Waging war on the Jamaican patty: Canada’s bizarre beef with the delicious snack | Patty vs Patty

Patty vs. Patty tells the story of Toronto’s bizarre 1985 “patty wars,” when Jamaican-Canadian bakers went head-to-head with the federal government over the name of their beloved beef patty. #CBCShortDocs #PattyvsPatty
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At the time, the Meat Inspection Act determined a beef patty to be what goes in a hamburger. It could contain only meat and seasoning and it couldn’t be encased in dough or a crust. Therefore, a Jamaican patty - widely known as a flaky pastry with a spiced beef filling - didn’t meet the criteria.
Bureaucrats thought calling hamburger patties and Jamaican patties the same thing would be confusing to Canadians - despite the fact that the latter were already popular in cities like Toronto due to a wave of immigrants who arrived from the Caribbean in the ‘60s and ‘70s.
Food inspectors from Consumer and Corporate Affairs visited patty vendors across Toronto, demanding that the name of the savoury fare be changed. The officials threatened fines of $5,000 (more than $11,000 in today’s dollars) if the shops didn’t comply by changing their menus, packaging and signs to, well, anything except “patty.”
The vendors resisted. They refused to sell the patty under any other name.
Michael Davidson, the young manager of Kensington Patty Palace, found himself at the centre of the controversy when community outrage propelled the story into the media spotlight. Davidson made headlines in newspapers and on local TV news. Politicians got involved; lawyers got involved; both the Canadian and Jamaican governments got involved.
Eventually, bureaucrats and representatives for the vendors met at a so-called “patty summit” to find a resolution that would avoid an international crisis between Canada and Jamaica.
Told from Davidson’s perspective, Patty vs. Patty weaves together first-hand anecdotes, archival footage and satirical re-enactments to tell this story of bureaucracy gone amok, community resistance and a delicious pastry - officially known as the Jamaican patty ever since.
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[@mtgcatfish5993]

"Selling like hotcakes, hmm... I wonder if I just broke another law." - Reporter lol lol

[@zammymynakersnackstbmoth]

I actually laughed out loud!!

[@SparklinXylvr]

As a Jamaican I've never heard of this and also always wondered why foreigners call them Jamaican patties, either way I really love how this documentary portrays Jamaicans and used our real accents.

[@SykotikShadow]

Oh yes a very big deal just like the group that determines along the lines what can be called a sandwich. Known about them for the longest time when I was in school from the 90s to early 2000s.

[@sc0tte1-416]

Thanks for bringing us the patties I love 'em!

[@Nunavuter1]

I remember this moronic bureaucratic escapade. A patty had only two meanings in 1980s Toronto., and we all knew what the Jamaican kind was. It remains a hot and ready treat in many convenience stores. You can buy them in every grocery store. I have some in my freezer now! I am a white person who lives in a small town covered in snow. We all thought this was a very dumb moment in our history.

[@Genious.]

@@Nunavuter1 I'd love to know how much money (provided by taxpayers... just like Michael Davidson) is spent pursuing nonsense like this. And let's say nothing is done about it - I wonder what is the worst that can come of it. Here we are, almost 40 years later and I'm sure money is still being wasted on things like this. Nothing has changed... except pot is finally legal.

[@jayrome8764]

Likewise! This production was well put together. Who would ever think there would be a patty beef ? 😁

[@Toywins]

That woman on the phone blaming McDonald's is HILARIOUS!! 😂😂😂

[@gcw2007]

Must be Burger King, then 😂

[@patriciahunt2106]

These people's got a history of finding something wrong with everything we are doing well not working under them minding their own busy by the way I ate my last one today

[@Toywins]

@@gcw2007 😂😂😂

[@SpaceityCasity]

I couldn’t stop laughing! “Must be Burger King!” 😂

[@SuperMaxCarp]

That hotcakes reporter is a legend..."hotcakes, I wonder if I broker another law" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@sherinebonsu8572]

First, I truly appreciate the casting of talent with authentic Jamaican accents. This is RARE. I was born and raised in Toronto (first generation Canadian of Jamaican heritage). I was completely unaware of this Caribbean-Canadian history. This fight against our patty is a true example of the Jamaican saying, "we likkle, but we talawah"! If you didn't know before, Jamaicans do not back down from a fight, especially if you come trouble us with your nonsense. Big up to the owners of Kensington Patty Palace for not backing down and the tremendous community support.

[@technicalactivity]

Bummmbaclaatt You know you at the right place in the 6 shottie! We got badman Drake with the Accent makin fiyah impression

[@kurokaizen1889]

@@technicalactivity No. Stop that nonsense. Yuh deh mek wi look like im eediots due to yuh foolish display. Learn to represent yuh better in a better way instead of carrying on like such a rass idiot fi everyone to see. A dyam shame yuh deh bring on wi people. Do betta man.

[@scottwood5098]

one day they will find me surrounded by empty Patti wrappers laying on the floor with a smile on my face in a food coma mmmmmmmmm 😅

[@noblelife344]

Don't backndown why is the Queen still the head of state of Jamaica lol

[@ironhell808]

She isn't head anymore... and I suspect not for long for any crown either...

[@dubbenterprise4787]

Calling a doughnut a sugar circle.....🤣🤣🤣

[@bioweaponsystem154]

He's right. Nothing kills feelings for food like a technical lawyer drafted read-out.

[@erinjoy5625]

I died when he said that 😂😂

[@MsLignumvitae]

🤣🤣🤣

[@andrewall3193]

More like a sugar bagel 😂

[@nitfitnit]

Sugar torus

[@sophial.6633]

This was so entertaining. That “hmm” “hmm” between him and the inspector had me rolling lol

[@realdjoffski7201]

Love jamaican food. Patties are super versatile. Beef, lamb, chicken, veggie. . . fits in your pocket, makes you fed and happy. There is heart in all good Jamaican food. I tried patties made by Jamaicans in London, had patties in Jamaica, Jamaican cuisine is amazing. Love from Poland!

[@bydesignmedia]

The fact that he did not mention it to his parents, they found out on vacation lol. Never knew this was ever an issue. Very well written and acted. Now I want a Jamaican Patty.

[@lizzlewisus]

You never want to bring in the parents. They'll leave it in your hands....like his did.

[@JSAnstock]

As a registered old fart (I'm 50+) I remember how difficult it was to communicate between countries back then. In some cases you might even have to book time slots for telephone calls, so it may just have been hard to let them know. Thank goodness for modern telecommunication and Tim Berners-Lee.

[@bwj1158]

Chicken patties are my favorite. There are a few places in that I have tried and they are all very delicious.

[@sparker7768]

@@bwj1158 Spicy beef, mild, chicken, vegetable and soy, I love them all. The best in NYC (back in the day) were in Brooklyn and Queens 😋

[@larrythorn4715]

Right? I bet they're delicious.

[@Eiramilah]

I never heard of this. This is the kind of black history I want to hear. We're not always victims. I think it hit home for them when he called the doughnut a "sugar circle"

[@Mitzymorris]

I remember this. I was a teen. we were outraged

[@skbosdgame8435]

Yes! Saying donuts a sugar circle was an home run hit out the park!!And then saying “bringing a contribution we feel that we can add”

[@norbitdre7286]

I want a sugar circle and a patty right now

[@peezhead]

We're not black. We are brown...

[@truestas1]

true

[@MrTxawjcoj]

This would make a hilarious comedy movie as it already is… a retelling with a big movie budget would be awesome. So many lessons learned here! Great story!

[@zammymynakersnackstbmoth]

I'm here for it!!

[@0T_T0]

Beef patty was one of the first cultiural food I was introduced to when I first came in Canada as an immigrant. There were many students who buys them from the corner store close to our school and I got curious and my other friends said they were good and that i should try it. Needless to say, we now have occassional arguements over the best beef patty in town. 🤣🤣🤣 ❤🇵🇭

[@whatdamath]

Most immigrants like myself grew up on these patties, so it's as much a part of Jamaican heritage as it is part of Canada as a whole. I used to have these practically every school lunch and they formed an important part of my Canadian identity. As a matter of fact I just spent the last three hours unsuccessfully looking for a place that sells Jamaican patties...in Seoul, Korea... thanks CBC, thanks very much.

[@clockworkNate]

Have you checked for Jamaican Turnovers in Korea? 😂

[@Hunter-os5yx]

It’s not a part of Canadian heritage at all, maybe a part of Ontario culture but not anywhere west of them lol

[@joshuataylor3550]

It's pasty, call it a pasty

[@bertaboy9078]

Hey Anton!

[@anunnakicrown]

Fancy meeting you here

[@skycat3]

This was so well done, my mom remembers the patty war. She said it was a huge thing in the Jamaican community. She thought it was non sense because you know the difference.

[@shantelrscott]

Wow I’m from New York City and we grew up on beef patties with coco bread. I never knew there was a back story for it let alone a “Patty War”. The Government is a damn trip I cannot stand it. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you.

[@ironhell808]

It's Canadas government, they're always obsessed with controlling everyone's lives, but claim they don't control the economy and are not to blame for Canada homeless or out of control costs of food and housing.

[@rnalonto]

Canada was under the Tories back then, so... no surprise there.

[@shehandesilva7530]

Sri Lanka, a former British colony as well, also has patties - they are very similar to those shown here. They are typically deep fried, sometimes baked (most people don't have ovens), and filled with fish, vegetables, or meat. They tend to be slightly smaller, but have the same shape and the iconic fork marks around the edges. Many other interesting baked/fried finger foods (referred to as "short eats") to be found there as well - "fish buns" and "chinese rolls" are a few other local favorites. Loved learning about this patty war in Canada and the ultimate resolution in favor of the Jamaican community!

[@scotth5988]

Interesting, first I've heard of this. Sounds delicious

[@DennisSchmitz]

You can find these in Nigeria and Ghana as well, also former British colonies and these have a different flavor profile in each country.

[@Den-gz4yo]

@@DennisSchmitz meat pie, not patties, patties are a combination of pastries and other stuff, meat pie being one, ravioli, the patty(ground beef), and Jamaican spices

[@jamesshirley9791]

A deep fried patty is called an empanada.

[@RyanStonedonCanadianGaming]

I'd be pissed if I couldn't have my beef patties. _Why is a Hamburger called a Hamburger if there is no Ham in Beef burgers?_ He got me dying when he said call the poutine when you can call it fries with sauce and cheese bits or even calling a donut a sugar circle.

[@gellertberenyi5908]

I’m pissed at the fact that the bureaucrats even brought this up. Useless idiots do tend to franchise their idiocy in govt… Also, Fun fact - Hamburgers get their name from Hamburg, Germany

[@pmccoy5511]

@@gellertberenyi5908 Hot dogs, Frankfurters get their name from Frankfurt Germany. All the best from Germany!

[@fj8264]

Because the meal came originally from Hamburg, Germany. Expatriats brought the "Sandwich, Hamburg Style (meaning a Brötchen mit Frikadelle (Bun with meatloaf, more or less))" to the U.S.; same goes for Wiener (Sausage-style from Vienna, Wiener Würstchen - Austria) and Frankfurters (a sausage-style made in Frankfurt, you guessed it, Germany). It's basically lazy/convenient naming

[@Blitzkit]

hamburger originated from Hamburg. it's their variation of a sandwich that's made in Hamburg. Hamburgers at that time was probably too popular so it got international attention.

[@dwwolf4636]

@@gellertberenyi5908 Compliance is the goal, not a tool to help you run an organisation.

[@michaeldunn4593]

I didn’t know poor little Patty had to fight racism like us. 😂

[@prestonmatthews725]

Lol. Every weh we tun mackah jook mi.

[@MsLignumvitae]

Good 1🤣🤣🤣

[@paulostyles9484]

And de skin is nat even black 😂😂🤣🤔🤔

[@dayntichey]

Right?!

[@jlewis1419]

This is quite funny 😆

[@mhm8922]

I’m in an uproar all by myself right now after watching this. This was some kind of insanity in Canada in 1985. I’m outraged, but I’m glad he held out to preserve the Jamaican culture and that there was at least 1 sane person in the government. But unfortunately I now have to get a bit ticked off when people tell me that one of those dry, flavorless things they sell in the pizzerias is a “Jamaican beef patty”. Because everyone now claims they’re selling you an “authentic” one. I grew up eating patties in the US made by Jamaican immigrants and I ate them in Jamaica as a kid also. So I KNOW what a “patty” is supposed to taste like and that’s not it. They didn’t even sell “mild” patties when I was a kid either. They just sold you a patty and it was always spicy. One of my favorite foods as a kid. Followed by ackee and saltfish… of course!

[@queenrr2342]

This is so funny because I knew of a place in Montreal in the Outremont district around that time & it just disapeared nowhere to be found by the early 90's. Makes me wonder about the impact this could've had on them...

[@sabertram8290]

Not only informative but a great window into Jamaican culture. Love the authentic accents.

[@bored4428]

Lol! I love how his parents were like, "You're taking up a fight against the government!? Well, good for you, we're supporting you!" What great parents!

[@praisejesusrepentorlikewis6218]

Repent to Jesus Christ ““Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!” “Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭19:38‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@AmosAmerica]

I also liked when they said "We'll be monitoring the situation from here" - so parental and authoritarian, lol

[@sounithtravongsaphay8129]

This documentary was perfectly done! From the acting, music, humor, but mostly the story telling from the Kensington Patty Palace manager. A movie of this would be so inspiring and fun to watch.

[@amooser5839]

directed by Wes Anderson

[@sounithtravongsaphay8129]

@@amooser5839 Brilliant idea!

[@Amber_Oakheart]

This would definitely make a good "based on real events" movie!

[@terrapinflyer273]

I agree!

[@ikhouvanpannekoeken3272]

So true!! i love this documentary!

[@Mousefartinapoopstorm]

This is so well done! I love it! This documentary deserves an award for production, directing and acting. I mean that honestly. I truly enjoyed watching and I didn't even know the patty war ever happened until I watched.

[@chillywilliedfw9093]

This was a really creative way to explain the history of the delicacy in Canada. Well done.

[@Blackanese20]

It’s like asking us to change Ackee & Saltfish to Fruit & Fish!!! 😂🤣😂 All jokes aside, never knew this went down and proud that they fought for what was right!!!! Imagine calling a patty a Caribbean meat pie?!?!? Like What The Helll?!?!?

[@LateNiteCreepz]

Jah jah🤣

[@user-qc8vj3vp9v]

Exactly TK Weekes.

[@adandemobilegamer]

Lol fruit and fish

[@Karamellek]

Fruit and fish no sah 🤣🤣

[@Blackanese20]

@@Karamellek 😂🤣😂 Kameeks!!!!! Social Media Platforms is the place to bump into old friends now, no longer in person. Hope you are doing well Love. 💜

[@mariakoufalis1487]

Not sure why this ended up in my newsfeed but boy am I grateful. This documentary was well made and informative. Great example of fighting for cultural differences and their place in Canada.

[@chitownbroiler]

Best random vid I clicked on this year

[@cutwagman]

They don’t call it a hamburger patty ffs. Should have let them alone.

[@prettypuffprincess]

Right

[@trishharrisonvlogs]

I love this. Proud jamaican over here 🇯🇲

[@Trippy_Space_Bunny]

That meeting happened the day after I was born lol. Loved this, so well done and the skipping back and forth between old news coverage and dramatization is really cool.

[@joyousjohnson7358]

😊It couldn’t have been more exact to the story, it was a BIG deal then.

[@MCNadzzz]

This was so well made! Not only was I entertained but I was informed of the history in the most Caribbean way possible. Loving this, thx you 💛🇯🇲🇨🇦

[@Hyperbolic_G]

This format is fantastic

[@justkay713]

Yaaaaazzzz..I couldn't stop watching

[@innerbeauty9441]

I feel the same 😊

[@nomad90125]

Lived in Jamaica, Jamaican patty is part & parcel Jamaica. Tell the rude intruders to mind own business.

[@tama3442]

*What is the Gospel?* The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 10:9 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. JESUS CHRIST can come anytime! Just Believe ❤️ Love you and GOD BLESS

[@grayorganization]

What makes me sick is how these bureaucrats hide behind this facade of politeness. Yet they want to brutally enforce these policies.

[@darkstormy1545]

Absolutely, Now line up for your mandatory 4th covid booster, and be sure to wear your mandatory mask.

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

wish they would do the same and enforce laws to punish criminals.

[@JacobthePoshPotato]

They would be more than willing to send you to jail or worse.

[@beefortebrea9386]

@@JacobthePoshPotato but not for actual crimes half the time.

[@EmperorBeef]

It's a reenactment. The affect of the women who portrayed the inspector may not have been how it was in reality

[@zachbrown1630]

i’m dying over 15:37 it’s so petty 😂 “hm.” “HM.” hahahah

[@kevkeisha]

This was highly entertaining and totally EXCELLENT!😂

[@johnhmstr]

Love this documentary. It balances a perfect blend of real interviews and tongue in cheek "re-enactments" to a perfect final product. Just like the patty, a perfect balanced that is both spiced and feels like home, while not putting on any airs. Delicious! Well done.

[@Ganjabeard5000]

Usually not a fan of re-enacted stuff - but this was really great!! Craving a jamaican patty big time right now haha nice one CBC!

[@davidscott3726]

I didn't like it. it was too exaggerated..like the lady deliberately dropping her H's

[@TheMajorStranger]

I'm made to look silly because it is a very silly thing.

[@damonhicks5776]

you are not the only one lol. there sooooo good.

[@southbug27]

Somebody should turn it into a tv pilot & make a show about that Jamaican neighborhood in the 1980s. In America, they're doing a bunch shows set in the 80s & remakes of popular 80s shows.

[@tama3442]

*What is the Gospel?* The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 10:9 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. JESUS CHRIST can come anytime! Just Believe ❤️ Love you and GOD BLESS

[@mooreflava]

I often wondered how it became the Jamaican beef patty. So proud of my countrymen willingness to fight for our authenticity. 🇯🇲🇯🇲💯

[@jennifermitchell7396]

This doc was so charming, funny and informative. I love this so much.

[@sandpiperr]

Oooookay, I'm an American so I definitely grew up with McDonald's beef patties. However, my dad lived in Jamaica as a boy, and he'd take us to Jamaican bakeries for patties and bulla. I was never confused about the difference between a beef patty from McDonald's and a Jamaican patty. The idea that "there would be confusion if we allowed both to be called patties" is just absurd!

[@aclark903]

Kafkaesque.

[@killax7]

The confusion was probably forced by lobbyists. Canada requires that a beef patty be 100% beef. If McDonald's wants to mix in filler in their patty this is the law they follow, arguing that this shop and many others aren't forced to follow the law might help their case.

[@killax7]

@none name have fun eating your American soy burgers.

[@nonename7869]

@@killax7 lol you're just pointing yourself out. No normal person tows the rope of bureaucrats

[@soleil3759]

So your dads Jamaican and you’re half or whole… you grew up eating burgers from McDonald’s okay. We don’t call them beef Patties so I’m thrown way off. But okay.

[@AckeeEater.]

I did notice the increased prevalence of calling it "Jamaican" patty here in the USA but had no idea that it all started with happenings in Canada. That was an elegant solution and wonderful compromise. --Æ

[@del.see.oh.89]

I'm from NYC and I've only ever called them beef patties.

[@stevenstraker5105]

@Graf von Losinj Actually reacism doesn't have to be fueled by hate - it's really a form of discrimination against a race/culture with lesser power. An enforced legislation that imposes unfair regulation, not on an actual business practices or the quality of the product, but on the cultural nature of their product and community, is most certainly a form of institutionalized racism. No real hate, just discrimination at its best

[@TheBaBaTV]

Toronto is such a diverse city !

[@dwaigntyndal]

The video made me hungry

[@otterdonnelly9959]

@Graf von Losinj laws needing to be fixed because of these situations are institutionalized racism. It's a law ignorant of cultures and language. Funny for a dual language COMMONWEALTH country to do this as plenty of patties/pasties in the UK are also pastries.

[@lelandbatey]

The writing and directing for this is fantastic! Thank you CBC for revisiting these stories, these lovely vignettes of Canada through time. Tell the suits up the chain to keep setting aside the budget and manpower for these fantastic stories!

[@sjappiyah4071]

This was super well done, informative and the transition between the acting and real life 1985 footage.

[@sheemrobinson]

This was a great history lesson. Loved the comedic approach to this as well. Also let this be a message to the media that YES! YOU CAN DEFINITELY CAST/HIRE ACTUAL JAMAICAN ACTORS IN TV, FILM, ETC INSTEAD OF HIRING FRAUDS!!!

[@Mischa81]

I wish I could like this comment a million times.

[@kazkazzie3906]

Exactly! 😒

[@unconvenshaunal9877]

Real patois vs the jafakin accent which sounds Irish. Not to mention it’s not laced with stereotypical terms such as hey mon, cool runnings, or irie.

[@tama3442]

*What is the Gospel?* The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of GOD, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 10:9 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. JESUS CHRIST can come anytime! Just Believe ❤️ Love you and GOD BLESS

[@festusbojangles7027]

what? black actors are massively overrepresented compared to the actual population

[@nickgrant6767]

We may have just witnessed one of the most perfect short films of all time. As a Jamaican this hit different 🔥🔥

[@SE-ZESS]

The tone is absolutely perfect. Comical without condescension and totally authentic, respectful and honest from all perspectives.

[@FeelinGoode]

From Toronto, I'm not even Jamaican but I grew up eating patties and still do today. Love them.

[@julesjackson4178]

Great doc well done. Shoutout to the Creators, Actors, Editors, etc. that put this together.

[@chrisper94]

Can you imagine not allowed to call it a patty? That would make the ancestors turnover (no pun intended) in their graves. The solution was a wonderful compromise; and it solidified the patty by giving Jamaican ownership to it by referring to it as a JAMAICAN PATTY. Well done.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Well I understand it from the government perspective. It would be like if some store sold soda but it soda was new Zealand for apple juice.

[@skipfluck4299]

Then maybe going back to Jamaica is the best idea.

[@shayscott7498]

Jamaicans -- we stand up for our rights no matter how big the adversary.

[@P.Gillett]

This is such an amazing little documentary. So well done. I love the story telling and every person on the screen.

[@stushShulamite]

I’m a Canadian of Jamaican parentage! Mi love a Jamaican patty, especially with Coco bread!!!!!!!!😋 *BIG UP JAMAICA!* 🇯🇲🇨🇦 The Canadian government was quibbling over petty semantics! 🙄 They needed to get a life! 😡

[@blackmere]

They need a patty 🤣

[@tigerlilly9038]

@lex ora Well, I respect your opinion and COMPLETELY disagree, Bullllllllll

[@InvadeNormandy]

@lex ora Damn and they say Americans got egos.

[@stushShulamite]

@@InvadeNormandy​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠ *NA TOUCH* we patty!!! Foolishness!! *CHA MAN!* 🤯🇨🇦🇯🇲

[@stushShulamite]

@@InvadeNormandy​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠ *NA TOUCH* we patty!!! Foolishness!! *CHA MAN!* 🤯🇨🇦🇯🇲

[@CompanionCorbs]

I’m Australian and patties have an important place in my heart: I cant explain why, but they remind me of Australian meat pies. The flavors are so different, but I love meat fillings in pastry. When I am in a US city without an Australian bakery I immediately look for a Jamaican establishment.

[@tribe-queentizzle827]

I'm Australian also, agreed- my first thoughts were "thats a Pastie or Pie.."

[@TheKnizzine]

There are also Cajin Patties they are the US version they are super spicy gotta have em with sour cream. And Empanadas are basically the same thing but fried.

[@moniqueloomis9772]

💯 🇯🇲

[@ap114]

One of my favorite jobs had Jamaicans, Haitians, Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans all in one shop just sharing our versions of meat-filled pastries and other kinds of foods. Awesome time!

[@kiriakoz]

Meat pies are English you bloody thieves.

[@ladyzioness]

I was DELIGHTED to come across this history. Loved the presentation. It was so original.

[@joannemcmillan9201]

I’m glad they got a resolution they could live with. This piece was very well done and very entertaining.

[@spanokopita5550]

This was so well done. Thank you for not watering down the accents. That's so important. I am so proud of everyone involved with the project. Thanks for reaching us our history. Love from USA.

[@prettypuffprincess]

Right

[@African.Diaspora.InLondonUK]

Absolutely, agree. The accent captured the story of little Patty.

[@iamnotu79]

This was brilliantly done, I’ve never been so thoroughly entertained! I’m glad things were resolved. I’m officially starving and want a patty!

[@missjoshemmett]

So agree! I shared it on Facebook.

[@boilingsnowwater2121]

we nuh have dat

[@babylove-fj9nw]

@@boilingsnowwater2121 Nuh have wat now

[@giuseppegnazzo3154]

I’m at 3:02 and a patty violation based on terminology might be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of can’t wait to see where this goes.

[@iamnotu79]

@@giuseppegnazzo3154 this happened in 1985 my friend! It’s long since been resolved (see mini documentary in full)

[@wildcard5269]

This has been the best good feel story of 2022. I needed this uplift Iré ☺️

[@vanityquest4979]

This was entertaining and informative. I also truly appreciate the authentic accents from the actors!

[@ShanniBananni]

I love that producers made the effort to find Jamaican actors for the reenactment. I think that made a difference in the quality of the piece. Quite often, non-Jamaican artists are asked to fake the accent and it sounds exaggerated and cartoonish. Sometimes the accent is so bad that it takes away from the story and the acting.

[@moniqueloomis9772]

👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@nancydrew1882]

Exactly! This documentary is quite authentic and well done!😃

[@dragon.fromindia3235]

GOLD AND SILVER ARE SAFE INVESTMENT THAN CRYPTO OR OTHER COUNTRIES CURRENCYS..METALS ARE ESSENTIAL THAN CRYPTO....metals are essential than paper currencys///war in the world never stops it is a continuous process till human race finish...

[@marzzbar]

I'm glad they did that. It would be pretty bad form to make a short film about the importance of Jamaican culture without using Jamaican actors! Great film :)

[@314per]

I also loved the variety of accents :) Just like real life

[@DisasterEXE]

I ate a patty on a cruise ship when I was working for Royal Caribbean. The security officer - the kindest lady there - made patties for crewmembers and staff. Me being Chilean recognized the flavor profile as an empanada, but it was an authentic, different flavor combination. I loved watching this video and learning more about the struggle of being culturally recognized.

[@sdalby9127]

Patty, empanada, pasty, piroshki, turnover, hand pie. Many cultures make these.

[@fth1013]

@@sdalby9127 not the same thing!! I guess you've never had one!

[@ironhell808]

They're variants of the old British beef minced hand pie, with Jamaican spices added, they're not empanadas.

[@ironhell808]

Canada does this with patties, but claims it hasn't got any clue about the housing market corruption.

[@pocketlinttreasures33]

Loved this!!! So entertaining and well made! 👏👏👏👏

[@peachymeechie1844]

This was done in a great way! These people should make more historical programming. It drew me in. I didn't know about Patty's, but now I wanna go find one! Lol! This was done superbly! Love it!!

[@georgepereira8887]

This doc hits all the right notes. Funny, informative, and contextually relevant today.

[@GMLux]

So much humor in this😂. I'm so glad it was resolved and business continued.

[@badfoody]

What pisses me off so much is that the Health Inspector wasted time doing this instead of going for actual violations

[@kelownatechkid]

Great example of why CBC is worth preserving. Thanks to all

[@Juan_Sanchez-Vililobos_Ramirez]

I hadn't been aware of this. Very pleased it ended well for the restaurants! A Jamaican patty is a very specific, well known food. Who goes into a burger joint and orders a "patty" to begin with?! Bureaucratic overreach and waste at it's best on display here.

[@RobinTheBot]

Note how the overreach didn't get changed... Just kicked down the road.

[@DHEspana]

Yeah but everyone knows what a hamburger patty is

[@jaredf6205]

While it’s completely reasonable for what food is called to be tightly regulated, as it is for many many products in many many countries, and I absolutely agree with the need for these laws, it’s clear that in this instance, it really doesn’t fit the spirit of the law and the application of it towards their food was probably racist in origin.

[@leagueaddict8357]

@@DHEspana nobody calls it a patty it's a burger

[@GameFuMaster]

@@jaredf6205 yeah, it's racist to apply the law. Modern people and their bias towards anyone who happens to be a "person of color". guess people should be able to label things however they want, like calling spinach, prawns

[@marbss]

A Canadian Heritage moment. Well fought battle for common sense

[@kxng16]

Bruh 🤣

[@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib]

"Canadian"

[@NunyaBey]

Canadian heritage mins are racist propaganda w the intention of putting yt ppl in the role of the hero and to downplay or diminish contributions from poc. Google it. It's true.

[@myfinstabot]

#Facts ✔

[@meco4068]

@@NunyaBey what should I Google "are Canadian heritage moments racist?" lol

[@loveinspired7]

WHO OWNS THE WORD, "patty" and how did _they_ get ownership of the word, and have the power to command that NO OTHER PEOPLE can use the word, if it's not being used way _they_ think it should be used? This is absolutely insane! I love this story. I had no idea this had happened.

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

The FDA is in charge of defining what words mean when it comes to consumables. Milk, for example, underwent a definition change to be more specific when nut milks became available in grocery stores. The new specific definition of milk is liquid that comes from the mammary glands of ANIMALS. This means nut milks are NOT considered milk, and is why you will see nut milks labeled as nut beverages, mylks, or have milk in the name like the brand Milkadamia which is a milk substitute made from macadamia nuts.

[@MoisFamilyTech]

Love this story, Thank you for Sharing it! 😁🤙🏼🪂

[@gellertberenyi5908]

It’s mind boggling that something so purely innocent was targeted by the govt. Also, seems a lot of people might not know, Hamburgers get their name from the city of Hamburg, in Germany. Nothing to do with ham.

[@jdane2277]

Their overbearing attitude is pretty obvious by now. It's a government by bureaucrat for bureaucrat, not for the people.

[@playablue]

Why Study w…..e supremacy

[@zi9958]

@@jdane2277 yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haw!!

[@eryalmario5299]

This is ridiculous

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

@@jdane2277 realistically, it was for the people. At its core, it was effectively the same as the laws preventing people from selling garbage as cheese/ice cream/whatever, (have to label them cheese products/dairy dessert, respectively) which are objectively good, but however the policy was drafted and implemented poorly

[@linkupjamaica]

CBC, I really have to say, well done. I'm a Jamaican who lives in Jamaica, and never been to Canada but I'm obsessed with your marketplace stories. And then you guys come with this! You're a truly outstanding network! Again, well done! 🙌🏾👏🏾

[@EthanReeceGrantWorth]

watch the market place documentry of subway chicken,it will grab you between the legs 🤨

[@linkupjamaica]

@@EthanReeceGrantWorth I don't like how that sound but I'll watch it

[@dragon.fromindia3235]

INDIANS CONTROLLING AMERICANS POLITICS

[@MrSpankee02]

Thanx for posting this. Informative and entertaining.

[@keraatkins7833]

Crazy thing even in the US we call it the Jamaican patty too. Great snack food!

[@ImaginaryMdA]

I get that the government should have some regulations to keep companies from filling up hamburgers with flour, etc. But this is a ridiculous application of that law.

[@queenrr2342]

That's what they say. Back then they knew that Fast food Burger places already do this with things like "guar gum". Its now public knowledge.

[@ks9205]

Sounds like they need to have some regulations on themselves to stop filling up meats with water and other liquids to enhance the weight. 🤔🙄

[@angiep.4362]

What a great story! Amazing son that stood up for not only his culture, but his heritage, and parents! Well done!

[@skipfluck4299]

He can practice his culture back in Jamaica.

[@mamapapaxp]

@@skipfluck4299 Assuming that your reply is unabashed intolerance, ignorance or racism; just what 'culture' should he be practicing? Something OG Canadian? Which of the FNIM cultures should we settle on? Do you practice it? Or are you a practitioner of that most noble of imposed cultures: the White European Descended Occupier?

[@Swelly_K]

Thanks for showing us this piece of history, much love and appreciation from Jamaica

[@paulgowan2205]

Very well done! I like that the Government officials were not demonized and the mood was kept positive. Hearing the woman order a beef patty near the end and then hearing about exports made me think that it was a good thing to get the matter resolved before someone got confused over a shipment of beef patties from Canada. I'll have a double double, a Jamaican beef patty and a sugar circle, please.

[@markusgorelli5278]

🤔 Good point there, customs will be constantly applying the wrong tax.

[@BlackBlush]

I am so proud to have worked on this short doc! To be a part of history's history... " the plight of the Jamaican Patty in Canada" I was truly honored! #styleteam FOR THE KULTCHA!!

[@nicolataylor536]

You did awesome

[@kingbullyrock8739]

Jamaican patties are overrated, Empanadas are better

[@friedchicken4735]

@@kingbullyrock8739 boy bye

[@BlackBlush]

@@kingbullyrock8739 ✋🏾Whatever ...🤡

[@dragon.fromindia3235]

INDIANS CONTROLLING AMERICANS POLITICS

[@altheaspencer3588]

I remember the patty war very clearly. I was glad that the patty bakers stood their ground and fought and got the Jamaican patty to remain as part of our culture. If the bakers of the patty had changed the name to facilitate Consumer Affairs, Jamaican patty bakers in Canada would have lost their claim to the patty (to make, sell and distribute). Other non-Jamaican baking companies were waiting in the wings to take over that niche in the marketplace. Often wondered what had happened to Kensington Patty Palace - now I know. Use to get my hard dough bread from Kensington Patty Palace and of course along with my patty(s). Great Short Doc - enjoyed it.

[@sunshinehand1223]

Drake is about to buy a Patty shop! It was in the news today! I'm not sure how i feel about that.

[@missdorr4947]

@@sunshinehand1223 that's hilarious 😆

[@sunshinehand1223]

@@missdorr4947 Yeah!.. That might be the end, of our JAMAICAN ORIGINAL PATTIES!.. Drake, DJ Khaled and etcetera. Needs to stay out our biz!.. Watch out! Folks will take over! Let them represent and pay up!...🙏🙏💜💚💜💚💖💞😊

[@sunshinehand1223]

@@missdorr4947 I just hate the idea!... As Jamaicans, we need to set standards!... Like they do in other countries!.. Let's continue to stand militant and vigilant!...🗣🔊👊💚🙏🙏🙅‍♂️💜💚💖💕💞 Protect ours!!!..

[@sko1beer]

@@sunshinehand1223 he is going to fight for his to be called drake patties

[@matthewwall5296]

Really enjoyed and am thankful for this doc.

[@atilamatamoros7499]

Wonderful story, told magnificently! Congratulations from Puerto Rico.

[@kcdancause]

This is the beauty of Canada. They are a mosaic of cultures and people. When you immigrate to Canada, you become Canadian, but you keep your way of life (as long as it doesn't go against Canadian laws - e.g. no corporal punishment). You live, and you let live.

[@rayzorwood905]

I grew up in Toronto in the late 80s/early 90s, but around '96 in my late teens my family moved out into a more rural area of Ontario. One shopping trip with the family at the No Frills, I saw in the frozen food section Jamaican Patties, and suddenly there was a new item on the shopping list. A week passed, I forgot about them, and it was game night with the friends I had made since moving. We were hungry as any teenager usually was at our age, looking for something to snack on, and then I remembered about them. "Oh, shit! We got patties in the freezer!" I cried out. "What, hamburgers?" Asked my dumbfounded buddies. So, yeah, that was how I introduced to my pals the Jamaican Beef Patty, of which we had our own Patty War in getting to the limited stock at that particular No Frills. Good times.

[@prestonmatthews725]

You should go to Jamaica and try a real one. My roommate went home with me and he says that the patties here doesn’t do the actual patty that he had in Jamaica justice.

[@rackybalboa]

You should check out Randy's patties, Pattytime or Pj's jamaican patties if you're on Scarborough or west-end Toronto. Those frozen ones have nothing on these patties. Trust me. Google Randy's patties.

[@duran905]

@@rackybalboa Randy's closing permanently, tomorrow is the last day.

[@sunshinehand1223]

Frozen, Jamaican so called patties from the grocery is nasty!!...

[@portiamarriott5513]

Put in in the oven and not microwave and it’s delicious and flaky.

[@kizziezizzler8080]

i absolutely love this film, thank you!

[@31smile]

Very interesting and informative video. I eat patties for breakfast very often in Trinidad. I was introduced to them while in Jamaica many years ago and was so happy when they started selling them all over Trinidad. They are usually listed as Jamaican patties here.

[@Beat2Chill2]

That must be the most wholesome documentary I have ever watched. Kudos to the creators of this masterpiece!

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

They lost me when they brought up the absurdity of a legal definition of a "patty" being institutionalized racism. That view is literally racist itself. The irony and ignorance.

[@Beat2Chill2]

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep I did not feel that this was the point of the documentation. But I am sad to hear that this is all that you got from it. :(

[@SunnyE_Mechwarrior]

I love this, I was in Toronto but I never heard of this Patty war... but I do remember suddenly around the mid 80's everyone started talking about Jamaican Patties and we started seeing them everything from supermarkets to subway station snack to corner stores. I love how this was championed as common sense over bureaucracy

[@scorporsupremacy7948]

One of the BEST documentaries I have ever watched 👍🏽

[@maggiefollett636]

So well done! Funny and informative.

[@mscardioqueen]

I was a teenager then and I had no idea this happened in Toronto. I had all sorts emotions watching this documentary - happy, pride, anger, confusion. Making of an amazing documentary. This story is a gem!💎

[@NormAppleton]

I lived in Kensington from the late 80's to the early 90's, ate hundreds of Patties from that store. Didn't know about this silly assed grief they had to put up with. Was a dozen for six bucks back then. Just seeing the market back then and old Spadina hit me in the feels. Ahhh...European Meats WHO'S GOT A NUMBER?!!

[@raynemykels3416]

This video has given me every reason to never pass Jamaican patties again without purchasing at least 10!

[@szlash280z]

I apprenticed as and Auto Technician with a Jamaican man in the 2000's in Florida, he introduced me to Patties and I've been hooked on them ever since. Thank you, Kenroy! 🥰

[@gissel7768]

This was an awesome documentary! So well made and entertaining. I used to get the patties for lunch in high school while growing up in NYC one of my favorite foods. 🇯🇲 ❤️

[@zazatv6822]

Big ups this was informative and well done .

[@yaaharriott]

We had a Golden Krust on Nostrand Avenue in Brooklyn. I would buy from there, and also from our Pizza place because they put mozerella inside the patty, and melt it in the oven. Both were delicious.😊

[@gissel7768]

@@yaaharriott 🤤

[@kasia3582]

It would have been nice to hear about why the regulations were there in the first place. Probably some corporations were being cheap and cutting down on the amount of meat in their products and stuffing them with cheaper ingredients like flour. Regardless, a really great doc that brings history to life!!

[@gravityhypernova]

Very good point! Consumer protection against deceptive marketing was probably the core of this regulation.

[@NoMolechZoneLev]

Yea like the same concept of what happens with bread and cake I’m pretty sure if it has a certain amount of sugar it can not be considered bread . Or something like that .

[@safiyabless847]

TI SHOULD HAVE CALLED JAMAICAN PATTY IN THE FIRST PLACE

[@davidtuazon5381]

yah i wish they did that when they talked about beef at all in the 90s, Taco bell beef had all kinds of filler, even chipwood.

[@Willahbean]

To regulate the Black man and Black culture. The Karen’s of the 70’s and 80’s

[@ccth22]

As a NYC area kid this brings back incredible memories! Washing down a patty with a Jamaican style cream soda😋

[@lorinlake]

Much love and respect to our Jamaican brothers and sisters from Trinidad 🇹🇹....really enjoyed this

[@BoofPack69]

This was cool as hell, you need to make more mini docs like this

[@KwesiJamaal]

CONGRATS! Well done retelling of an important & relevant historical events in the Jamaican/Caribbean community in Toronto. Much appreciated indeed! More tellings like this are needed in Canadian media to accurately reflect the multicultural diversity in our city!

[@African.Diaspora.InLondonUK]

I am going to share this on my Guyanese, FB. This man needs to be honoured in Jamaica. Long live our Jamaican Patty.

[@jongroubert4203]

When I went to middle school, they used to serve these to us. Except that they called them TACOS. Being in a white, middle-class suburban neighborhood, we did not know the difference. But man, I loves me some Jamaican Beef Patties! And BTW, Jamaicans have the best accents, EVER!!!

[@coldwarkid6611]

What a great piece. Very funny. I laughed out loud. Better than some sitcoms on TV. I love Patty's. I wish there was a local place that makes them. I've made them myself and it's a bit of an involved process. I made them for my Superbowl party one year and everyone freaked out over them.

[@damiandean3665]

the patty is a staple in Toronto, I don't know a single person who doesn't enjoy them, those regulations were ridiculous and I'm glad they were able to get by. I don't know how different life would be without patties being available virtually anywhere in this city, but it would for sure be a less delicious life

[@damiandean3665]

you ask any Torontonian if they want a patty, and they automatically know what you mean, and they will almost always say yes

[@damiandean3665]

if we want a burger patty, we ask for a hamburger, nobody is like "hey, we're having patties tonight!" and then serve a hamburger, they are serving patties

[@yvonnekinch6943]

My children are Canadian.jamacian and bajan. They love patties my favorite allan and randy. I do not eat the filling only the pastry. I am here in Barbados reading about the closing of Randy. I really hope Drake buy it. When ever i am going to Florida to see my grandchildren i used to to Randy. I used to go to Peanuts Plaza for allen but it under new management and the patties are not the same. First time i heard about the patties war I been in Canada since 1967 ..i waiting for all the vaccination mandate gone to come back to Canada Smile i dont lol

[@Junjo11]

It was all about racism

[@wileycoyotegenius1]

@@yvonnekinch6943 Bring some of that Caribbean sun wit you and we will give you all the turnovers(meat pies} you like. stay well