WAKANDA FOREVER Review | A Messy Tribute Dragged Down By Bad Decisions

[@immortal2414]

It's amazing that the same people who wrote the 1st Black Panther film made a film that honor their actor at the expense of killing his characterization ironically. For example, Queen Romanda allows Wakanda to retreat back to isolation when T'Challa's purpose was to correct the misguided traditions that Killmonger exploited.

[@dallasdean4115]

It's a justified and realistic reaction, especially after their home got invaded not shortly after the King's death. I wouldn't want to keep providing the same people my stuff if they barged into my home and tried to take it by force like they owned it.

[@erikbihari3625]

@@dallasdean4115The only people wakandans fought with are themselves! And only because of poor descisions made by t'challa's father in order to:-"keep wakanda and thus world secret".

[@MeltonCrest]

@@dallasdean4115 It's not, the King didn't die, Boseman did. And let me remind you that the Type B Panther suit was already in the first movie, they planned all along to gender swap Black Panther regardless of wether Boseman lived or not. They only used his death to force an emotional reaction to get idiots like you to watch a movie about an actors death instead one about a character.

[@beneinstine6830]

@@dallasdean4115 Their home wasn't invaded they chose to lure the army there

[@gideondejongh838]

@@beneinstine6830 Lol home ground advantage.

[@bruceleeds7988]

I do agree with how they addressed T'Challa's sickness. they could have said it had something do do with T'cahlla being snapped for five years, that his body was uniquely affected and couldn't survive the experience much long afterwards, without another application of the herb

[@IronKore]

That sound doable and tying it to the mystery of the herb would have been nice

[@sammydray5919]

Or could have just have him be inflicted by an alien pathogen when fighting Thanos Army in Infinity War and Endgame and have that pathogen react very negatively with the flower power coursing through his body, making it a fatal reaction that wasn't traceable because it showed no symptoms until it was too late.............. Its a bit out there but it could have made sense with a little bit of re work 🤷‍♂️

[@tfly999]

How about this: open with a scientist discussing that there's been a string of deaths, unexplained, amongst people who were 'snapped'. They assure the public that the snap has some casualties, but losses should be minimal. Then the funeral: no loss is trivial.

[@IronDragon-2143]

If I had made this movie I would've given the character of T'Challa the respect he deserves. He wears a mask so nobody can see his face. Give him a proper send off and have him die heroically against impossible odds to save his people. Having him die off screen seems so disrespectful.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

Having him wear a mask throughout the hole movie would've been distracting as hell and very emotionally lacking.

[@deralbtraumritter8573]

Especially when it's "an unknown sickness" aka Bud Light Virus

[@ghidorah15]

@@nathanieldiaz5254 No one said it would be the whole movie; he can still die in the opening, but he needs to die a hero.

[@WillieHoule]

@@nathanieldiaz5254 He doesn't have to be here the whole movie, It could have been the opening scene or at least the first act

[@tryingtodobetter1577]

"Died of an unknown illness". Didn't the heart shaped herb give him any immunity? Super soldier serum cured Steve of all the diseases he had. Even if tchalla was sick, it shouldn't have reached advanced stage with the herb in him. Wakanda being an advanced nation they should've been able to find a cure easily..

[@Ashcroft1313]

They could of placed him on stasis like they did to winter soldier..

[@BrotherApexx]

Don't think too hard about it. Marvel Studios sure didn't. They let T'Challa die for their agenda and "out of respect" to Chadwick.

[@skychieftain]

Apparently the herb has an expiry date

[@Kraven83]

@@Ashcroft1313 could've *

[@qthequick]

Lazy writing

[@kalebtaylor4034]

Look even Chadwick’s family said that he most likely would’ve wanted a recast as he isn’t the character he just embodied him and I completely agree

[@suzygirl1843]

Families can't decide company futures

[@DemonicRemption]

@@suzygirl1843 It's funny, because of my near-sightness I misread that as "Families can't decide company failures."

[@sreedharanbaskaradass9896]

Chadwick Boseman is not T’Challa. He is a gifted actor who played the character. Any good actor can play T’Challa. Recasting is not being disrespectful.

[@Darkness1984]

Whoever they had casted would have been destroyed by the Fans.

[@sreedharanbaskaradass9896]

@@Darkness1984 that’s a possibility but I think given how important the T’Challa character is, most fans will accept it, provided he is played well by the new actor.

[@UC4AQUgrQ9EwVIGoF0w7xHXg]

It won't happen, what's done is done

[@Gundam4]

I know it's been a year but you are 100% correct. They should have recasted the character. There are plenty of black men who could have played the role of T challa.

[@sreedharanbaskaradass9896]

@@Gundam4 Yes, and by removing the character, they have excluded one of best black comic book heroes from the screen. Given the situation, I think most fans would have understood the need to recast.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

Riri being terrible in the movie was a given, but just wait I'm sure she'll be even worse in her Disney+ series

[@chriscolombie4135]

😂😂 wat why will they give her a Disney series , contrary to she-hulk , RiRI is already hated in comics , if they make a show , they need a miracle for it to work

[@blkhistorydecoded]

How was she horrible exactly?

[@chriscolombie4135]

@@blkhistorydecoded oh I don’t know killing random cops doing their job or just being able to just invent stark stuff without stark money in college , in the movie she is not insufferable or horrible, she is more so unnecessary than anything else , it’s a bad debut for a character like her and it’s even worse because contrary to she hulk , RiRI is actively hated by the comic book fanbase

[@blkhistorydecoded]

@@chriscolombie4135 Did you see those cops die? Because they didn't. You saw that she was getting money on the side and also there's a backstory that we don't know about until her series comes out.

[@blkhistorydecoded]

@@chriscolombie4135 Also hate is a very strong word. It's more like unpopular. If you have hate for somebody or something that means that person or that thing did something nasty towards you. I don't think Riri or the writers did something nasty to you.

[@kurtfrederiksen5538]

Actually, I think I know how to fix the Riri character. In addition to the improvements they made to her, a few more that if they made would of made her what I think may actually qualify as a good character: 1) Change her backstory so she grew up in the area where Black Panther sets up his school/outreach building. Have her go there. By having her go to a school or outreach center that Black Panther set up it adds to the idea of legacy. It also adds a connection to him and Wakanda, which then means when the Royal Guard comes to get her later, she now knows who they are and gives her a reason to be more trusting and less of a jerk. So instead of the reaction we got, we get one of more wonderment. This also would show how the Queen went the wrong direction with isolation after Black Panther disappears. I imagine having Riri show up in Wakanda talking to the Queen about how much that school meant to her sprinkled in how she wants to carry his legacy forward would not only be tasteful but would serve not only as a flaw for the Queen, but also a moment of character growth where the Queen could recognize in her grief she was wrong and a way to move past it. This personal connection also gives the Wakandans a reason to protect her, as I would think the Queen and her (and possibly other people that were close to Black Panther) would then see her as more of a symbol of the good Black Panther did in the outside world. I also can see a lot of narrative gold on the idea that everyone she looks up to is dead, once again showing how without Black Panther, they lost their way and integrating her into there stories, and themes of the movie. 2) When that gets closed down during the 5 year time skip, have Tony Stark recognize that area needs something and he continues to fund it. This would again provide a tie and allow the legacy of his character to move forward. Where the theme of Riri character is the burden of carrying someone else's legacy and the worries one has of themselves if they can live up to it. This would paint her as likable as instead of tearing down the old, she wants to do right by it, to make sure the good they made in the world is nurtured spread. It also could be her mini-arc where at the start she has no idea how to live up to the legacy and is feeling crushed under the weight and at the end she has started to accept the responsibility of it. 3) Her ironman suit ends up being a fusion of the aesthetics of the iron man suit and black panther suit. Again, the theme of the film is legacy, so instead of the design we got, have something that pays tribute to the people who helped make a large positive change in her life. Change her character from I am a minority women so I am the smartest and bestest to people made a positive change in my life, how do I pay this forward, now that I have power how to I respect the legacy they left behind? In later movies she can get a design that is closer to that in the comics, but for this one, I feel a more "legacy" looking one would fit the theme better. Curious on others thoughts on if this in their eyes would make the character and also parts of the movie better. That or at least you can see the direction I am going, and the multitude of cool ideas and good plot changes this would cause.

[@Dark_Prince089]

Once again Thorias tells it like it is. Well done man. You deserve so many more subscribers for your efforts...I regret I only have one to give.

[@cecillbill]

Namor was changed in the MCU primarily due to DC's Aquaman movie beating Marvel to the screen in portraying Atlantis and a sea based hero, even though Namor predates Aquaman in the comics.

[@pedanticperson1149]

Re: Riri They've bundled her into the film because they need an Ironman character & this was the easiest way of getting her in there & in a way that they hoped would deflect criticism (given it's about legacy), it's not like they could risk her own film or even a TV series at this point.

[@MVPMVE]

But they have all of this in Shuri already. Think about it. Riri and Shuri are basically the same character. They should have just folded the Ironheart persona into Shuri's characterization. She's already a young black female engineering genius that had a huge hand in building T'Challa's suit, as well as her dual hand cannon thingies that are very reminiscent of Tony's hand repulsion beams. As a princess of an advanced nation, she has believable access to the sheer amount of money and materials necessary to make these suits, unlike a 19 year old kid at MIT. She already has goodwill from the first movie, and many would probably accept her being Wakandan Ironheart over her being the Black Panther tbh. If we need her stateside, she's already heading that research center out in California, just have her relocate there, especially since it's implied she won't be the monarch, M'Baku will be. Riri is just a redundant character at this point.

[@vladpiranha]

Just like in the comics, we already have an alternate Iron Man and he's called War Machine. Why he doesn't get to do anything on his own in either format is a mystery.

[@MVPMVE]

@@vladpiranha Is he interesting in the comics? I only know War Machine from the MCU, and I don't know why he exists, though at least Howard was charismatic. Cheadle is so bland. I think that kid from IM3 could have stuck around and grown into an apprentice; we can call him Ironwill or whatever when the time comes, he's an original character, we're not plagued with Riri, and we wouldn't have wasted 2 Spiderman movies on him being Iron Boy. Or we could cut him too and just bring back my boy Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer lol. Such a fun character, thrown away on the worst Iron Man movie.

[@sheevpalpatine6139]

@@vladpiranha War machine is already getting a show though so just wait

[@magnaknight9252]

Honestly, Spider-Man does a much better job of being Iron Man successor than Riri will ever be, by trying to be both a better person, and a hero.

[@jakeyou979]

Riri Williams did steal Tony's inventions remember the scene where she literally burned his schematics when the cops showed

[@featherguardian6023]

In Order to Save this Movie and the Story,Disney and Marvel Studios should have Had Recasted the T'Challa Character since he's Both Black Panther and Wakanda,it isn't to Disrespect Him but to Honor Him and His Family,This Decision is Both Disappointing, Disrespectful, and Disgusting.

[@waterpillar1977]

His family actually agreed to marvel allowing them to have his funeral Plus Chadwick IS black panther having him recast is basically replacing him

[@arkadiuszkawak6379]

Now imagine you're the cast of the 1st film and you're told you're gonna be acting alongside a different actor playing the same character that your friend who's passed away played.Especially that not a long time has passed. You guys clearly don't understand that this wasn't a decision made by fucking Kevin Feige, I'm pretty sure the cast, crew and director had some say in it.

[@QTRemnant]

@@waterpillar1977 While I definitely get and totally agree with the "Chadwick IS black panther" thing, T'challa still had tons of stories to be adapted and killing him off was too early. This isn't an easy choice either way.

[@cheeseburgersuperior1874]

@@waterpillar1977 yet Blade is okey? how about war machine? they were replaced.

[@waterpillar1977]

@@cheeseburgersuperior1874 Chadwick is black panther he made that role special the characters you listed actors are alive recast Chadwick IS replacing him

[@nvfury13]

7:40 Sounds like they got Riri *very* comics accurate. Did she also need the concept of gravity explained to her by her suits A.I. and steal the plans, parts, and lab equipment to build her armor before being given one built by Stark’s (I guess in this Shuri’s) lab after her’s was destroyed by a single attempt at doing something? Edit: Guess not on the stolen Stark stuff.

[@williampearson6299]

Only you know about Riri from the comics. The general Black Panther audience is watching her for the first time

[@wideopen5578]

Did you watch the movie? Your answer is in it.

[@anthonyguidas2012]

Yes, this is what I’ve been waiting for, the honest reviews, I just watched the Drinker’s video, and jumped right over to yours. I appreciate the honesty, you won’t get that from the shills

[@ShatteredGlassUnicron]

Yeah, was planning on not even watching any reviews cause of how little I cared about the movie, but I saw this video in my sub feed, so kinda had to. :P

[@wideopen5578]

LMAO - you've been waiting for someone to tell you what to think about something you've never seen?

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

Or maybe people who liked it acknowledge the flaws but don't believe it overshadows the great parts of the movie. Just generalizing people into one box makes you look like a prick. Just saying.

[@DerrickVanderspoon]

@@nathanieldiaz5254 Real.

[@NMbones98]

I new they were going to fumble the bag without the recast Chadwick Boseman's brother spoke on behalf of his brother he said he wanted the character to continue so basically marvel got his blessing they are objectively wrong imo

[@ak96ful1]

The KZbin algorithm disses are always some of my most anticipated moments of your movie reviews.

[@S4ns]

Marvel killing off Black Panther also kills off decades worth of comic stories they could have drew from to make movies with that character. But you know this wasn't about honoring anyone's memory. This was about "YO WE GOT FEMALE QUEEN BLACK PANTHER YALL, YAAAAAS BLACK QUEEN SLAAAAAAY"

[@KingWolf101]

After watching the movie, Riri wasn't a massive problem in this movie. If anything her presence in the movie was great because she basically a foreigner to them. She's pretty funny with her one liners and her interaction with shuri felt like a sisterhood to me. I would love to see Thorne in her series next year. I would watch her any day of the week than watch that green female gorilla hooker ripoff she hulk. You CAN'T SAY she's just the same as she hulk. Riri is tolerable and she hulk isn't .This movie made over 600 million dollars on opening night I think so it was a massive hit. There's just a bunch of people online who can make videos bringing it down because they don't like it. Thankfully numbers don't lie and people do lie sooo....

[@Ashcroft1313]

The one thing you should never do when you're impaled is to remove the object because you'll die from blood loss, she had wolverine/ Deadpool level of healing factor.

[@CalvinKalisto]

Tony stark did the same thing and survived, using his nano macines, why can't the black panther suit do the same.

[@Ashcroft1313]

@SockMonkey Gaming You guessed wrong, that level of internal damage can't be stabilize that quickly, she even does a flip 3 seconds later, don't excuse bad writing.

[@Ashcroft1313]

@@CalvinKalisto Can you remind me when it was shown that her Black panther suit had Nano machine capabilities?

[@sleepykittyH]

@@Ashcroft1313 I think they had that for T'Challa, sorry if I misspelt the name, in the first movie. I haven't seen it in awhile

[@Ashcroft1313]

@@sleepykittyH Even so, it seems to me like T'challa reacted to injuries less fatal than that in a more realistic manner

[@dcarr8816]

I think the changes to Namor was something to do with rights issues…..in order not to have to pay royalties to the creators of the original comic book character, they had to change him enough to be essentially a different character…

[@TevyaSmolka]

Wait I thought Namor rights were with universal

[@deepfriedokra]

@@TevyaSmolka yes you’re right. I don’t know why people just speculate in the comments at will when Google is right there.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@deepfriedokra yup that's right

[@littlesamu5920]

I think it was just to separate him from Aquaman

[@ShatteredGlassUnicron]

@@littlesamu5920 probably a bit of both.

[@Barot8]

I haven't seen the film but I think introducing Ironheart Riri was a huge mistake as it totally detracts from the story and has no reason to be introduced here. Feige made a huge mistake just skipping over great story lines from the comics. He rushed into the whole modern era which is currently tanking titles left and right. I'm certain when the Fantastic Four is introduced it'll be Susan who's the leader of the team. Reed (who's made way too many mistakes in the modern era) will be an idiot.

[@episode2episode931]

This is how the Phase 4 M-SHE-U concludes? Ironic. Plus I find it odd that they won't recast Black Panther but have no problems trying to replace 'Thunderbolt' Ross after William Hurts passing.

[@devilfacethedarklord]

Technically we will get another Tchalla but we have to wait till his son grows up

[@cowel8734]

The need to feminize everything really ruins it. You have women acting like men. Which is funny since being womanly seems to be a bad thing to them. The fact that they imagine black folks to be so tribal even being highly advanced seems pretty silly. I'm rooting for DC. Marvel is like a really pretty firework that loses its worth as it goes off. DC has substance which I love. Loved Snyder's more believable execution.

[@Thynqikan]

this movie is "girl power" to the extreme. Ahkukhan (spelling) looks similar to the Submariner. They should have just made Namor and the Atlanteans like they are in the comics. The large feather motif makes no sense for an underwater race in my opinion.

[@Starkiller2725]

Apart from the bad CGI of Riri's suit, i think i liked everything else. To her character, i am indifferent, but yeah, everything else felt really good to me.

[@daimonatkins3046]

The whole recasting T'Challa situation has me conflicted because one one hand, I like what Ryan Coogler wanted to do with the struggles of being a king in a changing world after Avengers Endgame and how that parallels Namor’s introduction with a two worlds colliding story that introduces some interesting ideas While on the other hand, I understand if they recasted the T’Challa than people might not see past what Chadwick Boseman brought to the role and why they felt the need to change some details to make it more than just one lead making a difference and how Namor can still be apart of the story along with Talokan going to war with the surface Even though it might’ve been too much, I wonder what this movie would’ve been like if Doctor Doom had made his MCU introduction in this Black Panther sequel and how it could’ve affected things going forward

[@deepfriedokra]

@SockMonkey Gaming that is not even remotely true. If Namor was handled well he would totally hold his own in a story with Doom. One of the most classic early FF comics by Lee and Kirby was Doom and Namor teaming up to take down the Fantastic Four before Namor joins the FF to take down Doom.

[@BrotherApexx]

Chadwick isn't the only talented black actor in Hollywood. They cast him because he was safe, plain and simple. That's why they recast Rhodey. Don Cheadle was non-threatening compared to short RDJ. What happened to Wakanda Forever is what's been happening since Endgame. Hell, we even saw it in Endgame with the forced "girl power" scene. But it makes sense since women 18-35 are the core demographic in society--they have all the buying power. This movie had its moments, but killing T'Challa cast a dark cloud over the entire thing.

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@BrotherApexx SOLID BASED!! They did recast BP - as a girl. Cos M-She-U

[@blkhistorydecoded]

It's like someone you cared about died and you just act like nothing ever happened.

[@Doriedejai]

@@BrotherApexx He was recast, geez y'all

[@tonythaler8472]

The M-she-U phase 4 is all about women rising above men. Chadwick Dying didn't made Shiri Black Panther, it just made it a lot easier for Disney to get rid of T'challa and have their own catwoman.

[@aurahoneydew9607]

They really should have swapped out Riri with a Ultimate Universe style young Reed Richards with powers. MCU Spider-Man it up with him as powered up and active. Then have the Fantastic Four show up at the end. It'd be awesome and maybe humble that bald headed lady who flings out "colonizer" with impunity.

[@katebishopstan7663]

I’m guessing they changed Namor’s origin cause it was too similar to Aquaman’s who debuted in live action first and that’s why they also can’t use the Atlantis name

[@Raximus3000]

No, they did it so they would not have to pay royalties, disney is allergic to this.

[@TheDravic]

Atlantis is a fictional and mythical island mentioned throughout the ages in a few instances. aka you can't copyright it.

[@Raximus3000]

@SockMonkey Gaming Atlantis is public domain, ergo YOU CANNOT copyringht it, otherwise Aquaman would not exist!

[@TheDravic]

@SockMonkey Gaming Then don't use Namor, call this random character something else because NAMOR he is not.

[@deepfriedokra]

@SockMonkey Gaming no that person is wrong. They have to change it significantly because Universal has comic Namor adaptation rights so they need to differentiate their version from the comics one as much as possible.

[@bigoz169]

LMFAO did anyone notice Riri has a corn roll shaped helmet WTF how tight is that thing (apparently as tight as the corn rolls) . And Thorias I keep telling you this is and will be from here on the M-she-U female Black Panther was the plan all along but Chadwick's death speeded things up for them.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

Yeah I remember reading a dozen articles about people wanting Shuri to be Black Panther while Chadwick was still alive. They even tried it in the comics by giving Shuri a solo series where she was Black Panther and it was God awful, just looking at the art alone was enough to make you hurl!

[@cheeseburgersuperior1874]

yup. sweet jesus. not to mentioned, the use of tribal drums to enter wakanda.

[@artofmartialcinemaamc5334]

@@patrickmcguire7896 Yep. I remember Chad even saying something down the line so if he's not happy with the direction that the MCU is going and I think he may have even mentioned them trying to make a female Black Panther over him....

[@darrengordon-hill]

SUPER BASED Womankanda

[@KingNazaru]

Just wait till he learns that Batwoman is coming back in the Flash show.

[@blackghost7768]

I was waiting on someone to point it out 😂😂😂

[@darrinlloyd283]

I thought they canceled the Flash Show or am I wrong?

[@michaelrhodes3285]

@@darrinlloyd283 the flash is going to have a final season.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

I doubt he'll care he stopped watching Flash ages ago

[@KingNazaru]

@@patrickmcguire7896 He’ll care if Batwoman is involved.

[@TheCrimsonRevenger]

Chadwick went on record saying he wanted the role recast. He did NOT want Black Panther to die with him. So this was not what Marvel thought was "the most respectful thing". This was a GLEEFULL(for them) opportunity to replace yet another strong male character with a female imitation.

[@lenlaarwow]

It felt like they were giving M'baku a little bit more in this movie, he was almost interesting to me. When he showed the elders some level of knowledge he knew and was giving Shuri some council both when she was grieving and when it came to killing in war, I appreciated that. But in the end, he was just minor enough that it didn't build up enough. Also, it bugged me how VERY briefly RiRi mentions her father as almost an influence in her life, but it's so quick if you sneezed it would've been missed.

[@ambientknightz8211]

He got punked the whole movie

[@avoiceup3222]

Ummm is it true that he is in the movie only for about 10 minutes?

[@ambientknightz8211]

@@avoiceup3222 everytime he was on screen

[@sheevpalpatine6139]

M'Baku literally became king tho

[@ambientknightz8211]

@@sheevpalpatine6139 Idc he got whooped thru the whole movie and only got the throne cause shuri ain't want it basically..he shoulda really been black panther as shuri nor Ramonda fought for the throne like Tachalla killmonger and mbaku had to do in the first film... He was everybody punk in the film

[@TaddiestMason]

The only correct move for the character of Black Panther is to have Michael B Jordan reprise his role as Killmonger from another universe where he won that fight against T'Challa but ultimately changed his ways and took on the mantle of Black Panther there. Make the MCU characters deal with the same thing we the audience are dealing with: the guy who tried to kill T'Challa is now walking around the MCU calling himself Black Panther. It makes for some compelling storytelling and lets them play off the multiverse a bit more.

[@yurikendal4868]

So having a wakanda wide inviation to the Black panthar role would have been ruled out in this movie? A nephew? A distant brother, something? Or a young man willing to take on the challenge? ANything?? NO?

[@matane2465]

So they've completely screwed over the Fantastic Four before they even got an MCU movie. They ruined two enemies closely associated with them with Namor and the Skrulls in Captain Marvel and Wakanda Forever, because it was worth it for these crap movies instead of potentially good FF stories. They also ruined then buried the Inhumans, another group closely associated with the FF. And they ruined Mr. Fantastic in Multiverse of Madness.

[@filipvadas7602]

1.Puttig Riri Williams into this and making her a central figure was the equivalent of strapping a half ton weight on a guy who's alredy limping from a .40 caliber bullet wound. But the saddest part is that there were so many cool ways to make both her and Namor more interesting: A)Make Riri the villain. She's alredy Tony Stark but with none of the charisma so just play into that with Shuri being the ONLY one protecting her because she's displacing her grief and not seeing her for what she is B) Have Namor not really give a crap about Wakanda initially. Only informing them that he's gonna kill the scientist (Riri) out of obligation as he feels that he's doing them a favor. And when apporached he basically beats the crap out of anyone or completely ignores them. Saying outright that the only person he'll talk to is the current Black Panther, as he would be a warrior first and politician second, which does fit with Chadwick's interpretation of the character while giving Namor a good bit of depth. Showing that while he's a king himself he respects fighters first and foremost 2. Its kinda weird that more enthasis isn't put on how destabilising T'Challa's death is on Wakanda. The way its set up, Wakanda has had a king/queen and a warrior with the Black Panther title for *centuries* with the cicle never being broken. But now with T'Challa's death they lost BOTH. Showing the country and the royal family in unrest and dissaray could have been interesting 3. Okoye probably should have been the next Black Panther if recasting wasn't an option. I could totally see the actress pulling it off.

[@sheevpalpatine6139]

Okoye works better as a midnight angel though. In the comics they were an elite group of Dora Milaje. The best of the best. And Okoye IS the best of the best. It fits. Wakanda losing a king and a protector WOULD be destabilizing if the queen didn't ALSO have all the same ruling power the King has. Losing a king wouldnt be that terrible since the queen is still there and unlike is traditionally kingdoms, she has the same power he does. They still have a ruler. What they really lost was a protector. And the movie covered that great. The US got c ok confidnet and attacked a wakanda outreach center becaus ethey thought they were helpless without the black panther. Namor would never NOT care about Wakanda. It's a powerful nation just like his. With Vibranium, just like his. They are clearly a nation that can match with his. Any good ruler would pay a little attention to a the only nation that could destroy or help his own nation.

[@BlackMaleSpirituality]

The respecting Chadwick thing is cap. There was a very insulting agenda with this movie. They want to remove a strong black male leader and replace him with “strong, independent women.” I will not be seeing this move in theatres at least .

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

Exactly. How come we haven't heard from William Hurt's family about recasting General Ross? Heck, TERRENCE HOWARD is still alive and they recast him. They used the family as a shield to do the replacement they wanted to do from the beginning.

[@ricktr6861]

America Chavez, Riri Williams and Moon Girl coming up. Are there any more crap characters Marvel can shoehorn into their movies?

[@ajclements4627]

I’m sure if Marvel doesn’t have a few more crap characters, they can always screw good ones up, like Thor.

[@balrighty3523]

4:48 And that is why I don't get why DC kept Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair for as long as they did. She regularly rubs elbows with superheroes with advanced technology, alien technology, future technology, and frelling magic! Why leave her like that?

[@draxxzakuto5735]

You know they could have just solved this whole issue of they just had she hulk talk to Kevin and fix it. 🙄

[@zackcrouch6930]

My favorite part is when Namór said “my name is namorrrr, and I like tacos and burritos”

[@BLACKSTA361]

Sounds racist asf, no way the Latin community should let Disney treat them like that

[@waterpillar1977]

@@BLACKSTA361 he literally never said any of that and talcons and namor are indigenous

[@waterpillar1977]

@SockMonkey Gaming racism is so Ingrained into them it's actually sad

[@BLACKSTA361]

@@waterpillar1977 did I misread something? I haven't watched the movie yet btw

[@waterpillar1977]

@@BLACKSTA361 namor and his people aren't Latinos and are indigenous 2 the op comment is hella racist

[@mrbabyhugh]

3:57 Shuri was more upset at herself that she has genius gift mind and couldn't come up with something to save her brother. No big deal, it was terrible.

[@williampearson6299]

Same as Tony Stark

[@vishnuk67]

@@williampearson6299 still movie plot is terrible.

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Nothing was stopping her from putting her brother in stasis like they did Bucky

[@danielcoffman1022]

It sounds to me like this was really a hidden “iron heart” movie. Let’s be honest, that film would have failed even more than this

[@patrickmcguire7896]

Just wait Ironheart is getting her own series, I'm putting money on it tanking faster and harder than She-Hulk

[@MVPMVE]

@@patrickmcguire7896 You must not have watched She Hulk. Being worse than that??? Whew...

[@alansjf33]

The movie was a big mistake. T’Challa should have been recast. They would have never made this disastrous movie if they did what Chadwick Boseman and his family wanted and recast the role. Instead they made about a 1/3 of the movie one big cinematic Funeral for Chadwick Boseman that he didn’t want. His brother publicly said the role should be recast . They basically gentrified the Black panther movie by introducing another culture and having it take over the film. It’s almost like they are killing the franchise on purpose. I really believe that. Boseman said he wanted black panther to be like James Bond and continue. There have been about 9 James Bond’s. Every one is compared to the original Sean Connery . Connery has a legacy that grows with each new Bond. So killing off the character doesn’t honor Boseman , it literally cuts off his potential legacy. Very short sighted of Disney. Black people finally had a real long lasting , universally accepted superhero respected by the world and the people involved blew it ! If Super man , Batman , Spiderman and the Joker after Heath Ledger died , can be recast , so can black panther.

[@michaelquaid4679]

The first two minutes of the movie were really good. And the last couple of minutes of the movie were pretty good... EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN WAS A DUMPSTER FIRE

[@starhawke380]

You mean the opening part where they show all the comic frames of all the Marvel characters, and then the closing credits?

[@midknightmiddleman5887]

@@starhawke380 yup, that’s exactly it

[@starhawke380]

@@midknightmiddleman5887 The opening thing is getting old now, but the credits were pretty amazing this time. Great musical score for the credits.

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@starhawke380 AMEN!! I must be dead cos that beginning moved me not one bit

[@vashishtramoutar8122]

Felt like forever since a review from you. Happy to hear this review thorias

[@JoeKerrAnomaly]

They gave Shuri the Reva treatment. Fatally stabbed in the torso doesn't kill them. Even if done twice.

[@sheevpalpatine6139]

They're Waknadans. Shuri can stabilize wounds with her beads and the suit has nano particles, as seen when the hole on the suit closed. The only reason Killonger does form the Stab wound is because he specifically refused medical treatment. If he had the beads to stabilize his wounds, he would've survived too.

[@Doriedejai]

She took the Atlantean Herb. That's why she heals

[@sheevpalpatine6139]

@@Doriedejai she didnt take the atlantean herb. She used the genetic makeup of the atlantean herb to make the purple panther herb becasue they both were grown on vibranium rich soil.

[@Doriedejai]

@@sheevpalpatine6139 That's precisely my point though lol they have different effects

[@glennhowardcunnington6362]

@@Doriedejai so did killmonger, he was stabbed then dies

[@THEBIGPIMMPIN]

I never thought about the having no Vibranium and building a Vidranium detector. Dumb writers.

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

10:55 I'm not sure that's accurate. In the last Iron-boy movie, that was proven kind of wrong. They reference her proper name while being interrogated. "Michelle Jones-Watson". And she chastised her interrogators that she doesn't go by that surname anymore. At the very least, it's toeing (or tap-dancing spastically) on the line.

[@Mythos0187]

I agree this is one of the worst films. I have so much frustration about this mess. The M-She-U has ruined nearly all my childhood heroes by emasculating, humiliating and killing off them for a better stronger female lead, truly disheartening and disgusting.

[@unigenius]

Obviously, they changed Namor and Atlantis's origin stories for the MCU because, in the comics, they're very similar to what Aquaman did in his movie, which came out a couple of years ago. So they wanted Namor to feel as different as possible from Aquaman to keep people from saying he's just a Marvel Aquaman knock-off. Honestly, I'm surprised you didnt figure that part out.

[@Byronic19134]

So you either missed the part where Killmonger burned down the entire sacred herb garden or you watched that scene and was like ah no big deal. Yeah dude the story is about recreating the herb the villain in the last movie burned down that is why that scene was so important. Not sure why this specifically is hard to believe when it was apart of the plot when Chadwick was alive in the first one.

[@kpag3030]

I feel for Chadwick and his family and friends. My condolences. However… this movie sucks. It’s flat out bad. Many reasons. Not the worst of all of the MCU, but pretty bad.

[@patrickmcgavin2245]

Idk if recasting T'challa would've helped. Because you know they were going to focus on all the women characters. Including the majority of the movie on the unlikable reeree williams. The movie would be the same. Disney and Marvel studios are hell bent on giving us unmitigated trash.

[@BroJo676]

Truth be told, Namor and his people being Mayan-like was a very good and well-executed idea. Beside that, most of your critique is spot on even though I did enjoy the emotional weight of the movie.

[@barryholyoke5169]

they changed Namor so much to avoid paying creator royalties

[@artofmartialcinemaamc5334]

@SockMonkey Gaming I thought I was the only one hopping on they ass for LYING. They can use Namor, Atlantis and the whole 9. They just can't make a SOLK FILM, even with all these "creator royalty" changes, they still can't make their own movie about him! So they should have just made someone like Luke Evans Namor, & Tenoch Huerta could have been an underwater rival to Namor battling over the "King of Atlantis"/ King of the Seas/Oceans title. There's already another underwater continent civilization that rivals Atlantis in the comics, Talokan could have been exactly that !

[@thevoid2117]

I believe Gary from Nerdrotic specified the reason either on FNT or another of their Wakanda Forever vids. Namorr, it's a rights issue. It may be Universal still has rights to the character. So Namor, Avenging Son, isn't the right character and they gave us Namorr the boy without love

[@Kori-T]

9:10 I’m so glad I’m not the only one who felt that way, just let her go, the movie wouldn’t have happened, but it’s the same issue I have with No Way Home. The smart call would be is to just let them pass on.

[@totomomo18]

Right just like I thought how can someone make an Vibranium detector when you don't have Vibranium to test it :) ?

[@totomomo18]

@SockMonkey Gaming That is fine if the said Riri was working for the CIA and they got vibranium for her to test it but she was just a college student (Even though she was in MIT)

[@patrickmcguire7896]

That the problem with the writers of Riri, they keep pushing for people to like her so they give all these examples of great, amazing and smart she is but they always forget to use common logic so she ends up looking like a fake

[@cb-gz1vl]

They could have used CGI and stock footage to have T'Challa fight and die at the hands of Namooooooorrrrrr which would give the characters a reason to be angry.

[@blkhistorydecoded]

Yes but then a whole bunch of people will have complaints about that. Complain complain complain. Can't win.

[@sheevpalpatine6139]

Either way you bunch will complain

[@MoyosoreOgunbiyi]

Thanks for the review, there was always a sense that the MCUs was slowly heading towards a Creative Dead End sans SM: NWH. Each new Film and TV Series kept highlighting the substandard quality of the writing/storytelling. I was initially excited about Wakanda Forever but after the She-Hulk finale, my expectation for anything beyond that point dropped like a stone. Counting backwards now BP: WF, T: L&T, DS: MOM have collectively sucked and now we know why they unceremoniously skipped to Phase 5 but that hardly improves anything with what we've seen so far. It's time to move on from the MCU franchise. Whenever you have a good idea, the sincerity to apply it usually shines in the early stages, then it matures, then it peaks and eventually becomes long in the tooth when it doesn't know how to evolve. The MCU is now middling and feels unremarkable at best but now expect a few, rare good ones and lots of forgettables in the future. 💁

[@sreedharanbaskaradass9896]

The only reason SpiderMan is good is because Sony has say in it.

[@MoyosoreOgunbiyi]

@@sreedharanbaskaradass9896 Obviously, that's why I said "sans" (without). 🤷

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

I recommend you watch Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. if you want to go back to the times where Marvel was good more often.

[@madtitanthanos7898]

Twitter ppl actually want Ryan coogler to direct Secret wars LMAOO

[@madtitanthanos7898]

@SockMonkey Gaming no he wouldn't. His lacing sucks, his writing is cringe and is written like it's for cartoon network, characters talk slower than they should for some reason and talk like Stevie from Malcom in the middle, and he has a clear anti white agenda

[@madtitanthanos7898]

@SockMonkey Gaming God forbid a movie focusing kn black ppl not rag on white ppl for being white. Like how Ross, who does nothing bit help Wakanda is called a colonizers LMFAO. Killmonger was Malcolm X with no nuance. Imagine hating white ppl

[@skychieftain]

Yeah it's because they only want a 95% black cast in those movies as well lol

[@Dj-Mccullough]

Paused the video at 1 second to post this before watching.. Predicting he just EXPLODES spontanously. Edit: Sad, No explosion.

[@andrewcarlton6196]

I think people are wrong about having to rewrite it because there were rumors that T'Challa was going to get killed in the beginning and his sister was going to take up the suit. I belive Disney just took a tragedy and turned it into an opportunity making it hard to criticize. I think the only thing affected the script i think was they could not show T'Challas death, but the rest of the movie went as planned

[@Shiirow]

Black Pander : Whack Andy Forever

[@cb-gz1vl]

The cultural solution in Wakanda is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in both Atlantises in DC and Marvel movies is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in Wonder Woman's Amazon Island is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in Black Adam is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population The cultural solution in Avatar is closed borders and a closed homogeneous population Notice a trend?

[@amparocruz951]

Yeah, Fuck Colonizers, they’ll exploit countries for resources so fuck em we’ll keep our resources

[@cb-gz1vl]

@@amparocruz951 You mean the diverse and inclusive people. BTW diversity is our strength dontcha know. Can the colonizers have privacy?

[@amparocruz951]

@@cb-gz1vl No I mean colonizers, the people who stole native peoples all over the world’s resources and turned a lot of African countries into what it is today

[@cb-gz1vl]

@@amparocruz951 Like the Bore farmers who brought prosperity to Africa? Or the Africans and Arabs that raided other countries for slaves?

[@BrianFlyingPenguin]

5:40 Actually, that's pretty believable to me. Wakandan society gave me the impression of having WIS as their dump stat.

[@MKF30]

So now that we've had all the new comic movies this year come out, which would you say was the best of the 4? The Batman, Multiverse of Madness, Black Adam or Wakanda Forever?

[@datboielijah1234]

Batman v Superman so underrated smh why does nobody ever talk about it

[@MKF30]

@@datboielijah1234 A bit random lol but ok, hey I like the directors cut personally but people love to hate on DC and praise MCU I've noticed...though to be honest though these days of late i'm liking DC stuff much more to be honest. I enjoyed BVS.

[@BrotherApexx]

The Batman

[@MKF30]

@@BrotherApexx I agree.

[@MVPMVE]

@@MKF30 I loved MoS and WW, and enjoyed Aquaman as dumb fun. Shazam felt like a little kids movie, but it was inoffensive. But BoP, WW1984, Black Adam, both cuts of BvS and JL, just... no. The Batman this year was the best, and that was only just above average. Too long, too dark in color, not enough development because everyone felt like a stock character, and flooding Gotham felt like the wrong choice for the ending. It should have ended when Riddler was arrested and ranting to Batman from Arkham. The noir vibes were cool I guess, and the cinematography/technical production. I'd rate it well above Schumacher's Batman & Robin, juuust better than his Batman Forever, but a good deal worse than Burton's and Nolan's.

[@Profess84]

Great review. I remember how much you use to rant on Riri on you other channel.

[@opinionatedlookinboy5555]

LOVED. LOVED. LOVED the snap edit at the end. I'm playing this on my phone and screen-shotting that ish!! lol 5:10 -- Thank you!! One of MANY first thoughts that came to mind when I heard about this. I was like, " 'Synthesizing!?!' Why?? They don't have a back-up plan for something like that???? They have flying cars, but can't percieve a worse-case-scenario like safekeeping the _essence_ of the Black Panther's power???" I naturally thought they'd re-planted the damn garden. Ofcourse, I thought they would have re-cast the Black Panther too, sooooo.......yeah. >eyeroll< (I am seriously sliding from hating Disney, into despising them.)

[@killcat1971]

Many of the choices, such as T'challa not seeking help, are DELIBERATE, they are part of the man bashing of the movie, they were ALWAYS going to replace him with Shuri, same with Riri.

[@ambientknightz8211]

Faxxs they even made mbaku a joke

[@richt5986]

I honestly didn't think it was that bad. It was way better than the last Thor film. But I agree that phase 4 is terrible

[@Ramsey276one]

11:11 is he going to work with Kotal Khan in Mortal Kombat 12?! XD

[@bliczb8772]

You know, for all the things they changed about Namor, from the way he looks to his origins... They just had to keep his ankle wings. The one thing that was looked stupid is the one thing they had to keep. Why?

[@joserolon4444]

The last time marvel used a movie as a backdoor pilot for another character was Ben Affleck Daredevil, and we all know how that turned out

[@CyGea]

The origin and Atlantis changes, were all in service too "This is not Aquaman." Giving WB no reason to sue.

[@Sjono]

T'Challa dies in a stupid way and the good he has done for the world in sharing the Vibranium not only becomes undone, but has proven to have been so detrimental that the Wakandans made an enemy in Namor and the Talokanians. Way to honor the character’s legacy Disney

[@aurahoneydew9607]

The right decision would've been to recast. There's a saying "Show must go on!".

[@yucelonmaz2]

They pretty much recasted him if you watched the post credit scene

[@FSK1138]

7:12 riri welding LOL but you never see her coding or wiring electronics LOL

[@fourthhorsemendeath218]

You've earned my subscription good sir. Glad we agree on a majority of the things in this movie

[@sodalangstson9438]

It superhero movie u can't cast your freind family and freind as the main lead no matter how good actor is the character need to be recognizable

[@HalfKort]

lol you really had me with that closing 🤣

[@yojimbo9310]

"Re--jigger"? Close, so very close!

[@JamesGochnour]

So, Dicounted Namor and the Non-Atlanteans wanted to kill Discounted Ironman in the movie. But when she was captured by the Non-Atlanteans, they didn't kill her?

[@sheevpalpatine6139]

Because when she was captured, so was Shuri. Namor as any good leader would, saw an opportunity. He wouldnt have to kill Riri if he got Shuri to feel sympathy for him and vouch for him and his people. Two powerful nations, one already in hot water with the United States. He was going to try to form an alliance to eventually wage war on the surface like he planned. Just watch the movie. Reviewers can never be trusted because they're biased. Watch it yourself and form your own opinion after seeing the entire movie. This guy is only pointing out the things that he thinks don't make sense- but they do. He's just leaving those parts out

[@JamesGochnour]

@@sheevpalpatine6139 : Sorry to tell this, but unfortunately and I do mean UNFORTUNATELY, I did see this movie. First off, why were the Wakandaies responsible to find the scientist who build the machine? How did the Non-Atlanteans know it was only one scientist and not several scientists or the fact that the design of the machine wasn't copied? Your going to say " It was T'Challa told the world about Vibranium ". And which case I would say " That the write of this crap movie never seen the first Captain America movie". You know the part where Anthony Stark gave Steve Roger a shield made out of VIBRANIUM. Not only that, Anthony Stark called the material VIBRANIUM. So, the US already knew about Vibranium. Also, if the Non-Atlanteans were going to break there word about letting the Wakandaies find and bring her to them? Why not just let the Non-Atlanteans find her and kill her without telling the Wakandaies there plan? And what was Discounted Namor plan to invade the surface? You know the surface dwellers could probably speed dial a sorting " God of Thunder ". Hey, how crispy do you like your Fish Sticks?

[@karenanewme7520]

@@JamesGochnour I think that they knew about Vibranium, they just didnt know where to find large amounts of it.

[@JamesGochnour]

@@karenanewme7520 : Well the US government could've ask a genius like....I don't know Tony Stark or Bruce Banner to help build a machine that could detect Vibranium.

[@smithwriter69]

Instead of T'Challa dying from a disease, I can actually imagine in my mind what should have been the first 5 minutes of the movie. Black Panther is chasing a known Marvel supervillain through the city, time is of the essence, Wakanda is going to be destroyed if he or she is not stopped. A quick fight ensues, the trigger is pulled, and Black Panther has seconds to decide if he should run or sacrifice himself. Like Stark before him, Black Panther makes the ultimate sacrifice, is blown up with the supervillain, but only a small part of the city, instead of the whole country of Wakanda, is destroyed. His last words are, "For my beloved Wakanda...Wakanda forever!". Fade to white, pan downwards, and start with whatever funeral or ceremony this movie started with. THAT would be a fitting end to Black Panther and Chadwick Bose,man.

[@maddkiller]

Yo Angela at being over 60 and still built like that.... i had a crush on her as a kid, she still gorgeous, and still one of my all time favorite female actresses

[@JimTheAPE]

Gary a.k.a. Nerdrotic has it right as to why they keep changing the characters so much, I think. He basically says that if they change enough about the characters that they're adapting, they don't have to pay royalties to the estates of the original creators of said characters. I find that to be HIGHLY plausible. And if that's the case, then all of their virtue signaling about "diversity and inclusion" is, surprise surprise, a fucking lie. They're not bold and brave social justice warriors battling against systemic racism and cultural bigotry. They're money-grubbing cheapskates that make every decision, down to the last detail, based on how they can make the most money while spending the least. There is no genuine political ideology in these people, nor is there any creative passion or artistic vision. Some of the actors might have some, maybe a director here or there, but they will always be limited in how much they can show it because the people who REALLY make the decisions are studio executives in expensive suits and stuffy board rooms who have never had to do a hard day's labor in their entire lives and could not give less of a fuck about the comic books and cartoons that comprised our childhoods. The only thing they care about is their bottom line and THAT is why they turned Namor into Coo-Coo for Cocoa Puffs. It wasn't random, but it wasn't about being woke either. It was about stiffing Namor's original creators out of royalty checks. I'm pretty much convinced of it at this point.

[@DeathRex88]

Doesn't Universal still own the rights on Namor? I assumed this was all a "25% different" issue or something like it.

[@erikbihari3625]

Everybody sing it with me now:-"our world is about to break"...

[@erikgregory7311]

Great review, but my favorite part was the KZbin rant at the end. I'm sure KZbin will retaliate by de-boosting Thorias' content. That's how they play

[@vladpiranha]

I sometimes wonder if the overabundance of bland CG fights in the first film were created so that the ailing Boseman could be less involved with strenuous scenes.

[@JimRaptis]

Disney is celebrating right now! They’ve accomplished what they’ve wanted to do. The reactions from everyone who’s seen the movie and feel exactly how he does about it is what Disney was hoping to get out of it! Everything was intentional That took place in the movie.

[@Saidan79]

Props for being one of the very few who did not give this movie a glowing review simply 'cuz Black.

[@Ozymandias2x]

Thankfully, I was informed that, as a white person, I was literally banned from seeing this movie.

[@DeusNyx]

I wasn't sure if I saw this right, but did they really slap some water to open the shields?

[@Ashcroft1313]

That sht was silly as hell.

[@sleepykittyH]

@SockMonkey Gaming What are your thoughts on the movie?

[@cb-gz1vl]

Actually if you think about it like a combination on a lock then it makes a little sense. Someone would have to know the drums to open the shield.

[@cb-gz1vl]

@SockMonkey Gaming "its in their culture..."??? So do you also think they eat watermellon and fried chicken?

[@DeusNyx]

@@Ashcroft1313 I really did think this was a comedy... For wakanda to be an 'advanced' culture, they were very neanderthal in a lot of their instances, like they just could not evolve past using spears and shields...and slapping water.🤣🤣🤣

[@Bakagii]

one thing that bothers me abt the new black panther is that she was never a fighter nor does she ever had a fighting background to begin with. T'chala being prince is likely to be very well trained in combat since childhood hence when taking the power of the herb, its natural that he has such sick moves and combat experience. Gaining powers alone does not make you a fighting genius, its shown in civil war when cap gets the best of spidey who's stronger through sheer combat experience lmfao

[@Seadog7981]

Mr. Nimbus