Walking The Stairs ZZZ vs Genshin Impact vs Honkai Starrail Vs Wuthering Waves

[@ongamech]

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[@nguyenngwn7757]

it's not possible to avoid feet noclipping into the stairs

[@california_wang8078]

zenless updated their stairs animation, go have a look

[@-z-9989]

Star rail one isnt even walking on stairs tho, them just levitate slowly 😂

[@Alex-UM7GTE]

Reminds me of the 3d era GTA

[@Zevvy14]

and still got 5/10 lmao

[@MrFern5]

Yeah it’s clearly just a ramp hit box with a stair texture over top

[@elina1271]

I love star rail but tbh 5/10 was to generous

[@sylvyboi]

​@@elina1271 i was gonna say this lol. perhaps a 3/10 or less. no effort whatsoever

[@beanssumang5560]

I wouldn't call wuthering waves have the best staircase walking animation... I mean, that look awkward even though their feet do really step on each step, but it just looks like skipping one step at a time.

[@atomotron]

Yeah, agreed. Its exactly the case of "technology over the art". Looks awful.

[@srdeku]

right? I thought he/she's gonna rate it the same as Genshin but WW wass slightly higher. kek. Rover taking the very first step started to look funny and then awkward. I think Genshin was ok specially with the upper half part (the bounce, etc.) and then WuWa almost did it right with the lower half (the actual stepping). With that I think they're both 7/10.

[@lisamarieschnee]

Calling it the best is another showcase on how wuwa glazers are completely blind to the mediocre quality of the game. No one bends their knee like how the characters do when they walk up stairs. Just look at how far the knee is from the body. 8/10 WTF?!?

[@ilovepengins]

they look like their legs are about to break

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

It's got better collision but lacks physics. For me ZZZ does it best.

[@zaindawood]

no way you gave wuwa 8\10 thier knees look like they could break at any seconed from going up the stairs bro 😭😭😭

[@hyomie2254]

bro is wuwa bias that why

[@ILoveAnimeFemboys]

Jinhsi especially 😭😭😭 leg crack every step 😭😭😭 I didn’t even notice these tho

[@asdfsdfsadfasdfsf]

yeah. the back also looks bad

[@Zenitsu633]

Fr 😭😭

[@TTen-schir53b9]

You guys are also biased towards the game you are supporting 😂

[@cherryjoonie006]

Genshins was okay. Honkai star rails characters didn't even looked like they are walking on stairs it looked like they are just walking on a straight path. Wuthering waves for some reason rover walking the stairs made me laugh tho it was okay okay. Z.Z.Z's was so far the best they were actually walking on stairs

[@atomotron]

In HSR, they just got lazy. Understandable: this game has been simplified in every way to maximize profits with as less effort as possible. In ZZZ, I feel like they wanted to make it better, but still made it look worse. The motion looks back-ass-wards, I don't know how to explain it: its like she lift the foot at the end of the motion instead of doing it in the beginning like people do when they walk stairs.

[@oreo0sama]

Tbf, the angle kinda favoured zzz.

[@Kindi001]

ah true, if only the angle same PoV

[@CsGalaxyID]

​@@atomotron Understandable. But still, its byfar the realistic looking one. WuWa got them goofy ahh leg actions. GI is acceptable. HSR has its character just float slowly (It feels more like walking on a ramp imo) I think a few tweaks in the motion loop and ZZZ should look a bit nicer

[@oreo0sama]

@@CsGalaxyID id say WuWa had the best,since it has proper collision and from the back(tpp) it looks good(but it does look real janky from the side), zzz had horrible clippings even with the favourable angle but had the best animation. Hsr non existent , genshins looks ok.

[@sofarsogood8680]

Wuwa's knees seems weirdly elongated . While ZZZ is the best

[@pizzavert4020]

The issue is that the stairs are way too big compared to the characters legs and feet

[@sweetproject6337]

He gave ww 8 But genshin 7 what?

[@deeptobhattacharyya3249]

@@sweetproject6337 Genshin glides over staircase, what do you expect

[@atomotron]

I would much prefer gliding over the stairs if it looks good. Take a notice: only in Genshin character bend a little when they start walking the stairs. In WuWa, they don't, and it looks really unnatural as the result. ZZZ tried to make it better, but it still looks worse than "fake-it-Genshin-style".

[@hoseki4031]

ZZZ feet still clips through the stair cases though, WuWa is "bouncy" but it has by far the best collision detection which is great for parkouring .

[@resplandent]

Bro the WuWa rank was pure bias, you can see it's clearly awkward.

[@shazamnegroid7379]

Its better than walking on wedges. I'd say WuWa is second place simply because ZZZ does it better.

[@SaraGon15]

@@shazamnegroid7379 how is better? look at how stiff the body is aside of the legs? look at the damn knees and those steps lmao not as bad as HSR but still bias as hell.

[@pontoancora]

​@@shazamnegroid7379man, the upper body is frozen, and the less stretch. Tell me, that's how you walk?

[@feelthunder123]

⁠@@shazamnegroid7379atleast in genshin the character model leans forward when climbing stairs though their feet are gliding but the overall posture is natural, as the guy above me said the upper body in wuwa is literally frozen Overall it doesn’t feel natural at all whatever way you try to look at it

[@shazamnegroid7379]

@@SaraGon15 Sorry for the long wait, I was muted yesterday for reasons I cannot disclose. That said. I do agree about Wuthering Wavings having stiff animations, however there is nothing wrong with the knees or those steps, its the engine that handles collision that makes it look stiff. As you can see, the legs try to attach themselves to each step, and that doesn't align with the speed of the character which in turn makes the character move up 2 steps at a time - the engine doesn't have much time to register the movement so it instantly snaps the leg on to the steps. On another note, I am not biased towards Wuthering Waves. In fact, it appears that the more I've played a game, the lower it is on my tierlist. Honkai Star Rail on the bottom, Genshit after, Wuthering Waves surprisingly second place despite not being able to play it with more than 2 fps and then zzz - a game I haven't even downloaded yet.

[@Daivd1111]

NO, Wuwa's movement is so unnatural, no upper body movement at all, even when their foot don't clip through stairs, they look like robots!!! 6/10

[@akasahi9315]

But this is talking about walking animation, the physics on registering what's underneath the model. In WuWa, they actually bounce and step over. You should try it on a similar stairs as what's shown on Genshin and HSR and it looks alot better. Idk why the video creator used the big stairs, but if you use the big stairs in Genshin, it looks worse

[@bruno_ist_mein_liebe]

1/10

[@StickzDev]

That's because WuWa isn't using a separate animation for stairs, neither is Genshin or any hoyoverse games. They just use inverse kinematics to make sure the feet are properly placed in each step. I just think you're hating on the game because of your bias.

[@OddC00kie9]

Who cares

[@owowhatsthis555]

legs for daysss, reminds me of cockroaches ngl

[@RafelAlva]

I feel like right now genshin looks the best. Their legs and body didnt move awkwardly, the leg dont randomly snap like wuwa and zzz. Althought sometimes it clipped through the stair, overall it looks nice and clean

[@hobobrojo]

Genshin feels animated most correct due to slight lean forward while going up, unlike WuWa and ZZZ which are basically vertical. Foot placement might be more accurate, but not the character's center of gravity.

[@Steir12]

@@hobobrojo Genshin stairs are probably just ramps in disguise hence awkward foot placement. Animation itself is pretty nice.

[@chiplienie]

Yeah in Genshin it looks like they’re actually pulling up their body when walking up

[@Ookami-08]

​​@@Steir12 I think the "ramp in disguise" applies more in HSR. In Genshin it's a stair but the animation was just for climbing a single type of stairs that's why the characters' feet clips through or that it doesn't have proper collision in each step.

[@Gyuujin]

same

[@user-rizelthebaka]

1:05 Excuse me what? Best animation so far? Are WuWa fans actually that blind, look at their Knees bro 💀

[@Starberry7]

They’re in love with the game and have a hate boner for Genshin.

[@user-rizelthebaka]

@@Starberry7 Bro istg WuWa is so fking Overrated and D-ridden. I never played genshin but i did play WuWa and quit it. Nothing too extraordinary tbh. Everything is quite similar to Genshin's and not only that they copied buncha stuffs from various games too. Like they never rly tried to change anything except the few combat mechanics lmao

[@Starberry7]

@@user-rizelthebaka it‘s overrated because it’s pretty much one of the only Anime Open World competitors to Genshin Impact and quite a few people have a hate boner for Genshin.

[@LadyRoeanna]

i genuinely think the only thing going for wuwa is gacha because that's the only thing that's better than genshin/hoyoverse imo. i had to quit wuwa because it didnt work on my computer or phone, but during the time i played it, the story just felt so similar to hsr. the beginning scene with that one lady (sorry idk her name) felt like kafka and trailblazer while the one with the cpr or something felt like trailblazer, dan heng, and march 7th 😭😭 I get it if maybe these are common themes in most games (especially the first one) but still, it wouldn't hurt to be more original. it's a post apocalyptic theme (iirc?), there's so many different things you can do story wise to separate it from genshin/hsr/even hi3, and it feels like their choosing not to. speaking of hi3, the combat system looks so similar. again, maybe it's a common theme, but still. i'd love a new gacha game with a totally different concept from things like hsr/hi3/genshin 😭😭 sorry for the yap session ☹☹

[@sshk1653]

They are trying to the stanky leg

[@f2pgames420]

Even though in genshin the feet doesnt land on steps or sometimes out of bounds, the animation is so smooth and it feels natural unlike in WW and ZZZ the bending of knees kinda weird and the spacing of steps in WW is huge comoared to others. HSR has its own way if waliking in stairs 😂😂😂

[@alwinchai9394]

This exactly

[@zekkekeipa6521]

It smooth because tghs animation is not only for stairs. Its used on many steep terrain slopes in the world to reflect how difficult for a character to climb.

[@coffeeenjoyer2847]

because wuwa put the thing exactly on the feet to parkour and stuff

[@2010ngojo]

The forward lean is what makes it look natural. How often do people walk up stairs with the backs straight up? That's where wuwa and zzz fails in my book. Hsr isn't even in the competition.

[@oh-noe]

@@coffeeenjoyer2847 it's called inverse kinematics and genshin has it as well, but for some reason it doesn't apply as harshly on the stairs, probably because they wanted it to be more flowy. You can see it in genshin if you climb around on stuff, and sometimes you can get very weird feet placements if you climb in tight spots, also if you stand on a very sloped edge you can see it easily

[@SpellboundSpectre]

Fun fact, the stair hitbox needs to be smooth for walking to be optimised, but the way the characters walk is different depending on the character so they bend and clip a little

[@Maruhodo]

genshin with its clipping issues looked fine to me cuz the secondary hand motion (the waving arms) looks good, it's like there's a weight to it. also the characters are looking up. i think it should be scored higher. HSR = 0/10. i think they dont have a special animation for stairs, just regular walking animation. holy that wuwa animation gave me nightmare.. it's good but somehow very wrong, like some sort of uncanny valley. if they would just lean a bit forward and it'd be perfect. belle slouch a bit so it helped alot with the animation. She looked down the steps, and also the bounce is very good.

[@atomotron]

In WuWa, they didn't bend the character, that's why the motion looks extremely unnatural. Overall, I feel like they just made the engine calculate the feet and knee position without any adjustment. Even in Skyrim it was done better, although the same idea, but they at least put some work in it. But it still looks awkward sometimes. In WuWa, it looks bad ALL the time.

[@Scarten22]

Wuwa has big steps, it would be better if the character didn't walk in a hurry

[@kostakonomi]

To truly see what the genshin stairs are capable of look the eula stair walking on the monster camp

[@neeevirus]

In wuwa it seems like only the feet are moving and everything else is stationary That and maybe the characters have a straight body pointing directly up instead of leaning which makes the center of gravity unbalanced (?)

[@chihaotran1568]

In wuwa the feet still phase through the stairs lol Also the animation is stiff af clearly biased rating lol 8/10 my a**

[@dominickrecana2335]

yeah lol. that upper body is so stiff, and the legs? 😂

[@bullettime1116]

both wuwa and genshin's climbing animation look like shit, hsr's is the worst of the four.

[@TenchaSen]

The ratings, in my opinion, are all too generous. Both Wuwa and Genshin look awkward af. The animation on genshin is very lively, while Wuwa is more practical, which I prefer. But it's kinda giving uncanny valley 🙃

[@Sfhjgds]

It's a bit better than genshin, so imo it's deserved

[@investor9653]

I prefer smooth and natural movement like genshin , even they don’t step accurately on the stair 😊

[@shazamnegroid7379]

100% animation, 0% stair climbing.

[@jyrl.0999]

WW: 80% Stair Climbing, 20% animation

[@pontoancora]

​@COSMOGCKE 0% animation. That legs are nightmare inducing

[@jyrl.0999]

@@pontoancora for real

[@angeldude101]

Star Rail: 0% animation, 0% stair climbing

[@Kyla8132]

I appreciate Genshin's posture leaning slightly forward though. The other 3 examples look so silly maintaining that 90 degree angle torso when their legs are going to town.

[@sirmeowmeow7319]

they are waking on a slope with stair skin for genshin

[@rickysudiantoro3363]

Yes, I noticed this too. Since we tend to lean forward while going upstairs, Genshin should be the most natural way here.

[@whisperviz1346]

Now you know why it's called Honkai Star Rail not Honkai Stair Rail 😂😂

[@khanhbachvan1554]

Bruh what😂

[@raiden8063]

We got Cyno over here.

[@whenyounutinhermouthandshe]

Delete your account.

[@lilartist9892]

Are you trying to win world-wide game for unfunny jokes?

[@pyrolipotsharbilt9918]

Aint no way he said WuWa walking up stars is the best💀

[@ilmssfml]

Glazing on another level

[@laskann]

Wuthering waves does not have walking upstairs animation. You can see that their upper bodies behave the same as if they were walking forward. The walking upstairs is handled entirely through inverse kinematics, which is not the same as bespoke animations. It's basically algorythm that forces their legs to raise to match the elevation of surface they are standing on. Which is why it looks kinda awkward. It's obviously better than nothing like HSR, but I wouldn't call it best. If anything, despite being less precise, genshin's upper body movement matches the legs better somehow... can't belive I am complimenting genshin.

[@yeeeze7461]

Yeah gen shin upperbody adjustment makes it seems better to me, and altho both legs seems weird sometines with genshin with its clip and wuthering waves with its leg reaching too far that it skips some steps, genshin still got my props for this

[@MJAY552]

there is nothing wrong about complimenting genshin.

[@eightyeight2379]

Objectively, of course, it's right to criticize and compliment a game to where it really lacks/shines. Take GI as an example, no matter how many people shit on it (gEnShin cOUld nEVeR, etc), it's still a great game with a solid playerbase of whopping 62M players logging in monthly

[@MJAY552]

@@eightyeight2379 Exactly. They dismiss the good things because of the bad things. No game is perfect anyway.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

On game said "the best *so far* " before they showed ZZZ

[@Ryu-r4w]

Why do people blindly hate on Genshin these days at least give credit where it is due. Genshin clearly had the best animation out of them all lol

[@thomas_the_cat]

genshin actually has the best one and more natural motions, aside from the feet missing the steps... wuwa looks like the characters' backs are too stiff, and the leg motions are a bit awkward ... hsr has the worst for sure because its basically normal walking animation

[@psyme-]

How do you walk up stairs? Rover: BIG STEPPY!

[@startea0412]

0:16 casually steping on air

[@vr4893]

Might be a bit biased toward wuwa there buddy.

[@akasahi9315]

He's being fair. The only reason why Genshin's look better is because the characters don't actually try to step over the stairs. Basically the geometry collision on Genshin stairs are just plain straight and inclined, like an uphill rather than actual stairs. If you take a look at Genshin's upper body, it doesn't move at all. You only get that illusion that it moves, but if you cover half of their body or your screen, you won't notice if they started walking on the stairs or riding an escalator

[@michealb8508]

@@akasahi9315 my guy blind af right here

[@vr4893]

@@michealb8508 no no he got a point. I mean he practically admitted it himself right? *"Genshin's look better"* and that's what we're rating here no? The overall *looks* . Can't seem to agree with your 2nd point though akasahi, they seem to be moving just fine on my end but...maybe that's just me.

[@user-ev1pe2pr7g]

womp womp

[@thepieofyourlife4799]

​@@vr4893 I tried covering half of it, which is a weird idea cause what's the point in covering half of the object when we're judging based on visuals. But he is wrong, it still does move.

[@Megoover]

Somehow WuWa looks even worse than HSR, i'd prefer no stair animation over that nightmare. ZZZ has almost the same problem, while being a little bit better. Overall GI was the best

[@shazamnegroid7379]

Genshit's was 100% animation, 0% stair climbing. Honkai star rail was 0% animation, 0% stair climbing Wuthering Waves was... Awkward but you can tell that the characters are walking up the steps, as scuffed as it looked And Zenless Zone Zero took what Wuthering Waves did and upgraded it - making it look more fluid and natural. Overall I'd say ZZZ - 1st WuWa - 2nd GI - 3rd HSR - sadly 4th

[@pontoancora]

​@shazamnegroid7379 no way, look at the ww legs, that's nightmare inducing

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@pontoancora Bro is so mad he replying on every comment that put Wuwa over genshin 😂 truly the genstan of all time

[@pontoancora]

@@MoonLight-mf1fe Well, almost all comments are already pointing that ww animation is shit, so it was very easy.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@pontoancora Yet no one says genshin has good animations either. Keep crying tho, I love to see it

[@Teddy-wz9mw]

Bruh how can you rate Wuwa 8/10 This problem has got me tingled as a first day player. The animation is so bad and their clothes are clipping during that animation too bruh😭

[@entityglitch8429]

You guys actually pay attention to this stuff? I was just enjoying playing the game

[@Ookami-08]

​​​@@entityglitch8429 I mean sometimes you will just inevitably see things like that in game even if you didn't intend to see it. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ For example, when I was playing WuWa normally, I realized that I suddenly got dizzy out of nowhere. When I tried to move the camera and my character, I found out that the way the character jumps and the way the camera moves there is a little too clunky; it's like getting whiplash with my eyes and it made me dizzy. In Genshin, I was just exploring and was climbing the long ahh stairs when I suddenly noticed the foot placement is not accurate. I only discovered it after months of playing since it's not that noticeable esp when you're not paying attention to those kinds of things.

[@StickzDev]

@@entityglitch8429 ON GOD THOUGH Instead of berating a game for something so small, criticize it for actual major issues in the game or instead just enjoy the damn game..

[@kilanech6186]

@@entityglitch8429 nobody pays attention, but when somebody dedicate a video on it ofc the comments are going to be about it. Same as to how you're clicking on this video even though you don't pay attention to this stuff

[@satanistka8119]

@@entityglitch8429 i wasnt spending much time at the sity n didnt completed the story yet, but since time passes i do pay attention to those details😅

[@thaitoan4760]

Tell me you’re a Wuwa simp without telling me

[@eavyeavy2864]

Genshin peds😂

[@thaitoan4760]

@@eavyeavy2864 said Encore and Verina.

[@crazypegasie9748]

I feel like wuthering waves looks like how aliens would try to imitate walking up the stairs. It looks stiff and awkward, and kind of wrong.

[@Idknlandwh123]

1:04 what is that

[@_your_aesthetx]

Duck 😂

[@lilartist9892]

A Nightmare

[@discountaesthetic7165]

8/10 for wuwa because the feet step on the stairs? While everything else is an entire list, glazing frrr

[@eavyeavy2864]

You are coping. Factos

[@ywjsiabvue]

1:56 lol 9/10 and they're literally forwards moonwalking up the stairs 😂

[@IbbyMelbourne]

I dont know why, but Wuwa's creeps me out, they walk like weird aliens

[@Someone-wr4ms]

I remember how once I needed to code something similar to a step animation for a university project... It's hard... like really hard... and the solution I found was probably super unoptimized as well... But to me, WuWa and ZZZ look super weird, It might be a hot take, but I think genshin nailed it the most out of these four, instead of focusing on the part most players won't be noticing, they added extra detail to the motion people would be paying the most attention to... going back to the project I mentioned, I ended up scratching that Idea, and instead, just lifted the camera upwards a bit when using stairs so that the feet weren't as obvious. sometimes the easiest answer is also the correct one

[@alilith3476]

Not hot take lmao, GI had the best out of the 4, because they rated the weirdest movements the highest??

[@wonnie3174]

The glazing on wuwa is crazy💀🙏

[@Eihei]

Bro WuWa animation looks like they work at the Ministry of Silly Walks, what are you talking about bro.

[@atomotron]

I don't know man, for me walking in WuWa looks ugly as hell. Sure, in HSR they got lazy and didn't even change the motion - characters walk as if they were on flat surface - but it is still relatively good to look at.

[@miyan4velicz]

its just this angle, which we will never actually do in-game ofc

[@atomotron]

​@@miyan4velicz actually, I do turn the camera all the time when moving, and especially in combat, to get better awareness of my surroundings.

[@Anika9691]

​@@atomotronyou gonna combat on stairs!? Damn. That's funny.

[@bendiver-r3h]

they probably went lazy on the stair animation in hsr because most player don't even walk, they just straight up run forever.

[@atomotron]

​@@Anika9691 in proper games, I do. Not my fault this game has to lock almost every battle on flat enclosed arena to make things easier for the game engine.

[@Kokozaftran]

No way you are rating WW's as the best. Look how lanky and weird those characters move.

[@nathanreed8281]

They half squat for each step. It looks like what athletes do when they are doing stair drills...only super lazy. So, like...bad athletes I guess?

[@dekirianto5853]

It's zzz tho who the best

[@hoseki4031]

@@dekirianto5853 you need to get your eyes washed, you can see that their feet is still clipping through the stairs, I would put it in the same level as genshin imact in terms of collision detection.

[@dekirianto5853]

@@hoseki4031 no bro I mean ON game rating zzz the best lol

[@hoseki4031]

@@dekirianto5853 tf do you mean game rating we are talking abt stairs here, also wuwa has a better rating in china and on google play than zzz

[@Capn-185]

WuWa makes their upper bodies look like uncooked spaghetti noodles

[@简单的爱]

An interesting metaphor.

[@wolfie-mi5ye]

Best metaphor ever

[@itriyum]

Lmao so true 😭

[@HarryZhu-r1s]

nah wuwa is lower than genshin. who walks up the stairs with their body leaning backward? genshin gets it right since the characters lean forward.

[@oyshikaadi9631]

Bruh WW one deservers a 6/10, not 8. Its hella unnatural, there's no balancing at all like in Genshin (Characters don't lean) and worst of all is that the legs don't even raise themselves to the next step. It just straight up teleports to the next height. It looks goofy as hell.

[@shazamnegroid7379]

The feet in genshin don't even touch the steps 97% of the time.

[@oyshikaadi9631]

@@shazamnegroid7379 In Genshin's case, I can give an excuse since its mostly designed for slopy terrain and rocks, and that the tech they are using is 4 years old now. I can't give the same excuse to WW. They are using Unreal 4, came out recently, and did a shoddy ass work on Inverse Kinematics full body animations. I would expect more improvements on a later developed game.

[@drekhunter]

@@oyshikaadi9631 On a walking animation that's not gonna be used like 99% of the time? on an view angle that's not the usual one? I'll do you one better, how is it possible for ZZZ animation to be so sloppy for a current year game that has to animate like 5 or six sets of staircases due to not being open world and that runs the whole thing on a single character? The answer as to why ALL FOUR are so bad is because they don't need to be good, specially since I've seen what some people are willing to overlook when it comes to animations. "Robotically rotates 180 degrees and leaves doing a billion dollar worth applause emote"

[@oyshikaadi9631]

@@drekhunter Why are you bringing ZZZ here when my initial comment was on WW (and then Genshin?) And what do you mean by "animation thats not going to be used 99% of the time?" Have you ever played Genshin? 100% of the entire fucking game is walking on uneven terrain. Why do you think people keeps comparing WW movement to Genshin's? There are literally no areas where the terrain is completely flat apart maybe from city roads.

[@drekhunter]

@@oyshikaadi9631 I dunno maybe because the video has a ZZZ at the end? You aren't walking on any of those games, you're jogging most of the time.

[@mihaelatrpevski3857]

Wuwa looks so funny, if they just made their backs to go more in front like genshin it could've been better. Their legs look weird like they are detached from their body

[@KINICHSIMP]

Ikr Im wheezing because of it 😂

[@Pavme]

1:25 idk why but MC looks so goofy here

[@medihidayah9895]

Why do I always feel so strange when I see wuwa characters climbing the stairs? 😰 Their feet seems elongated?

[@elaine5556]

They bend their knees too much

[@IthquaisChibi]

Starrails animation looks like they are walking on an invisible slanting plane

[@angeldude101]

That's because they are.

[@Arpin_Lusene]

Wuwa's is kinda like me trying to walk on wooden stairs without making any noise

[@bruh10246]

Genshin makes it like the characters are actually walking up a set of stairs(more like going up the stairs to scold someone) the little toe curl when it hits the wall of each step is a neat touch Hsr didn't even try, even as a fan it's obvious they didn't even bother. If that's a 5/10 what's worse? Wuwa looks more like a walking animation at the top and the legs are magnetically pulled to the steps, very uncanny. ZZZ looks like how a normal person would if they walk up the same set of stairs for years, except for the foot phasing up the steps bit

[@namiii8412]

Wuwa body is just upright not leaning.. it looks weird. Like they only made legs and arms swing but forget the rest of the body

[@AsuraRaver]

Zenless player here. Of the animations in this video, Genshin has the most natural going up stairs ive seen outside the clipping issue. I wish i could also see them going down the stairs as you only showcased Zenless going down stairs which i do like the animation for that but going up they definitely need more forward lean and for the feet to not look like they're sliding to the stair

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

As an animator, it is clear to me that Genshin > Wuwa > ZZZ > HSR; The difference between HSR and the other games is that it lacks Inverse Kinematics, one of the most important advancements in 3D animation especially for gaming. It was first displayed extensively with Shadows of the Colossus, it is the tech that allowed character's limbs to interact with surfaces, recognising they are standing on or climbing on them. When a 3D model makes contact with a polygon surface, e.g an arm, IK calculates the angle of the limb based on settings so that the limb looks correct, it also prevents clipping, enables heel and feet to animate in reaction to the ground, hands to "open doors" etc. Genshin and Wuwa has IK because they have climbing mechanics, which requires characters to recognise surfaces and interact with them, in this aspect Genshin also tops Wuwa because of better animation. You can see that while walking up the stairs Genshin characters actually shift their center of gravity over their feet, while Wuwa characters lean back, showing a lack of center of gravity and weight, along with janky knee movement, a result of lack of tweaking of the IK settings. ZZZ has minimal IK just for walking up slopes, which stairs essentially are, HSR just has no IK at all, so their limbs clip straight through surfaces.

[@honganqi]

If I can only give this 50-100 upvotes/likes. gg for the technical (and IMO unbiased) explanation!

[@angeldude101]

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat There's also the factor of how the normal vectors of the surface is used to control the animation. Proper stairs are technically completely level at each point, with normal vectors that point straight up, so the animation system would have trouble recognizing that they're not on flat ground. Genshin instead uses a ramp disguised as stairs, which means the normal vectors are angled away from the vertical direction and the animation system can actually recognize it as an incline, but the inverse kinematics then gets confused because it's trying to snap the feet to an invisible ramp rather than the visible stairs, causing the clipping. Considering where the player is more likely to be looking, I'd say Hoyoverse made the right choice here.

[@ElliFong]

Fun fact because Wuwa is using Unreal so the way it was done is totally different from Zzz and Genshin, pretty sure unity engine already had similar function for characters climbing a stair I am not sure why it wasn't done for Star rail tho

[@D_D_L]

Star Rail didn't do it to minimise animation storage, though the animation could be added back in. WW simply doesn't have it, they were only using basic IK to bound the characters' feet to the surface, like HI3 part one with that sht codes HoYo had.

[@brutaleranstand9376]

Yeah the HSR movement on stairs is TERRIBLE... But it's Still my Fav Game of these ❤

[@decalcomanie123]

Upon seeing the like/dislike ratio I was like how does a comparison video get this much hate? Then as soon as I saw "wuthering so far has the best stair animation" I just laughed and clicked dislike as well

[@skirnchskirnch]

here's my personal ranking: Genshin ZZZ Wuwa Hsr Genshin's looks more fluid and it ain't stiff Only problem is feet glitching through the stairs ZZZ is good, but the legs are suddenly snapping and feet is glitching through the stairs Wuwa looks very unatural and stiff, like who tf walks like that and the legs are snapping AGAIN and the bending of the knees looks very awkward hsr isn't even walking up the stairs, they are levitating through them. im not sure whether wuwa and hsr should switch places tho-

[@Im_toshiro_trust]

Star rail actually moving like the hood irony meme 😅

[@Kristina-eu6kq]

Star Rail is just walking… but upwards

[@AstarothGX7]

aint no way this dude just said that wuwa stars animation looks good, he literally just said he personally walks stars like that IM DEAAAAAADDDDDDDD

[@lordsofkeci4542]

Wuwa's problem is that the upper body doesn't move with the legs so it looks like they stretching like their legs some kind rubber.

[@suleyman9199]

Admit it. Genshin has one of the best stair animation. Be it the domming-bopping descend or the im-bout-to-beat-the-shit-out-of-you ascend

[@kyuutatsu]

Wuwa was a solid 1/10, it’s creepy. ZZZ 8/10

[@Eugenschaften]

I must say that genshin and zzz has the best ones Wuwa lacks a bit of upper body movement, like just give it a slight animation tweak to not make it look awkward Hsr doesn't try at all

[@thetrickster4899]

People saying there's nothing wrong with the WuWa one have never climbed stairs in their life. Their center of gravity isn't even shifting along with their lead foot lmao. That's not walking on stairs, that's like some form of modified star high knees.

[@lonk7596]

Is genshin the only one where the characters look up/down when going up/down stairs

[@alter425]

No way wuthering waves stair animation is the best, it looks so weird to watch, even though I can't pinpoint it exactly, it looks unnaturally funny especially rover

[@zgamer1577]

0:37 but You havent activate de max graphics to that in hsr

[@GoatHeadTed]

Wuwa look like they're doing squats

[@Leo-gp1yg]

I'm sorry who TF walks up the stairs with their back straight.

[@discountaesthetic7165]

Ww looks like something from a fever dream..

[@xianluvrs]

something about the wuthering waves animation is unsettling, the way their knees bend so much??

[@Steir12]

Bro saw literally NO dedicated stairs animation whatsoever and was like "yep thats 5/10". The rating inflation is wild.

[@zh7k0]

The only thing I see is that is hard to animate characters walking on stairs 🤣

[@angeldude101]

Animating characters walking on ramps isn't trivial either, but it's a heck of a lot easier, especially since the animation can actually tell the angle of inclination, where as for actual stairs, the ground is level at every point, losing that valuable information. In order to get things right, you'd basically need two separate models; one as a ramp to provide the slope, and one as stairs to provide the targets for the inverse kinematics.

[@toastazazine1098]

WuWa's got updated a while ago btw

[@robin_dabank-y4h]

The rating towards wuwa was pure bias ngl

[@liz_004]

Then legs tryna keep up with the stairs for WuWa

[@wakawaka666]

wuwa has the best ? they're breaking their knees trying to stand straight while walking it's so ugly lmao

[@megabuster3940]

Wuwa's only merit is that the feet actually track the stair geometry, outside of that it looks stiff and unnatural as hell Try and walk up the stairs with your back up right like that The feet tracking the steps like that also has a con that it makes the knees twitch excessively which also happens with ZZZ To be honest, Genshin's stair animation still looks the best outside of the feet not actually tracking the steps

[@DeadVoxel]

I feel like a problem that both WuWa and ZZZ share in common is, it feels like they're walking backwards and not lifting their legs high enough above the ground nor tilt their torso, which makes it look like the feet just slide up and get rubbed against the stairs. Or for WuWa, it feels like the characters lift up the knees a little too high, which makes it look like they're crouching and dragging their legs instead, while the characters' torso is completely straight Genshin nailed it pretty well in terms of movement, it doesn't feel stiff or unrealistic, with the exception that the characters are practically floating over the stairs or even clipping through HSR just wasn't meant for moving around as openly, it's more combat-focused and it's more about the story than the walking, so it's pretty fair that they didn't bother making an animation for walking up the stairs, especially since they would probably have to tweak a few things in the mechanics and the models. Most of the surfaces are pretty flat, so it's only normal All in all, these games did really well in this video, but they all have their flaws of course

[@Sheerwinter]

I don't walk on stairs. I walk in stairs. (Star rail)

[@htet2002linn]

Walking in wuwa? No no we run. 😅

[@destiny_02]

Wouldn't gliding be faster? Ehe~

[@HaydenLycoris]

​​@@destiny_02enough with your scams Venti 🔫

[@TempestNightmare]

​@@destiny_02 Ehe!? Te nandayo!

[@IfUSeekAndy]

You mean we run up walls 😅

[@ivanteoh930]

U mean parkour

[@SylusOnychinus]

WuWa is actually THE worst simply because it's like they hardcoded that their foot must be on the stair so they have some kind of seizure to get on top of it. It looks bad.

[@researts]

wuwa's doesn't look better than genshin's, genshin characters lean forward to maintain balance when climbing the stairs which makes it 8/10 for me. wuwa characters' feet pass through the stairs as well when going up and their limb proportions don't look right which makes it 6/10 for me

[@rona-z2376]

i dunno, but in my genshin when my character steps on stairs feet stacks perfectly to the stairs, not floating like that

[@Satya-tr7lm]

Didn't realize how the feet is always stepping on stairs because most of the time the player just running

[@ViniciusDutra]

Even thoug in WuWa the feet doesn't clip through the stairs, i still think Genshin does it better because the character torso leans foward for body balance, it makes it look more natural and more realistic than the stiffy animations from WuWa

[@Mhyiiiuujbg]

WUWU LOOKS SO SCARY IT IS NOT A 8/10

[@K9ZUHAS]

Wuvering waves is the most broken one☠️

[@farikkun1841]

I still remember in GTA V when your character sprint/jog then met stairs, they will take small stippy step adjusting their feet to individual stair steps

[@D_D_L]

Though it's not entirely ture. Those were individual stair walking animations. Good props to Rockstar for attention to detail in 2015, but it's not perfect, you still clip through stairs.

[@Lalalalala551]

No way 8/10 for wuwa I thought bro was sarcastic T-T

[@DL-vv9kl]

THE WUWA IS THE WORST OUT HERE WTF ARE YOU ON BRO 😆

[@deceptionception]

Was expecting wuva to be amazing ngl but after watching this, genshin seems to be the best one. Wuva and zzz appear to have that same weird thing on their legs in which they tried to make the feet placement too realistic by having a "physics" element since the feet actually rest on the stair/ground model which just makes it look like a spider's movement instead of just having an animation. Of course having a hand crafted animation has it's downsides as well but, no clipping aside, the most realistic one appear to be genshin's.

[@slahser]

Notice how the ZZZ showcase is on a better angle 😂

[@splashlotus2423]

Wuwa’s got some serious joint popping going on there. I’m literally studying animation and had to constantly figure out ways to prevent that… Stairs don’t make it easy…

[@EmpinadordeCG]

imo the WuWa is pretty bad, their legs move in a very weird way and the upper body is completly still, strange as fuck.

[@vyingforlife]

Genshin has the best one imo. Bounce is realistic, yes feet float thru stairs but ww and zzz both look like they have possessed legs

[@ohmkhai8989]

Wuwa was very awkward. Dev give them dynamic movement but not their legs🤣

[@fgojpnameme1175]

1.zzz 9/10 2.Genshin 8/10 3.HSR 6/10 4. Wuwa 3/10

[@Golden_KishiRoToku_Freddy]

Wuwa stair animation is kinda goofy ngl

[@XEROXAYUKI]

WW walking animation always looked a little less smooth to me compare to GI and ZZZ. But hey making this stairs animation better is kinda tough. Most AAA games also struggle to make it perfect

[@WardLett]

Out of every game that i played-- L.A. Noire has the best stairs animation.

[@FattyKung]

walking in wuthering wave make me uninstall it immediately, I don't even have a change to see them walking up the stair

[@handrel1]

Stupid you don't walk in Open World.

[@Aegisu]

Wuwu looks so bad lmao. Really awkward, borderline AI like animation there, almost like the character legs are made of jelly. Hell, the feet even seem to lag slightly when they make contact with the stairs.

[@Masamune-Senpai]

in SR there is literally no animation, but who cares, we are never walking but running without spending stamina lol

[@kratoszeus8858]

I don't know man, Genshin looks good overall compared to the other games here because the animation looks like how people would actually walk on stairs in real life. Genshin: 9/10 ZZZ: 7/10 Star Rail: I don't think they even have an animation for that, but the walking animation is miles better than WW