Wall Hung WC Toilet & Basin - Abacus Frame Installation

Episode 80 ~ Installing an Abacus WC & Basin Frame (Part 1 of 2)
Roger Bisby talks through how to fit a wall-hung WC and basin from British company Abacus Bathrooms.
As a British company, Abacus has a good understanding of British plumbing and the WC and Basin in this video has been designed to work with British systems so you're not running around different merchants looking for a non-existent adapter for a continental system; everything you need to do the job is in this kit. That includes having a straight and an angled waste outlet depending on your need for the job.
Find out more at www.abacus-bathrooms.co.uk
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[@attiliopirozzolo6288]

This video has made installing the wall hung WC frame very easy, the best video so far.

[@alext9067]

I watched a few of these installation videos and you're the only one that understood that the thing exerts a pulling force on the studs which tries to pull the top of the studs into the room. Very good video.

[@djjax1675]

very informative video roger.am about to start 2 bathrooms at same property and I've convinced the owner to go with abacus.cheers

[@fragmux]

Thank you for a comprehensive informative video, clear well spoken instructions, top instructor.

[@edwardmcdonald8833]

Having seen this video, I bought and fitted one of these. Very easy to fit, as said on the clip.

[@johnsmith-bv2wc]

perfect video sp clear to understand, thanks

[@johng5806]

Nice explain!

[@yvonne3903]

Answered a lot of questions, thank you

[@MatSmithLondon]

We're doing a major renovation, removing load bearing walls from a 185 year old 5 storey house, steels in, 2 large basements, fit out everything from scratch and I'm planning to do most of it myself. Although only just finishing groundworks and structure, your vids have been hugely helpful so far. I'm learning on the job. Things like this are a life saver. Can't stand poorly made products so getting detailed product reviews and install videos is an absolute god send. Thank you so much for this free content, I don't know where I'd be without it.

[@SkillBuilder]

Thanks Mat. We are always interested in projects so send pictures to our website and we might even be able to do a couple of videos and tools tests with you. Let us know what you are up to and we will try and get involved.

[@MatSmithLondon]

Hi Roger, I couldn't work out how to send pics to your website, but I've just put together this gallery: goo.gl/photos/GBGVAoVSPHt8NyPW7 - we have space, parking, and bacon butties... would be delighted to be used as a venue for filming etc. We've been planning / building for over 3 years already and as you can see, have barely even started first fix!

[@opentrail]

Great video, thanks for that.

[@SkillBuilder]

Thanks for the feedback. Lots more to come in this series

[@opentrail]

yes I really enjoy watching them. Looking forward to the next one.

[@esmaeltolpa1945]

Nice

[@somaaelsapak6361]

Exelente video thank you very much

[@adamroberts4621]

Hi Roger, what type of pipe and fittings are you using on this job?

[@HomeImProveMentHow]

Now can you get these in the us and if so how, and from who. And does it come with us specs

[@mmack3286]

O rings are the future for new sealing!

[@electronicsandradio3945]

Tell that to NASA

[@olawaleshanu4540]

You sure know what you are doing. I am impressed. I think you should be a teacher. Thanks.

[@SkillBuilder]

No money in it, KZbin is the university of the world.

[@AlexKafka-en7pl]

Hi. What kind of metal rail you putting on the wall? I cant find anything similar on the market. Thanks

[@chaosad8415]

Can you provide a link to get this toilet and bidet kit and uni strut please

[@SurinderSingh-pg2hp]

Good job sir

[@flashbang9652]

If I buy this frame will it fit all toilets.. e.g vitra? Are there pans that wont fit?

[@jesseelliejackowen]

What size unistrut do you use??

[@abfielding1903]

What fixing do you recommend for thermalite block work 1. With the frame and also for the stud work? Also what fixings to use with elements board on thermalite?

[@SkillBuilder]

dot and dab the Elements board with cement based tile adhesive of board adhesive Fixing to Thermalits. Best to use the special lightweight block fixings and a timber bearer to spread the load. I would also put some gun adhesive along the back of the timber bearere

[@masterplumbinghelp5513]

i dont really know abacus cisterns but what i do know is that geberit is the future of conceald cisterns and basin frames.

[@SohailKhan-xv7cj]

world and CP bath fitting Cola CP bath fitting Cola

[@gabeayres541]

Hmm yes. You raise a good point.

[@SkillBuilder]

Yes but Abacus comes with all the options you will need and is cheaper.

[@viccimay3934]

Hi Roger, love your videos. Im having a problem with my abacus toilet. Its been leaking (for a long time) from the cistern, running down behind the plasterboard. This happens when its flushed, but also a slow leak when no used. I believe the there is a part missing which is the only part you cant buy. Dont suppose you have any advise? Thanks

[@SkillBuilder]

Tell me what part is missing, I am sure we can get one.

[@renatorenato3703]

I just wonder what is behind dry wall? Did you install it directly on dry wall? Will it hold? Cause i have to install it too, but i have wall made of dry wall only.

[@SkillBuilder]

You need to use a proper stud or masonry wall. The wall you have is no good for this job. If the frame can't be secured you need to use a w.c that sits on the floor.

[@peterryan7827]

Ime interested to know how you set the valve for water level,and also how easy is it to replace that valve should it go wrong say in a few years.

[@SkillBuilder]

It is a piece of cake to remove and replace. I have them in my house and have never needed to touch them in 5 years.

[@xiaoxiaqin7827]

My wall is only 0.83 meters (above the windows), is not suitable for installation of wall-hung wc & basin??

[@SkillBuilder]

Hi Mary you need 0.82 plus a bit of shelf on top of the frame so that will take you up to 0.85. If you can run the shelf into the window and not encroach too much on the frame you might just do it.

[@Iain31313]

What size timber studs have been used for the framing in this?

[@SkillBuilder]

4x2 cls

[@dwainDigital]

Would you still suggest abacus today? I'm about to refurbish my bathroom and I have no idea what system I need for my wall hung toilet and sink.

[@SkillBuilder]

Yes Abacus is a bit cheaper than some German ones and it is good kit with easy spares availability.

[@MrMAYrichard]

You did not comment on the height of the pan. I am looking to instal a wall hung pan somewhat higher than the norm to accomodate older and more disabled users. Will this mean that the 1M marking will need to be higher and can the Abacus frame accomodate this? Love your videos

[@SkillBuilder]

Just set the frame on a timber sole plate. The frame will adjust but it is easier to pack it on a bit of 4 x 2

[@maneshranderwalla5553]

So I hats the best one on the market just but a grohe wall hung

[@dewole]

Hi. Are wall hung toilets noisier for adjoining rooms than standard toilets? And what is the most cost effective solution to mitigate the noise transfer? I would rather put that in when at the build rather than later when the kids won't stop complaining :)

[@SkillBuilder]

If a w.c cistern is in the wall then it only has one layer of plasterboard between it and the room next door but often the pre wall is built in front of the wall so you still have the wall. You can place some Rockwool sound slab behind the cistern but they are sound deadened and the float valve is quiet. One thing you can get it is a little donk sound when it finishes filling. Just slow the flow down with the valve and it makes it quieter. The good news is that having a wall hung pan reduces that noise you often hear downstairs when a man is taking a piss.

[@paul7184]

Any idea where to buy unistut? Can't find it in the DIY stores in the UK

[@SkillBuilder]

Unistrut. Here is one place www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unistrut-Channel-plain-slotted-Hot-dipped-galv-3M-lengths-FREE-FAST-PP-/392232267597?var=

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

Is there any video where you fit the abacus straight pan connector?

[@SkillBuilder]

I don't recall a video but I have done it many times. You just have to cut the hole in the wall and push the soil pipe through. I always run from the pan to the stack rather than trying to run the pipe the other way. It just allows things to line up a bit better.

[@craigashby1782]

Does the uni strut come with the kit?

[@SkillBuilder]

No

[@benrichards1]

Can the waste pipe out of the frame be at a 45⁰ angle? I have a joist where I want to put the waste pipe so cant go straight down. Im Going into the room below and boxing the waste pipe in a across the ceiling and wall until it gets outside.

[@SkillBuilder]

Yes the soil pipe can go at 45 degs or anywhere that gives it a fall. I have done that boxing in before, sometimes there is a steel beam in the way.

[@benrichards1]

@@SkillBuilder thanks for the reply.

[@darrensmith8032]

I have followed the video fitting instruction but the abs plastic bracket that fixes to the unistrut has flex in it, this makes the frame move when you sit on the toilet, (I am only 78 kgs) and has resulted in the tiling cracking. It looks like I will have to break it out and put a conventional pan in.

[@SkillBuilder]

I am really sorry to hear that Darren. I usually give the frame a good old tug to make sure there is zero movement. A 78 kg person should not bend anything. Did you put coach screws in the sides of the frame into the studwork? I have never had a frame flex on those brackets if the feet are bolted down and the sides are fixed to the studwork and the studwork is solid there should be no movement. I would not abandon the installation because it is perfectly possible to make sure it doesn't move.

[@darrensmith8032]

@@SkillBuilder Thanks for the advice, I initially used screws in the sides but have managed to coach screw this now and it seems to have worked.

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

What's the abacus minimum recommended distance between wc and sink frame?

[@SkillBuilder]

They can go side by side with a stud in the middle but it is all about your elbow room sitting on the w.c

[@chrisridesbicycles]

What are the main differences between British plumbing and continental plumbing?

[@SkillBuilder]

sizes of pipes. Almost ever size is a little bit different and you have to find adaptors.

[@prenticedarlington2720]

In France: Copper pipe sizes are typically: 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 22, 28mm etc. The thinner sizes can be bought soft in rolls but more commonly, straight tubes are used, which are semi hard and require annealing before bending. The solder fittings do not come with the pre-soldered ring, so solder has to be used and fed from the join between fitting and pipe. Copper pipe wall fixings are different too, using metal brackets that use dedicated screws and standoffs (they look a bit old fashioned, to say the least). PVC waste pipe is measured on the outside diameter, and the wall thickness is typically 3mm. The sizes are 32mm (washbasin), 40mm (shower/sink/bath), sometimes 50mm, 63mm, 80mm, 100mm and 125mm. The 32mm pipe, for example, is only 26mm internal diameter, which makes it significantly smaller than the equivalent British size. Never had a problem, though.

[@chrisridesbicycles]

Prentice Darlington The French system sounds similar to the German system but of course we use other diameters again. (40/50/75/110). I think washbasin, shower, sink and bath are all the same diameter. Crazy stuff this plumbings. Imagine if computers would be like that. UK 1/2" USB plugs vs. continental 13mm USB plugs. ;)

[@prenticedarlington2720]

Very true, my friend. I guess you must really have been wondering about the British system. The copper and plastic waste pipes are based in inches. The copper pipe is half inch, 3/4 inch and 1 inch internal diameter, which equates to 15, 22 and 28mm outside diameters. I think the 22 might sometimes be 21mm but I'm not a British plumber.

[@logik100.0]

The fact it comes with a rear outlet won me over. I'm fitting "continental" brand back to wall and had to make my own rear outlet fitting. F-ing pain in the arse. But putting a false wall 200+mm from the wall in the small UK house is not really an option for a lot of people.

[@SkillBuilder]

You can get a very slimline frame from Abacus to get you much closer to the wall if the soil pipe is going straight through the wall. I understand that hesitation to lose space and later in the series we show the Abacus flush mounted cabinets which utilise it. The streamlined look of the false wall also makes it look less cluttered, Customers seem to prefer it.

[@logik100.0]

I went the Abus site and found the slim line. Well next one I install..... My current installation is tight to the extreme in my loft conversion. I had to add the missing insulation where I placed the frame to the outside! I have to say thought that its a very well thought out system.

[@SkillBuilder]

sound like the sort of job I get landed with, next to impossible. I have put cisterns in the roof space above and run a pneumatic flush up through the cavity. Works well though. If you were sitting on the loo when you flushed it you would get a bidet wash out.

[@logik100.0]

Skill Builder The loft cistern / pneumatic is actually what I'm planning for the bathroom conversion. Thanks of the heads up on the power of the flush..

[@SkillBuilder]

I used 1 1/4 waste pipe and put a restrictor in the end to stop the water jumping the edge of the pan. It is fine but still powerful.

[@callane2730]

What size nut is the ones going into the floor???

[@SkillBuilder]

10mm coach screws supplied in the kit

[@callane2730]

@@SkillBuilder cheers mate👍 just got a new socket set and was hoping it had the right size lol

[@aglass7539]

If you’re after tips from this video, urine luck.

[@andrewcooke5392]

Yeah lovely, but where do abacus get off on charging £199.99 for the toilet seat...

[@SkillBuilder]

I won't buy a toilet seat for £199 but I am happy if my customer wants to.

[@realpeopletv2779]

Would you say there better than grohes and gebrets

[@SkillBuilder]

They are the same but these are cheaper and you get all the fittings for S or P soil connections. It makes life easier not to order.

[@realpeopletv2779]

@@SkillBuilder thanks roger very much appreciated, luv ur channel 👍

[@Tomukas]

Who would bother with Abacus Bathrooms? Can't really buy direct from them, your local merchant doesn't have everything you need.... Nonsense. Went with Geberit and Grohe instead - easy to buy anywehere you want and in the future will be easy to get spare parts!

[@mprintoul]

What size unistrut do you use ?