Wacom Cintiq Pro 17 Review

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[@ryantheanimator1156]

I used to think Wacom is the "be all, end all" when it comes to drawing tablet, but man, Huion opened my eyes to the idea that you don't need to spend thousands of dollars to have a high end drawing tablet for professional purpose. Got a Huion Kamvas 24 Plus and never looked back at Wacom ever again.

[@deepseakraken89]

same specially if mainly use for aniamtion dont need that color accuracy and other stuff, replace my cintiq and intous with huion just because i want a high reso pen display dont want to buy a cintiq pro to expensive

[@charliemartian8720]

Does Huion have decent on screen customizable menus like Wacom?

[@anasevi9456]

Wacom is still worth it; if it's a business subsidy, otherwise nope. I do like the sunk cost cope indie artist whom paid the wacom tax though: That Huion/XP Pen still use batteries, lack tilt, lack laminated etched glass displays; have inferior digitisers, lack touch, don't have felt nibs, or whatever Je ne sais quoi placebo to ease their minds.... Used my Huion Kamvas pro 24 heavily since 2021,was a dirt cheap tablet for a laminated glass 2k display: Glass is still matte with zero wear polish; so even in build quality Wacom isn't gapping either.

[@drinkwoter]

@anasevi9456 they have battery free pen for like 5 years now , even the cheapest models, and everything above 80$ have pentilt on both xp pen and huion

[@ArtfulCosumDust]

​​@@anasevi9456Almost everything you said about that is wrong on those brands except for the touch on most models and even that isn't true.

[@EthanWasHere]

I really appreciate the perspective of your reviews. You do a great job of making it clear who a product is intended for. This seems like one of the best display tablets on the market, but it is distinctly for professional settings. It's something that Disney or Marvel Comics would buy in bulk for their offices. It's not for hobbyists, or even self employed artists who work on commissions. That doesn't make the tablet overpriced or unnecessary, it just doesn't fit the niche that a lot of people who would be looking at tablet reviews fit into. I feel like a lot of tech reviewers on youtube don't actually take the market space a product is filling into account, especially when it comes to art products.

[@MaheerKibria]

I mean even if you are working off commisions and are good at your job the price of this is not cost prohibitive. You can use it as a tax write-off. The question is will it make you more efficient or allow you to take additional jobs. I personally just don't see it being useful. You have worse aRGB gamut than the 16. While it supports HDR its not even HDR 400 certified which means you still need a second reference monitor. As for hobbyist, buy whatever you want. It's not about value it's about having fun. If you have fun with the cheaper alternatives that is great. If you want to have top of the line stuff and can affored it go for it. I get annoyed at unsuccessful so called "self-employed" artist being like this is too expensive or not for "self-employed" artists.

[@dpptd30]

I still don't get why they price the 17 as high as it is, it's not in a good place considering true professionals will choose 20 inch plus screen sizes anyway, while the 17 is still too expensive for the rest of the mid-range professional market, I mean even compared to their own previous Pro 16 from 2021 this is ridiculously overpriced, an extra $900 don't really get you much other than double the refresh rate and brightness, with 1.7 inch extra screen size and built in touch gestures; even adjusting for inflation it is still only slightly less than $700 more expensive than the Pro 16, so I don't see why professionals will not just get the Pro 16 instead, a $2000 price point would have made way more sense compared to both the Pro 16 below and the Pro 22 above. I would say the 17 inch is the worse in terms of value out of the 3 sizes, because when you consider a Pro 24 touch will cost around $3300 today if we adjusted it's launch price for inflation, the 27 inch that cost $3500 and the 22 inch that cost $3000 suddenly doesn't look that bad at all of a deal consider all the new features like high refresh rate, high brightness, high color gamut, and better color accuracy you got on the two new models, the 17 inch just look completely out of place with it's $900 extra over the Pro 16, especially when it even have worse Adobe RGB coverage than the 16, it feels like that it is there to upsale you to a 22 or 27, instead of being a competitive product itself.

[@MaheerKibria]

@@dpptd30 So I don't like this product but I know people that this would be a good solution for. A portable second display for the semi-pro who doesn't like being stuck at his or her desk or someone who doesn't have desk space. You are a 3D animator that has to work at different frame rates. There are a lot of use cases. I have friends who are 3D animators who love using these. The fact that they can work at 24 and 30 frames per second makes it worth it to them. Also by it being small, it's easy for them to have a keyboard because they have an absurd number of hotkeys and macros. I still think it's not a great value but there are a lot of different types of artists and what might seem nonsensical to one group seems reasonable to another.

[@Keji839]

To eliminate shoe stringing on fast lines in photoshop, disable smoothing from brush settings (not the top menu bar. The actual settings panel).

[@eddyalvaross2195]

So it's a photoshop problem.

[@GhostCry100]

Yeah. The smoothing turned off and the smoothing at 0% are not the same thing. The smoothing turned on and at 0% is still doing some interpolations, it's just not amplifying the interpolation strength. You can test by doing an acute curved line (like a U turn) very fast. With smoothing off it'll have some "steps". I've also noticed that the mouse has different length steps than the tablet's pen, probably due to difference in polling rate. Also smoothing completely off is faster in performance than smoothing on and at 0%, but it's almost negligible.

[@aa-tx7th]

for 2500 bucks cintiq had better make a photoshop competitor that can take the art in my mind and f!%king draw it for me while i sleep

[@PauZakArtist]

Clip Studio does not have this issue. all lines are beautiful :D it's photoshop.. not getting its $#!^ together in the last decade. gazillion of ppl asked them to fix it on adobe platform/forums. zero attention, lol. (...)

[@magnusjohansson7156]

Still rocking my cintic 22 HD from back in the day when cintiqs actually came with stands, and wacom was not nickle and daiming their customers for every single little feature.

[@EvilDeadFan11]

I just unboxed one today. It came with the wacom tablet itself, the pen, we ordered the stand, the remote and the glove. I carefully unboxed it and set it up for a user here at work. A few thoughts as well. Those are some of the most heavy duty boxes I've ever touched. I have no doubt it would take a LOT to break one in transit. The craftsmanship are top notch. I'm really impressed. Even the remote feels great. Pro tip: If you open it up and wonder where all the extra buttons, sleeves and the weight that come with the pen, they're in that pen mount that screws into the side. You have to turn it around and pry it open. You can hear all the bits in there.. but none of the documentation says this. In fact the documentation is worse that Ikea. There are pictures, no words for the setup/quick reference, not even a smiley face. Sheesh.

[@CreateNowSleepLater]

I never thought I would ever say that I disagree with every engineering decision that Wacom made with this new line. Small bezels, the reduction of physical express keys, the lack of eraser, the price. I worry for Wacom. I suppose they decided they dont want to tussle with Huion, XPPEN and other at those price points but I dont know how they make enough money to justify such a niche market. People make the same argument about Apple but everyone buys Apple. Wacom isnt as big as you think it is and truthfully, if I gave 90% of digital illustrators a new Huion or XPPen, you wouldnt know the difference in pen performance. All of the EMR patents are expired and the competition's quality has caught up. The biggest difference is nuance in the pressure curve and overall build but man, how do you tell someone to pay $1900 more for a 17" over a competitor 16"? I agree with you Brad. I'm still a fan but I wish they took the pen tech and some of the newer improvements and bundled it into a mid tier.

[@charliemartian8720]

absolutely!!!!

[@KorokuGaming]

Small bezels is a bit of a downgrade for sure... Not sure who they are trying to sell these to lol.

[@Skeliana]

I actually like the idea of smaller bezels and am okay with the lack of an eraser. The smaller bezels make them look and feel more modern and less outdated. If I wanted a display tablet that was a bigger size like this one, Id look for those features. Doesnt mean Id pay $2500 for a bunch of other stuff I dont need and wont use tho lol, which is why Huion's new 19 inch display tablet would be better

[@patataeve]

Yeah, well I'm a comic artist, I'll stay with my x-pen 24 pro and save 2500. If I wanted to burn crazy money on a tablet, I would buy the xencelab's 24. Wacom is just... not it anymore. This is for the BIG studios to buy, not individuals.

[@davidadams8025]

I’m not gonna lie, this is a hard sell in light of Xencelabs’s Pen Display 24. I audibly said “oof” when you said the price out loud. But as always, love your review

[@Kogami]

Yeah...that price and overkill of a spec might as well be sold solely for industrial use

[@GrantSR]

It felt like my heart literally skipped a beat when I heard that price. And I had already read your comment.

[@12463trf]

Oof gang stand up!😅

[@kbhasi]

I can kind of understand. As Brad alluded to in the video, the new Cintiq Pro models seem to be aimed at the likes of professional design and animation studios. To add to that, I think that includes studios already using high-end Wacom products. However, some 'behind the scenes' videos I've seen suggest to me that they buy them and use them for many years before replacing them when they replace their PCs, monitors, etc, so like roughly 5-8 years. For example, two videos I've seen from different animation studios both had their respective character designers using Photoshop on Cintiq 22HDs. Addendum: the studios would likely also frequently run manual colour calibrations on their displays used in the production of their visual content. Addendum 2: Xencelabs Pen Display 24 and similar models from other brands are still options for those who don't need extreme colour accuracy, high resolutions, etc. I've also seen articles online that point to running manual colour calibrations on existing displays.

[@davidadams8025]

@@kbhasi I hear you, but I still think Wacom is way overcharging here. Of course I know lots of teams will stick with what they know because it works well and is reliable. And I feel Wacom is counting on that here to be honest. To your second Addendum, the Xencelabs is the same quality panel….nothing Wacom has here is particularly extraordinary in terms of panel specs. (As far as I can tell) Pantone and Skintone certified, P3, 4K….this is a familiar panel. And it’s a quality one at that. I used a 27QHD during the first 3 years of my career, and frankly the panel was pretty lousy especially in terms of red. I also used the 22HD briefly around the same time, and it was also a fairly inaccurate display at the time…markedly worse than the 27QHD. And they kept that spec for years and years at a premium price. Of course this one is better than those two, but Wacom has dragged their feet for years when it comes to the quality of the image and now passed the cost onto the customer. This simply is not a $2,500 value (3K for 22”) without the stand even. Gotta spend money to make money, I know. But creative pros need to call these companies out for these sort of pricing practices. To move from the Pro 16 previously (which Brad recommends) to 17 has Wacom saying a price jump of 1,000 dollars is appropriate even though the panel is of no higher spec than the $1,800 competitor just doesn’t check out. Wacom is acting like they’re the only game in town. Which in 2023 simply isn’t true.

[@keithartworker]

I am on the 16 pro now having used it for about four years. in September, my studio bought me an iPad pro and now I'm completely spoiled. The Cintiq fan running all the time and the myriad of cables to be mindful of when transporting gets old. I know it's not apples to apples comparison but I have never drawn on an iPad until a few months ago and consider it remarkable.

[@segawalilac]

When I realised Wacom released a 17inch Cintiq pro model, I thought I would have regretted buying the Cintiq Pro 16 2021 relatively recently. But when I saw the price, nope. The 2021 model is ideal for pro-sumer (as in I did some art stuff as a side hustle) and illustrators, as you said. The super high quality colour accurate monitors aren't really needed in our case. I don't really notice the difference with higher refresh rates and I got the Pro Pen 2 slim for my tiny hands. I am intrigued what they would release for the updated non-pro Cintiq line, maybe this would be the model(s) that suits illustrators more.

[@JerryMeehanJr]

I’ve had my 22hd cintiq for almost 10 years now. I can not imagine buying a new one until I got surprised with an iPad Air for Christmas last year and my life changed lol

[@nekomansa]

My problem with the 17 is the 88% AdobeRGB coverage. For that price it's painful for it to be so far behind the 22 and 27.

[@birdie4263]

Same. IMO they should’ve just kept all the technical details the same across the board BUT offer the new cintiq in different sizes for those that don’t want a large display or a small display. The price definitely warrants that.

[@tadeuvi]

In 2010 I bought a cintiq 12wx. It came with a simple foldable metal support. It is still the tablet I use to this day. Wacom may be expensive but is quality/durable stuff.

[@KingHarkinianZC]

I got a used 22HD from an electronics recycler off ebay for 150 bucks. One grip pen, 3rd party power brick, DVI to HDMI adapter later and its perfect. So many buttons and sliders and built like a tank.

[@weescamp]

Thank you for this video. It helped me decide to pull the trigger on the 22 version as an upgrade from an older model. Super pleased with it and the drawing experience with the new pen is the best ive ever used. I agree the prices are insane but sometimes its fun to go a bit mad. 😁

[@ellisett]

Thanks for your opinion. I’m thinking about upgrading my Cintiq 22HD to the Pro 22.

[@MagicalStarr]

As a person who is using my iPad Air 4 gen for a little over a year. I’m fine for what I got and if I do upgrade it’ll definitely be Xp pen

[@404emano]

I'm using the xp pen artist 13.3 pro. I paid 250 to 300 USD. And I tell you that I don't regret it.

[@MagicalStarr]

@@404emano What computer do you use to go along with it?

[@404emano]

@@MagicalStarr acer swift x

[@thecartooncynic]

Ahh, color accuracy, that makes sense. Thankfully I'm just a hobbyist and my Cintiq pro 24 does the job.

[@neothespankplank5839]

Not gonna lie, as a professional artist that has the great pleasure of using the Cintiq Pro line at the office, I still use the Kamvas 24 Plus as my main daily driver from home and it absolutely ticks all the boxes I personally need. Buying a Cintiq Pro as a hobbyist is straight up overkill and not worth the money. I'm not trying to shame you for your purchase lol, if you feel its worth the money then thats great! But I would consider stepping it maybe down a notch until you REALLY need all those advanced features. Because I honestly don't, and I got the comparison between the products every day :D

[@charliemartian8720]

I had the older 24 Cintiq with lower screen res. I heard that there is a lot of fan noise and that the multi-touch is not so great. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

[@neothespankplank5839]

@@charliemartian8720 the Multi Touch is somewhat hit or miss, sometimes it works great, and sometimes it gets really wonky. I honestly turned it off on all Wacom devices because I can't risk a wonky missinput letting me draw on the wrong layer for half an hour haha. I personally never encountered much fan noise, it's there, but it's not super distracting. I usually listen to music while working, helps me to kinda get into the zone, and it never bothered me.

[@roddyalcivar]

I’ve had a couple of wacoms in the past, the monster 24HD and the mobile studio pro 16 first gen. Even though those machines were brilliant and never let me down, I can’t imagine paying this much today for a 17 inch display (can’t remember how I afforded the MSP to be honest) I recently purchased the Xencelabs 24 for a great price and I absolutely love it, was worried to move away from Wacom but glad I did.

[@vidfreek78]

I did find at least in Clip Studio I can undo by tapping two fingers a couple times. Love your reviews Brad. I did get the 27 inch.

[@charliemartian8720]

I read about light leak from another review. Do you notice that on the edges? Thanks

[@vidfreek78]

@@charliemartian8720 I didn’t notice any light leaking, but I do have some issues with the touch not being as responsive as my iPad. Also, the palm rejection is not the best either I tend to get stray marks all over my artwork, but I have to go back and clean up. Sometimes it’s best for me just to turn off the touch altogether if I’m drawing in a specific area, I do think I should’ve probably waited to buy the Wacom 27in. I think I was expecting it to be more responsive. Drawing on it is great though, it’s the touch feature I was really going for and I was a bit disappointed.

[@Cyndakip]

Perhaps a bit overpriced but still probably the best in the industry. I have a Kamvas RDS 220 22' 2.5k coming from a Cintiq Pro 16. Only the Apple Pencil matches the Cintiq pen for accuracy and consistency. Huion is fine if you're heavy handed and don't use tilt. But if you have a light hand and are traditionally trained, used to using tilt to lay down light construction lines... Huion doesn't quite cut it. It's a very good tablet and will get the job done and obviously the value proposition is MUCH better... but honestly the Wacom pen felt so natural to draw with. And that will affect how often you want to pick it up to work. Also the Cintiq pens are just the most accurate, hands down. Huion and XP Pen have cursor offset issues that become really noticeable around the edges and you've got to calibrate more. The new Cintiq Pro 22' sounds amazing just gotta save up now lol

[@404emano]

I bought the xp pen artist 13.3 pro. I paid 250 to 300 USD. And I tell you that I don't regret it.❤ it feels like dreaming on a paper.

[@pinkstarknight]

And in countries like Mexico, it's more expensive to buy any tablet, but especially Wacom, they have prices extremely expensive. I bought an Intuos pro like 2 years ago, and in one week I said, it doesn't worth for the price. I paid like MX$11,500 it's about dll$655.21. It's like twice the price in U.S.A. It doesn't worth for the price because I never felt a premium tablet, in least of two weeks the surface of the tablet was gone, and I'm not going to pay MX$1,500 (dll$85.40)for changing the surface of the tablet. But don't get me wrong, it's a nice tablet for drawing, but it's not worth the price in Mexico. I can't imagine the price of this tablet here. It's going to be impossible to pay.😮‍💨

[@carlosemiralonso7997]

Felt the same, im from Argentina. Notice that not only the prices are doubled or tripled but also the general earning here is low so it felt like x4 the price.

[@Keji839]

I got the cintiq pro 24 used for $1,100 (had the stand and mounts and many accessories) i will never upgrade it. It is perfect especially with the massive bezels

[@pixelpusher1393]

Besides the ridiculous price, that is what turns me off from Wacom´s most recent iteration of the Cintiq line: The narrow bezels. I really believe the previous 32 and 24 Pros (and the older 27 QHD as well) were ideal.

[@Figuremakr]

Bought the 2021 Cintiq Pro 16 new for $800. Pretty happy with my ROI. -Built in stand -Easy access side buttons. I suspect you can attach that fancy new wacom stand to it?

[@purinpat]

Some people said the parallax issues is better on the 17 pro than the 16 pro. Did you notice that?

[@BreadedNuggetss]

honestly, for me, if you want a high end tablet as an illustraitor the pro line wacom has is great. Theres always ones going for around 1.2k-1.8k on ebay that come with either an arm or a stand included.

[@kbhasi]

I agree, as I've seen older Wacom pen tablets and displays for sale on my local online classifieds. I've even seen relatively recent 'behind the scenes' videos from some animation studios where some of the employees can be seen using Cintiq 22HDs (though the studios would likely replace them with newer models as part of an IT upgrade that includes replacing PCs, monitors, etc), and I do remember watching an Instagram video from one of my favourite freelance comic artists where he was seen using a Cintiq 21UX.

[@eddyalvaross2195]

This price tag is only for wealthy and rich people. Not everybody. Instead of focusing on affordable technology, these greedy folks only care about money and think they can allow themselves to raise the price just for a few additional colors and 4k resolution. Wacom is a scam at this point.

[@anasevi9456]

not for me, it's just not worth the price premium new or used. I bought an older Huion kamvas pro 24 for $500 almost 3 years ago; and I love it because it has the same super durable build quality of my old Cintiq 22HD, with the very nice scrolling strips of my original Cintiq 12WX, and has the modern laminated and etched glass higher res screen of modern tablets. Even have felt nibs. Am biased though as my last wacom was a 2017 Cintiq 16 pro; and honestly that tablet was a dumpsterfire, super hot, screechy fan, buggy 4k support; bad touch recognition.

[@justcolin2138]

Honestly never gonna buy this but I still watch every video. Im currently comparing the value of a lot of things I definitely cannot afford

[@marcuslewitzki4610]

For me, the big thing about this new line of Cintiq Pros is the 120Hz refresh rate. That's the one thing that's going to make a big difference for any artist, at least for those of us who draw and sketch on these things. The rest of the upgrades I could do without to be honest. The pen-to-screen experience is THE most important aspect of any pen display so reducing parallax and pen lag are the most crucial features.

[@gmcubed]

Ah, yea, I dont think many will need color accuracy to this level at all, but I agree, refresh rate helps a ton. I wonder if there are any competing in this aspect, is it just wacom? (not counting android based tablets, just desktop screen tablets)

[@marcuslewitzki4610]

@@gmcubed Well, Huion and XP Pen are seemingly the two biggest competitors when it comes to pen displays. But to my knowledge only the iPad Pro has a refresh rate of 120Hz. Huion's and XP Pen's best and largest pen displays all have 60Hz (I think), which Wacom also did not too long ago. Both Huion and XP Pen will probably have their own 120Hz versions out soon enough. As soon as that happens it will all be a matter of who can offer the best price and Wacom will not be able to compete with them. I think both Huion and XP Pen are Chinese so, Wacom will have to focus on other features to keep their lead. Features most of us aren't really interested in I think.

[@maidoll_fei]

The 120hz is pointless for drawing. You still get a drawing delay because it is not cause by refresh rate.

[@gmcubed]

@@maidoll_fei I think it's a combo of both os and hardware. Not all of it is in refresh rate, but certainly some of it.

[@maidoll_fei]

​@@gmcubed I am using 27pro. I can tell you there is almost no difference compare to old 24HD on brush/drawing delay. It is great for watching video or gaming (a monitor for everything). The problem on 17pro is why it choose reflesh rate over color range. No one going to gaming on that small screen. or it should able to do 120hz + 95% adobe rgb for that price

[@moshmoshpitpit]

Awesome review! Still wish the contrast ratio was better (iPad Pro spoils). Also nice shirt!

[@don-dori]

For the price, it would indeed make more sense if it had better contrast ratio and higher peak brightness for HDR. Like this it's overpriced considering they added $1k to the price and didn't improve much compared to the previous gen (just a new pen and different design basically).

[@Natures-Best777s]

FINALLY WEVE BEEN WAITING

[@matslarsson5988]

I guess Huion and Xp-Pen will see a considerable amount of new customers in the next couple of years, unless they go the same way with pricing that is.

[@AaravKumar-r7t]

17 inch is a good size than 16 inch. I think the effortless working size is 20 inch if refresh rate, response time and smoothness of screen is fast and fluid.

[@MaheerKibria]

I generally am ok with Wacom's prices. This time though I am not. Like there are things about this that make me want to like it, but as this display is right now It just doesn't add enough value. So 120 Hz is nice and while i would have prefered 8ms response time 10 ms is ok. And the additional gamut is appreciated. However. Since this is an LCD panel the 400 cd/m^2 means you can't really work with HDR content and need to still use a second reference monitor. For whatever reason this display has worst aRGB gamut than the 16. I just feel like I would rather have the 16 with a good secondary display. Or the 22 or 27 for the larger display. This product just doesn't make sense.

[@oswros]

I think if Wacom keeps producing these super expensive devices is because they sell them very well. I'll wait for your review of the new XP-Pen Artis 22 plus. Still not sure if I would buy that one because I was hoping for a 2.5 res monitor and it is 1920 x 1080 high resolution (why!?). So I'll wait for your opinion, Brad. Thank you for all the information you give to the people who need to know more about these kinds of products.

[@MacBamboocha]

I already have a Cintiq 16, but now that I draw a lot on the go, I kinda miss my touch functionalities. A lot in fact! I'm also trying to find a second screen for my laptop and I thought I could recycle the old one for my office. So I thought an upgrade could do me a solid as a combo tablet and second screen. I love everything about this new Wacom tablet! Perfect size, 4k, touch, pen with three buttons... but holy moly the price point for my usage is just beyond my limits. C'mon now!

[@Oliver-gammarART]

Does it have a noisy fan as all Cintiq Pro before?

[@franciscodetonne4797]

What do I think? It isn't for me, maybe ever. This is for the ultra professionals working in very big companies and studios. Not for an individual like me, so I will stick with other brands I guess.

[@knightgorp]

What about the fans on this thing? I had the 27 Pro and sent it back due to the loud fans. Is it any different on the small one?

[@smithyjake]

Maybe Wacom will release a 24in or 22in 2.5K model, Pro Pen 3, without touch, selling for $2000 to fill the gap between 22HD and Wacon Cintiq Pro 22.

[@SoftwareManiacLSM]

Also I do camtasia recording if graphics how-to videos. With new Cintiq Pros my XLR mic picks up the fan!!! So I’m using Wacom One for recording.

[@gjaeigjiajeg]

I'm guessing their Movink product is newer than the Cintiq Pro product line. The Movink has a one-cable connection to provide power, connectivity, and display signals (DisplayPort protocol if I'm not mistaken). It is also a lot thinner. The only drawback is only 1080p resolution and 13 inch. Hopefully they will come up with a larger screen version of a Movink with 4k res - there is no reason why you can't do this with one single USB-C connection. It's definitely got the data rate and power delivery capabilities to do the job.

[@charliemartian8720]

I appreciate the honest review. 110%! 3000k$ for a 22 inch display tablet is pretty much crazyville for me! I also saw a review on the 27 Pro and there is considerable "light leak" YIKES!!! Why is it so hard for the developers of display tablets to make a 22 inch 2k or 4k tablet? I don't need 24-27-32 inch tablet, nor do I want to squint at tiny menus on a 14-16 inch screen. And... why not multi touch but even without touch, I really want better resolution - 2k would be so nice. Am I missing a product somewhere that is 22"? (note: I had a Cintiq 24" for about 6 years and replaced it with an XP-Pen Artist 22. and my only gripe is it's 1080 and Wacom is the only company with on screen customizable menus.- radial menus) Any suggestions are appreciated.

[@peacesjames]

In some countries is available the huion kamvas rds 220 22 inch 2.5k . Check if it is on the market in your country. Not in Italy where I live, I got kamvas 24 plus last year

[@CarolinaSportz]

I'll wait for the holidays to see if there are any discounts.

[@GrantSR]

I'm looking for something like that stand, but for my existing tablet. And for a lot less than $450. My eyes are getting old, and i like to have the screen closer to my face when I draw.

[@Montai]

I think your linework looks better on the cintiqs. Idk what it js.

[@markanthonyart]

totally overkill if you already have a color pro monitor to proof your work on (just drag it to the other monitor, we all have one right?)

[@veganjotaro]

These screens are the type of super advanced tech in sci-fi futuristic movies but irl and that's insane to me, a BILLION COLORS?!!!! 4K drawing display with a thin screen and all?!! That's stuff is the future it just happens to be in the present already holy shi-

[@veganjotaro]

@@creativeunoriginals5173 🤯💀

[@markanthonyart]

How is the touch? Is it as good as a Samsung Tab or iPad? And palm rejection?

[@raruteam]

I would really like if they make the Wacom Art pen for cheaper models too, or something similar on Huion tablets, I wonder if the tech is copyrighted.

[@squatzilla]

great Video Brad... is the fan noisy on the 17? I recall when i had the Pro 16 that the fan was whirring away all the time

[@merlinoner]

I'd like to know as well.

[@merlinoner]

And also if it's possible to change the brightness of the screen without going through a menu that takes 10 seconds to load...

[@ashacklett01]

good review brad. do you have any videos talking about how you like to setup your photoshop workspace?

[@Olat67]

I would rather something bigger trying to get a Wacom 27 pro

[@Wraith26]

The wires sticking up like that is so ugly to see. Doesn’t look streamlined.

[@Crashlander]

It's so chunky! I think I prefer the thinner 16 Pro. How is the fan noise?

[@nadavy111]

honestly.. I think its too pricey and.. probably will consider a new iPad Pro 12+ Pen wacom do try to get into a lower range of budget for professional use, but still iPad + the apps just carry it to a higher standard.

[@chimeron260]

if they could drop the old cintiq price to like 800 or 900 it would be a steal.

[@pablomonzon87]

Imposible to afford it in Latin America (also the Pro 16). 🙄 Wacom is getting more and more expensive every year.

[@AyKayEl]

For less than the price of the tablet you can get the 24inch pro and a flex arm

[@booksketball]

the stand costing more than my drawing tablet is crazy

[@velvi8359]

Yeah, when he claimed that it was "a REALLY nice stand" all I could think was 'For 500 bucks I'd hope so, that thing better be able to stand up off the table and give you a damn back massage for that price'.

[@lasherainey3738]

Can you draw on it and see what you are drawing in real time on a screen like of you used it for a presentation?

[@pixelpusher1393]

The price is just plain ridiculous.

[@DrawnToFantasyBertross]

I think when the screens are around the 15-22” the screens really need to be 16:10 ratio. The added depth adds a lot to usability. 120hz is nice and if you’re a gamer/artist it would be ideal but on 17”? Maybe not so much. Price is pretty insane. A non Pantone version of the same models would bring the cost down.

[@Flyyyyy-]

Hi Brad! In which position would you place the XP-Pen Artist Pro 16 (Gen 2) in the ranking of 16" screen reviews on your website? Above or below the Huions and cintiqs you tested? I find this ranking very useful and would help me decide my choice. Thank you very much!

[@siew2738]

Hi. I got Artist 16 Pro Gen 2 (upgrade from Wacom Cintiq 16 (2019). It's great drawing device. It can draw nice diagonal lines in Clip Studio but not in Photoshop cause you will see some slight wobble with default smoothing turned on. Depends on what kind of drawing that you're aiming for, it best for character designs, frame to frame animations and other casual drawings. I noticed the colors are warmer or more "reddish" (like skin color) than what I saw in monitor and I can't adjust that unfortunately. What differs from Cintiq 16 2019 is the screen lamination from Cintiq is thicker like 2mm compare to Artist 16 Pro about 1mm or less. The less lamination means the less pen Parallax effect you will be seeing. The old Cintiq is heavier and thicker than XpPen.

[@Flyyyyy-]

@@siew2738 Can you tell me if you purchased directly from the XPPen website, did the import from China go smoothly and within the expected time frame? I know that the Cintiq 16 is already an old product with 4 years of launch, and that it loses in all technical specifications to the Artist Pro 16 Gen2 that has just been launched. But I still have doubts between the two because it is Wacom, and from most reviews it seems to be a very reliable and long-lasting product. Do you feel like you've really upgraded or is there an element that you liked more in the Cintiq16?

[@Flyyyyy-]

I work most with 3D and ZBrush using a Wacom Bamboo, but I want a Pen Display precisely to be able to do LineArt when working with illustration in Photoshop, so the point you mentioned about the wobble would be a problem, but I wouldn't be able to go for a Cintiq Pro at this moment because the budget, and that's why I'm between these two options. Sorry for the long text hehe, and once again thank you very much for your answer @@siew2738

[@siew2738]

@@Flyyyyy- Hi. Cause I'm from Malaysia, buying from Lazada's XPPen Malaysia Store (ready stock) only takes 5 days to deliver. Bought it during the 11.11 sale, it cost about MYR1983(USD423). Pretty affordable than Wacom's 😊 I wasn't sure about how the XPPen will perform in long term, but I'm sure that it requires more powerful pc/laptop hardware to draw on 300dpi A4 canvas cause I noticed few seconds line lagging from the pen. Performance wise are mostly the same and I don't missed much from Cintiq 16 2019 just the slow diagonal lines. It's personal preference though. The grease/sweat marks on XPPen screen are harder to wipe it out with damp cloth. Looks like permanent I think😅

[@Flyyyyy-]

Hi @@siew2738 Thank you very much for your detailed answer. I'm really appreciate. I´m was looking for reviews from people who actually bought the Artist Pro 16 Gen2. It's even better that it comes from someone who had the Cintiq 16, which is the Pen Display that I'm trying to decide between which one to buy

[@eljuli1003]

There is always an inner desire to buy expensive things no matter what, but this wacom display is not impressive enough to empty your bank account.

[@orangeofmars2835]

I am having problems with my Huion 13 2.5K no signals so need to upgrade. Looking at this one though would like to go less expensive and want to go Wacom now that Huion is such a hassel. I am willing to spend the extra $$$ to not have problems.

[@SoftwareManiacLSM]

Once you install the adjustable "fancy stand", can you remove the Wacom Cintiq Pro 17 tablet from the stand for portability? Thanks, Brad.

[@SoftwareManiacLSM]

Yes just don’t screw in the top cap.

[@AaravKumar-r7t]

Sir, is Cintiq 16 pro better value for budget conscious over 17 pro? Will 16 pro feel cramped while drawing?

[@stevenwhite7125]

Hi Brad, Thanks for all the great content. Short question: With all your experience purchasing Wacom Display's. Do you recommend purchasing the the protection plans that are offered at checkout? Have you ever found yourself needing/using them? Anyone can jump in. Thanks in advance.

[@rockchinainbox]

crazy how that fancy stand alone costs the same as my huion 16'' 4k 😵‍💫

[@jimmyjamm2752]

Do Asus Flow x16 review

[@jimmyjamm2752]

And or Flow z13

[@andyir___]

telling the truth, appreciate that!

[@flavour842]

i really just want huion to do 120hz so I can just have a single monitor for drawing and gaming on the cheap

[@ghio0311]

Appreciate the thorough review! I've been experiencing latency concerns with the newer models (post 13HD) during sketching, where it feels like the tablet is playing catch-up with my strokes. Wondering if this is still an issue with the latest models? Despite the 120Hz, I'm skeptical about USB-C surpassing the direct connectivity benefits of displayport or HDMI, especially when plugged directly into the graphics card. What's your take on this?

[@piratelego1]

when do you think wacom will launch the new version of cintiq non pro?

[@KorokuGaming]

Do you think the ack620k stand for the Cintiq 16 will work with the Cintiq Pro 17?

[@nichi446]

Omg Wacom just launch a pro pen 3 intuos pro, JUST DO IT

[@midollafun]

I know right pls lol, I rather have a pen tablet 😂

[@tccova1212]

Are you gonna update your top drawing tablet list or is what you have on there what you think is best and up-to-date even with the new tablets that have come out?

[@ganeshphad291]

Hey Brad. A little question here. Do you think the other cintiq pro versions also have the color profile switching compatibility.

[@psyanah4542]

That price is absolutely insane. Huion it is then for me, no matter how good Wacom is

[@mrzokrym4748]

Refurbed Wacom 16 is the way. Or huion I guess. I had a Parblo coast but soon swapped it for a Wacom because it was too fiddly and never just worked.

[@alemieux3]

Did the 17" feel big enough or would you prefer the 22" The cost is definitely prohibitive.

[@yes--mate3]

can you use wacom pen on huion tablet

[@Cadetnine]

I want to get one but i also need to get a apple related computer but what is compatible with this device?

[@jakechiam]

Does anyone know if this Wacom Cintiq Pro 17 Stand compatible with previous models like the Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 DTH167?

[@artfoolosophy8580]

What I think about it? Overkill! The only people who would buy it are the big companies such as Sony and Pixar because they love to spend mon...sorry, I mean "invest". The only time I would buy it is when I have 7 figure bank account. Until then, Huion does everything I want,only exception is the touch screen which would be a big help.

[@greggoryburt7919]

I owned the Huion and it’s not even remotely the same as the Wacom 17, 22 or 27.

[@artfoolosophy8580]

@@greggoryburt7919 Does these minuscule differences make you a worse artist? Only poor carpenter blame his tools.

[@Artofcarissa]

Wait so if it doesn’t come with an hdmi or display port cable, is it just able to connect with the usb c and the power and that’s it? Or do you need an hdmi for it to work?

[@bagirute112]

After using pro 13 and having the worst experience ever i dont think i can trust wacom anymore with displays. Especially when their price is unrealistic

[@toxicyt4402]

Can u use that and make a video i want to know more

[@dzibanart8521]

Can you review the innocn 27 p1u pro? 4k 27in touchscreen display with mpp2.0 support, super accurate display, and it is quantum dots.

[@Redmoon074]

they need to make intuos pro 2 with the new pro pen 3 that pen is amazing.. and intuos pro tablets are in need of a upgrade and redesign

[@ArtPoetryImages]

How do you like it compared to the 27 Pro?

[@Nana-tl3hg]

nah nah nah yes i have to restart my huion because it resets every single time but paying that for less size? im not an idiot, that money could go to something else

[@stevenkkim]

Shame it doesn't have power over the usb-c cable. Would be nice to have a single cable setup.

[@CreateNowSleepLater]

The 4K display power spec is more than that implementation of USB-C. It isnt Thunderbolt or USB4 is the problem.

[@nelyrions1838]

Even if i got some use for it. Even if i can buy this VAT free with 50% off from taxes, it is still crazy too expensive. I'm a professional and i just can't motivate buying a 17 inch drawing tablet for 2.5k dollars, including adddional taxes for Europe. Actually.. just checked the price. It's just under 3000 dollars here. It's insane. Wacom needs to release a product line of affordable alternatives. Not like the previous ones where it wasn't even able to compete with Huion and XP-pen even if they were more expensive. They need to up their games cause this.. this is not good.

[@SheffieldAbella]

Any barrel rotation with the included pens?

[@lastbrat7334]

no

[@Edinburgh1000]

Brad, you didn't mention if this has fans?

[@RAGHAV4882]

I was wondering WHEN will that live unboxing was gonna turn into a review. Now i have two videos for a product that I cant buy but couldnt help being an appreciator of. Question: you havent reviewed any flow asus zephyrus x13/x16 laptops. been more than 2 generations. Is that something on your radar? Do check those out if you get time. Edit: external GPUs made me consider them for 3d scultping but no channel covered those laptops for anything more than gaming ultrabooks.

[@geebrown6443]

Tablet pro has done extensive reviews on asus flow z13 and x16 (has vids here on yt). The asus pen has bad jitter. Using the surface slim pen 2 will improve the drawing experience but that also has jitter. The major issues are build quality, poor battery life and the possibility of crashing with asus if you look at buyer reviews from different sellers. You can find another useful review by tablet79 (korean but has a eng sub yt vid review on it).

[@SundayLunch]

Guess I’ll wait for zbush iPad version an pick a new iPad Pro

[@fablewalls]

Brad.... 2:06 - how many Photographers are going to buy a Wacom tablet over something like a BenQ or an Apple XDR? Yeah, I get that some might use a stylus manually adjusting or use a brush for touching areas up but most will spend the money on the best, clearest monitor they can afford over a colour accurate drawing screen.

[@blendragon28]

Do these new models have the loud annoying fan like the Pro 27 does? If not I may switch to a smaller one because the fan drives me crazy

[@greggoryburt7919]

I own the 27 and never hear the fan. Have you tried a firmware upgrade?

[@blendragon28]

@@greggoryburt7919 the new Pro 27? It’s a very common issue just read any review

[@sterlingmorris2701]

@@greggoryburt7919 I have an older 27 QHD, looking to upgrade to the 27 Pro and I'm also worried about the fans, or excessive heat. My 27QHD stays mostly pretty cool, and there are no fans at all.