from groms cauldron.

[@JackdotC]

Did they break trophies in the update? Don't think they are supposed to stack, but that does make orcs way more fun so you don't loose a good trophy buff bc you targeted another race with a weaker buff afterwards

[@eshaan570]

if its a good change i wouldnt call it break lol, but yeah 100% makes them more fun if it wasnt like taht before

[@danielgloyd4529]

It doesn't seem like it was done intentionally. I would be all for the bug becoming a feature, though.

[@eshaan570]

@@danielgloyd4529 real, same for the ammo replensh in sieges

[@GoonManGuy]

The fire resistance and Berserk are coming from Grom's Cauldron.

[@riftandrend5254]

With that much weapon strength and melee attack those black orks are practically lawn mowers

[@TheBoxGhost_tm]

Lore Accurate Black Orks.

[@horrocko]

He turned those fantasy orcs into 40k orks.

[@alasdairkindness8621]

Could the fire resistance and the berserk be due to a cauldron buff because they're playing as broken axe?

[@danthecanadian]

Yes

[@overlordto176]

I have wanted something like this for a long time, just didn't know this was a bug. I am going to try this out in a skarnsik campaign soon.

[@Ax_Dj0]

Berserk comes from Grom's food mechanic

[@MarkyMcOliver]

I had no idea that the trophy’s stacked….holy fuck, I could have been even more dominant than I already am

[@simonkarsten272]

Here is an idea to celebrate 500k subscribers: show us the easiest or fastest way to 500k in the treasury or income in your game of choice (could also be Anno 1800 for example)

[@yanomamo89]

The Dwarf rework can’t come soon enough.

[@jamesmayes4351]

Well I never knew they stacked. I would go for the biggest trophy and never declare another waaahhh

[@ltekbas]

Legend to compare them equally, you need to add 9 chevrons to custom battle black orcs. you compared 9 chevrons to 0 chevrons. (also they get additional bonus from red tree line)

[@ericcartman5722]

+tech

[@olafthemoose9413]

? He compares basic black orcs with 0 buffs to what they become with all the possible buffs. Makes perfect sense to me

[@ZeriocTheTank]

Any of you greenskin mains have any recommendations on when to do a waaagh? I know it varies from campaign to campaign, but I always felt that I either using it too soon, or holding onto it for too long.

[@playerioik6101]

Hey, I am mastering Wurzag Mortal Empires campaign, I can tell you that your first Waaaaagh is the most important one (always decide the dwarfs, the 20% discount in construction is massive and the 20% weapon strength is so good with melee armies like trolls or even black orks). This action will give you the edge to separate your armies (try to build at least 2 full stacks even if they are only goblins archers) and auto-resolve to save time in the siege of Karaz-a-Karak after you abuse ambush to deplete their forces. Last thing Waaaagh as soon as possible!!! Later when you are big enough try and stack Trophies, my first recommendation is Tomb Kings (+ magic, loot & speed) or Lizards (+phisical resistance, unit/general recruit rank ); Ohhh I almost forgot, put generals as Waagh commanders so the campaign movement penalty is reduced by a lot. With enough practice, you should be able to doom stack by turn 40+, because (for me) the most important lesson is to enjoy the manual resolve battles!!

[@danielgloyd4529]

It depends on who you're playing, I guess. With Skarsnik You can get the ability to call a waaagh when he has 2 full stacks, but I always put it off for a couple turns until I fill up a 3rd army just for the extra waagh army. I always put it on 8peaks. When the waagh armies armies fill out, I send 2 to take Karaz-a-karak, and 1 goes to Barak Varr. Then the 2 from Karaz-a-karak go to Black Crag. I use the army that took Barak Varr to hunt Wurzag and try to force a confed. Then everyone converges on 8 peaks. You can finish all of this in 12 turns or less if you take fights optimally and don't stop too much for replenishment. Even with some bad fights, it shouldn't take more than 16. From there it can be played out in many different ways. Go north and find Azhagg, go east and find Grimgor, go west and kill Belagar and hope Grom is still alive, or just finish clearing out the badlands and mountains.

[@flopus7]

​@@playerioik6101first rule of waagh is to have fun

[@ZeriocTheTank]

@@danielgloyd4529 Funny that you mention Skarsnik since he was the only greenskin I have played. I assumed that you needed to pick a faction simply based on their power level, and I assumed that you lost the trophies overtime & that they over wrote a previous one. I'll be firing up another campaign & give this a try. Especially seeing how much the trophies can buff up your units.

[@danielgloyd4529]

@@ZeriocTheTank Skarsnik is my favorite greenskin lord and one of my top 3 favorites in the game. I just like gobbo and squig spam. Even after I get 8 peaks, I still don't use orcs. Grom might have stronger goblins, but Skarsnik gets the full greentide experience with -40% upkeep.

[@MaReCkI1987]

Slanesh is invading comment section

[@eduardoribeiroucv9630]

Wut?

[@easytanksgaming3238]

​@eduardoribeiroucv9630 in every video bots of slaanesh calling people to suspicious sites with... bad content. Very bad and illegal content, they spread corruption

[@Nightmare_52]

itd be cool if you had like a trophy cabinet to show off each one you unlocked, only 1 at a time is kinda sucky when you want to use more waaghs but you already have the best trophy

[@DriveAmerican]

Would love to see you play more Grimgor and greenskins!

[@basab1063]

Orks thinking they still have a heat and therefore not dying are OP

[@abcisawesome3418]

I have never played Warhammer, so when I saw the title, I was thinking it was a sarcastic baby cry and that this was gonna be a terrible doomstack lol.

[@papagoomba7474]

0hp game says pls die now! Random black orc "sod off ya git!"

[@ktvindicare]

Silly Black Orcs, thinks they're dead, so they just stand around aloofly looking at the carnage around them and cheering.

[@Jay12321Jay]

Speed: 29 increased to 38 => '50% increase' Melee Attack: 36 increased to 76 => 'trippled' Math taking a hard hit today 😂

[@Nalorn]

Imagine doing this but also stacking the army buffs you get from the sea locations

[@toggle3927]

These Black Orcs wouldn't lose to Empire Greatswords!

[@simontretter6498]

Can confirm "Biggest Trophies" do not stack. Just ended my 2nd waagh against the dwarves. Actually lost my bonus weaponstrength :/

[@eduardoribeiroucv9630]

Okay, now I know what campaign Im doing next

[@zemperish]

Those stupid dragons die faster than skavenslaves

[@GrandMasterNutBusterYoda]

you got trophy stacking on top of Grom's cauldron buffs. Like Orks can get JUICED up in so many ways it's ridiculous.

[@tonyottoway8648]

Dont worry legend , i subbed awhile back

[@chapter_brother5437]

Honestly CA should "repair" thst bug in a way that we players get a trophy list to showcase which trophies we already get and at what strenght every unique currently is... so basically they would change nothing game-wise expect for players to see for themselfs what their new objective could be. Just like many ppl already said here we would be encouraged to use WAAAGH mechanic more than just "oh no I get best one, now I will never use this mechanic again to not replace best buff!" kind of stuff. Maybe nerf those a bit... or maybe don't so we get propa reward for crushin tiny gits! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

[@Qulize]

They got Berserk from one of the recipes from Groms cauldron iirc.

[@jdc4144]

I thought waagh bonuses couldn't stack, is that a bug or a recent change ?

[@blurgalsklech2929]

Nope always been that way.

[@Garret007]

@@blurgalsklech2929ok, ty

[@flosko]

@@blurgalsklech2929 if by always you mean a few patches into wh3 then yes. It didn't stack in 2.

[@mattuprinz]

Thank you. I‘ve won a few Waaghs but don’t see the symbol in the abilities on the units. 😢 Is there maybe an additional requirement necessary? I just play on normal difficulty.

[@Khorothis]

Hot DAMN those Black Orks were sauced up! I dare say they found the legendary lamb sauce!

[@Lones555]

It's likely a bug, the Norsca allegiance system is broken in WH3 too, you still gain points even after reaching level 3 and triggering the "endgame" (I'm unsure so far if this is just a tooltip error or whether I am losing the tier 3 rewards). I'm testing to see if its possible to unlock both champion lords this way. I'm also not sure what happens to my alliance with Archaon when I kill the final boss and reject him, does he auto declare war on me even though I can currently bribe him to be my vassal?

[@TheMagicalPinata]

I noticed you didn't check the bonuses from Grom's Cauldron. Was there nothing there to help?

[@oooeee5556]

5:15 well that's a better sell pitch than tw:pharaoh, that's for sure

[@JJSlimerMgee]

I feel like trophies should stack, you shouldn't be disincentivised to use your factions most fun ability. Even if they have to nerf the trophies a little for balance.

[@mrh1390]

Legend asking for subs reminds me of Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec, "Hire Very Good Construction for your building needs. Or do not, I am not a beggar."

[@L3TL]

Seems like the Waagh Trophies Stacking was not a thing in WH2, so this is probably an oversight bug. Still, seems weird AF that Greenskins would only have 1 WAAGH trophy at any time anyways, would make more sense to collect one from every race (git)

[@blackjack-lz1hh]

Oi, wut if we stacks all the trophiez on top of each 'oda, big thinkin.

[@kl16863]

why are some units highlights in the pre battle screen

[@Ratich]

Berserk is from the cauldron

[@TuvyahJ]

Trophy stacking and/or Cooking buff?

[@partymaster2568]

Legend, how do you click and drag you entire formation like you did at the start of the fight, when you were closing the gap. I, for the life of me, can't figure out how to move units like that together, in formation, without locking them as a squad and etc.

[@SGTDAVICH]

Hold alt and click-drag

[@thenortherncampaign6474]

Huh. I didn't even know Waagh trophies were a thing. I really need to play Greenskins at some point. :P

[@Yourmomgoestocollege816]

I bounced off them a few times until I played Wurrzag. The army he wants you to build is super fun and he’s a great lord to boot, so I’d recommend giving him a try - Grom is great too, but something about the greenskins just clicked when I played Wurrzag.

[@thenortherncampaign6474]

@Yourmomgoestocollege816 Sounds good, I appreciate the tips. :) I tried Grom very briefly in WH2 but it didn't end well lol. Haven't played Greenskins since. They're jot the only faction I've neglected, but they're one of the ones I've neglected most.

[@legionerer]

​@@Yourmomgoestocollege816Damn, Wurzag campain really bored me quickly, but the last Grimgor try was pretty fun. I think it is a matter of preference😅

[@Yourmomgoestocollege816]

@@legionerer Preference definitely plays a part. For me, I didn’t really understand how greenskins (or other rush factions) worked until I had Wurrzag and a stack of juiced-to-the-gills savage orcs steamroll the early game in WH2. You can get something like that from any greenskin lord; it just all came together for me when I gave Wurrzag a shot so I’m pretty partial to him. Plus, the slick dance moves - hard to hate an orc that groovy.

[@TheRxNick]

500k let's go boys

[@TheGrimAlliance11]

*Sigh* Time to start a Grom campaign

[@playwars3037]

Wait, trophies stack now ? Was that from an update ,or a bug ? Because I remember them being overwritten when a new WAAAGGGH ! Was finished, which was one of my biggest gripes with the greenskins.

[@TheChreezyy]

since when do trophies stack??

[@Yagami913]

for real

[@Cross_111]

But that would increase the strength of all their armies, correct? He just picked the strongest one for the doomstack I presume

[@alexroman8878]

Has he ever tried conquering the map with only one army?

[@elrictraver8275]

Okay, I'll sub, finally

[@velvetdrgn]

can someone explain why the whole rest of the enemy army just kinda suddenly lost all their leadership at the end? I'm new to total war games so the morale system is still a bit confusing at times

[@Someguy4321]

When game decides that battle result is already determined, it slaps the losing side with a gigantic morale debuff.

[@Ssm19494]

Please subscribe guys he’s almost at 500k

[@boughtagun2088]

Could this beat the unsated bloodthirst Minotaur doomstack

[@playerioik6101]

is Trophy stacking also in Warhammer 2?

[@grantalbury3710]

No sir

[@playerioik6101]

@@grantalbury3710 are you certain?

[@Indolthir]

Certain. Did several, never happened. It wasn't in Warhammer 3 at first either.@@playerioik6101

[@grantalbury3710]

Very, lol

[@nikewilly8404]

How did I not know they stack?

[@darkdude9248]

WAIT THEY STACK!?!??!?!?

[@anonymous_coward]

Didn't trophies used to expire? Without trophy expiration trophy stacking too powerful to make sense balancing wise. I hope this isn't yet another bug.

[@Kragnar1]

Grimgor has 63 speed…

[@Camborix]

Nice!

[@ArukGrd]

Hey, cheers! ❤

[@galle93]

is this a bug or a new change?

[@thefailus4550]

Waaaghmaxing

[@MrHara1987]

Just tried and they dont stack...

[@B-roni]

Waaagh

[@onchristieroad]

I hope its not a bug!

[@TheWoWisok]

Be asking for subscription. Just reminds people to subscribe. With how people get videos promoted to them on their home page based off of what they want. I myself have watched many videos from content creators and forgot that I was not subscribed to them because I keep getting them on my homepage. And then they say to subscribe and I'm like oh crap. I'm actually not subscribed! Also, this video is really cool by the way.

[@TheRealKiRBEY]

yea

[@dive2224]

Have they patched this?

[@jofac22]

Why the fuck wouldnt the game tell you trophies stack?

[@nuudles982]

Need owner of this savefiles explain this !

[@johnpupkin509]

nah, even with bug this doomstack feels lame. took so much damage from nerfed slavshades and t1 trash mobs. pathetic