Is the Monsterverse better Fun or Realistic?

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

Better to do both to appeal to both sides. A grounded take makes the kaiju feel more unique in a sense that these prehistoric beast exist in a world identical to our own but the fantastical routes allow for more creativity when you don't have realism limiting your options. The MV works for it's versatility. Not because of sticking to 1 note like a 1 trick pony. Just like godzilla's whole character. If godzilla is versatile and has range, so can any universe he exist in.

[@steven_l619]

The problem with the MV is the fact it has no ground to stand on it started with realism and should stay in that realm because that's where it started. You can add fantasy elements as you go but it needs to stay cohesive to the universe it started in, the problem is whoever is snorting cocaine in the writers room and going "fuck it make it an MCU movie" where it devolves into a child smashing kiju toys together and characters that basically say "are we funny? Is this funny? No. Ok we'll keep doing childish humor." The MV is basically going more and more goofy and it has no realism anymore or any serious tone, witch is making it a bad franchise weather you enjoy it or not and that will be it's downfall.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@@steven_l619 Buddy the MV had no rule that says it should of stayed grounded. Saying it should of stayed grounded is the same as saying *The whole franchise should be minus 1 and gojira cause both are grounded* so how about not applying your own bias to the equation and calling it fact?. G14 was grounded but it's biggest issue was the writing which is a ACTUAL issue the MV needs to tackle. Being serious/grounded isn't a excuse for bad writing. The setting is hardly a issue when monarch/skull island were grounded and gxk isn't. Showing the MV can go back and forth between settings whenever it wants to. Having the MV remain the same tone and style for every movie will get old and stale extremely quickly. This is why depending on who's in charge for each entry, some will be grounded or fantastical or campy or serious. Bad writing is a issue found across the WHOLE spectrum. That's the biggest issue. Following your logic, if a G film is dark that must mean someone in the writer's room was saying *Let's make this movie for wannabe emos/edgelords* when there's many kaiju films, both inside and outside the franchise that had a balanced lighthearted/serious tone (vs mechagodzilla 2/gamera the brave) that had well written characters. Gamera the brave wasn't as dark as g14 and that film STILL had the emotional story g14 lacked. The MV works in variety. Not appealing to 1 group and ignoring the other.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@K.D.Sedits the term "grounded" refers to the setting, not the kaiju themselves. Godzilla minus 1 was grounded for example and still worked

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@K.D.Sedits Doesn't take away the fact godzilla works in both ways

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@K.D.Sedits both matter as godzilla works in both ways and if gojira (which was a grounded film) didn't exist, the franchise wouldn't. Following that logic, gojia didn't matter. Don't apply your own bias to the equation

[@Kaiju_Lord]

King of the Monsters is the perfect Monsterverse movie aesthetically and tonally. It's dark and takes itself seriously, but it does have fun

[@Izywik90]

Too bad the story itself fell flat

[@Kaiju_Lord]

@@Izywik90 Ehhh the story doesn't matter as much in movies like this. People aren't coming for the story

[@Izywik90]

@@Kaiju_Lord dude Godzilla became a global pop icon because of the unique and dark story from the original 1954 film about nuclear power and survivor's guilt. I have nothing against you personally but statements like that are the reason modern day Hollywood movies suck, justifying bad and lazy writing.

[@Dunno683]

How did the story fall flat? Alien invader brought back by crazy humans. Godzilla has to step up to beat it. What sorta story are you looking for? It's a movie about giant monsters are you expecting inception ​@@Izywik90

[@Izywik90]

@@Dunno683 The way you put it is simple on paper but the way they executed it was poorly done

[@dev4159]

we need more Godzilla King of the Monsters, it was the best one with both "realism" and "wacky" balance

[@CobbleBompster]

Spot on!!!

[@jacobodom8401]

Seriously, I don't understand the hate for the human characters in that film. A couple of them were annoying sure. But overall, it had a central story with characters going on a journey - and we're not just there to deliver plot information. It was very much dealing, with concepts of faith and loss, as well as our relationship to nature. I like the 2014 film, but let's be honest - when Joe (Bryan Cranston's character) died in the film, almost all emotional weight of the story was taken out of its sails. his son Ford was basically a cardboard cutout with very little emotions which made it hard to be invested in him. We didn't see him spend much time with his wife, which again made it difficult to care about them. Meanwhile, in 2019, I was way more invested in the family story.

[@ibanez11]

​@@jacobodom8401 Its not the human story nor character isn't great but the way them excuse kinda overwhelming. like you're watching a full epic kaiju scene and then the fight immediately transition to human POV which is really ruined the experience. thats what KoTM lack of. but cant change the fact last talk with dr serizawa and Godzilla himself is beautiful wholesome

[@SurferSilver]

2014 Godzilla was dark, grounded, gorgeous, scary, and for adults. I am an adult I don’t want to see a glow tick flying about like a video game character

[@kneckno8356]

​@@CobbleBompsterHello again

[@BraydenBarras4174]

Let’s be real at the end of the day we’re humans and all we wanna see is good characters and epic kaiju battles🤣🤣🤣

[@kennethsatria6607]

Said good characters also include the monsters, which I think this series has been succeeding in very well with Godzilla and Kong having certain complexities, flaws, noble qualities and all.

[@ThePilotPhoenix]

nah mate , i think that the good thing in a movie is to be well made , graet plot , good characters , i dont want to see crazzy collors just poping up , i can just wacth anime that i actually dont like and thats why i am more of a grounded movie guy

[@ryomensukuna4526]

Speak for yourself

[@GengarFan1997]

Speak for yourself bruh

[@PakistaniConservativeSocialist]

Who's we?

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

If it's ok for ToHo to go dark and serious then fun and wacky then so can the Monsterverse. Calling it realistic though is a huge stretch

[@sylvanmoney]

Fr

[@Theamericannightmar7]

Nothing in godzilla will really be realistic

[@CattusTheDevourer]

Ya'll are basically amoeba's

[@JaredHerron-vj6rf]

@@Theamericannightmar7Exactly

[@TherandomshitstormerCXVII]

@@Theamericannightmar7the only realistic one was the tristar one and they went way too realistic for a Godzilla movie

[@iamdanielmonroe]

My issue isn’t that they’re doing the fun and wacky tone, the issue I have is they are doing it within the same universe. Imagine if, in the sequel to Minus One, Toho randomly decided to make the tone goofy and over the top within the same world and Godzilla that was in Minus one. That’s how it feels seeing the 2014 version shift into this more campy direction. Nothing wrong with variety but it’d be less jarring for fans if there was a separate series for that tone.

[@CobbleBompster]

HOLY SHIT, THANK YOU! For some reason everyone has just been acting like since the Showa era did crazy silly stuff, that gives the MV an excuse to do the same things, when they have no real connection other than reference and characters. This is the exact same thing that happened to Tim Burton’s Batman movies towards the end.

[@iamdanielmonroe]

@@CobbleBompster EXACTLY! I feel gaslit by people acting like they don't understand this concept! Lol Like am I the only one who recognizes this problem?!! 😅

[@Rengokuo4o6]

But 2014 was trash No?

[@iamdanielmonroe]

@@Rengokuo4o6 Not trash imo. Definitely not a perfect movie either by any means but tonally my cup of tea.

[@Rengokuo4o6]

@@iamdanielmonroe Okay. Different opinions. My favourite will always be Kong skull island.

[@jupiter5673]

Honestly the Monsterverse is best when it has a perfect blend between fun entertainment and realistic VFX

[@CobbleBompster]

KOTM: you called…

[@Jawsfan2009]

All the MonsterVerse movies except for Godzilla 2014 and Kong skull island

[@DG._Vlogz]

I prefer the realistic 2014 type

[@kedwyd6535]

Same, it allows for a more creative, dark and memorable story rather than the goofy side which is mainly for memes. I get godzilla is pretty goofy but based on how well and memorable the serious films were (particularly 2014, which is the best legendary godzilla movie to date), I can't see how they can go wrong now apart from bad writing

[@deshawnwilliams6939]

@@kedwyd6535 Best?

[@Godofnothingness6]

Me too

[@Ningamer-bo7ej]

​​@@kedwyd6535i think they should make fun and dark ones in order like ask audience about what they want to see in monsterverse. Next dark and serious one can definitely be about destroyah which would make many people angry if they chose no one is safe way for it. and after that exploring space can be even darker and serious one similar to the alien series humans already have a source for energy so a movie about them exploring monsterverse universe will be great.

[@The_MEMEphis]

​@@kedwyd6535he's barely in the movie

[@sarahrebbavarapu2331]

I think they should do a mix of both

[@MrE10]

I agree

[@Still.the.best.2021]

Hensei and Millenium is praticaly both so why can't monsterverse?

[@ultronemperor3525]

@@Thirdprey Mothra and a lot of other magic kaiju hardly desagree...

[@Dirteater123]

disagree

[@Colosseum892]

I was just gonna say that lol

[@wasquash]

eh i really think we can have both. in fact right now we kinda do. all of the japanese movies recently have been insanely grounded and emotional while the monsterverse is beginning to edge towards fun

[@kingshark9057]

Godzilla 2014 is still my favourite monsterverse movie and i thought they were going for a serious tone but they switched it up afterwards i don't mind it but i wish they balanced both instead of going full comedy at times

[@kedwyd6535]

same kinda

[@BiggeMK]

I wish all the MV movies were like 2024

[@CobbleBompster]

@@BiggeMKI wish they were all like KOTM. Perfect middle ground = Everyone is pleased.

[@UndyAHundy]

We really have lost something since 2014 and, as a lifelong Godzilla fan, I'm let down that we lost the initial "promise" of the Monsterverse.

[@kedwyd6535]

@@UndyAHundy true. I really wished the monsterverse had that same energy and tone that we were promised from the godzilla 2014 comic-con teaser

[@LowBatteryYT]

I absolutely love Godzilla 2014 and how it plays out like a mix of a horror and disaster film. And the way they film the Kaiju makes them feel bigger than any other adaptation, The airport scene, the HALO jump scene, the atomic breath scene, the MUTO escape scene are all iconic and extremely tense moments that I still remember years on.

[@nailabid]

Realistic Meanwhile a giant lizard eats nuclear station fight a big bug and a 3 head dragon from space while doing sex with a giant butterfly

[@KingAshtray]

Last part is wild

[@nailabid]

@@KingAshtray yeah it is

[@NM-ue8on]

Aw hell nah the last part 💀

[@SpaceWaffler]

💀

[@nul_pf]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ZephyrDeffry]

Legendary: is so unrealistic!!! Toho: making godzilla dance by winning and flying with his beams and kicking with his tail.

[@SpaceWaffler]

my man we're not in 1900s anymore

[@ZephyrDeffry]

Thats true but the toho channel in yt has old videos posting still.

[@balthus9105]

@@SpaceWaffler 2000's Godzilla was shot with a black hole gun and survived. Stupid is timeless.

[@MrWaSpY-Trn]

​@@balthus9105 I Mean Hey, Can you Say that Godzilla/Gojira had "Plot Armor", Right 🙃?

[@BiggeMK]

Those were the showa movies, we don’t talk about those

[@gargamella69]

2014 was the best Monster verse movie imo

[@madaxgaming6405]

Yeah, i just can't like the new movies, CGI battles of fake monsters get boring real fast whitout a semi good story, 2014 Godzilla is a cinema Masterpiece compared to the new brainless movies, it's basically what happend to the Jurassic world movies 👍

[@strikebomber2944]

the worst

[@spongebobgod2128]

@@madaxgaming6405godzilla and king are two epic looking monsters that people just wanna see fight. not everyone movie has to have writing like breaking bad. it would get annoying to always be focused on the humans. most people including me just wanna see these big mfs fight and pull some mortal combat fatalitys

[@madaxgaming6405]

@@spongebobgod2128 who wants to SEE humans? The Big problem whit 2014's Godzilla was the humans, and they wanted to include humans in the Kong vs Godzilla one, Monster movies can be really good whitout the brainless part, remove 90% of the human story in 2014's and You got what i mean.

[@The_MEMEphis]

He's barely in the movie

[@SokWorld2007]

For me, it's both. I like serious grounded Godzilla films but I also like fun and batshit crazy Godzilla films. I think that's why I can sort of like the Heisei Godzilla films and some of the Millennium Godzilla films since they have a mixture of serious and whacky stuff in their films.

[@cjkalandek996]

You can be realistic AND fun at the same time. But my thing is if the monsters are animated in an unrealistic way, such as these 600 foot tall creatures moving faster than things that size would and/or could move, it sucks out the fun for me. Because if you're not taking anything about your story (including your story world) seriously, it becomes distracting and therefore, shatters your suspension of disbelief. That's why the 2014 _Godzilla_ and _Kong: Skull Island_ have the best animated fights.

[@dilfandyourmomlover]

eh KOTM has also very realsitic representation on how they moved

[@legakattack4771]

​@@dilfandyourmomlover*decently realistic

[@dilfandyourmomlover]

@@legakattack4771 well yeah

[@legakattack4771]

@@dilfandyourmomlover for clarification Godzilla running fast enough into Ghidorah to create a shockwave is a little crazy but he *was* juiced up and the Ghidorah fight with rodan looked good so the physics weren't bad just obviously 2014s were better.

[@stick-em-up2904]

@@legakattack4771my take exactly.

[@bryanperezvaquero6348]

It would be both cause Godzilla can be anything in different eras. That's why Godzilla became so successful, both companies wanted to make something different to make the stories more entertaining

[@conandrake444]

KTOM was a good mix between the two somehow. Plus some shots were so good damn !

[@Izywik90]

KOTM had the right idea but it was executed horribly with its messy plot, the Monsters being poorly handled, and milked action that felt exhausting like Bayformers. Plus, the shots were NOT good

[@conandrake444]

It's far from a pefect movie yes ^^ But Mothra opening her wings scene ?

[@Izywik90]

@@conandrake444 good scene that was wasted due to her role of the movie

[@Scifi4life]

​@Izywik92 all the shots were great, especially Rodan

[@Izywik90]

@@Scifi4life Shaky zoom in cam is a terrible way to introduce a giant monster

[@imalwaysherelol1]

In my personal opinion. I’ll say this. While yes it’s true that Not every Godzilla movie has to be like Minus One. I think that if every movie was a mix of both Seriousness and grounded like Minus One and Fun and Wacky like GxK is gonna be. I think every film could be done well if the execution is done right.

[@CattusTheDevourer]

Well..

[@Kalaggu2020]

GxK did go full absurdity tho, yeah the fights where cool, but that doesn't make it a good movie, makes it a good 30 minute youtube vid, but not a movie

[@CattusTheDevourer]

@@Kalaggu2020 someone who actually gets it! Props to you 👏🏾

[@kaijuwaiju3954]

I personally liked the Monsterverse back when it was Grounded and realistic, but that's just my take.

[@decentmortal3789]

Wdym by realistic? Nothing was realistic about godzilla 2014

[@kaijuwaiju3954]

@@decentmortal3789 Explain

[@JackDonaldson146]

​@@kaijuwaiju3954the main character of the film was a giant radioactive lizard so thats why technically none of these films are realistic but still awsome

[@kaijuwaiju3954]

@@JackDonaldson146 Obviously, but there's a difference between a Grounded and serious toned film and a full out monster brawl, that's what im trying to say.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

​@@JackDonaldson146 They're reffering to the setting being grounded, not the kaiju themselves. The entire concept of a grounded setting is everything is realistic EXCEPT the kaiju. If you got futuristic technology then it's not a grounded setting anymore

[@jetfirezilla]

The films can have both. There’s still fun to be found in realism, and realism in fun. From the slow, grounded, ‘realistic’ fights in Godzilla (2014), to the fast paced, animalistic ‘fun’ aspects of Kong: Skull Island. It’s not a matter of one or the other, but rather making sure there isn’t too muh of either aspect. Balance is key.

[@CobbleBompster]

I completely agree. By limiting Godzilla to either super heartbreaking and dark or insanely stupid and ridiculous, you create a massive war in the fandom, which we’ve very much seen. We need the KOTM feel to come back and settle everything once and for all. Since we’ve already seen both sides of the MonsterVerse and how not everyone is a fan of this or that, it’s best to just balance it out at this point.

[@PufflePufflePuffle]

2014-17 realistic 2019 balance 2021- wacky as hell

[@SquidBerry]

Probably in the middle but I do miss how godzilla used to run in KOTM

[@CobbleBompster]

True. Notice how no one complained about him running in 2019 due to how he didn’t look like he was jogging with his jaw and tongue flailing around

[@RHR199X]

@@CobbleBompsteractually that was the first thing that I felt off about from the KOTM trailer

[@Scifi4life]

After king of the monsters, it became too unrealistic. For godzilla x kong, the makers of the film said it's a comedy.

[@Ilovekaiju]

I personally don't get the appeal of making the Kaiju realistic. I'm not saying realistic Kaiju movies aren't good, but there's always a part of me who thinks, "The existence of kaiju with crazy powers is super unrealistic, why not embrace the absurdity?"

[@NM-ue8on]

Exactly!

[@retrodon205]

Same can be said vice versa. Why not make believe that a crteature like this exists? Or make believe like a 3 headed dragon is flapping its wings overhead skyscrapers? It's all about the mentality you have going into these movies I guess.

[@JesusGomez-ob2qt]

Because when you make it "realistic" it gives the audience something to connect too, because you could imagine yourself In a scenario where this would happen, gives more room to be political, as the great nina Simone said "the job of an artist is to reflect the times" if a godzilla film doesn't reflect the turmoil of what's going on in the world what's the point?

[@louiswright8282]

Because its been done so many times, a grounded and realistic take on them is still pretty much the minority of the Giant Monster genre.

[@thespork1905]

​@@JesusGomez-ob2qt You do realise there are a large number of older godzilla movies that have no politics? Right? It was only really the first movie and Shin Godzilla.

[@santiagorodriguez7314]

Kotm is the BEST monsterverse movie ever

[@biguzivertt]

the reason people like monsterverse is cuz they already did the OG godzilla story a million times (minus 1 for example.) where godzilla comes in an destroys them but now it’s more like godzilla is the main character and the humans are there to follow along so it’s a different version of the story

[@Cheeseballer66]

I definitely lean to the fun side, either way people will always find a way to complain about something.

[@Rodimojira17]

Exactly

[@thorthegodofthunder9150]

People will always complain because different people have different tastes. If you're looking for a population that never complains, you're on the wrong planet.

[@TheNOBODY2810]

I wish there was more of a balance of realism and fun. If the monsterverse married these two elements and made it consistent, the monsterverse would be WAAAAAYYYYYY more ahead than it is from the MCU now. That’s just my two cents. I will say the versatility works in MV but I wish it was more focused and consistent. That way it would be so much better.

[@CobbleBompster]

True. Versatility is good, but GxK flew way too close to the sun

[@TheNOBODY2810]

@@CobbleBompster facts

[@WolffQuam]

Of course that's only my opinion, so anybody feel free to disagree if you want (Respectfully at least!). But I'm rooting 100% for the grounded side. But before reading the rest, if you have a great time with the new movies, I'm genuinely happy for you and hope you will continue to have a great time watching these movies. But this universe is just not for me anymore. - When I saw Godzilla 2014, I absolutely loved this movie. The atmosphere, the likeable characters, and "strangely" the fact that it was a human-scale story rather than a kaiju-scale story. It made the Kaijus so much more intimidating, I was able to realize how gigantic they were and be in awe. The atmosphere was dark, and we didn't see much the kaijus in the movie actually, which made scenes with them much more impressive and satisfying. The movie was really immersive, grounded. And I know there is arguments to say that it's not realistic in the first place, Godzilla just can't exist in our world because of simple physics, I know that. But a movie doesn't need to be fully realistic on every aspect to feel immersive. I was simply thinking "That's a really good movie", and I still absolutely love that movie. - Kong Skull Island, can't say much about it, I honestly don't like this one. I liked certain scenes of it, but I generaly found the movie absolutely boring af. It was immersive enough, but not really interesting for me. But I'm not a big fan of Kong, so it didn't helped. I don't say it's a bad movie in all mean, I just disliked it that's all. - King Of The Monsters, I had a great time seing it, the scenes were extremely impressive and powerful/overpowered, but the movie felt way less immersive for me than the first one. The characters were not really interesting, less likeable, and sometimes extremely dumb (Even if we can be dumb in reality, that was a high level in that one XD). I liked it, but that's it. - Godzilla Vs Kong, it was probably this movie that started to destroy my hype. Literaly the only thing I can remember me saying after watching the movie is "Ok. That was kinda fun I guess..". I was actually releaved that the movie was finally ended when I lived, which is not a good sign for obvious reasons lol. - I didn't watched yet the series Monarch: Legacy Of Monsters, but I'll try watching it when I have time for it. - And for the trailer of Godzilla x Kong, my hype was definitely destroyed. I just had "Feeling = 0" for that. I even found it cringe, and I don't even know if I will see this movie or not. Maybe at least for pure curiosity and give it the benefit of the doubt. But I think I'm gonna have a good time honestly. So yeah, I went from "I absolutely love this movie!" to "Don't know if I want to inflict me this just out of curiosity...".

[@adastruh]

Realistic imo. It just creates a more cinematic experience.

[@burgadahz17]

is more inmersive

[@symvoltz438]

People will always complain and they can keep doing so, but truthfully every single monsterverse movie has been more exciting than the last, including this one

[@Qadox]

I much prefer a grounded and realistic tone, because it’s what the Monsterverse was aiming for from the beginning. Now obviously adding a more fun aspects is okay, but it’s gotten to the point where the Monsterverse doesn’t know what it wants to be, because there has been a new director every single time except this one. At this point it just feels like fan service, which is fine but when it’s abused it wastes a lot of potential for future films. Although I have accepted that this is the direction the Monsterverse is taking. RIP to the realistic tone of the Monsterverse (2014-2017)

[@CattusTheDevourer]

Ayeee We got another person who understands 🥳

[@CattusTheDevourer]

But it truly is sad that they've taken it this way. If I had to be straight forward though, I'm looking into animation and storytelling so I can do what they couldn't. With all the seperate animations done on Godzilla I might just end up doing a "series" on Legendary or something Basically taking the route the franchise was going and apply it to the series yk?

[@kking1750]

@@CattusTheDevourer What was you expecting from the monster verse? I'm just curious. Because monsters constantly being used a plot device and as a tool of destruction imo can get pretty boring. I want the monsters to have actual personality and focus, and that's where the new director thrives at.

[@CattusTheDevourer]

@kking1750 what 2014 and 2027 gave to us. Compare that with the monsterverse and see where the former was heading, compared to the ladder. The first two are more in the "realistic representation" while the rest are just MCU style battles and choreography. You can't even expect what to happen because everything's random. The consistency sucks and so does the writing.

[@CattusTheDevourer]

@@kking1750 the new director is turning them into human emotions. Literal men in cgi suits.

[@darthvader6614]

At the end of the day, what truly sells GXK is the fact that we saw the main character of the entire franchise, Doug.

[@Godzilla-de4gj]

😂

[@austinames9340]

Grounded is the better term. Godzilla is inherently unrealistic but G14 made an effort to make him grounded and SOMEWHAT reasonable to what he might be in real life. KOTM kept one foot in grounding the monsters and the other in the more fantastical but it struck a decent balance. GvK and GxK completely abandoned it and it was honestly to their detriment. It doesn’t help that we have a different director for each movie and when we finally settled on one, it’s the weakest director of the 4. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for 300 ft tall monsters to feel like giant monsters and not video game characters.

[@my2randomcents]

KOTM is peak Monsterverse Classic music and sfx, legacy enemies, and universe building, some humans are awful but some of their plots are great. Specially Zerizawa and the nod to the Mothra twins GVK jumped the shark with the absurdist sci fi elements, and changing the hollow earth from an ancient dark submerged wasteland to a vast jungle filled with life, monsters now fight like fuckin' lucha libre It's all just too silly now

[@sportjames23]

Agreed.

[@skwid1404]

I have nothing against fun movies. Its just I would rather have a more serious franchise that stays serious and grounded in reality. I miss being wowed by how big yet real they felt.

[@CobbleBompster]

I loved Kotm because it was the perfect middle ground. If they had simply stayed with that feel and actually worked on the characters instead of trying to drown them out with kaiju slop is what would have made the MonsterVerse so much better. I do think that the MonsterVerse’s correct path would have been to just keep it like it was in 2014, but seeing the vibrancy and emotion that Michael Dougherty brought to the MonsterVerse, and how he truly brought Godzilla’s most classic characters to life like we’ve never seen before is just something that I cannot go without, and I just hope they bring Dougherty back so he can continue his feel of the MonsterVerse and actually fix the human characters.

[@skwid1404]

@@CobbleBompster While KOTM is the middle ground, its actually my least favorite as it was the main turning point in tonal shift of the MV. KOTM felt more like it didn't know what it wanted to be as some shots felt like 2014 while others feel more the complete opposite. Like it was trying to be its own thing but had to feel like it belonged in the same universe. I would have much rathered two different franchises one grounded and serious and the other fun and awesome. Trying to kill two birds with one stone just doesn't work imo.

[@CobbleBompster]

@@skwid1404you’re completely correct. I agree with you on how it definitely set the later MonsterVerse films up for failure, but I just can’t live without 2019’s gorgeous color scheme and incredible kaiju characterization 😞 It’s a guilty pleasure of mine, but this is the type of movie that gives me happy tears

[@sportjames23]

@@CobbleBompster Co-sign 💯

[@enriquecervantes9851]

I wasn’t on board at all at first like 5 years ago but now this shit can work IF THEY KEEP THE GRAND SCALE literally we had the perfect kaiju movie 10 years ago with pacific rim. It took itself 100 percent serious and had goofy ass concepts and incredible realistic vibrant art

[@IDK-e6o5l]

For me, it's honestly better for the monsterverse to go in the current direction, it will open SO many possibilities for other classic Kaiju to be in this cinematic universe, you could have biollante, spacegodzilla, heck even destoroyah in the monsterverse if we let legendary have this wackiness in their upcoming monsterverse movies

[@aldoespejo6347]

Yes!! I would like to see the kaijus from the heisei and Millennium era in MV style❤

[@Lanevix]

The three monsters you listed come from the series of movies that are also treated as grounded and more series in tone, even more so then the Monsterverse at times. You don't need to be super wacky for THOSE specific monsters to work, since the movies they came from treated themselves and the plot seriously and didn't overly embrace the absurdity of its plot like Gxk seems to be doing. Something like Gigan or megalon you'd definitely want to have established a more light hearted tone

[@IDK-e6o5l]

@@Lanevix I'm saying it's best for the monsterverse to go in an unrealistic direction, not having it be wacky all the time

[@CobbleBompster]

@@IDK-e6o5lin other words, KOTM. The middle ground between two very different types of Godzilla feels.

[@IDK-e6o5l]

@@CobbleBompster yeah

[@cutshots6918]

I watched Godzilla 2014 & Kong skull island & after Godzilla King of Monster I didn't watch the next movie I am more of grounded type. Now this Monster movie does not make sense. They are not monster movies anymore they have became more like superhero movies where villain comes & heroes saves the day. Skull Island & Godzilla 2014 weren't like that. So I miss them.

[@juansameer2703]

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[@xBlackDragonx73]

who the fuck wants a "fun and wacky" kaiju movie??? this ain't the old japanese godzilla, this is the realistic Legendary Godzilla. It needs to keep that element. For the "fun and wacky" just add different things or characters, not alter something already awesome like Godzilla. Don't fix something that isn't broken. Add plants taking over something with biollante, or add some weirdness with space-Godzilla, HECK even add a great classic opponent like Destoroyah or some shit. But never change it in the way you make them seem human with stupid armour and fast looking shit. They're giant kaijus, not small toys.

[@mistypikku]

i think godzilla vs kong should have been the limit for godzilla's movement spefically in the fight scene at night in the big city. it just looks ridiculous when hes running faster than kong

[@Treefrrog221]

I feel like both sides would be perfect, because grounded and serious lets it all make sense with everything and fun and wacky just makes it super badass.

[@CobbleBompster]

Middle ground is where it should be. People limit Godzilla to this either-or scenario where you either have dark and serious Godzilla, or stupid and ridiculous Godzilla, but people forget that there is an obvious in between. …AKA Godzilla King of the Monsters

[@burgadahz17]

*Godzilla 2014 is the best Monsterverse movie and by far* The new Godzilla movies are very good, I don't dislike them at all but I have to admit that the previous ones, the feeling of scale and realism was extremely good for me. For me the best monsterverse movie is without a doubt Godzilla 2014. I still remember my reaction when Godzilla was shown for the first time at the airport. That shot when they show Godzilla's foot....HOLY SHIT MAN. I expected Godzilla to be big but not to this point. And all of this is thanks to the incredible mastery that they have put behind each shot since many of the shots are made from the point of view of humans, thus making Godzilla seem even much bigger than he already is, something that the new movies have been missing. I'm not saying they're bad, but the sense of scale of Godzilla is not at all what it was before. That was also thanks to the fact that Godzilla's movement and animation at the time was slower, heavier, making it much more realistic. I still remember that every muscle of Godzilla seemed like he had to overexert himself to punch the MUTOS's. it was amazing

[@Supersaurus4]

Fun, Realistic, doesn't matter to me. I love the MonsterVerse for its ability to alternate between being serious and lighthearted. It shows how versatile the Godzilla franchise can be.

[@miriamemanueleforneris3701]

I love It for the same reasons

[@Dirteater123]

but many forget that the Monsterverse STARTED as realistic and stayed so until GvK , it's like switching from Minus one to Showa.

[@Theamericannightmar7]

​@@Dirteater123Showa got less serious as it went on

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

​@@Dirteater123 Dude the MV became less grounded the moment it introduced the concept of the hollow earth which was in ksi. G14 by itself was a modernized showa film with a serious tone. Keep in mind the MV DIDN'T start til 2015 which is when it was established. G14 was made as a standalone film. No sequels or any cinematic universe was considered til after the movie made money. It's unrealistic for humanity to not advance itself in a world with kaiju of all things. If we humans made things to prepare ourselves for natural disasters, why can't humans do that for kaiju which are treated as natural disasters too?.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

​​@@Theamericannightmar7 not really, showa went back and forth between tones, look at vs mechagodzilla and vs megalon and tell me which was more serious or darker despite being a kid's film. Cause it definitely wasn't vs megalon

[@VulturesLover911]

Godzilla movies should be serious, as you know, big lizard, while Kong movies should be funny and wacky as he can convey emotion easier, while team up movies are a blend

[@imagine257]

I prefer a return to grounded movies like what we got in 2014

[@CobbleBompster]

I love 2014, but I would take KOTM’s vibrancy and absolutely phenomenal adaptations of the classic Godzilla characters over the very dull feel of G14 any day, and that’s why 2014 is my second favorite MV film. Hopefully Gareth comes back to work on some more MonsterVerse projects, i’d rather the MonsterVerse bounce back and fourth between dark and middle ground and just leave crazy bullshit out of the picture.

[@bes-vv8ki]

to be honest in monsterverse movies I don't expect there to be a really good story like kung fu panda 1 and 2 or really great themes like httyd, I just want to have some fun watching titans fighting each other while destroying the landscape. So I guess what I mean is I prefer the serious and grounded side when introducing a new titan in their own solo film, but when it comes to 2 or more famous titans duking it out I prefer the wacky one, because this can give possibilities to lets say team fights or a free for all brawl.

[@Thermo-Lizard]

I think the tone of south park would kinda fit the Monsterverse perfectly

[@ch87-z3w]

i prefer when it's fun, it's nice to put the dots together and figure things out before the people in the movies do. i also like how creative and beautiful it is.

[@MrE10]

I think both are good!

[@windliger1068]

They did a good job at realism at first but I’m excited for the wacky fun because now it makes sense. Godzilla has been growing and evolving with each movie so I like that he’s stronger and faster than he was in 2014

[@rexyjp1237]

The movie just needs good human characters.

[@punkm0nk3y2]

All i want is more street level camera angles during titan fights to show from a human’s perspective how chaotic and destructive they are like Rodans updraft scene

[@deiobeatbox5319]

This video is going to be fire

[@pimpedworldful]

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[@careca1112]

Godzilla 2019 was CINEMA.

[@NormanAbizaidDjunaidy-yv2ww]

I'm more into the funside of The Monsterverse. We need to bring back the wacky and absurdity

[@kedwyd6535]

it's been absurd since the 3rd film

[@reallycantthinkofausername487]

No, we don't *need* to bring it back. It was hardly lost. Look at the last Godzilla film before he went into hiatus until 2014

[@NormanAbizaidDjunaidy-yv2ww]

yes we do the era of realism is too much @@reallycantthinkofausername487

[@CobbleBompster]

Not at all. Remember that these aren’t just any old Godzilla movies, it’s the MonsterVerse.

[@mr.j6631]

They just need to get back to making These titans actually look and feel “Big”.

[@pharoahjones5652]

I guess people forgot how fast the reptiles on this planet are..... Just because they don't do it all the time does mean they can't

[@KingZedusPrime2009TyrentKaiju]

Frankly I like the wacky goofy stuff cause we have minus one and shin Godzilla and such, and we're getting more minus one movies. Those are masterpieces, these are hysterical and awesome

[@Dirteater123]

Monsterverse LOST what the Monsterverse was supposed to be.

[@willsmith124]

Its our fault for giving negative reaction to Kotm and positive to kong vs godzilla

[@legendarytrainer5312]

I'm a little confused. I didn't even realize ppl thought some of these movies were seen as fun & wacky.

[@BiggeMK]

Real they should have kept them all like 2014

[@CobbleBompster]

@@willsmith124100%, I love how after seeing the direction that the MonsterVerse has gone, everyone has looked back to KOTM and said “maybe I’ve treated you a little too harshly”

[@CobbleBompster]

@@legendarytrainer5312it isn’t necessarily that wacky when compared to Godzilla as a whole, but this ISN’T Godzilla as a whole, it’s the MonsterVerse, and that’s all that matters. When compared to 2014, that’s when you realize how much of a joke it’s become

[@Ldiggss]

They really started adding all the “fun” shxt when skull island came out. You got Kong’s giant ass jumping off mountains n shxt. They definitely said “yk what, let’s make all the movies like this from now on”

[@chubbswab]

I saw The New Empire trailer and didn’t think it was wacky at all, Godzilla running like that could be completely fine in movie sense if we understand everything about the movie and we barely know much at all.

[@Scifi4life]

Him running like a human while kong rides on his back is very stupid.

[@ultrainferno.]

​@@Scifi4life godzillas been running towards monsters for many years its nothing new.

[@Scifi4life]

@ultrainferno. yes in the stupid films where he dances. Monsterverse was supposed to be realistic.

[@nicolestimothy9921]

It already explain when I watched the movie. Or people just don’t want to hear about it.

[@CobbleBompster]

I didn’t even care that it was goofy as much as I cared that this film just felt completely meaningless and unnecessary, which makes all of the action feel the exact same.

[@zsan157]

When I first saw the new empire I thought “now these movies are starting to get ridiculous” but then I remembered how the original movies were and realized that the monsterverse is actually staying true to the source material

[@TheAlmightyPrime]

It’s best if Godzilla fans get both

[@GooseCrack]

I thoroughly enjoyed all of them! Definitely wouldn’t mind if they brought back the tail slide 😂

[@Ilovekaiju]

I personally think the monsterverse is better fun.

[@burgadahz17]

naah

[@PoloJugga5799]

I know a lot of people like the realistic 2014 approach... but damn do I love seeing 1970's Godzilla fight alongside Anguirus, however goofy it may be.

[@dinosquadgaming6152]

Tbh i prefer the more realistic ones

[@joekool0078]

It’s honestly both, just as long we stick with the rule of cool then it’s all good.

[@logicalnightmare6293]

In my personal opinion, I still find the godzilla movies realistic, I can understand that alot of people would want a darker tone in the godzilla movies, making the Big G mysterious, but at some point I dont really see how its a big deal that much, obviously nothing in the monsterverse is realistic, but i think the major problem that people have with it is the tone in the movies.

[@altaccount9716]

Realistic? We're talking about giant gorillas and atomic t-rexes, lol.

[@Joshua-vl5pc]

have you watched minus one?

[@JUSSINBUSSIN]

Tbh Godzilla has always been both. He’s had serious films where humans have to defend against him, but there are also others where he’s fighting other monsters. It’s a little late to change anything with the Monsterverse now that we have GvK & GxK lol. I like the monster clashes…all that matters to me.

[@JaviMJTV]

Watching Godzilla V Kong I couldn't sake the feeling that it was too unrealistic. But last week I first saw G X K, and honestly I dropped the towel, couldn't stop thinking about how bonkers it was, and couldn't stop enjoying it for that.

[@Thechozochampion]

Like KOTM it was the perfect balance

[@davidfalloutbandit]

I kind of did like the more realistic take, but also really like elements of the wacky insane fun stuff from the Godzilla franchise. Including some of my favorite monsters like SpaceGodzilla or destroyah.

[@DarkninjaGD30]

I get why so many fans want more godzilla movies that are similar to minus one. Except if people make it seem that way, then best thing you could do is just quit being a fan of godzilla. Hell, it's even a possibility that toho dont make another movie as good as minus one.

[@BRproductions6173]

I say grounded and serious Godzilla because 2014 is so nostalgic to me

[@gabrielpanagsagan9741]

I feel like there's still seriousness in MV but just overshadowed by epic battles, I mean just because there's many things going on don't mean mv is no longer serious

[@IronWolf277]

Kong deserves much praise for the Monsterverse sticking around! His Personality is more memorable than 90% of the human characters!

[@123darkpassenger]

I don’t mind the wacky elements of the monster verse story wise but I do wish that the monsters weight and movements were abit more realistic cause it does take me out of it believability wise, I want to believe these are real monsters and not be reminded that they’re cgi imaginations.

[@false_hope2149]

The 2014 monsterverse movie felt like the OG godzilla movies where its more about the humans and how much of a disaster Godzilla and his scale was for the planet, that tone in the godzilla movies is still good but the main complaints with the 2014 film was how little screen time the titans got and that it was too "human oriented". That's why they switched to the more action pack vibe and honestly it's just as good, I personally like both.

[@ogdeenz1336]

The outro + the music is heavenly sent bro😭😭💯💯

[@deltadan3565]

I just want slow hulking movements again. Godzilla upcutting a giant spider at 3x speed and kong and godzilla running like they weigh 120 lbs is so wacky

[@Spyronox468]

I think that if they can perfectly balance the two like what Pacific Rim achieved, it'd be amazing

[@Catzilla640]

It’s way better realistic, the first 2 movies are way better than the last 2 we got for sure (My honest opinion)

[@Remedy_0101]

I love both and both work

[@masonmcfadden4886]

True

[@GreatOldOne9866]

Both work for me. If I want all grounded and realistic, I’ll find a good horror movie.

[@Whyyoulooking45]

My take is that it should be fun. This is because it appears we get more monster fights and just overall monster screen time. With realism it shows very little of the monsters and more of the humans

[@thelognerrator]

2014 is my favorite Monsterverse film, but despite that I love the fun wacky movies too. I think what makes the Monsterverse as enjoyable as it is, is that it can do both for different projects. Like correct me if I am wrong but the Monarch show took itself pretty seriously, but now we have new empire doing a more wacky approach, and I think that's fine! Maintaining the balance is what I think the Monsteverse is best at. Honestly the plot still kinda takes itself seriously even in some of the wackier films so I still think they've got a good balance.

[@BlueKaz]

in a way its kind of like what the old godzilla and kong movies did. It first starts out with realistic, grounded and gritty. Then it builds itself up with wacky and fun movies

[@skyylerkingery98]

Well for me I'm neutral on realistic and fun movies for Godzilla and I'm also neutral for Toho and Monsterverse movies because as long the movie is fun, enjoyable and good then I'll like it and choose which one will be my favorite

[@Dookieman1975]

I’m more concerned with if it does its job well and if there’s variety. The MV can do its own thing as long as it’s good or fun. And it’s just better as dumb fun. Could be good as more realistic but the humans were boring after Joe died and still struggle to be entertaining. Like the best humans were the ones in skull island. People will complain anyways just like 2014 and 2019. 2014 was pretty boring most of the time and even cut away from the fights. The monsters are always the best part and it helps they added the animalistic part, they act like giant animals in a giant ecosystem (earth). “It’s not realistic” is stupid and it just sounds like snobs wanting everything to be like shin, the original, or minus one when we can have both. It should be more not one thing as long as it’s done well They can also find a perfect balance with the humans and monsters and some realism like skull island again and GvK almost hit that spot

[@icedragon6345]

i think their should be a mix

[@Unpopular_Figure]

The Heisei series shows that Godzilla can be more grounded while also being fun at the same time. And that shits him best. I love that those movies keep his themes and everything he stands for while also introducing fun ideas and scenes. Godzilla 2014 was on the right track but didn’t have enough Godzilla which would’ve made the movie a lot more fun. Kong was slightly better but because no Godzilla, I don’t think people cared about it as much. As for the others, they’re just ufc matches, which is NOT how Godzilla should be viewed.

[@blakeforkins7375]

The Monsterverse to me is like a more expensive version of the Showa era. Starting out very serious and then diving into silly and goofy territory. As long as we don’t end up with another Godzilla’s Revenge or All Monsters Attack or whatever you choose to call it, I’m okay with that

[@LordBackuro]

I think kong skull island was the perfect template and blend of how to make a fun yet realistic kaiju movie It wasn’t really different from Godzilla 2014 except that it had more monster scenes and slightly more interesting and realistic human characters.

[@Jawsfan2009]

Fun & wacky BY FARRR, I don’t see how not, its so fun and entertaining

[@samuraidoge6039]

Both fun and realistic is the best. The best example is pacific rim which thankfully, never got a sequel

[@goatball17]

The directors did the best for pacific rim, a sequel would be disastrous in todays era of film!

[@TimeEater]

@@goatball17It would have been even worse if they made a sequel in 2018.