Wakeboarding Behind a V-Drive Versus a Sterndrive

[@Jsf445]

"You will never have any fun, and you pretty much suck if you don't spend 120k on your boat" That's the message I got. I'll keep my 20 year old direct drive that's been paid for since the day I pulled it home. Guess I'll just suffer through in ignorance.

[@titushowald3099]

I know right

[@titushowald3099]

Same

[@seahorsecowboys]

V-drive $120k,.. avg stern drive run about $30k....Guess he forgot that in his sales pitch ....

[@MrDrummerboy1800]

YT Superfilms There are plenty V-drive boats way under 100k ...

[@200money2]

Mb f21 great boat well under 100k around 40

[@jeffbryner5355]

seahorsecowboys bahahaha!!! i was just fixing to saying that and saw your comment lol I AGREE!!

[@Extralives007]

hey lets cross the lake in my stern drive. or we can just hang out in one cove in your super swamper

[@TheStephenspann27]

If the only thing you are going to use your boat for is wakeboarding, and in water where your draft isn't an issue, sure a V drive is great. They pretty well suck at everything else when compared to a sterndrive. Like.... controlling the boat in reverse, top speed, fuel economy, being able to survive hitting a stump or beaching.

[@patjohn775]

They are better for sports. All sports. And they are safer for children. Stern drives are nice if you are retired and like to putz around the lake

[@theman6760]

Pat John They are also 10 times more expensive

[@vic1sch]

@@patjohn775now thats funny. I'll put my sterndrive up against any wakeboard boat and see who wins the putzing contest.

[@Spineshot25]

Ha, "The boat plains out faster" it doesn't plain out at all, it's plowing water the whole time, that's why it's got such a huge fucking wake.

[@mountainbikingwithmatt6310]

Exactly...

[@windowsvistasuxalot]

I face planted behind a 130K Tige last week and behind a 5k Personal Watercraft this week. Hurt the same on both crashes. Wake to wake was much more fun behind the Tige. But I had helluva fun behind both.

[@Apollo-eb9ok]

2 words.... Sponsored video

[@christophergregg196]

Bayliner had the drive trimmed up while trying to plane! False advertising boating mag!

[@jhurley12]

Christopher Gregg a lot of those boats need to be trimmed up when they start planing off to get more of the hull out of the water, then halfway through, trim down. Nice try though.

[@shayanbenammar416]

agreed

[@shayanbenammar416]

@@jhurley12 no

[@jhurley12]

Shayan Ben Ammar lmao, uhhh YES.. dumbass. NEXT

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@@jhurley12 Actually he's right! Idiot. You are supposed to have the trim completely down when starting off, then you trim the boat A LITTLE. Not like in the vid where they went over halfway up on the trim when starting. In addition, they chose a ~18' Bayliner which is always going to pitch up when starting because it's short. It's completely unfair to compare the Bayliner to a longer Malibu of some description.

[@clubmalibro6455]

lol i ride behind an out board

[@Seth.burnz08]

Same

[@dtm8315]

Same lol

[@J_M3444]

Lmao same. Behind a pontoon. I wakeboard the shit out of it idc

[@sledneck_149]

Haha that what I used to have to do yo

[@ipfreely1281]

I wake boarded behind a Jet Ski for years V drives are nice but not absolutely necessary

[@Qbhoy79]

Was a bit of an unfair planing test with the out drive trimmed right up....!

[@jhurley12]

Q a lot of those boats need to start planing off with the trim up, to get more of the hull out of the water, then trim down.

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@@jhurley12 Actually he's right! You are supposed to have the trim completely down when starting off, then you trim the boat A LITTLE. Not like in the vid where they went over halfway up on the trim when starting. In addition, they chose a ~18' Bayliner which is always going to pitch up when starting because it's short. It's completely unfair to compare the Bayliner to a longer Malibu of some description.

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@Q You are completely right!

[@MykelDH]

Don't forget when the storm rolls in and fills up your boat and you capsize or sink your $120k boat

[@reidjordan4545]

That’s just a boat problem m8

[@wizard-kk9bc]

He acts as if people in a stern drive just can’t turn off the engine while people get in the boat and that you can’t evenly distribute the weight to prevent the boat from rising

[@KortNatali]

lets find a shitty $1500 sterndrive and compair it to a 100k boat lolol

[@reidjordan4545]

I own a V-Drive boat and I love wakeboarding behind it rather than an outboard, but they act like it’s the greatest boat ever, they aren’t. They’re a wakeboarders dream and that’s it, that’s really all they offer

[@viperfanatic13]

Because apparently every stern drive is a 16 foot v6 Bayliner. Lol. My stern drive puts out just as good if a wake as a 100k v drive for 10k

[@nathanielhaut2796]

What boat do you have?

[@viperfanatic13]

+Nathaniel Haut 91 celebrity 230cc

[@zacktaylor6868]

What kind of stern drive do you have

[@treyperry9722]

No it doesn't. You've clearly never ridden behind a wakeboarding boat.

[@willionaire30]

Trey Perry lol I have a 99 chaparral which is a V-drive, and also a 2016 Malibu 23 vlx. The wake on the chap is very large and clean, perfect for wakeboarding. I've wakeboarded my whole life and I prefer either boat. I speak of experience bro, which you don't seem to have much

[@paulchen508]

V Drive more Powerfull ? Depending on the engine you put in.

[@DustyBoi843]

What about the new Bryant 233surf edition with the volvo reverse prop? can it hold its own with the v drives for wakeboarding and surfing?

[@roncook8566]

Did they think we wouldn't notice that the stern drive was trimmed way up when comparing bow rise? Bow rise is the same, throttle control is the same and you obviously don't have the boat running and in gear when you got someone in the water off the stern. V drives have one advantage, their wake is more suited for water sports. You decide if it's worth the extra 50k

[@jhurley12]

Ron Cook a lot of those boats need to start planing off with the trim up to get more of the hull out of the water, then halfway through, trim down..

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@@jhurley12 Actually he's right! You are supposed to have the trim completely down when starting off, then you trim the boat A LITTLE. Not like in the vid where they went over halfway up on the trim when starting. In addition, they chose a ~18' Bayliner which is always going to pitch up when starting because it's short. It's completely unfair to compare the Bayliner to a longer Malibu of some description. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT.

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@Ron Cook You ar very right!

[@danjones6872]

This message brought to you by Malibu. Honestly inboards are expensive. I bought a 13 year old v drive last year for over market, but mostly to surf safely. After almost landing on by buddies stern drive prop earlier that summer, I decided if I or my kids were to ever surf, v drive was the way to go. That, and I can pretend to be a big shot with my used boat that cost the same as a used runabout. But hey, if you are just learning to wakeboard (not surf), Just get a boat and get out there. you can wakeboard behind a friggin jet ski if you want.

[@garrettpeterson9816]

So you and your friends used to wake surf behind the stern drive?

[@jshoop30]

Biased! I'd take a stern drive with a fin and surf wedge over a v drive for the following reasons: -Late 90's and newer stern drives have extended planes and decks that cover the out drive -Stern drives sit about 15" lower in the water than a v - drive prop -Stern drives act as a power wedge when slightly trimmed up - this pushes the boat lower into the water, displacing more surf wake while also rolling a larger wave behind the boat -Stern drives can throttle the bow up to clear waves/rough water -Stern drives turn and maneuver much faster, which reduces cycle times, which leads to more time surfing -Stern drives are plentiful and significantly cheaper than v drive boats -Stern drives also come with powerful engines. My 19' Sea Ray has a 350, which is plenty of power for a 19' boat -I can create a smooth, sizeable, wake board wake by moving weight 2/3 to the front and slightly raising the trim

[@jhurley12]

jshoop30 trim up does not put more of the hull in the water.. it picks up the nose, taking more of the hull OUT of the water..

[@vic1sch]

@@jhurley12 pushing the stern of the boat deeper into the water unless it is on full plane and traveling fast enough to provide lift to the stern.

[@murraycrow3656]

Wake boats are really, really good at spoiling everyone elses day on the river/lake due to the wakes they create.

[@jshoop30]

This vid is such a spin. Malibu, MasterCraft, (Ski) Natique all have their roots in slalom ski boats designed to make no wake. Sterndrives are better at everything and shape an amazing wake with little ballast

[@charlesbeland9940]

i love my seadoo wake 210, safe for kids and big enough wave for me and my beginner friends

[@YINONhadar]

No question that today’s wake specific boats are the thing however with the right setup you can to a degree have a decent performance out of a stern drive. Our Bayliner flight series got the tower, has no list when towing a100kg person, through a two feet wake and with a home built wake shaper gives a smooth long wave for surfing. If you get a$30k boat you may need to add another $10k to set it for wakeboarding (swim platform to distance the prop, wake tower, ballast, 5 blade prop for max torque etc) Enjoy your time in the water and be safe.

[@garrettpeterson9816]

What's the deal with Max torque? And also how do you make a homemade wake shaper? Sounds awesome!

[@d4rtymontana326]

I think he forgot not everyone has 100k in there bank

[@keelangerken5154]

That moment a professional hydroslider with wake boarding sons sells his brand new centurion v drive for an old big block formula because he says it has such a larger, smoother, and cleaner wake...

[@rigmechanic]

sterndrives actually plane faster with less bow rise because you can trim drive down

[@jhurley12]

In what universe?

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@@jhurley12 In every universe!

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@@jhurley12 You have to trim the boat done when starting to prevent the bow from rising, and to prevent propeller ventilation.

[@TeachAManToAngle]

... brought to you by Malibu Boats (but they are right. I have a stern drive and would love to be behind a v drive again someday).

[@EngageTheCrowdPlymouth]

how about all the props you gotta damage with no trim lol

[@matthewbarymow4402]

LOL Sooo right!!

[@danjones6872]

How deep are the lakes you are in?

[@reality-cheque]

I have an 8m boat with 5.7L VP stern drive and the last 1m of the boat is a ‘swim platform’. Also, the transom is set back into the boat so the prop is a long way from the actual back of the boat - in fact it’s probably as far back as a V drive. Also, by adjusting the trim I can get a huge wake or a very flat wake so good for wake boarding AND skiing. Also, I can lift the drive and navigate shallow water and beaches with no issues. Also, the exhaust exits under water so it’s quiet Also, the stern drive has duo-props so the traction is excellent Also, reversing is easy because the prop pulls the boat - no rudder! Also, the engine and drive sit at the back of the boat so there’s more room in the boat This guy is talking rubbish. Stern drives are superior to V drives in every practical respect.

[@garrettpeterson9816]

My boat I think is set up similarly. We have a built-in integrated swim platform and the extended plane where the Stern drive is set into the boat more. Basically the sun platform does cover the prop. Wondering how dangerous it is to wake surf back there. Are there many instances where you get that close to the boat? I could put on an additional swim platform that just covers behind the prop even more.... Then if you ever got too close you would land on that. First things first though, can I even make a servable wake lol. I've got a huge ski locker I'm thinking of throwing a thousand pound ballast in and checking it out. No surf gates though...

[@southernprojectsyt6340]

they make swim decks for stern drive as well as under and behind hull for keeping the boat level. so that negates your v-drive concept.

[@dronexfun8469]

What v-drive? I saw an i/o and a straight/direct drive. Maybe I missed something.

[@jhurley12]

DroneXFun all the Malibu boats in this vid were V drive.. direct drive has the engine placed in the center of the hull, not the rear.

[@eli_reyes1785]

what if we can't afford a v drive

[@BrettWae]

I love our waverunner. To each their own.

[@MrBrad-rf3gh]

love my 07 centurian v drive $35,000

[@thatonedude8969]

Um I have a 1996 rienell 2400 (24ft) rxl with a Volvo penta 7.4 and u can pull my dad on a slolem ski just fine

[@jshoop30]

Stern drives have pitch control and directional thrust, and the stern drive itself acts as a massive rudder. Try flying a plane with only tail rudder control. That's what a v-drive boat is

[@manuelatallah7127]

This was a terrible video.

[@GregGolightly]

It really is awful. I am a huge fan of inboards and v drives . . . but this video is utter junk.

[@007habit]

New to the speed boat game. It was ok kinda for me

[@matthewbarymow4402]

@@007habit If only you knew how many things s they got wrong... ;(

[@aly359]

Awesome, im selling my stern drive boat and buying a $ 130,000 vdrive boat. i can afford 2,500 a month payments. I will experience the difference it makes for a month or two till they repo the boat. V-drive boats are a waste of month do to the high mark up for the cheap items installed. my friend has a 90,000 super nat. and i work more on that do to cheap plastic sh#$ breaking then any other boat. make them pretty for the customer and screw them on parts that break they dont see.

[@Fordry]

Bow rise isn't really that big of an issue for safety. Just pay attention, which you're supposed to doing anyway. Also, inboards get less bow rise primarily because of the angle of the prop, not its location. The prop isn't particularly dangerous as long as you always turn off the motor when anyone is close back there which, again, should be done anyway with any boat including inboards. Inboards DO NOT get better fuel economy than I/Os. The prop angle reduces efficiency. All things equal, the I/O will always get better fuel economy. The comments about vdrives having more features for wakeboarding... well, ya, maybe oem, but even then plenty of I/Os come with towers and even some with ballast systems and any of that stuff can be added aftermarket. And it will still cost less. What even is this video? So much straight up wrong info. This sounds like someone pushing V-Drives and hitting any point they think they can get away with no matter what. And the fact that a major industry publication has put this out? I mean, what?

[@chriswilson20033]

They have the stern drive trimmed up way to high for the bow rise demonstration, there just shitting on stern drives for no reason

[@joelrepass2379]

I wakeboard behind a ski boat. I may cheat a little because it has ballast and I'm still more of a skier.

[@helloby791]

Direct drives aren't just v drives. Also not all inboards are expensive it's the companies that build them make them overpriced and the average person can't afford one. Also people you can buy a used wake boat a few years old for literally half price and still looks new.

[@gagegr]

Well the Malibu boats used in the example don't depreciate much. A 2005 Malibu VLX is selling used around 35k and was about 50k new. That's an 11 year old boat. Honestly though you don't neccecarily need a V drive. A direct drive inboard from any major manufacturer like Malibu, Nautique and Mastercraft will give you all of the benefits in the video and they are affordable. Because they use V-8 engines and are built like tanks (no wood anywhere from mid 90's on) they are a great used buy and preferable to an I/O in the same price range. All you really need is perfect pass and an inboard boat plus some fat sacs to get up to intermediate level wakeboarding. Once you start pulling a handful of inverts the V-drives are nice, and to be honest the best reason for buying a V-drive is the spaciousness of the interior.

[@Kapustomyl]

Cheapest 4 cylinder bayliner with stock prop and trim pointed into the skies is worse hmm hmm what a twist.. you don`t even need this certainly badass dude to find out..

[@lbtt295]

If the boat is used 10 times in one year that equals,$ 1k , per day for use if used for 10 years

[@sxshethean3069]

What about a Cobalt Wss

[@BoatingMagazine]

www.boatingmag.com/cobalt-r5-wss-wakesurf-review/

[@johnbishop1911]

An old school V drive with a blown big block would be ok I guess 😁

[@ilovechicken670]

Would if u can't afford a wakeboard boat

[@doncarlo5]

it's a matter of money ... how much you can, or you do want to spend on a boat ? That's why most of the people on this planet choose to go with stern drive ...

[@richardcrossjr4844]

gimme a break. why not use a cheap POS stern drive for your gay bash on stern drives!! and maybe you should check your video from the side when your inboard aims for the sky! check out at 1:16 in. sure your driver can see in that line of sight. and hey guess what. there putting seat bolster in all new v drives now so YOU can see over YOUR bow! oh wait... adjustable out drive and trim tabs... what are those??? and I'm sure I can fall into my props three feet back and four feet down from the swim platform to....and far as wakeboard wake?? you really need to get out a little

[@davindelaunay8456]

Dude wtf are you talking about. Wakeboats are made for wakeboarding and surfing, that's what they're based around. The wakes are night and day between stern drives and a v drive. Let's see you surf behind a stern drive.

[@jeffbennett8093]

Gotta love that they compared a bayliner with a 80 thousand dollars boat.

[@MRJK87.]

Triggered

[@JordanKoolVlog]

Nobody can afford these boats!

[@stephtraveler7378]

Wakeboarding is a dying sport. Knee surgeries on nearly every professional... You're $120k boat will soon be relegated to pulling tubes on a ski rope... Which you can do with any sterndrive or outboard for a fraction of the cost. Plus, the stern and outboard boats are more versatile without a huge engine cover sitting in the middle of the boat. Same issue Natique had 50 years ago.... still exist today...

[@jshoop30]

And v drive prop shaft angles upward to lift the boat with thrust while ballast pushes it down. Kinda like pushing the brake & gas at the same time.

[@alexcraig7911]

I have no idea if wakeboarding is a dying sport or not, though I doubt it is. However, the sport that IS growing at an unbelievable rate is wake surfing - which also requires an inboard wakeboat. (not an outboard or I/O) I can't think of a single wakeboat that has the engine in the middle of the boat. My guess is that you're mistakenly thinking of a ski boat. Those were common 20+ years ago, but you don't see many around anymore - and more importantly that's not the type of boat that this video is referencing.

[@garrettpeterson9816]

Wakeboarding is definitely a dying sport, wake surfing is the new rave. I just bought a boat for a wakeboarding and wish I could have found one for wake surfing. Although I might consider making this awake surf boat even though it's a stern drive. It has a extended plane hull, and a built-in swim platform so already the prop is under the swim platform. If I got an extended swim platform on top of that then it would be even better than a v drive for safety concern. I have room for a giant ballast in a huge ski locker. The capacity plate says 12 persons or 1650 lb. So I can probably get away with close to 1,000 lb ballast. But then there's the whole thing about a surf gate or a wake shaper. Would be nice if it already had all that stuff. But I got a 2017 with 50 hours on it with a really nice wake tower and super clean of course, for $32,500. For the same price I'd be getting a 2002 to 2005 with 350 to 600 hours. That's definitely still a great value in comparison. We will see how it goes 😀👌

[@aidans_invasion]

If you get a vdrive get a xstar

[@cjrush22able]

dont drive when someone is behind the boat...

[@Fury5.010r]

Safety....get over the stern drive lower unit being unsafe for skiers/wakeboarders. So sick of hearing that story.

[@sneeds_feed_andseed]

I just got a brand new V drive for 60K. Obviously most of you can't afford a top of the line wakeboarding boat, so don't get a top of the line one. There are plenty of V drive boats for sale that are used and cheap

[@fiddynutz68]

Patrick Jadwin Haha 60k still isn't a cheap boat. The wakeboard boat business is a penis measuring contest.

[@guitaristwagner]

You can get a used moomba in the 30’s.

[@ltownandfriends4531]

i wonder how much privilege will start oozing out of this guy when he compares v drives to outboards

[@patjohn775]

Stern drive boats also depreciate to almost nothing where direct drives stop depreciating at 5-10k I have a stern drive, full outboard and direct drive. The direct drive is a better boat as far as cost of ownership and repair. Outboard is convenient and quick. Stern drive is just stuck between. Not useful.

[@cg7208channel]

Android phone number 1234567890

[@vic1sch]

I'm really trying to figure out the usefulness or real purpose of this video. It's like comparing a rock crawler to a 4 wheel drive truck. I guess I should say thank you captain obvious.

[@BoatingMagazine]

Everyone's a beginner at some time cap. Many boaters have never wakeboarded at all; many people have yet to buy a boat.

[@vic1sch]

@@BoatingMagazine yes both statements are true. Again I don't see the relevance. I have had a stern drive for 25 years. Same boat. My kids have skied, knee boarded, wakeboarded and been pulled on a variety of tubes. As they have gotten older they have friends that have specialty boats. One of my daughters has friends that are deep into slalom skiing on courses. They have even invested on membership to a man made lake designed for slalom skiing. She will be the first to tell you that the pull and consistency of her friends boat is different than mine. Her along with her twin sister and my youngest son have gone out with friends wakeboarding on a wakeboard boat. My son was able to do his first back flip on a wakeboard because of the tower. All of my kids are grown and many have kids of their own. They are still competitive with each other and their kids are learning to ski and wakeboard as well behind my sterndrive. The first and last runs of the day are for me to open up my supper charged 454 and see how fast I can get her going for the conditions on the lake at the time. It has also been a great boat to cruise to different locations on lake Powell and flaming gorge cruising at 40-50 mph at 2600-3200 rpm. Or just opening up the captain's call exhaust and running 70-80 mph just for the hell of it. Try that on a v-drive wakeboard boat. My boat is not a wakeboard boat, it's not a flat bottom, dry header, speed boat, it's not a surf boat. It's just an all around fun boat. With all of the boats my kids have been on my oldest son wants a jet boat, and my youngest son wants a tritoon or a deck boat. Again back to my original statement I really don't understand the purpose of the video. A wakeboard boat SHOULD be the be all and end all boat for wakeboarding. But having a set of ping, taylormade or mizuno clubs won't improve your golf game without practice. The same can be said for wakeboard boats. Most people that try wakeboarding will not make a career out of it. For most boats are a way to get family and friends together.

[@BoatingMagazine]

@@vic1sch Gotcha. We're saying a beginner at watersports or a new boater may lack that experience that you have and so, a video such as this one may provide a basis, or beginning, for understanding.

[@vic1sch]

@@BoatingMagazine I guess if you say so. Seems to me you are pushing sales of a particular type of boat.

[@Albin_Evald]

i call bullshit

[@rileypenner3578]

Sorry bud but I’m much cooler in my classy 1980 Glastron Carlson cvx18 then you and your way to expensive mastercraft

[@tnsteele95]

Most annoying, obtrusive, and destructive boats on the water. Hands down...

[@danb1826]

These dumb boats are an epedemic on lakes. They just plow water at low speed and never even get up on plane. My 1996 19' Chaparral with a 5.7 V8 STERNDRIVE can smoke one of these 100k waste of money boats in a race.

[@guitaristwagner]

Dan B no shit genius. They’re designed for plowing through water. Not racing each other.

[@DustyBoi843]

What about the new Bryant 233surf edition with the volvo reverse prop? can it hold its own with the v drives for wakeboarding and surfing?