Wales Fall To The Wallabies - Welsh Rugby Reaction

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

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[@TrezenEN]

Tompkins got fucking skinned on the outside. Why can't we try Kieran Williams with Grady on his outside? We need some dynamism in the centres. I thought that 1-10 were decent, although we are missing Jac Morgan and really need him back in the team. Dewi really needs to sort his lineout-throwing, and he was unfortunate to drop the ball a couple times, but he was physical and just needs some game time under his belt in my opinion. Hathaway has potential and I believe will settle into that role well. I thought that Wales could have won that game. Wainright was almost through for a try, and our disallowed try was really what handed Australia the win. In my opinion, Wales will win the second test by around 10 points.

[@xxwales15xx33]

Each game I tell myself I won't be as disappointed as last time, but I keep proving myself wrong watching Wales. Where do we start? Lineout's, scrums, unforced errors, no attacking threat whatsoever? List goes on. But my main concern is with the coaching staff? 8 games in now and we don't look any different nor seem to have built any momentum, Gatland has got to start taking responsibility and change things as we were still awful to be brutally honest. The England and All Blacks match was a massive difference and look how far the English have progressed in a few short months. Either side would comprehensively beat us and the excuses we're putting out are very quickly getting old. Hard to say where do we go from here.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah agree with everything you say really and as you pointed out. The coaching staff are proving that they haven’t been able to impact the results on the field and Schmidt managed to give Australia a bit of directing in just 4 training sessions. Make you wonder doesn’t it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@yddraigoch]

yes let's start with Humphreys - bring back McBryde - to be honest let's start again with a whole new WRU, they've been killing the game here since the 1980's/90's. I just wasted £26 on a now tv/sky subscription - will never learn bois bach 😞

[@xxwales15xx33]

​@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Just wish us fans would be given an explanation as to why these choices are made by the coaches? I still don't understand how only 3 Ospreys players have made the cut when they've been the best team in Wales by a distance.

[@lighteningrod36]

Have faith wales, young lads waiting to get that break to build confidence. Australia is rebuilding like you, we have to have faith in the desire to represent your country, it will come. It’s about learning and reflection

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

It’s not the players that I worry about it’s the lack of a clear game plan or ideas to breakdown the defences by the coaching staff. They just seems like no bright ideas coming out of that group.

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

Hi Christian, to me this was like an old Wales v Australia game from years ago when we played and lost by 1 to 6 points it was a neck and neck game till we got to the 65-70 mins and Australia just took it and walked away with a 9 point win. To be honest I thought this game could have gone our way, Australia were not at there best but enough to beat us and I thought they could have scored more towards the end of the game. Gut about Christ Tshiunza try denied but that's the rules. Lets move on and learn from this game, good luck for next Saturday. Not in the pub watching the game I forgot what time it stared so it was a sausage buttie and a coffee. Catch you soon mate Take care

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Sounds like a perfect way to watch a game mate 👌🏼😂 Yeah you’re right. Similar to the old games but same result even though Australia were nowhere near there best

[@paulhowells9650]

Wainwright is a British lion cert . Thomas was steady without being dynamic . The centre partnership is awful. Hathaway’s loose kicking was concerning .

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah agree with everything you said. I think bar the kick Hathaway was solid

[@RRTNZ]

Some positives. Thomas decent at 10 much moreso than Costelow, Wainwright many strong carries. Some negatives: lots of errors in the first half, our scrum outmatched by the Aussies. Ordinarily I don't blame the ref, but I struggle to see the obstruction that invalidated our try. Ah well, on to next week. Cymru am byth.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Weird reading a message from you in English 😂 Yeah Waino was class again I disagree though I think Costelow improved things when he came on Yeah the diss aloud try was a bit harsh even as a neutral

[@RRTNZ]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast Sori ! Ro'n i mewn frys. Fy Gymraeg fi yw gweddol, ond ddim yn rhugl. Gwyliais i y gem yn y Dafarn Cymreig ( yn Wellington, prifddinas Seland Newydd) gyda rhai o cymry arall. Roedd Wainright ein chwaraewr cryfaf, roedd Thomas solid gyda ei ciciau e. Rhy camgymeriadau yn hanner y cyntaf. Efallai byddwn ni'n chwarae'n well y tro nesa....gobeithio!

[@robday3968]

I don't watch as much club rugby as I used to, and I'm just wondering are any of the regions playing the type of rugby you would like to see the National side playing? If there is, are you able to explain how they are achieving this? Is it different players, better coaching staff, less pressure, or a combination of all these things?

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Well Cardiff play a nice brand of rugby where they manage to get the ball wide and make breaks ect it’s just they’ve been very bad at converting their chances and only won 4 games all year so I can’t say it was successful 😂 The ospreys have been winning by a dominant pack especially the scum and that aloud them to play a bit more as the season ran down and they started needing bonus points I think coaching is the main thing. It seams like Booth knows the teams identity and how they want to play and it seams as the players are all on the same page too. Make you of corse wonder why there aren’t more ospreys in the team especially the front row one Smith Parry(we know why) and Botha? Dominant scrum at URC level but not getting selected 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@robday3968]

​@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Hmmm, OK. Gatland cant become a bad coach over night, but I think his stubbornness in not even looking at some players could be really hurting us. I know this is totally different gravy, but the way in which the U20's are playing at the moment seems totally different. They appear to be playing on feeling and instinct, rather than structure, and it is so good to watch. Structure goes out the window when you can't win a lineout - a problem Wales have had since I started watching Wales when Chris Wyatt was in the second row. Never seen you so dejected.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah, it’s hard to keep putting a positive spin on things and what is really getting me down as I’m seeing no progress at all and it’s just a bit frustrating. I’ll continue to watch and support the boys though until it eventually turns around🙏🏼😬

[@Sourdust]

Realistically this was likely our best chance of a win before the next 6N, and we never looked like winning it. It was a poor match between two poor teams, but there was no arguing who deserved to win. I think I'd rather watch reset scrums that watch us attack at the moment... Yes there were individual positives again but they are ringing hollow now, there's only one positive that counts when you haven't won a game all year. As you say, we only have one trick, and we're not great at even that. We pick a crash-ball #12 and then give all the second passes to #8 and #2. I think if I understood what we were trying to do, I'd have more patience with our failure to do it.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah agreed. Not sure why then hit Waino up every set play but there was no deception. Not really sure what the plan is moving forward 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Keizer_Soze]

someone, please help me with the correct pronunciation of costelow: 1. cos - tell - o or; 2. costuh - low? i ask because ive heard people go with both 1 or 2. (in my mind 2 makes more sense, because 1 just sounds too italian for a welsh dude? but maybe his dad's italian? but the spelling leans more towards 2? yeh yeh, i know, its not really important...but im still curious! 😁 )

[@robhudson3511]

@Keizer_Soze I'm sure I've heard him interviewed, and it's actually the first one. The English media always use the second one though. But the English media always say re-FELL whereas as far as he's concerned its actually REFF-el

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I’m not hundred percent sure, but I always see the first one I think. As in Elvis Costello. 😂

[@Keizer_Soze]

thanks gents! guess i was wrong 😊

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I’m not saying I’m 100% right though 😂😬

[@Keizer_Soze]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast , 😆 my god, we're all useless! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@alfieb30]

Team I would like to see for next week 1.Thomas 2.Lake (C) 3.Griffin 4.Tsinzua 5.Jenkins 6.Wainwright 7.Reffel 8.Martin 9.Bevan 10.Thomas 11.Hathaway 12.James 13.Grady 14.Grace 15.Williams I know players like Martin,James and Grace are untested but with Martin it gives us more carrying options, James more raw power in the midfield and Grace a bit of X factor that we were sorely missing. As much of a poor performance that was I think with a steady lineout we could of won that game

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I like your team. Would bring winnet back in and out Liam on the wing and go with your centre combo. Maybe start Botham at 6 instead of Plumbtree?

[@alfieb30]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast don’t think Botham should play maybe on the bench again

[@alfieb30]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I think Mack just has the carrying and power which is something we need as wainwright seams to be our only carrying option

[@howardjones1180]

I agree with every pick here - exactly what I want to see. I posted nearly that exact line before today’s game.

[@keithcrane469]

A lot of Welsh public saying they want Gatland out. I hope Wales get back on top as soon as. From a Englishman

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Cheers mate. You guys were unlucky out in NZ

[@keithcrane469]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast we were but we still lost. Go well 👍

[@Camcolito]

Gats is not the problem though unfortunately.

[@samothemano]

The disappointment is strong so I’m struggling to see any positives from this game right now. Very disheartened. People keep using the excuse that they’re young lads who are being developed together but this squad has been together pretty much since September. And some of the new guys aren’t even that young. They’re like mid 20s. I feel sorry for Wainwright. He’s our best player By a country mile. He’s getting himself in the thick of it constantly because nobody else is prepared to take the ball on. Everyone is shying away. Gatland has obviously picked Grady at 12 to use as a crash ball centre but then they never give him the ball. I don’t rate Watkins. Our set piece is garbage. Wainwright saved us a lot of scrum penalties by being so quick to pick up the ball. I can see us losing next week and even losing to the reds. Then we have Fiji, Aus and SA in November and the blue teams away in the 6 nations. There’s a good chance that we will lose our next 10 games 😢

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

That’s a concerning future my friend Yeah there’s no excuses about youth now. That Australia team were just throw together with no experience and they looked streets ahead of us Totally agree about Waino. Every set okay they sent him up the middle with not decoys. It’s worrying. I think Howley is a poison influence in that squad I think

[@101MIGHTYJOE]

As an irish fan with no alliances to players or clubs i think wales need to play similar to japan, high-speed running rugby as u dont have a controlling ten or a pack that can even get parity. U have a few good young players but they are very few and none in ur most urgent need positions ie front row and outhalf

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah props and 10 are our biggest issue atm and then the coaching not playing to the players strengths is also becoming an issue. Hopefully things turn around this Saturday 😬

[@cro649]

Costellow 10, Thomas 12 and Watkin 13 for me. I'd have Grace and Grady on the wings with Liam at 15. 9 I'd probably stick with Bevan.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I’d like to see Costelow play too

[@cro649]

@TheWelshSportsPodcast The Costellow witch hunters are the same breed of person who hounded Owen Farrell for years and now find all the flaws and none of the positives with Marcus Smith. They are the same people who think Finn Russell is paid nearly a million quid a year to be good 50% liability 50% when in truth it's more 95/5%.

[@cro649]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Sam Costellow witch hunters, Farrell bashers, people who ignore Marcus Smith creating tries for fun but dwell on him missing a couple of kicks in one game, people who think Russell is paid circa a million quid to be 50/50 hot and cold. These types of rugby casuals are awful.

[@charliebaker2137]

Just to think, we could have Feyi Waboso and Joe Hawkins in the set up if we weren't so stubborn.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Very true. Not sure even they would help us the way things are at the moment 😂🤦‍♂️

[@Welshman1953]

We are where we are given retirement,injury and unavailability. Young guys learning the hard way which will hold them in good stead going forward also given the size of Wales as a nation compared to Australia it’s Australia who should be concerned going forward.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

This is true, but rugby isn’t particularly popular in Australia most kids play cricket NRL and Aussie rules ect. To be honest, I don’t really blame the players. They seem like they’re playing to the framework that they’ve been coached which is what really worries me.

[@lighteningrod36]

It's the smallest of the football (rugby style and Aussie Rules) in Australia. We have a smaller base then even NZ.

[@richarddykes8550]

Watched the England and Irish games and there was a noticeable difference

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Stark difference isn’t there

[@matthewharries5895]

The game plan is clear from wales. It’s Warrenball. But Warrenball only works when you have good discipline and your scrum is squeaky clean. Wales look good. They kick well and defend well. However, a few young players just make the wrong decisions at the wrong time and go away from the game plan. An example is the Tom Wright try. Josh Hathaway kicked the ball away from the chase this allowed the counter attack that led to the try. Tompkins probably should have tackled him but it’s Tompkins. The only option at the minute is to keep progressing with this group of players. They need to learn discipline and patience. They don’t have it yet.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah, you’re right about discipline and experience ect. I think it also boils down to we just don’t have the physical presence on the pitch to play Warren ball anymore and outside of that idea there’s nothing else and the coaches need to adapt to this because it’s clearly not working.

[@matthewharries5895]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I don’t think physicality is the problem. In 2018-2019 era wales won games even when they were getting outmuscled. And they managed to make it to number 1 in the world, grand slam and a semi final only just loosing to eventual champions South Africa. The game plan against Australia was working very well. The kicking was very good, defence was very good. Apart from the Hathaway kick that led to the wright try wales kicking game was very good. That’s what was keeping them in the game. The two massive killers are discipline and the scrum. If wales want to start winning games again. Those are the two things that needed to be sorted above all else. Experience is huge. When we look at the wales team in 2019. Look at the wealth of experience there was. Experience enough to know the game plan will work, you just have to stick to it. And when a mistake is made you have to recover from it. Wales at the moment lack the experience to stick to the game plan and the maturity to recover from a mistake. This will take some time. This is what Gatland was talking about “having to go through some more pain” Gatland knew we would loose a lot of games this year because the players need to learn. Everyone keeps talking about the attack. The attack isn’t as important as the other issues. Wales have never been an unbelievable attacking team but they have still won championships and been successful. They just need the patience to make territory and pressure and turn that into points.

[@mountainman9145]

Williams, Wainwright and Lake were the stand out performers for Wales. These three players could probably hold their positions in any other international side - the problem is you want at least another five more players of this class before you start posting wins on the scoreboard.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah and we’re nowhere near that yet 😂

[@jonathoncollins6861]

Can we finally agree Watkin and Tompkins aren't the answer and that Grady isn't a 12? 😭 The ref gave us nothing but we'll never win dropping the ball, kicking it out on the full, not catching any high balls, losing every scrum and line out and giving away pens constantly. Feeling very down about it all after that. Nothing seems to work, I don't see any solutions or plan and I wouldn't even know where to begin fixing it all. Might be time for a change at the top sadly.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

No solutions is what’s worrying me. Seams like there’s no plan to change things as it stands. Tompkins and Watkin need to be left out from now on I agree

[@howardjones1180]

Just watched the Scotland-Canada highlights. We should definitely have gone to Canada instead! 😂😂😂

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

😂😂😂 Still not a given atm 😂

[@howardjones1180]

Griffin was great. Hope we can stick with him. Best performance yet from Tshiunza. Great to see. Jenkins was good. Wainwright outstanding. Bevan looks really promising. Thomas did okay. No real adventure in his play. Needs to take the ball to the line, which he should be great at. Hathaway very mixed - loved how he got himself involved, but he made a lot of poor decisions. Need to get Grady to 13. And I still want to see Wainwright to 6, making space for Martin at 8.

[@robhudson3511]

Yeah I agree, defo Tshiunzas best game for us yet, and Griffin was outstanding around the park, especially considering he's not a starter at Bath. I'd really like to see Thomas and Grady in the centre.......but I'm not sure what that means at 10 cos I just think Costelow isn't ready for this level yet. Personally I like a dogged grafter who's a line out option at 6, and I think Wainwright is better as a carrier especially in the 15 mtr channels.........but backrow balance is alway a moot point. You can't fault the attitude of anyone on the pitch........but Lions Led By Donkeys I'm afraid.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

A few positive performances but the gamplan and player selection in worrying. To many players not playing in there natural spots

[@howardjones1180]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Completely agree. Selection and strategy are dreadful.

[@jpr3665]

Don’t understand why Gatland is still there

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

It will cost them to much money to get rid of him. We’re stuck for a few year no matter what I think

[@robhudson3511]

Has to be some of the worst, most utterly toothless naieve attacking play I've ever seen. That is not international standard AT ALL. It's impossible to overstate how ill prepared that Wallabies side was, but in the end I don't believe it was that difficult for them. You'd expect Australia to be given a decent rub of the green considering the financial investment in marketing Lions tours etc. but I thought we had nothing to complain about but our own ineptness. Gatland making excuses and being quite obnoxious towards Lauren Jenkins was difficult viewing for me. The sight of Alex King overtly excluded from the top table, while that legendary man manager Rob Howley was firmly ensconced in the butty zone, seemed indicative of serious cultural issues to me.........Sam Parrys'early self imposed exit speaks volumes.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah that interview was a sure sign over a man under pressure and maybe starting to crack? Your point about King is so true 😂 Him and Howley giggling to each other like kids and wales are just hanging on in a game. It’s just shocking

[@howardjones1180]

Spot on comments about the management. Feels really toxic.

[@cro649]

Who'd have guessed it. Joe Schmidt achieves more in a few days than Gatland is several months... Gatland out.

[@phildavies6020]

Nonsense!...He can only play with the players available to him. He’s proved that he’s a world class coach. Who would you replace him With? Pivac? Gareth Jenkins? The saying about a silk purse and a sow’s ear springs to mind.

[@cro649]

@phildavies6020 Phil you carry on sitting in Carmarthenshire with your red shirt on saying all this stuff. Let the sensible people have a conversation.

[@phildavies6020]

@@cro649 Good guess, but not good enough! Wrong side of the Loughor.

[@cro649]

@phildavies6020 1. You say he can only play the players he has available. Not true. He is choosing to ignore the best loosehead in Wales, the second best hooker, the best 8, the best tighthead etc etc. He's chosen to pick a bench of players who struggled at Welsh prem level recently when there are numerous Ospreys sitting around doing nothing. 2. Pivac and Jenkins - why would you mention them and not Kevin Bowering too? I'm talking about Franco Smith or someone of that ilk.

[@phildavies6020]

@@cro649 There were a few new faces in that Welsh team, so he’s not ignoring players. If he’s blooding and assessing players he’ll eventually get to sort out his best options. Have we seen the last of Taulupe Faletau? Jac Morgan? Adam Beard? Tomas Williams. You may have picked up in the commentary that we’ve not won there since 1969! The only one I believe that he’s ignoring and is on form is Rhys Carre and that’s over his ignoring the fitness/ weight issue. I mentioned Jenkins and Pivac because they proved to be abject failures and as for Bowring, well his attitude after every game was”We lost, but the boys enjoyed the game”. Alex Evans wasn’t much better, either.

[@robertbrawn2068]

Very poor tactics again from Garland,Holley and Humphries. Not a clue Wales looked as together as a bunch of lads from the park.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah strange considering they’ve had a bit of time as a squad now but it’s not seaming like it’s helping🤷🏻‍♂️

[@eazyollie9370]

Whilst Wales have no gainline dominance and whilst the set piece continues to get dismantled Wales won't be able to win test matches. Honestly no idea what the answer is. I do think you'll improve. Rowlands and Beard were badly missed. Be interesting when Wales can field Jenkins, Beard/Rowlands, Tshiunza, Morgan and Wainwright together, will improve massively I suspect. Costelow should just be playing every match, he needs to learn and despite him having poor performances he has never had one match with front foot ball to play with.

[@pauledwards7340]

We need dominant props

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah agreed about Costellow. Not sure heard and Rowlands will make that much of a difference with our situation at prop

[@DisAstra-qx9gq]

​@@pauledwards7340 Exactly. Imagine that pack but with melon n bomb at props 🤷‍♂️

[@WelahMan]

Funnily enough everything the fans said would happen happened… what is this selection. Some of these players aren’t even first choice for their club and we’re playing them in unfamiliar positions!?

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah seams like a strange one doesn’t it😬

[@huckscout5601]

Aussie fan here, welcome to our lives at the World Cup last year.

[@WelahMan]

@@huckscout5601 didn’t appreciate your suffering last year I’m very sorry

[@johnhanson5943]

Another loss - but I see some progress / development. A lot of building / development needed. No quick fixes.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I hope so mate. It’s hard to see many steps forward as things are at the moment

[@samuelhowell7364]

You have not won in Australia since 1969. Overseas player have been left out, this next team will be stronger with some nice powerful inclusions. Look out for the red headgear of Langi Gleeson (#960, Harbord Harlequins)

[@davidpearn2484]

Hathaway kicking to bloody loose.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

First cap though. You’re going to get that from a 20 year old learning the game 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@deanpike8376]

Grady couldn't get in my local team, rubbish. Regarding Canada, we couldn't do what Scotland done to them last night. The whole coaching setup is awful, from the top to the bottom. Gatland be gone by August, hopefully the rest of the hangers on as well.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I think that’s a little harsh on Grady. Yeah, he has a lot to learn, but I think there’s a lot of potential there. As for the coaching staff, I think largely they’ll be sticking around for awhile because the WRU has no money and if they sack him, they’re gonna have to pay him a massive severance package and unfortunately, I think that’s the main reason he’s going to be sticking around

[@deanpike8376]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Lot to learn, understatement of the year. He's shit

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

😂

[@DavidShort-q1d]

Well that went as expected to be honest Though it was closer than i thought it would be Wales still look totally clueless and struggle to get over the gain line B.Thomas was ok at fly half But still don't see the point of W.Gatland picking him there As come the Autumn he will have players like G.Anscome and C.Sheedy to chose from S.Costelow just isn't international class at this time Gatland must be using the tour just to see who of Wales talent can actually step up or at least has the potential to step up to test level So far the picking have been very sparse A very disappointing match to watch aswell As both teams where stop start and struggled for go forward ball and seemed to lack intensity Next week Gatland neds to play players in their preferred postilions

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah it’s just all a bit underwhelming isn’t it. I think you’re spot on about playing players in their best positions. He’s forcing players to do what he thinks is best for the team but the players just can manage it

[@StopTheRot]

Gats is about as modern as Rees-Mogg.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

😂😂😂

[@DisAstra-qx9gq]

Credit to archie for his 1st international start. Going up against slipper was always going to be a huge battle. He was outclassed in the scrum but his work around the field was decent. Tbf the Welsh pack isn't lacking quality, we are struggling with props but with 2027 being the goal. It's a good foundation to build on with such a small talent pool to select from. Players like faletau, Lydiate, tips, jac Morgan etc all unavailable. I love Dewi lake but his throw in is the weakest part of his game. Watkins and dyer seem less comfortable at this level the more they play. Something about grady I can't decide on. All the attributes of a world class player like sunny bill Williams but seems to have the mentality of gavin Henson. Seems like he's a few slices short of a full loaf As for the overall result, can we stop acting like we go there every year and give the aussies a pasting. Wales have only won 14 games out of 47.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I think it’s how poor the Aussies are atm is why there was an expectation Agree about griffin though. He put in a real good shift and no doubt his scrummaging will get better the more he plays

[@DisAstra-qx9gq]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast The same expectation that's been bringing football home since 1966 🤔 It's not a Wales side that's had 1 or 2 changes its literally a new 23 man side from the rwc with very experienced players missing.

[@Gruff55-v7v]

Crazy how Gatland has a front row seat to watch these underperforming players and still picks them. Things need to change, what he’s doing is clearly not working.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I found it weird that him and Howley were like naughty school kids laughing in the box where there coaching the team to fail 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@paulbeecham2856]

Gatland needs to go and we need to get rid off the 25 cap rule come on Wales

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah I agree. Not sure how much difference it would make at the current moment though 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@paulbeecham2856]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast let's be honest gatland is not picking the best Welsh players because he has had words with them he needs to grow up and pick the best Welsh players and I will name some of them later 😉

[@davidlee55]

​@@paulbeecham2856he can't pick Joe Hawkins thats it..... What's the 25 cap rule going to do.

[@paulbeecham2856]

@@davidlee55 well where do we start Gatland could pick Nicky Smith Rhys carre Moriarty Sam Davies will Rowlands. To name a few.

[@davidlee55]

@@paulbeecham2856 Nicky Smith is still eligible so is Moriarty and Rowlands

[@davidvaughan4480]

I thought Australia were really average but Wales were terrible.You go back in the scrum you lose your lineout you make I dont know how many individual errors ,there were no positives Im afraid.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah not many to pick from was there. Will it get better next week. I dunno🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jamesstevenson3279]

The answer to creativity is playing players that deserve it, eddie james at 12, ratti should be there, morgan morse and morris should be there, nicky smith should be there too. Its clearly the coaches at this point. One out percentage rugby, low risk play for points. It worked a few years back but rugby has moved on. Grady isnt a rugby player, hes an athlete who plays rugby. Hes no rugby brain and constantly bites in on D. These are all decisions made by the coaches. Look how long our lineout has been rubbish for and weve had 4 hookers and 10 2nd rows who all have 85% + lineout success at club level so clearly the coaching is causing that. I could go on but ill end with shmit having 4 training sessions with the Australian players and they show more structure in attack than our team who have had months together if you amalgamte the camps. #gatlandandcoout

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah you’re so right mate and as you say, the fact that they only had four sessions and still had more cohesion than we did points to only one thing. Coaching

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

These players cannot adapt to any situation, this tells me they are over drilled to approach a situation in one way and only one way. Nothing exemplifies this more than Hathaways choice to kick to Australia with a broken field of Welsh defenders. He was clearly TOLD to do this in this situation! These coaches are beyond clueless, or imo….are doing it on purpose.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah, I’m not really sure, but it’s not showing many signs of changing or improving, which is what’s really worrying for well fans

[@gallois3]

Maybe we should have gone to Canada instead …

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Still not a given 😂😂😂

[@garethdavies4515]

No shape again, a bit of shambles aye 👍

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

A bit directionless wasn’t it

[@garethdavies4515]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast yea to right at the moment a bit worrying at times, never mind we can’t sink no lower can we 😢 👍

[@fazeobama6606]

it shocks me how Tompkins continues to pull on a welsh jersey in a side that lacks creativity he is the most boring centre ever and isn't even consistent with the basics. gatland never seems to try anything exciting or logical in the backs and it is unbelievably frustrating.

[@DisAstra-qx9gq]

@fazeobama6606 There's a reason he's been saracens main 12 for over a decade 🤷‍♂️ Yes he got out paced for the try but a better kick from hathway wouldn't have left the chase with so much to do. Tbf, what was Watkins doing?? Didn't mark the try scorer or kellaway.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I don’t rate Tompkins either. Other than in the World Cup, he’s never produced the Saracens’s form for Wales.

[@jamesgill9223]

Scrap that stupid 25 cap rule, no rowlands, no jac Morgan, no Josh Adams, no Jarrod Evans no toby, no zammit, no bigger anymore, no Hawkins centre this team is in tatters so bad to see other teams grow and Wales going backwards

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah agreed. We seem like we’ve taken a step back over the last year

[@jamesgill9223]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast maybe just go all out put dyer on the bench get grace on see what he can do , keep contelow (I think he’s crap) on and move Ben Thomas 12 Grady 13 and keep Hathaway on for the experience not expecting much next week lol

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I’m really worried if we lose the next game because if we do, I don’t see where the next wind is going to come from?🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jamesgill9223]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast maybe it will come to such a point the WRU will be forced to change policy. When no one wants to watch their country no money will be made I guess.

[@thottobot7444]

Attack is the worse I’ve ever seen

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Seams like it’s regressing

[@olibedford]

There’s no innovation from Gatland at all. I feel we’re flogging a dead horse with Grady. I just don’t see a rugby player in him. Big guy who doesn’t hit the line at pace, no positional sense defensively. I’d rather try Thomas and James in the centres. Lake can’t throw so why not see if one of the props can? Try something new. Lake offers a lot but his throwing is bad and showing little improvement.

[@howardjones1180]

Could not disagree stronger on Grady. He’s being played out of position at 12. He’s got so much potential.

[@olibedford]

I think all this talk of his potential is a myth. Cardiff preferred playing a 38 year old at 13 to playing him there. I don’t see any nice running lines and think his defence is poor too. If he gets a run at 13 and does prove me wrong great news for Wales.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I think Grady still needs time. Cardiff played him a lot on the wing because we had bit wingers start of the year Lakes throwing has improved but I agree he had a bad day yesterday. Australia were good in the line out though

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

Fully agree, Grady is seriously overrated, his defence is virtually non existent, and he isn’t as powerful of a runner as his size would suggest.

[@gagada124]

I don't think its Gatland, its the players, you haven't got any, sorry!

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Fair 😂

[@robhudson3511]

It might help if the best players in their positions were picked.

[@gagada124]

@@robhudson3511 Agreed

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

Yeah I agree with that

[@isitwasit8756]

Its another hmmmm moment ?.what exactly is gats trying to achieve with wales play? Ive been watching the under 20s world cup games and its invredible the differance of how those boys look like a side with a plan who have been aggressive with direction and intensity.. speed of ball from contact really good with some good skills.. the way they came from behind against all blacks was very encouraging showing tenacity makjng the seniors today look like you say a team with no obvious plan .. its hard to think where do wales and gatland go from here ? A high quality attack coach is needed asap.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I think King was looking ok in the World Cup but since Howley is back it seams as though he’s been pushed to the side for Gats old mate 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@isitwasit8756]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast yeah i think youre right regarding howley.. when i look at ire eng scot attacking game we seem a bit clueless and very predictable..

[@clivesilver463]

Its very difficult watching Wales, they are trying hard but the balance is not there a few positives Christ was good and Archie, the rolling maul is Wales only weapon right now, but the hard truth is this the quality players are not there, we have no outstanding 10 12 13, a very important link, our game plan is predictable pods of forwards take it up recycle then out to the backs very often we don't gain ground we lose it, it ends with a turnover or loose kick straight back to the opposition, we are giving away to many penalties and losing the ball at vital times in the game. Any side playing like this will never win, where and what we do I just don't know, there are very few options In all honesty I cannot see where our next win will come from.

[@TheWelshSportsPodcast]

I know. It’s grim viewing. There’s no creativity or deception in the game plan and we don’t have the horses to just beat teams up anymore. If we don’t win next week we’re on for a hysterical run of losses I think 😬

[@clivesilver463]

@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Think you meant Historical run of losses, although hysterical might be right do we laugh or cry.