Wall Breaks are kinda Useless Now | Tekken 8 Patch 5

Stage gimmicks took a hit in this patch, this is a before and after comparison of how the much damage difference is there
Devs have been nerfing wall break scaling since Tekken 7 season 3 but now I feel it's too much, you can probably get more damage in a open air combo

[@dat1faclesdude]

are you crying about this? you guys literally asked for this!wtf is wrong with this community

[@stealthexecutor563]

Maybe with floor/wall blasts, but not this man. Juggles are probably more damaging

[@IAMOP]

I have only seen complaints about new wall/ floor blast though as those add 10 point damage by default earlier

[@dat1faclesdude]

​@@IAMOPis it fun to wait for your opponent to break 3 wall or break a hard wall break and a balcony into heat burst into wall combo and you take a shower and coming back seeing yourself still getting comboed? bro i glad they don't listen to you most of the times cuz you guys have problems

[@LeiChaobruh]

@@dat1faclesdude yeah so just completely eviscerate the mechanic meaning it's never worth breaking the wall mid combo with no middle ground. You are clearly so intelligent compared to us!

[@IAMOP]

​@@dat1faclesdudeif you're talking about combo length isn't it the same now? Nothing changed They might as well remove multiple breaks in a single combo in that case Now players who want damage don't have damage Players who want less combo length are still getting combo'ed till they shower and come back as you said

[@IAMOP]

Devs have been nerfing wall break scaling since Tekken 7 season 3 but now I feel it's too much, you can probably get more damage in a open air combo Edit: guys the title is referring to multi wall break and wall break scaling mid combo. wall/ floor blast change is a good adjustment

[@imeaniguess.6963]

To be fair, who was doing all this 2:08 for 60 damage ever?

[@tabkg5802]

Classic bumco balancing. Why do individual balancing when you can just do a universal deletion/nerf of a mechanic?

[@MackCasual]

Im torn. On the one hand i liked both watching and doing the big flashy wall combos. But of course i always thought the damage was excessive even when i myself was the one pulling it off. Growing up in the era of infinites and getting owned by the early 2000s lack of balancing shit. Idk 🤷🏾‍♂️ i like not dying in 2-3 combos. But i see why this would upset people.

[@muhammedraashid3667]

​@@MackCasualUm... Are you sure about that? In old games, you can nearly KO an opponent with a single combo.

[@IAMOP]

​@@imeaniguess.6963heat smash breaks hard walls directly so one might think doing it in mid combo for stage hazard would be advantageous but it's not the case surprisingly

[@Sofia_RD6]

Imo fuck it let wall breaks and stage explosion be for cinematic effect not for obliterating a whole round cause of 1 combo

[@cameronuchiha743]

Shit take

[@mistashadow]

seeing hits dealing 1 damage is oddly cursed

[@KahnzTV]

Devil Jin at the wall 🥲

[@Ghakimx]

So in the end, the character that got nerfed the hardest was Wall Phoenix.

[@xRhychux]

My mans has a 13f launcher now, he's a demon

[@memebump7612]

15 hits. 50 Damage...

[@tonisnooker]

It'd crackled me up with some internal tears being shed.

[@encrylix9092]

Dawgggggg

[@guilhermearaujo4414]

Still better than 1 combo + oki mix up and you're dead

[@lurtz8656]

Agreed, i do think this will ultimately make individual matches more fun, more interactions ​@@guilhermearaujo4414

[@seanabj]

getting flashbacks of T7 lee 🥲

[@luxolars]

At this point better keep the walls for pressure/mixups rather than for damage 😢

[@cocainejeezus]

Normally I'd disagree but t8 has so many 50/50 moments where 1 combo into another 50/50 is the end of the round. I still really like the game but i hope they do some more universal dmg nerfs to help out a little

[@Say_Irish_Wristwatch]

Even then, the stage hazards are just flat out worse than regular walls now. With how heavy the scaling is, you'd rather be blasted out the window than take a standard tornado wall combo.

[@tabkg5802]

Normal wall combos do more damage most of the time anyway lol

[@odkgame693]

​@@tabkg5802now do your normal wall combo after demoman or 95% of the cast heat smash

[@tabkg5802]

@@odkgame693 lol nice strawman

[@Mr440c]

Why nobody considers white health removal with wall breaks? It wasn't just for more damage. It's still very much viable.

[@firstlast8260]

I guess the strat is to carry to the wall, dont break the wall and do your wall combo. After that, set up for a mixup at the wall and only break the wall if you get a wallsplat/low that wallbreaks.

[@BigGreg]

I think a 10 point drop in wall combos is a bit excessive 5 points would’ve been fair. There should be a reward in damage with wall breaks but removing 10 points was overkill. Theres no reward other than an ego boost now

[@Gorecatto]

That was already the case with some reina combos If you did a combo before a wall break in training grounds, and wanted to get to the second wall, you had to keep her tornado for after the wall break and use heat burst , for overall less damage + losing wall pressure Now ? It is to be completely avoided

[@The_Lard]

They also nerfed the scaling too

[@odkgame693]

This community is stupid. As Paul if you pushed your opponent to the explosive wall it means that you can mix him with launching demoman and safe mid launcher(qcb2)

[@skyslashnova4308]

multi-wall break is the one that confuses me the most since it already dealt average damage if you used several walls tbh. i found it unoptimal to use several wall breaks before since ending in a wall combo usually is a better situation but now that seems to be case even more

[@skyslashnova4308]

other than that i think floor blast is fair because the damage from that was actually absurd lol

[@muckdriver]

I think multi wall was also only character specific I think paul had a crazy one with the wall into balcony break?

[@Zawoalowany]

That Lee combo - oof. But honestly King getting 90 damage off 2 throws was kinda dumb imo.

[@ADukesJustice]

Good change imo. Tekken needed less damage yesterday, dying from 2 mistakes is a bit much

[@Say_Irish_Wristwatch]

It's not a good change, we needed damage nerfs but not like this. What's the point of having stage hazards when reaching one gives you less damage than an open juggle? A better solution would have been to increase the scaling on combos entirely, that way open juggle damage goes down and so do stage hazard combos, but they remain proportionally more rewarding than open juggles.

[@MagnaLynx21]

If you want those kind of endless combos from one launch, there are many 2D fighters for you to play​@@Say_Irish_Wristwatch

[@tipotipo1997]

I agree with your statement but this is not the way to do so. 1. The damage is still there 2. Breakable walls give you 2 options. You either get more damage by breaking the wall OR do a wall combo that doesn't break it for oki. It is a resource that can only be used once per game The correct way to fix this is by having less stages with hazards

[@XIVDock]

@@tipotipo1997unfortunately I’m not sure they were willing to completely remove stage hazards from any of the stages.

[@odkgame693]

​@@Say_Irish_Wristwatchyou are stupid

[@MrLuc237]

I love it when i get punished for being more creative with my combo's.

[@peerlessneedle4272]

Maybe a comparison between wall break combo and normal combo will highlight the issue.

[@pipehelix5776]

I'm guessing this is due to fast attacks that wall splat, like lars f2,4 at 12i, that then got too much damage on wall breaks

[@ametozukumazu6073]

In the end, blasts are still problematic, breaks now are absolutely useless unless you playing Leroy or Victor

[@riceyboi7069]

Honestly just depends. A single wall/floor break is still useful, but the multi breaks are absolute shit. I'm still getting decent dmg if I use it as a single extension, and not that stupid Lara combo that took away so much health.

[@mibbzx1493]

That jack throwing her like a rag doll funny asf but in all honesty his damage is still broken

[@CYB3R2K]

Majority won't play like this so isn't a problem.

[@Fizzy_faizaan]

Bro developers messed my wall carry damage 😢

[@songoku6067]

They will 100% revert or at least add abit more damage than this

[@Tsuna336FFD]

I'm so happy about this ! Not only does it make the match longer ,but the stupid damage people get of it is just ridiculous.

[@thesando_]

literally now we have no reasons to break the walls

[@jimdino77]

Wrong, it just means breakable walls and hazards aren’t as damaging as normal walls. Gimmicks having too much impact take away from the impact of raw fundamentals

[@Fizzy_faizaan]

We never wanted the secluded training ground wall nerf!! Bring it back 😭😭

[@O_saBee]

Wait tell me if I'm understanding this wrong. They nerfed Leo's wall combo damage AND wall break damage overall??? Wow... I just, wow...

[@xDivorex]

To be fair, that damage before patch on Jacks throw was ridiculous 😂

[@Say_Irish_Wristwatch]

THIS IS WHY THIS NERF IS NOT GOOD: 1. Combo damage in general needed nerfs, not just stage hazard combos. It's still wild that some characters can do 60% or more off of juggles without even hitting a wall. If Bamco wanted to increase combo scaling, they should have done it across the board instead of specifically making stage hazards insignificant. 2. Wall hazards are actually pointless now. In juggles, you'll get better damage just ending with a regular wall combo, and off of raw wallsplats, you'll get better damage from tornado wall combos. There's actually no reason to break the wall anymore, all it does is deal less damage and potentially lose your stage positioning. It's now better to get blasted out the window or exploded into the air over being splat against a regular wall.

[@jimdino77]

Looks pretty damn balanced to me

[@LeiChaobruh]

Wow, another brilliantly thought through decision by the Tekken team. How do they do it?

[@MehDagon]

at this point just make wall breaks as combo finisher with unscalled damage that resets to oki situation.

[@crazy911wman]

Who was complaing about wall break damage?

[@henrynguyen4315]

Tbh i think combo length is overtuned not the gimmicks and wall break stuff and thats due to the high leaniency with juggles, its the leaniency that makes combos overtuned not these gimmicks. Namco went about it the wrong way. Right now just about everyone can bring you to the wall/multiple wall breaks in a single combo. Its to the point where a random trade leads to a full launch, ive seen situation where jin would get a ch f+4 trade, be in a long hit stun animation from the trade, recover and STILL have enough time to run in and complete the juggle like wtf. If the goal was to tone down combos which is what they have been trying to do for the last million patches (with damage nerfs to certain moves) then they should tone down the juggle physics then we not going to see these ridiculous long death combos to multiple wall breaks.

[@lemonzest8650]

i feel like the breaks themselves should deal some damage, thatd be kinda cool

[@ivan_valerian]

They really want to stretch the round as long as possible. Not a necessarily a bad thing, but it's just not natural to see someone getting tossed around and receive little to no damage

[@riceyboi7069]

Scales way too much on multi wall breaks/floor blasts. It was overall a better change so u dont get deleted in one combo, but it shouldnt scale to that piss weak 50 dmg. But also, doesnt heat burst into heat smash scale incredibly hard as well?

[@InnerTriggerer]

But Wall Break never was a problem? They should REMOVE the normal wall Break damage ( or Nerf it to just 1-5 ) and instead make wall Break reset the combo scaling to 70%. This will reward the well prepared/practiced players to optimize their combos AND executions. While remove/reduce the easy damage from low effort wall breaks. The Problem was Wall Blast and Floor Blast that convert from Throws and Grounded hits essentially make it's launchers, The combo damage from mentioned Interactions should have nerfed scaling which is implemented from the last patch (but not enough imo), However they shouldn't nerf the Blast damage itself since the blasts should keep it rewards for regular combos.

[@crustman5982]

I’m fine with this. Small arena stage was so cursed because of this

[@hrleinad]

This was a good change. Not as big of a deal as it should have...

[@tharunkumar215]

Dont you think jack 89 throw wall break damage is tooo much

[@IAMOP]

That grab is a meme like the one hit ko General grabs do around 35 -40 damage, with the current scaling I think this is fine My only concern is the multi wall break scaling

[@mishaelcalhoun1165]

I guess the combo warriors are going to cry now.

[@i3ssb00st5]

Anything over 50 dmg is good enough Always put the "good enough" mentality up there folks, as long as you are able to deal more than 50 ot even more 60 dmg should be good enough damage

[@Alsry1]

50 damage is not "good enough" its you need to learn how to optimize combos.

[@i3ssb00st5]

@@Alsry1 and since walls do give that much damage now then they are konda useless yea

[@mario08133]

To be fair, the damage was insane. Before, 2-3 launchers can literaly kill you.

[@bad_chewy6092]

This is a good thing.

[@tonisnooker]

I'm glad I didn't focus on making long combos instead just niche enough to reach walls but not break it entirely I was right on the money.

[@chino567]

Also the nerfs for stage hazards makes since far more in dis game then tekken 7. Allows for more solid play on both sides.

[@chino567]

In my opinion 2 or 3 combos shouldn't kill u, it should hurt but u should be alive.

[@ESJ_DeLeon_21]

How do you thinl us Leo mains feel.

[@Dr.Happy11]

Community: asks for nerf to the extra damage + rec hp destruction from stage gimmicks (that noone asked for in the first place) Devins: *fixed a bug where breaking a balcony mattered at all*

[@turkymurky8433]

Ok those floor blasts and wall blasts were stupid before

[@henrycardona2940]

Hot take: it's not all about max damage. Style makes the game cool.

[@sabahbubbler]

How are you able to do the before patch if after the update, old combos would be updated with new patch right?

[@IAMOP]

I didn't update the game in one of my pc

[@Giraffinator]

Is pulling the ethernet cord really that foreign of a concept these days?

[@lloydirving6189]

​@Giraffinator you don't even need to plug... All what you have to do, it's on steam go to offline mode. Or on PS5, setting > network connection > Internet off. Done, offline and no plugging. Idk about xbox series s/x

[@RuTo94]

New Meta for this season is don't break walls got it 😂 man that damage nerf is insane it's like what's the point in having wall break it dosen't give us any damage if broken so might as well not break it LOL. Just my take but what if you get recovarable heat if you break walls seems like it would be broken but it would give us a incentive in breaking wall breaks if the damage nerf is not changed.

[@Majid216]

Good.

[@padzman91]

"Wall/Stage gimmicks are f*cking broken, too much damage" Bamco: nerf 5 dmg "Wall/Stage gimmicks are f*cking useless" Lord Aris was spot on. "Man, I hate Tekken Players"

[@Visual217]

Nah, I'm glad about these changes. Wall breaks could steal rounds because of 1 or 2 mistakes.

[@YungKuroKami]

Imma still break walls cuz they combo routes are dope 🔥🔥!! The damage will add up anyway

[@evan6711]

wall breaks and balcony breaks delete recoverable health, they're still useful.

[@georgegkoumas5026]

I think that aspect got nerfed too, still better than nothing though. But who cares about recoverable health when your opponent would be dead if that was a wallsplat combo instead of a wallbreak scaled combo. Problem is not that wallbreaks are bad its that they should feel like a better advantage than normal wallsplats but now it feels like having a breakable wall in your back is more of an advantage because you get out of wall oki and get less damage than having a normal wall (or even worse a corner) in your back.

[@mrpotch]

Next thing you know theyll nerf wall combos and people will now stay on walls rather than stay away from them

[@NicoMambino]

If only the devs thought of this in Tekken 7 😂😂 Akuma and Geese never would’ve gotten away with complete BS

[@XiaoGege]

Man... I want shorter and harder-to-get combos, not less damaging combos that can still go up to 15 hits.

[@cmtray9699]

I don't believe this is a bad change. Yes, the damage is nerfed and you do more damage from an open combo. But your opponent loses white health from wall/balcony breaks and you still get a combo from wall and floor blast. I'm not a big fan of 2 touch and your dead fighting game.

[@Yzaias15]

wall break combos are just for style/disrespect now

[@ghplayer1992]

Thank God now nobody will choose that doho stage very irritating

[@MadaraUchiha-ty4rh]

Bad decision. Its nice for stage gimmicks to actually be useful and it added gameplay variety

[@trinichinee6426]

Instead of going for the wall break .. do the wall combo and go for oki . Then u hit the opponent with wall break to get more damage .. I always prefer this option .. now everybody is gonna do this .lol

[@aura6958]

It is what it is.

[@tikitakaman]

That could be the difference between a win and a lost, the difference is the round could be a little bit longer and thats good

[@W0LFB3AT5]

They literally made walls damage the same length as Heat damage. 🤣

[@iamtrying2690]

Damn. Longer combos means fck you now.

[@hotdog5927]

20% dmg nerf looks like

[@Rapidcanvas]

I welcome the majority of these changes icl

[@tekkenscrubprime1729]

This is a good change

[@obiyofi9792]

Inb4 Season 2 wall break being the same as Guilty Gear Strive.

[@TheRadioSquare]

Good. Tekken needs less damage, not more. It's supposed to be a fighting game.

[@maulanaalmaliki9234]

Sampe damage apaan bang

[@kittyburger000]

Useless? It's a free fucking combo, what else do you want lmao

[@melvinshine9841]

I don't really see the problem. People kept griping that wall blasts and floor blasts did too much damage. So they nerfed the damage, and now it's a bad thing? I'm not accusing Iamop of this, but I don't understand how there will be people in the Tekken community who'll constantly complain about something they want changed, then still complain when they get the exact change they wanted. I honestly wonder if other fighting game communities are like this, or are we just that special in the Tekken-sphere?

[@IAMOP]

I'm talking about the multi wall break or mid combo wall break in particular

[@dj10schannel]

Aside from the tragedy that is the dmg output from Lee's combo in this video this is a pretty good thing tho tbh just few tweaks and it's great 👍

[@bludika]

it's fair, this game's damage was too insane sometimes, especially with the stage gimmicks

[@macademia_p7853]

3 month people has ask for this for 3 whole month before 1.05, and now people start crying over it? come on... you joking right?

[@k-yo]

I like the changes!!

[@VictorLucas-fg4dq]

T8 its a fast agressive game, this nerfs Will slown down the game to de defender to adapt.

[@chino567]

Lol i was thinking how much dis would affect lars damage it almost makes me feel bad for the lee players. No sympathy tho, i have an absolute disgust for lee

[@odkgame693]

Scrubs in comments cry because now you have to win more than 2 interactions per round and they will lose their scrubby rank

[@HeartPliz]

If it nerfs king, ill take it.

[@MatMurdoc96]

Good change

[@bernardihope]

Kinda needs to be reverted lol

[@Stormbreaker_tk]

it is better this way stages were so dumb and powerful

[@Satchmeat]

This is terrible. A nerf on wall break damage makes some sense but this is excessive. Some of these wall to wall combos can be quite intersting and hard to pull off but why would you do them for no extra damage? I feel like this change lowers player expression.

[@Satchmeat]

I hope this doesn't affect future map making decisions because TEKKEN 7's maps had very few wall and floor breaks and the maps were really boring as a result.

[@seeker0587]

Good. The damage was insane before. The combos way too long way too easy and taking 60-80% life. I’d rather have shit wall combos. Play with oki and skill and not bank on heat smash and wall combos.

[@troop3r_]

Good change, imo. This is the most snowball tekken ever because of shit like this. 1 combo with no execution leading to 75% of your life gone, just because it was a stage interaction (which you have on almost every stage) is just stupid and ridiculous and it will just contribute more to the snowball effect. I'm tired of games where my opponent Perfects me 1st round in 13 seconds, then I give him a Perfect, and it's back and fourth the same shit, basically who starts offense wins, because of dumb stuff like this. So, good change, and to whoever is crying about this, just stfu honestly.

[@cheekfun]

Better player wins more often now.

[@Jamal0602]

Tbh that's fair enough

[@nicholascora1263]

Its just less damage. Wall breaks are far from useless. I hope u made that thumbnail title just for clickbait cuz you are wrong

[@TracySampy]

Y'all asked for this

[@seregg6401]

Gimmicks now give only more combo opportunities, instead of being a damage (and wall travel) amplifier. This change is both good and bad, you will think more of the gimmick as a "strategic point" instead of monke go to 3rd breakable wall cause dmg go brrrrrr. But yeah feel free to abolish my statement :)

[@Say_Irish_Wristwatch]

Only problem is that it's not even good for combo opportunities now. With how heavy the scaling is, you'd rather be blasted out the window than take a standard tornado wall combo. Hazard walls are now legit safer to be around than regular walls are lol.

[@maboihwo]

cry all you want cuz apparently that the only thing this community can do but i m glad that i wont get comboed for 15 seconds

[@skyslashnova4308]

this doesn't change the length of the combos

[@tekken95reg94]

Super !!!

[@kazuya931]

Balanced

[@pauliuskvedaras9559]

Good change actually, y'all cry too much

[@yelowninja]

gonna cry about them being too much and now gonna cry about them being nerfed! bro you are getting a launch of a probably safe Knock down mid what is the argument? and doing 80 dmg from a muscle buster isn't enough? wtf

[@scorpioigor]

But if breaking a wall mid combo doesn't extend the damage, what is the point of them being there? Also, you can get a combo off of safe mids that wall splat anyway.

[@yelowninja]

​​@@scorpioigorwell dont! noone likes to getting comboed for 12 fking seconds! its a great change,just getting a launch of a wallsplating mid or knock down mid is enough!

[@hugeheadliang]

Most complaints were about wall/magma bounce, not wall break. It’s a shame bamco nerfed them together.

[@ametozukumazu6073]

​@@yelowninjaYou're still gonna get comboed for 12 seconds. But now you have more chances to get comboed for another 12 seconds. Congrats.

[@forsak3n749]

@@yelowninjaur literally playing Tekken and ur crying about getting comboed? Doing multiple break combos is difficult and u should be rewarded. It also doesn’t happen often at all.