War and Peace in Europe from Hitler to Putin

[@ninashewchuk8976]

The name "Holodomor" was not deliberately chosen to draw parallels between the Ukrainian famine of the early 1930s and the Holocaust. It comes from the Ukrainian words "holod" (hunger) and "mor" (plague). In addition, the Ukrainian word "moryty" means "to cause death". Holodomor literally translates to "death by hunger". Different languages are a thing.

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

and there is not a shred of evidence it was intentional

[@sitting_nut]

why don't these lecture name the people who carried it out ? such as those "convicted" in a "trial" held by kiev regime recently. hardly any russian ( in fact only 1 out of dozen ) but more than half from a certain group that is never criticized in western media.

[@ninashewchuk8976]

@@JohnKobaRuddy Apart from Stalin turning away foreign aid and banning peasants from traveling to other cities to beg for food. Also totally nothing suspicious about the USSR keeping it under wraps for decades. Not to mention that in the years leading up to it Stalin had thousands of Ukrainian intellectuals, church leaders, and communists who supported pro-Ukrainian policies executed. Total coincidence. Even if by some chance there was no intention on Stalin's part to eliminate as many Ukrainians as possible, the fact of the matter is that millions did in fact die (among members of many other ethnic groups), and to this day the Kremlin denies any wrongdoing. If you define genocides solely as openly stated, intentional purges of people of particular ethnic groups, you end up moving goalposts whenever it's convenient for you to deny acts of violence against others.

[@SuperMookles]

​@@sitting_nutah, anti-Semitism. Didn't take long for that to crop up.

[@largemarge5963]

I was thinking the same thing. Germany was not beat on the eastern front in 1918. Who is this guy, or more like whos paying this guy. 🤔

[@daydays12]

Brilliant lecture. Clear, precise, thoroughly researched , accurate and well presented.Also much information new to me Thank you Gresham and Professor Evans.

[@paulsturgul5829]

Professor Evans states in this lecture that Germany was defeated on both the western and eastern fronts in WWI. Actually, Germany won the war on the eastern front in WWI.

[@jfurl5900]

A year later ,, giving up the Crimea seems very unlikely .

[@subcitizen2012]

I'd like to generally point anyone curious for more to seek out Yale historian Timothy Schneider, one of the world's leading experts on eastern Europe and Ukraine more generally.

[@TheSklar]

Snyder

[@jacpratt8608]

Snyder/ Schnyder? Shnyder? Sure there's a Y somewhere. Yes, they are fascinating lectures. Bloodlands is one.

[@matthewkelly2399]

Always insightful

[@mossydog2385]

Your lecture was excellent, and I'm no friend of authoritarianism regardless of form or it's government of origin. Yet I'm left to wonder why we didn't hear talks of this nature during the invasion of Iraq, from which it has not yet recovered, or the two decade long war in Afghanistan....which could have easily been avoided had Bush taken the Taliban up on their offer to turn Bin Laden over to us if we would just stop dropping gigantic amounts of ordinance on the from the air. It puzzles me.

[@subcitizen2012]

There was plenty of talk about that. UN and most of NATO didn't want any part of it, and after asking the world for permission the US did it anyway. But these are also fundamentally different conflicts, whether pro or anti Russian. Whatever the case, Zalensky isn't an installed dictator gassing his own population, nor even the vaguest premise of being able to threaten Russia or anyone with WMD's. Iraq and Afghanistan were also not overt wars of ethnically laced and nationalistic existential territorial expansionist wars of conquest. Yes, the US middle eastern misadventures were fundamentally wrong and ill founded and executed terribly, and for all the wrong reasons, but it is the apple to Putin's orange. Whatever comparisons could be drawn as a military misadventure, it doesn't give Putin ideological or political carte blanche to initiate and justify his own blunder. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[@subcitizen2012]

Also, wanted to add, while your question is perfectly innocent, it's the sort of thing that gets rolled out in rhetorical arguments and Russian propaganda. The shorthand for it is "what-aboutism" where it's a change of the subject matter at hand in order to avoid the actual topic at discussion. I forget what the formal logical fallacies it might fall under, apples and oranges being one of them, but either way its a rhetorical trap that benefits Russia's aims in the current conflict bybdistracting from it. Yes, the US and west have an over abundance of evil, corruption, and incompetence to answer for, for which they probably never will, but it's still not the same thing as what is happening in UKraine.

[@daydays12]

There were plenty of peple arguing against the Iraq war(s). Were you not paying attention?

[@daydays12]

@@subcitizen2012 Well replied. Thank you for taking the time.

[@mossydog2385]

@@subcitizen2012 because I'm an Oracle, or because of my vast wealth and fame. I don't like your tone and I don't think I like you. Calm down.

[@lashachakhunashvili1399]

33:45 ❤

[@Andrzhel_vis_Vhaeraun]

So, let's just forget the Greek Civil War, the Cyprian conflict between Greece and Turkey, the chechnya war, the balkan conflicts and the various wars Russia waged since 1990.... nothing to see here, Europe is peacefull.

[@ltzhk]

Great factual talk!

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@hollyylloh515]

Excellent 🇬🇧 thank you for posting

[@Vintagevanessa99]

Do we know what's going on.. really.

[@subcitizen2012]

As members of the public to the extent that we can, yes, yes we do. And there's very little reason to engage in a cynical skepticism, it *is * possible to know things. Don't just roll over into being a Russian Manchurian candidate because the west isn't perfect.

[@daydays12]

There are some excellent journalists very near the front line.

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

he is another liberal historian. thinks rather than knows. every liberal historian thinks they know what some historical figure is thinking. he literrally said ukraine is fighting for democracy as it launders the wests dirty money, is the most corrupt state in europe has banned political parties, has death lists over peoples opinions all over the world and bans news and media stations etc.

[@becut95]

If only British historians resembled Noam Chomsky more ...

[@WildBillCox13]

Shared.

[@gitmoholliday5764]

one of the missed opportunities to negotiate peace, was the possibility to agree about a UN controlled / certified referendum about Donbas annexation / neutrality.. Boris Johnson blew that one

[@Narguhl]

In theory this sounds like a nice idea. Sadly this referendum would be meaningless. A lot of the populationhas fled, was deported or killed or was just quickly "imported" from Russia to Russify the region.

[@gitmoholliday5764]

@@Narguhl we could say the same about Odessa .

[@Narguhl]

@@gitmoholliday5764 Yeah. But it would not be true in any meaningful comparison. When exactly did Ukraine occupy the Russian city Odessa by force?

[@gitmoholliday5764]

@@Narguhl Between 1916 and end WWII

[@Narguhl]

lol

[@oliveleaf7376]

great lecture, but I do hope someone got this poor man and nice tall glass of cold water after! my throat hurts listening

[@billynomates920]

8:00 to 8:30 is interesting

[@SirVashtastic]

I agree , very hive mind

[@noahkidd3359]

@@SirVashtastic The vast majority of the biggest and most respected news outlets in the West are highly factual. Russia's is not. The people who think that Western news is all propaganda are huffing copium.

[@axismundi8]

Very weak, one dimensional and obvious propaganda. The click bait image is cheap Russo phobia. Horrible to see this tacky stuff on Gresham College Channel. Yiu obviously support it. Much as I've enjoyed your videos, I'm out.

[@joprocter4573]

NO COMPARISON

[@subcitizen2012]

Except for where there is, which is why and how things can compare.

[@vividsunn8459]

Wrong! Germany was NOT defeated fair and square in the East in WW1; in fact, it was victorious there.

[@clovisra]

What about wars from Hitler's to NATO's?

[@SuperMookles]

KREMLIN THANKS LOYAL TROLL FOR KIND WORDS AND SUPPORT AT TIME OF TRICKY SITUATION. PUTIN APPRECIATE VERY MUCH COMMENT SUPPORT FOR MOTHER RUSSIA, IT EVEN MAKE HIM CRY.

[@7DYNAMIN]

Thanks, its a real intressting perspective,. I like how you say it like its some new idea. Is nato part of this though ??

[@clovisra]

@@7DYNAMIN What about Yugoslavia? What about the real war NATO declared against Russia NOW? A war that started years ago?

[@mrgreatauk]

@@clovisra you are deluded.

[@SickBastard69]

@@SuperMookles and yet you listen to lies by your governments, puppet much?

[@lenwilkinson672]

Putting Welsh names on sign posts and other items was a ridiculous and an enormous amount of money just to let one know they are in Wales.

[@DeanJuvenal]

The financial aspect is one matter. Why are you so opposed to signs and other items being in English and Cymraeg? Cymru has TWO official languages, Cymraeg and English.

[@someoneelse293]

What did he say that's wrong?

[@noahkidd3359]

pro-Russian trolls are struggling to procure copium, that's all

[@peterswift3612]

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

[@stuartcmcd]

The truth

[@walterkoppe9437]

not the inbalance between russian and the ukraine but the inballance between usa, eu and nato agaist russian is the point.

[@jamesneedham6265]

@@walterkoppe9437 Nato haven't turned up yet

[@stonedwalljackson5806]

Don't forget about nato bringing war to the Balkans in the early 90's

[@memorymeme51]

Oh not Serbia ofc, they were the victim

[@SuperMookles]

yeah, it was NATO, not Milosevic. Silly us, thinking that it was yet another manifestation of rabid Serb nationalism.

[@nuznikas]

No need tu act as you dont know why nato acted

[@TranceGamerx]

yeah, it was NATO, not Milosevic. Silly us, thinking that it was yet another manifestation of rabid Serb nationalism.

[@SuperMookles]

@@nuznikas in the mid-1990s because of the genocidal actions of Bosnian Serbs, then, later on, the genocidal actions of Serbia itself in Kosovo. Hope that helps to clear things up!

[@jez3774]

Jackanory

[@helgeellevset3004]

What utter ignorance and arrogance

[@alexharrison9340]

Solidarity with the Ukrainian people. However, without the huge blood sacrifice of the Russian people in utterly defeating the Nazis there would be no western Europe. Think parallels of the Russians with the Nazis is therefore hugely inappropriate.

[@bazsnell3178]

20 million Russians died in WW2 defeating the Germans. Without them we would have lost the war.

[@NoHairMan]

The loss of their grandparents blood doesn't make the grandchildrens deeds any better. Judge Russia for what it is doing now and not what it has done decades ago.

[@DeanJuvenal]

@@NoHairMan And view the actions of Russia in the light of the attempted invasions in the past: Napoleon; the West support of “White Russian” troops attempting to overthrow the early Russian Republic; the Nazis. And now the US/A and its followers trying to run NATO military forces right up to the border with Russia.

[@ДмитрийДепутатов]

Lopez John Clark Ruth Clark Donna

[@Mbrbut]

Stop lying, please don't listen to this man. He knows nothing

[@jamesneedham6265]

Are you still upset the new lord of the rings has black people in it?

[@subcitizen2012]

You need to listen, because it's a lot closer to the truth than whatever you are believing.

[@daydays12]

What do you know? What have you published?

[@daydays12]

@@subcitizen2012 I agree with you completely. Professor Evans is a very rigorous, professional and honest historian.

[@sowelie1]

Lol deported to Serbia :-), nice slip... Greetings from Serbia

[@stswcz]

Massive amount of propaganda in this lecture.

[@jamesneedham6265]

Would you take him more seriously if he was topless and on horseback?

[@subcitizen2012]

To believe that you would need a lot more propaganda in your head. That should bother you.

[@stswcz]

Both sides generates it a lot. If you 'believe' instead of thinking, you lose

[@daydays12]

If you think that you've got a problem. Specify the things that are untrue in what Professor Evans said.

[@clovisra]

The british are the US (NATO) pr. A fall from empire to atack dog of another empire.

[@makylemur7019]

RUSSIA DELENDA EST.

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

Richard Evans has been an absolute joke for the past two years. It's sad to see a historian I once respected embrace British state propaganda, misinformation and conspiracy theories

[@khalidalansari8574]

You are full of bullisht 😂

[@indydude3367]

GO NATO! Whoops, I mean Ukraine.

[@NoHairMan]

Childish remark.

[@willyfeumba]

@@NoHairMan just the thuth ... NATO is not the power rangers

[@Dan-xt7sv]

Simplistic childish nonsense

[@noahkidd3359]

Cope harder

[@agorbogytr13]

@@noahkidd3359 Cry baby

[@jamesneedham6265]

I bet you didn't realize Bioshock was actually a criticism of the work of Ayn Rand, i know it was subtle but....

[@Dan-xt7sv]

@@jamesneedham6265 I hate Ayn Rand actually.

[@subcitizen2012]

Reactionary much?

[@M.Đ-z4u]

PROFESSOR FROM THE WEST?😂💩💩

[@jamesneedham6265]

Does Russia have professors anymore

[@SickBastard69]

@@jamesneedham6265 yes just educate yourself I dare you.

[@jamesneedham6265]

@@SickBastard69 I have, I know you might never of heard of such things but there are these things called 'books' that contain text information bound together with sources for the information normally cited in the appendix. This provide a much better level of education than even the brightest of 4 chain's trolls and conspiracy theorists.

[@jamesneedham6265]

@@SickBastard69 you could also actually watch this lecture rather than just commenting on it as you clearly haven't. Is it too long for you? Maybe Gresham can collaborate with Michael Bay to add explosions every five minutes to keep your attention.

[@SickBastard69]

@@jamesneedham6265 btw let's discuss sovereignty, Ukraine lost it's sovereignty in 2014 when US organised by Vitoria Nuland's coup in Odesa to overthrow Viktor Yanukovych and burned people to death. You correct read more books but you prefer to change history to suit your narrative of imperialisim ideology. The world has seen.

[@Odysseus88]

I don’t know what the point of this lecture was but it was ridiculous.

[@lenwilkinson672]

If they are not RUSSIAN who are they. Russians since Peter the Great

[@othmaninasri]

in the current event, When we say UKRAINE 🇺🇦 we say NATO..... all kind of sophisticated weapons are poured to UKRAINE through its neighbours. So RUSSIA is kind of feeling threatened by this , that is why they are calling for more reserve. Finally UKRAINE is a RUSSIAN territory which was split from RUSSIA because of cold war. A plan led by USA 🇺🇸 to weaken Russia 🇷🇺

[@NoHairMan]

It is Ukrainans that die and suffer in this war. They use everything they can to defend themselves. Plus Iranian drones bring death and destruction to the Ukrainian population. So excuse my little joke: In this current event, when we say RUSSIA we say Iran..... ;)

[@othmaninasri]

@@NoHairMan Well, I'm deeply sorry for the suffer that humans in Ukraine has to ho through, similar in dombass regin, similar to Palestinians similar to Afghans and Iraqis ....etc humans are humans whatever his colour, ethnicity or where he come from

[@MenachemRosenberg-n3u]

What a nonsense, learn about worldpolitics and the perestroika deception, its Russia who destabilized the West, not the other way around, watch Bezmenov and read Golitsyn what is straight from the horses mouth.

[@emilbordon1329]

I don’t GAFF about any of their wars.

[@daydays12]

you should

[@JohnKobaRuddy]

you are what is commonly known as a head in the sand type. the tsunami wave could be coming up the beach and you would put your fingers in your ears going go "lalalalalalalala"

[@MoonJulz]

Everyone should know by now 3 Ukrainian to 1 Russian what is wrong with you people?

[@javascriptcss2512]

КАК ЖЕ ВАС ОБМАНЫВАЮТ ААХХАХАХАХАХАХ

[@Anthrax6989]

Человек живущий во лжи не знает что такое обман.

[@stuartcmcd]

TAKE MORE COPIUM

[@daydays12]

@@Anthrax6989 If I understand your reply I agree. javascript has bought into the deluded lies. I think Professor Evans ( who I admire) has told the truth in a gripping lecture.

[@jamesneedham6265]

Make sure to pack sunflower seeds in your uniform

[@tyemich8820]

А им и норм что их обманывают. Главное чтобы денежка на карту жителя "первого мира" капала

[@dimonik12]

Utter tosh...

[@daydays12]

What is 'utter tosh'? Your comment is not clear.

[@dimonik12]

@@daydays12 The video... 😉

[@TheFjerstad]

Russian bot

[@ianturner9815]

Utter and complete garbage from start to finish.

[@christophwaltz8919]

fake news

[@subcitizen2012]

This is a university lecture...

[@daydays12]

NEWS? 'Hunger Plan East' news? Where have you been the past 80 years?

[@joseloayza4825]

You refuted yourself 👏 and as of 10/10/22 your “analysis” is not aging well