Sarah C. M. Paine - WW2, Taiwan, Ukraine, & Maritime vs Continental Powers

I learned so much from Sarah Paine, Professor of History and Strategy at the Naval War College.
We discuss:
- how continental vs maritime powers think and how this explains Xi & Putin's decisions
- how a war with China over Taiwan would shake out and whether it could go nuclear
- why the British Empire fell apart, why China went communist, how Hitler and Japan could have coordinated to win WW2, and whether Japanese occupation was good for Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria
- plus other lessons from WW2, Cold War, and Sino-Japanese War
- how to study history properly, and why leaders keep making the same mistakes
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Spotify: open.spotify.com/episode/073V...
Transcript: www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/sarah...
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Buy Sarah Paine's books: www.amazon.com/stores/S.-C.-M...
Timestamps
(0:00:00) - Grand strategy
(0:11:59) - Death ground
(0:23:19) - WW1
(0:39:23) - Writing history
(0:50:25) - Japan in WW2
(0:59:58) - Ukraine
(1:10:50) - Japan/Germany vs Iraq/Afghanistan occupation
(1:21:25) - Chinese invasion of Taiwan
(1:51:26) - Communists & Axis
(2:08:34) - Continental vs maritime powers

[@kraigadams]

saw a short, watched this full thing. regret nothing

[@WARZONEMOBILEPLAYER1]

Same😎

[@stevehatcher7700]

Yup, one short sent me searching for more. And the more was this 2 hour masterclass in geo-politics and history, and the global strategies that weave in between them. Wow.

[@dorsia6938]

Same

[@zeigfried007]

Same

[@im_learning_XX]

Same

[@cooterhead_jones]

Where has this lady been all my KZbin life?

[@freshtoast3879]

Biased and US based view of things, so I wouldn't call it anything special. Although it is quite a rather nice watch, for free.

[@butterchickenandnaan]

​@@freshtoast3879no shit Sherlock ,she is an American and works in a government University

[@freshtoast3879]

@butterchickenandnaan I was pointing out the inaccuracy of the original posters' viewpoint. Please don't point out obvious things..

[@butterchickenandnaan]

@@freshtoast3879 that's not how the internet works

[@freshtoast3879]

@@butterchickenandnaan OK.

[@ChairmanMeow1]

This women has two PHDs in Russian culture, and Chinese culture. An MIA from Columbia in Public Affairs, and an MA in Russian language. She also writes and works for the US Naval War College. She knows her stuff!!!

[@jim9930]

Did you hear ONE quote from the creator of mankind? Have you heard ONE quote from any world leader lately? WHY NOT ?!? Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh. Proverbs 1; 24-26 May 21, 2011 was the beginning of judgement day on the world { you were warned } And it shall come to pass in that day, a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor. Zechariah 14;13 'Tumult' = disbelief & confusion ...the answer: They are deliberately and purposefully blinded by the Lord. Ignorance and then even contempt. Division is the result for the destruction of mankind! God has 'given up' mankind to his own sins as punishment. Romans chapter 1 lists 23 ... Look around? ...followed world events lately? Division is worldwide in religions, politics, economics, industry, news, sports, entertainment, medicine, and even between the sexes. The Lord is known by the judgement which he executeth, the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. Psalm 9;16 Fear, and the pit, and the snare are upon thee O inhabitant of the earth. Isaiah 24;17 Yes, the Lord has already begun ruling the nations with a rod of iron (NOT for their good) ...professing themselves to be wise, they became as fools READ THE BOOK ! ...or should have

[@manuelkim7064]

No she does not.

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

@@manuelkim7064 What a great argument.

[@ChairmanMeow1]

@@manuelkim7064 Google her, dork.

[@ThePredilection]

I love her

[@thomasesau2376]

I sincerely wish (hope) that Dr Paine could have a weekly (or monthly) video for KZbin. This is the most cogent, articulate, and intelligent lecture on Global Strategic concepts that I've ever heard. It makes me wish The Naval War College had a community college off sight night classes.

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

Yea last time i saw a intelectual i really respected like this has to be Robert Sapolsky

[@stephlovemiller]

😂

[@I_am_a_cat_]

Nah you gotta pay for that, or sign up for the navy lmao.

[@cvr527]

Not even close unless you do not have a solid foundation in history. She is wrong about just as many things she is right about.

[@maggiegrande3454]

She is definitely a national treasure.

[@derrickmarais]

Whenever the moderator asks a Zeihan style speculative question and she just says "I don't know". I appreciate that.

[@rjb9715]

Totally agree! Now we know why we never see her on cable news! All of their supposed “experts” are constantly opining on topics they don’t know the answer to but get paid to speculate. Ugh…

[@TheBlackAtlas]

My dad told me this a long time ago. "It's ok to say, I don't know"

[@jeffbybee5207]

This moderate is definitely liberal talking about Russians hating Stalin for his perges. But they feared him and the organized communist party. No leadership could step up with out getting shot. The tanks weren't great just good enough amd many of them

[@derrickmarais]

​@@TheBlackAtlas Most "experts" never got that lesson.

[@johngormley2192]

It is so under appreciated in this time. For someone to have the honesty and say that is not my area. I watched one short and then this whole video as well.

[@mattp.4329]

I had forgotten what it was like to actually learn things from a person who actually wants to teach them

[@Immigrantlovesamerica]

She’s the dumbest historian I’ve ever heard

[@VT-mw2zb]

I mean, she's a Professor with a PhD. She's better be that good or the Naval War College is wasting money.

[@Immigrantlovesamerica]

@@VT-mw2zb Did you not just hear what she said in this QA?? She said some of the dumbest things ive ever heard.

[@MrSTAYUP33]

@@Immigrantlovesamerica what did you find dumb?

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

@@Immigrantlovesamerica Like what?

[@antoniospappas2575]

The professor snatched a good interview out of the jaws of these questions.

[@mikemccarthy1638]

A cool flip of the old sports expression, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory . . . 😮

[@marka1000]

Dwarkesh kept asking the wrong questions and she was so keen on them to pivot to where she has expertise on. It shows incredible experience on her part to narrow down the topics to where she has such a profound knowledge and insight on and keep the conversation going. I gotta read her books.

[@karlkobler218]

Right?! He’s dripping in that super annoying isolationist undertone. He would have been the first to give up the Sudetenland in 1938.

[@bloodonthesnow]

Yeah I don't get why this guy has a following. He comes across so obnoxiously as an interviewer.

[@segua]

He’s new to questioning. She works at the naval academy. She’s guiding him for the future not her presence. He brought me to her. Not the other way around and now that I found her and I’m enthralled. He learned how to ask question. We learned about a genius that we never knew existed

[@rhd-cb5tr]

Professor Sarah C. M. Paine is clearly one of the most intelligent, knowledgeable, and articulate person in the world. First, she properly states the issues, ignoring the original (poorly stated) question. Second, the depth of her knowledge is breathtaking. Third, the answers are clearly stated with the key details.

[@BrightBlueJim]

Fourth, she tells you when she isn't qualified to answer your question.

[@yaoliang1580]

She's also very good at distorting information to fool her naive and ignorant followers on issues regarding China.

[@MoosGoCow1]

Hardly. There’s a lot of stuff that she gets wrong, specifically about Taiwan, China, and Japan. The Russian stuff is debatable in my opinion.

[@BrightBlueJim]

@@MoosGoCow1 Without any specific rebuttal, it's hard to assign any value for your comment. You might as well have just said, "I disagree."

[@Khangel]

“I can make bad spelling errors in numerous languages”. Her comment on reading source materials in the original languages. So much respect for her!

[@GreenTimeEagle]

My friend put me onto this and it is mind blow after mind blow. Also, a previous comment here so ignorant is that she is just American biased. Well yes but also the whole comment about sources in native languages! What a gem she is!

[@jordanchen23]

​​@@GreenTimeEagleher word count to impact ratio is very impressive.

[@freemason4979]

Why are most of the US academics poorly spoken, f.x. compared to OxBridge academics ?

[@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero]

The depth of this woman's historical understanding and it's accompanying context is nothing short of awe inspiring. What a brilliant human. Thank you to everyone responsible for making this publicly available. It was genuinely a public service. Gratitude.

[@carlosux]

that’s what’s taking me in as well. this level of expertise is inspiring.

[@Vzzdak]

Something she overlooked was that the 1979 invasion of NK was a ploy with two goals: 1) Solidify the USA as an economic ally, and 2) waste a body of soldiers who were a political threat to the government's absolute control. Something people don't understand about Taiwan invasion is that it will occur IF the government needs a political distraction to justify government control, and/or needs to get rid of its own soldiers.

[@anypercentdeathless]

Yes, gratitude to her. He ruins the whole video.

[@harnessriscallous7466]

She's actually a govt paid propagandist. But she does know some history, which is why she's actually good at her job.

[@washuneluvhada7616]

Awe inspiring to the ignorant

[@reee1397]

as a Taiwanese when heard she said "Taiwanese don't have this bitterness about Japan that the Koreans do" I was really amaze by her understanding about our history. It's such a subtle thing to know. and the U.S. decision-making process is very important for Taiwanese to understand. Because we face such huge problems and need to understand our allies better. I would love to share this podcast to all my friend but some of them doesn't understand English that well. It would be great if there were Chinese subtitles.

[@willywonka4340]

Sarah living in Taiwan and China for 3 years each sure helped formed her opinions and the vast esoteric knowledge she gained on the nuances of Taiwan/Japan relationships. This must have something to do with whom she spent some quality time with-the benshengrens (lol). These people had their roots on the island as far back as the 1600s and lived through the Imperial Japanese occupation period (1895-1945) and were treated well by the Japanese colonizers: they built the current infrstructures on the island that still exists today and propped up the local economy that the former Qing colonizers never bothered doing. The Chinese then viewed Taiwan as a backwater island occupied by belligerent "savages" (aborigines) and because of their bellicose resistance to Qing rule, they never had the full administration of the island except the western coastal plains. Conversely, the minority waishengrens who migrated to Taiwan post 1949, at least the older generations who still recalled the Japanese atrocities they experienced while still living on the mainland, passed this resentment and hatred down to their younger generations, and have nothing but vengeful things to say about Japan, identical of that shared on the mainland. 🤷‍♂️

[@Mortablunt]

I have no idea how she can supposedly be an Eastern Europe expert and yet be completely wrong and utterly clueless about Russia, and yet intimately understand Taiwan. Maybe it’s called being paid to put things in that way. And I seriously never ever thought. I would see a person apologize Imperial Japan of all things! Oh, and then she has the nerve to say communism is a failure and horrible after the communist rebuild all of central and eastern Europe following World War II, and killed a tiny fraction of the people in that area versus what Japan did to Taijuan while also exterminating the culture! Oh, and the land reform thing being why Kai-shek lost the Civil War is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard! A G E N D A

[@scrtwpnx]

Yea you guys are cucked af

[@kayumochi]

I lived in Japan for almost 20 years and have a Japanese wife and noticed the same thing. And it goes both ways, I have never heard a Japanese person speak ill of Taiwan or Taiwanese but have heard the worst about Chinese and Koreans.

[@willywonka4340]

@@kayumochi Agree. I wouldn't be surprised that the Japanese living on the main island during the Imperial colonization era before 1945 viewed the Formosans no different than that of their view of the Okinawans. They were both Japanese citizens albeit second rate, but citizens nevertheless. FWIW.

[@Lengescp]

Rarely seen somebody asking questions that are that ill phrased and not prepared. She is constantly rephrasing this interview to keep it on point

[@sattyre6892]

That isn't really a fair diagnosis. In order to rephrase and ask better questions, you would need to know the material and the subject matter which would require an interview prior to this one. It goes back to the unknown, unknowns.

[@I_am_a_cat_]

​@@sattyre6892 nah this guy sucks

[@zeytelaloi]

Yeah it was frustrating to listen to

[@yilunli7374]

Yeah man the interviewer is quite ignorant about history😂

[@joannasowinska6789]

I am Polish - what she said about Eastern Europe and NATO is 100% true! We cannot not live our lives because of how Russians feel.

[@forzaacmilan36]

Well Poland should have never burned down Moscow in the first place. It’s called PTSD

[@crymp2057]

Seriously that's over 400 years ago. Is that event really still relevant in modern Russian society?​@@forzaacmilan36

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

​@@forzaacmilan36 No. You can not justify current action based on something happening in 1611. If these people with "PTSD" died 400 years ago you can't use it as a argument for anything current.

[@pinkithink3757]

@@forzaacmilan36is that a bit or are you actually that genuinely stupid?

[@Epoch11]

It's not so much the Russian people but instead is the Russian leadership who want to put back into place a new kind of Soviet Union.

[@evillemike2009]

There's nothing better than having somebody who really knows her subject explain important stuff to me. Best 2 ½ hours I've spent in while.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

this could be better if professor has a visual vtuber anime avatar instead of older lady.

[@Jonra1]

@@aSSGoblin1488 How on earth does that improve anything? What a stupid take.

[@Nill757]

Go workout or build something for two hours. Mistake to trust her. I like her too, but these people don’t pay for consequences. If Elon Musks car company went bankrupt from bad cars, or all SpaceX rockets failed, he’d be forgotten and justly blamed for foolishness, and regardless of how smart he was. Not these academics though. They can be wildly wrong, and she is about Russia, no consequences, ever, as long as they have a good pitch.

[@thomascook7948]

@@Jonra1I think he was joking

[@YouHaveAIDS]

Does she? American wars under her time would say her and her colleagues are fools.

[@svitlana1500]

This woman is incredible. I am Ukrainian, and everything she said about Ukraine is incredibly accurate, which gives me confidence in trusting her opinions and conclusions about other countries she discussed. Thank you for bringing Sara Paine to KZbin. However, the interviewer seems to have a learning curve ahead of him, but it's a good start. I would suggest he ask fewer 'What if' questions and better connect his questions with Sara's previous answers. It seems like he had a prepared list of questions and didn't adjust them regardless of Sara's responses. Additionally, the interviewer inserted many personal opinions and giggles into his questions, which was distracting. Regardless of that, it is absolutely worth spending 2.5 hours listening to Sara Paine talking.

[@orestovich]

В одному вона помиляється З її слів " коли росія стане демократичною і зміниться уряд , ми знову запросимо її в світову інтеграцію . Ага , вона піде , намолотить лаве, зміцнить армію і знову буде нападати на сусідів . Тільки повний розвал цієї πедераціїї , інакше все по новому. Слава Україні, Слава ЗСУ, Слава Залужному! 💪💪💪🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@propsychobably]

I was hoping for a question about foreign ownership of land ownership in Ukraine. She says the military aid is inexpensive (relative to WW III?) but who is benefitting?

[@derekflynn9644]

The interviewer put forward typical maga/kremlin talking points and she destroyed them easily and made him look like a chump.

[@svitlana1500]

@@propsychobably what do you mean by that? What foreign ownership question do you have?

[@svitlana1500]

@@derekflynn9644 I think, Kremlin’s propaganda narratives must be brought during the interview and answered by an educated pro-western person, otherwise the internet will be filled with answers only from pro-russian speakers.

[@samuelgaenz3843]

This is great. This is what someone who genuinely knows geopolitics sounds like. Even her language and her cadence show her depth of knowledge. Would love to see lots more videos with her.

[@smartereveryday]

Bookmarking this to watch later. She is incredible, and it must have been an honor to have this conversation with her.

[@DwarkeshPatel]

Huge fan! Really flattered to learn you listen!

[@James-kp8mg]

You're clearly uneducated if you believe she's incredible.

[@k20nutz]

What did you think of it? This is incredibly though provoking for me.

[@gregorybrennan8539]

Dude, you are way too sappy.

[@peekaboopeekaboo1165]

​@@DwarkeshPatel Japan didn't invade "Manchuria" ... they invaded China in order to occupy it ! Then later set-up their puppet state of "Manchukuo" .

[@ajwaddanwarr3409]

What I love the most about her is that she speaks like an elder statesman who wants to ready the next generation rather than talking down to them. Its like I spent a lifetime studying and here is what I learned, now its your turn to go study.

[@JundArbiter]

she talks like someone who loves history and just wants to talk about it after accumulating like 60 years of knowledge

[@unclereub4024]

well she is a professor at the naval war college, so i'd say that assessment is spot on.

[@farzana6676]

Free Palestine from Hamas...

[@argentum530]

@@farzana6676 Off topic but to do that, Palestinians Must reject Hamas. No one else can end the terror between Israel and Hamas. A war only trains the next generations... on both sides.

[@dominikvonlavante6113]

@@argentum530 It is all a bit more complex. Both parties are equally bad agents. Isreal for unapologetically creating an "Untermensch" caste in society and actively engaging in appartheid against the Palestinians. The Palestinians are equally to blame to for not accepting that they lost, TWICE, and are now Israeli citizens. They have repeatedly forgone all possibilities for independence through their deliberate actions and multiple wars losing against Israel.

[@Ericisnotachannel]

I love Dr. Paine. In this video I love that so many answers starting with caveat, " A) I don't know, B) [In depth opinion]"

[@PhilipZeplinDK]

Incredibly fascinating! Absolutely in love with this woman and her clarity!

[@vivianbenge2331]

This interviewer seems intent on asking 'what if' questions rooted in fantasy and lack of historical knowledge and political understanding. Dr. Paine does a great job of bringing it back to the real processes and concepts that are foundational to understanding.

[@patrickpullman8348]

She's very patient with him.

[@dlifedt]

Yea I'd prefer to see Lex interview her

[@tryagainnoob101]

I was thinking exactly the same. Instead of extracting her knowledge to understand "what was and what is" and how we got here, he asks an historian, "what will". Also, he has a lot of information, names, dates, stuff... But he doesnt connect the dots and ends up having what sounds like "immature views" in some cases. Either way, I appreciate his humility to listen and correct course. Good vid.

[@anypercentdeathless]

And interviewers can't keep replying with "but," "but," "but." (Valley girl accents don't help, either.)

[@Lunchbox58]

​@tryagainnoob101 my thoughts exactly.

[@DannyBoy443]

The most insightful thing she said is hearing her correct him in saying "Well, lets not call it stupid because that writes off their reasoning" That's MASSIVE maturity. That's the stuff Bob Iger starts w/ if you buy him lunch for an hour of his time lol.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

the disney guy? what does that havr to do with

[@Hirohito_iLoveYou]

@@aSSGoblin1488lmao wth is bro yapping off about 😂💀

[@DannyBoy443]

@@aSSGoblin1488 It's something he'd say. If you can afford it, you can book time w/ him for business advice. He has a Masterclass too but that's a side business since he left Disney. He's like $10k an hour or something lol.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

@@DannyBoy443 yikes. i dont think its dinner anymore but influence you are buying. i hope! just like you hire politicians to speak at a dinner gala

[@DannyBoy443]

@@aSSGoblin1488 True enough lol. Besides Eisner, he fixed Disney and oversaw most of the Marvel growth. And setup the streaming.

[@piotrpekala7641]

After listening to Tucker Carlson's conversation with Alexander Dugin- which nearly gave me a brain cancer- I've found this interview particularly refreshing and curing.

[@jonatinoo]

I'm so glad I've come across this lady from my KZbin shorts. Absolutely brilliant.

[@sydneynorton5148]

So refreshing to hear this type of conversation outside of a classroom. Please do more

[@niarlatotepbasset]

If you like warmongers like her, then yeah...you also have them on tv, less classy, but nevertheless the same warmongering narrative.

[@altaydogahan342]

I like her emphasis on the human cost and suffering whenever he asks her to make a value judgment or comparison of policy or events. That shows that she has a decent moral core. People going into political fields often do not have that attribute and think mechanically because their foundation does not come from any doctrine of ethics. We have to recognize whenever discussing politics or history that real people suffered and died. We can't even comprehend the numbers we are discussing, so we detach ourselves because most of us won't even meet with more than a few thousand people in our lives. We won't ever see what a million people even look like. Millions become just numbers.

[@jeffbybee5207]

Fdr was a socialist he thought Stalin was fine

[@jeffbybee5207]

FDR's weakness lead to the war in the Pacific, just as chamberlins weakness lead to the European war.

[@TeknoTim2002]

Yes, you could see how Patel the questioner would ask common questions and narratives, and her responses are spot on. Like should the USA and UK have done as General Patton suggested and fought the Soviet Army to "liberate" East Germany, Poland and maybe the Baltics, Austria, Hungary and Czechoslavakia, or should the Western democracies have supported the White Russians to oppose the Bolsheviks, or wasn't Stalin a greater murderer than Hitler, or was dropping atomic bombs over Japan the right thing to do, or would a land invasion be the right strategy to save lives?

[@peterc4082]

@@TeknoTim2002 The Whites would have been helped by Poland, the only country to actually defeat the Soviet Union in 1920. But the Whites wanted to recreate the Russian empire and enslave Poland. Hence we didn't help them. Note that Lenin was helped and sent to Russia by the Germans. The Germans created the monster of communist Russia. The Bolsheviks were aided by American money from New York. It's funny also how Red China was essentially made by Japan. In inflicting such heavy losses on KMT (and KMT on them) the Japanese allowed the Red to take over China. Now I suppose if PRC decides to attack Japan it will be their own chickens coming home to roost.

[@Nill757]

That right? Lot of soaring morality there. What then should US policy be? Ukraine war, nato? Because you provided nothing

[@AlexSanLyra]

This was one of the most enlightening videos I've seen on KZbin in years. Amazing work! And I only heard of Sarah Paine now, but she's a world-class treasure!

[@stephenbrown3760]

I wish she had more lectures on you tube or any other platform, this is history education at its finest

[@kennethcargill3512]

I thought I would watch a few minutes of this and go to bed. It's now 12:39 AM and I regret nothing. Her insight about Maritime vs Continental strategies is fantastic and makes total sense.

[@mitanni0]

00:40 in my time zone. Didn't miss - nor regret - a minute. Fantastic content!

[@AngelitaDanes]

The same here in Denmark 😆🤣 She’s too so amazing

[@mattng4707]

She so fascinating and the way she conveys information is excellent

[@BrightBlueJim]

That's something that up until about an hour ago was an unknown unknown. I had never even thought about the U.S. being a maritime country, much less how that affects its place in the world.

[@Magnus12k]

Americans are lucky to have such professors, I wish more people would be curious about the history of the world and especially about dictators and their thinking.

[@niarlatotepbasset]

You believe that WEF mouthpiece for real...I pity your naivety.

[@marca7542]

@@niarlatotepbassetah yes, another contrarian troll who lives on conspiracy theories and distrusts actual facts and facts

[@conductingchaos7710]

Unfortunately we live in a time where, in many places, in many schools of thought, learning is a bad thing. You want to learn about the horrors of the past and the atrocities of evil men like these dictators? You must be some sort of fascist then, why else would you want to learn more? Some people just want everything bad to be expunged and redacted so we can be doomed to repeat what history would otherwise teach us not to do.

[@TeknoTim2002]

@@niarlatotepbasset We the vast majority pity your ignorance. You could not possibly have studied modern history and political science at a nationally ranked university, and then spent years in the National Archives in Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo and London like she did, and worked your way up in academic circles to be instructing at the world's top naval academy. So don't expect anyone to agree with you. We listen to experts, not trolls.

[@mootpointjones8488]

The problem is when Trump returns to the White House he aint listening to her or them.

[@romlyn99]

Through history, most diplomats spoke multiple languages. And she is 100% correct that reading a lot and learning a different language does effect how you think and how you view the world. Reading fiction, taught me to use my imagination and it also taught me what I love and what I hate. Having lived in Japan for 22 years, taught me how to argue in Japanese, how to love in Japanese and that made me culturally Japanese. So adding those ticks to your being. Living long term in another country, helps you understand a different way of being. Listen to Sarah C. M. Paine, she has so much wisdom.

[@jimgravesus]

She is so intelligent and informed. What a pleasure to listen to her.

[@_OscarIvan]

Damn, she is so smart, I could listen to her for hours. And the fact that she won’t comment on things she doesn’t have a background on speaks volumes!

[@BrightBlueJim]

That's my big take-away from this. One of them.

[@jbw9769]

"Let's try North Korea... the country that has starvation in the 21st century. Howwwww diiiiiiiiiiid you do it?" She went in so hard on NK I screamed.... LOL😂🤣😂

[@pjt3887]

They stayed over 50,000 ++ of their own people and still counting. 😢

[@aSSGoblin1488]

100% correct. professor could also have a vtuber anime avatar instead of older lady irl

[@aSSGoblin1488]

1:06:00 cute intelligent anime waifu sass

[@willmcpherson2]

I came to the comments for this exactly xD

[@abhia1311]

You don't even realise the propaganda when it's fed to you. US is the biggest propagandists of all. Of course you will say no because you believe there is still starvation in North Korea because petals Washington Post told you so , a media funded by CIA as well

[@marquenjoubert]

Paine is an incredibly graceful and knowledgable guest.

[@relevantusername3342]

For all this woman's vast knowledge, she is still quick to say "I don't know." I greatly appreciate that about her. She shows what she knows and openly tells us when she doesn't.

[@ryanwiseman665]

I cant believe I'm saying this about a 2.5 hour long podcast but I wish it was longer. She reminds me of my favorite history teacher I had growing up. Incredibly insightful, intelligent and you can tell she really cares. Awesome interview

[@JoshFriedlander]

She’s marvelous. The combination of brutal candor, wry humor, and willingness to seriously entertain all these hypotheticals is … chef’s kiss.

[@InnuendoXP]

Honestly & some of these questions were bordering on "but what if the C&C Red Alert or Wolfenstein timelines were real??!"

[@JohnRay1969]

I saw several shorts and I was intrigued by the both of you and I had to watch this video. It took three sittings but I couldn't watch anything else till I finished it. She is amazing and the combination of your great well informed questions and her knowledge and intuitive responses was riveting. The way you so obviously appreciate her work is charming. Well worth the time.

[@asakurad]

What a brilliant teacher. I wish I could sit in her classes everyday.

[@danialeatherman8934]

Me too. And I’m real glad she teaches where she does

[@5fingerjack]

I started seeing shorts from this and got inspired to listen to the whole thing. How refreshing to know there are high level thinkers out there planning, teaching and creating stability and growth.

[@solomanneil]

same, good job algorithms

[@atomm3331]

Same same. Glad I found this.

[@liamstanton6053]

I really like this lady she speaks on such a level that is so accurate and advanced but also so accessible to the average person

[@icyr0bin-794]

i mean shes a teacher at one of the best schools in the US so

[@100AngelBoy]

@@icyr0bin-794 Best school doesn't mean best teachers. She is very knowledgeable and an excellent teacher/researcher

[@annnee6818]

You can tell she's really understood it

[@Kristbjorg-Nymann]

Prof. Sarah Paine is a GEM! Good Lord who has been hiding this amazing woman?!!

[@HeartIIess]

What an incredible mind. Being able to deconstruct his questions to ask better ones that include context. Amazing watch, thank you for sharing!

[@nathanielgritzman6961]

This is the best 2.5 hours on recent history ive ever spent. This is phenomenal. Sarah Paine is possibly one of the greatest historians ive ever run across. Thank you very much for creating this content.

[@SworBeyE16]

She’s rather worryingly ignorant for someone in such a prestigious position. She seems totally unaware of the events of the 1930s and buildup to war. She then goes on to repeat popular myths like the necessity of the atomic bombs for ending the war with Japan. That’s just for starters

[@Zomo1553]

​@@SworBeyE16 yeh she has a very specific selective memory

[@AtlantiansGaming]

@@SworBeyE16that isn’t a ‘myth’ nor a ‘popular myth’. On the contrary, folks like you rely on the popularity of condemning the bombings to advocate against them using anachronistic hindsight through rose-tinted glasses.

[@El...Presidente]

I learned so much, I’m gonna read all her shit

[@devkrovil9331]

​@@SworBeyE16I'm sure you'd do much better, lmao.

[@bolivarrubiano5798]

WOW!!! What just happened to 2 1/2 hours of my life!!! This video is outstanding, I was mesmerized by Mrs. Paine wide knowledge and understating of the political, economic, social, military, etc.!!!!!! Thanks for posting this!!!!

[@danrosario2888]

She's fucking brilliant

[@danielheckel2755]

Dr. Paine

[@kathyboschen6719]

Professor Paine

[@LawrenceReitan]

She is GOLD, really appreciate her intellectual posture. This is how an analyst or historian should speak, also our politicians should speak like that. Clear, to the point and when things are dubious, say "I don't know"

[@nigelwiseman8644]

How has this fantastic person only just appeared on my youtube? Her mental clarity is astounding.

[@Financeification]

Her clarity of thought is off the charts

[@jacobp8294]

Individuals like this are really great at structuring the whole sentence before they even start speaking it. It's clear she chooses her words with great precision.

[@euclidesribeiro8810]

Here I am writing an article on the disadvantages of monolinguism to literary history research, and the various types of multilingual elites, and she goes "oh, primary sources are fundamental, I read them very slowly". She is the hero Gotham needs and deserves

[@douglaswilkinson5700]

I speak 5 languages (excluding Classic Middle Egyptian and Coptic.) I am an aerospace engineer. Am I one of multilingual elite?

[@euclidesribeiro8810]

@@douglaswilkinson5700 you are man, that is cool

[@PhilosoraptorXJ]

I am extremely jealous of people whose brains can wrap themselves around multiple languages. I’m a fluent English speaker, and I’m somewhat conversational in Spanish, but I’ve been learning Chinese (my wife is mainland Chinese) and I just cannot wrap my head around it or memorize any of the words or phrases I learn.

[@annnee6818]

​@@douglaswilkinson5700 I guess if you want

[@Krannski]

​@@douglaswilkinson5700 why do you need Classic Middle Egyptian and Coptic for aerospace engineering? Is it because the pyramids were made by aliens?

[@zeldamage001]

Really glad Sarah brings compassion into the conversation. It's easy when talking about history to see human lives as mere numbers

[@danielroberts8721]

Excellent, both individuals. Sarah Paine utterly astonishing. She provides really powerful intellectual perspectives on social structure, and geopolitical strategy. I could listen to her all day.

[@cory849]

I'm really not crazy about the interviewer. Needs to slow down and enunciate (and maybe ask fewer questions about hypothetical counterfactuals) But I'm in awe of Sarah C. Paine. Brilliant and so engaging.

[@wessjr08]

I agree. Basically he should have her expand on each question and ask half as many.

[@stevehatcher7700]

He did ask some fantastic questions though. With some rounded context and nuance before he got to the core of the question. For someone not as well versed as her on these topics, he did a great job of pulling her where she needed to go to fill his gaps.

[@TehKarmalizer]

@@stevehatcher7700 I agree. He’s not an expert by any means, but his questions were solid, and she is great at picking up a question and expand its scope.

[@greendogg83]

The rambling and unfinished sentences are quite irritating, he needs to slow down, perhaps sticking to a script would help him. I suspect he is slightly in awe and nervous, which is understandable, but I do think he could do better

[@user-lz4og7ki4l]

Fully in agreement. I was doing the washing up while listening to the video. This tempo sounds unprofessional at the level.

[@ContagiousD]

She modified each of his questions, ignored some completely, and wrote off others entirely. Perfect. Amateurism has its place in allowing more conversations to take place and get started, but it also has some severe drawbacks. She did a great job of steering around the drawbacks, and avoided wild speculation. 10/10 to Sarah Paine

[@adonis8289]

Yeah, maybe he's just intimidated.

[@colingenge9999]

He’s asking the dumb questions that know-nothings ask.

[@himadrimandal8548]

Lmao alright ​@@colingenge9999

[@pax6833]

@@colingenge9999 Same thought. A bunch of dumb questions. Some of them felt very leading too. Like he wanted certain answers.

[@Loyal_Lion]

I'll say it. This interviewer sucks.

[@tfs1502]

If this woman is helping to educate our future military leaders, I say that bodes well for us all. If only she could help educate the masses as well, who need it as much or more.

[@DP-8964]

this was one of the best 2.5 hours I ever spent.

[@franksizzllemann5628]

It's like you need to spend 7.5 hours taking notes and absorbing it. In the long run you save time because she's covered the history with impeccable accuracy so you'll hardly need to watch most YT tie-ins between history and current events.

[@willdeth3054]

I think a conversation between Sarah and Peter Zeihan concerning Russia, China and Ukraine would be very fascinating.

[@j.dunlop8295]

Definitely, absolutely sure P. Zeihan knows of her and has read her books!

[@gregorybrennan8539]

Has anything Peter Zelhan said come true? Is there anything important?

[@mitchyoung93]

Ignorance squared

[@Samlind]

I think a seriously interesting conversation would be Perun and Sarah on an agreed to subject giving them both time to prepare.

[@jacobnewson480]

@@gregorybrennan8539Russia invaded Ukraine. Pretty much when he said they would

[@DannyBoy443]

This is fantastic. She's almost giving him therapy through dropping little life lessons. Seriously one of the best conversations I've seen between generations.

[@Godfrey544]

This isn’t a debate

[@DannyBoy443]

@@Godfrey544 🤣🤣🤣

[@Godfrey544]

@@DannyBoy443 no i mean its not. its more like an interview. Or a general podcast conversation.

[@DannyBoy443]

@@Godfrey544 Yes, I agree.

[@zackaerith1872]

Professor Paine is very insightful, well read, firm, no nonsense, and knowledgeable. And I have to admire her patience especially on half court tennis pov that Prof Paine pretty much pointed out at the interviewer which I fully agree upon. Regardless, thanks to this content that I came across her material.

[@spectrvm24]

2,5 hours well spent. What an absolutely pleasure it must be to attend the lectures of professor Paine. Few academics can communicate complex insights as clearly as her, while placing them in the bigger picture. And my hat off to you as well Dwarkesh. An interview is only as good as the questions asked. And you really did your homework.

[@zappababe8577]

She has the answers right at her fingertips! What an incredibly intelligent, knowledgeable and wise lady.

[@paulborst4724]

*She's amazing, a rare gem. I hope our government is paying attention and listening to her.*

[@tonyclifton2230]

She is not. She assumes so much it just makes a nonsense of that she says. Listen to john mersheimer he is light years ahead of this.

[@paulborst4724]

@@tonyclifton2230 The soft sciences have their statistical limitations and assumptions like any other field of study. NOTHING is without some assumption.

[@CastielWillow]

I could listen to Dr. Paine talk forever. Fascinating and refreshing.

[@zakz310]

As someone from Ukraine, thanks to the chanell for posting this interview and special thanks to professor Paine for analysis, depth and breaking certain provocative narratives in a factual and respectful manner. I wish I'd see more such content on youtube.

[@texamethasone]

This is quite simply the best conversation on foreign policy I've ever heard! Sarah Paine is amazing! Thank you!

[@dawson62121]

Couldn’t agree more! You should have her on regularly. ❤

[@user-gp1sg9mo2i]

Fantastic interview. Can't believe she kept this up for 2 1/2 hours.

[@reflectingtrees]

Absolute treasure this lady

[@saml9581]

The sign of a true scholar is not the summary of what they know, but to admit when they do not!. Wonderful podcast!!

[@SuiLagadema]

I literally feel like I'm back in basic training in our class times. Having NCOs, field level officers and higher ranking officers teaching us from how to properly do bounding to overall strategy of theoretical wars.

[@michaelrodgers435]

Fell asleep then. Can’t get enough of it now lol.

[@Gezajozsi]

Went from shorts to the whole thing. Great interview. Lectures from Ms. Paine would be a class I'd take any day.

[@skeemeastwood9075]

Saw the shorts, looked for this and listened to it all the way through. Thank you this was so interesting. Your questions and folow up questiins were great and she speaks w such precise, clear easy to understand answers.. this was the best thing ive listened to in a long time.

[@johnwalsh4857]

Love sarah Paine, her books are concise clear straight to the point and hit to the central nerve. Very very good.

[@johnnysunshine3474]

Sarah Paine, what a great historian and presenter. This woman has a great way of explaining history so well.

[@joekajiya]

Amazing discussion. Why don't we have people of Professor Paine's caliber running for high office...

[@James-kp8mg]

The trash we have are exactly like her. What were you listening to?

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

They would get bogged down by people who do not want them in power...

[@maxburns9278]

Humbleness and Humility, two traits politicians lack.

[@pablobeltran3028]

people of high calibre always gets demolished by IDIOTS, WOKE, SELFISH , evil ETC POLITICIANS!!!

[@tomjeff1743]

She's not a sociopath

[@matthewdegroot1201]

Blown away by this person. Such insight and depth of knowledge!

[@jsmith7348]

Ppl like this need to be our teachers and leaders

[@niarlatotepbasset]

There already are warmongers like her in the leading positions. I admire your naivety and lack of knowledge on her.

[@jsmith7348]

@@niarlatotepbasset So she’s a warmonger cuz why ? She doesn’t think Russia should be able to just annex neighboring countries like the nazis ?

[@TeknoTim2002]

@@jsmith7348 Yes, the whiner (not you) who questions your comment is a less educated, misinformed troll who doesn't like hearing the truth espoused so logically to such a large reception. It's dangerous for the Kremlin for the world to realize their murderous intentions.

[@J-manli]

One of life’s biggest ironies is that those who genuinely deserve power often times don’t seek it. And those that abuse power intentionally seek it.

[@millsykooksy4863]

She is a teacher

[@woongah]

"I read slowly, with big dictionaries" - as someone who tried and failed to learn kanji, I appreciate her pain.

[@Pyrokan]

Yeah, I feel you. Using alphabet is just widely different than using pictograms. Even trying to find a kanji you don't understand in dictionary is a challenge

[@2thabankk]

Ive watched this twice. I could listen to this professor talk all day. 10/10

[@dainomite]

i could listen to this lady all day. wow. she's so knowledgeable and enthusiastic it's infectious!

[@ColinWPLewis]

I really enjoyed listening to Professor Paine. My goodness what a wonderful teacher. A few glitches in the video transitioning , but otherwise thank you for allowing Professor Paine to speak and share her knowledge. Amazing

[@Michal235]

It's so refreshing to listen to a Westerner that understands the dynamics of Eastern/Central Europe. As a Polish person I highly recommend this interview.

[@brianmead7556]

Just completely neglecting how y’all refused to let Russia into the union or into NATO and then impoverished it for over a decade and killed tens to hundreds of thousands of people by sponsoring terrorist groups in it and then wondering why Russia is unhappy with us and not interested in our bullshit.

[@grimwaltzman]

I feel you. Average westoid has such a limited understanding of the situation listening to them is almost physically painful. This woman was a delight to listen to.

[@yidiandianpang]

​@@grimwaltzmanOf course most people are not specialists which is why we need to vote for competent people of character, not "those who agree with us."

[@boxcutter0]

Interesting how within Europe you refer to “Westerner” to distinguish Western Europe, but although we acknowledge that clarification as an American I’m more likely to refer to most of Europe in regards to “Western civilization”, focusing of recent history, cooperation & trajectory…

[@SW-lw6mt]

A beautiful mind, I love listening to these kinds of discussions. It's so important to learn some historical context in order to understand what's happening today. I'm glad there are people like her teaching future leaders.

[@Dalibansoldier]

You are consistently able to get brilliant guests! This is quickly becoming my favourite podcast.

[@DwarkeshPatel]

Thank you!

[@rd9102]

This video should be mandatory viewing for all Americans, so much wisdom and intellect. Nicely done.

[@crashito_x]

Just discovered this channel, wow , nice, with so much misinformation around having someone grounded is something that I appreciate greatly

[@mattryser9764]

Thank you Dwarkesh for the great conversation. I saw a clip of this and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of this conversation. You earned a subscriber and I look forward to watching more videos in the future.

[@telluwide5553]

I'm a big fan of Peter Zeihan and never heard of this professor until I saw a short, then clicked on to this over 2 hours of brilliant strategic history. Well done! Thank you!

[@democracydignityhumanrights]

I haven’t finished this whole clip (about 15 minutes in) but I’ve seen this gal before and I like her a lot more than Zeihan. Zeihan is smart but he’s corrupted and not always honest. I might disagree with Sarah on some things but so far what I’ve seen from her is very objectively based. I feel like I could talk to her and she would like me even while disagreeing with me and not see me as an enemy. Where as Zeihan would maybe like me, he would still totally see me as an enemy, despite the fact in my view him and I do agree on some core things. I got keyed into that by his dishonest portrayal of Bernie Sanders, like him or don’t, there’s no reason ever to exaggerate what Bernie is when you know as much about the world as Zeihan does, which told me he is being deliberately dishonest and not just reactionary. The fact of the matter is Bernie is a moderate in every single other western country, even conservatives in those countries agree 60 to 70% with Bernie depending on the country, but Zeihan acted as if Bernie is some kind of radical. I’ve also heard him preach China doomerism but China despite being awful in my mind still succeeds and manages as a country, which is precisely why we should take them seriously as a threat, however in terms of them actually invading Taiwan I think it’s unlikely anytime soon, they just don’t have the capability. They will however and are focusing on building up their navy and naval infrastructure to take control of the South China Sea, that will happen before it becomes possible to know if they will invade Taiwan or not. The problem with China and part of why we should never underestimate them is they have the most important resource, humans and lots of them, they do have serious demographic problems but that coincides with a society that cares for the elderly and an advancement in technology that they themselves are taking a part in. I think people like Zeihan can sometimes be naive about the capabilities and societies of our enemies, has too much of the “we are better than them” attitude (which we are better than them but maybe believing that isn’t the best thing for us)

[@maxburns9278]

Same

[@Fatsimbacat]

Peter Zeihan is a complete egotist and believes his own hubris. He's even started doing loads of 'Shorts' because he's just trying to build a business on the back of arse licking groupies

[@sandworm9528]

Zeihan is a speculator, it's fun to do and I don't fault him for it but he's got no idea what the future holds. And he's been wrong about plenty of predictions in the past. I much prefer talking about history without guessing the future

[@tobiasrietveld3819]

@@democracydignityhumanrights Sarah Paine is on a different level than Peter Zeihan. While I appreciate him for raising awareness of unknown but relevant statistics and patterns, he simply lacks her the academic depth and processes. Zeihan's tends to not go further than historic parallels and logic as the base for his understanding, while Paine works from academically argued models and concepts. The 'death ground' is a nice example of this.

[@TheDutchGun]

This woman is amazing. Thank you for sharing this interview.

[@GrubyTolek]

Amazingly smart woman. I appreciate her knowledge and sense of humour. Listening in from Poland I have to say she is one of the better informed Americans I've heard/

[@clairelevasseur9434]

Je suis tout à fait d'accord !!!😊

[@harryanders2877]

Wonderful conversation. Great work. Professor Sarah Paine is amazing.

[@WyrdieBeardie]

This lady is the most interesting person that I've seen in a long while; too long. Such clarity. So well thought out! It's refreshing. So pardon me now, whilst I binge on Sarah Paine material.

[@almor2445]

Sarah Paine is my new favourite person I don't know.

[@davidanalyst671]

my family is Paine but without the E

[@Snowy123]

She's so knowledgeable, she answers questions in a clear way while pulling from many different angles.

[@vault1345]

Awesome conversation. She has an awesome mind, much joy to listen to, despite of, and at the same time, because of the seriousness of the themes in the conversation.

[@l.matthewblancett8031]

what a sigh of relief. actual intelligent conversation. wow.

[@FubarSir]

Paine is a refreshing breath of truth. I would take her class right now to hear her lectures. God bless the truth and those who speak it🍸

[@Mortablunt]

Classic state approved RUSSIA BAD! SUPPORT CURRENT THING! Talking points.

[@angelmujahid2233]

She is one of the most intelligent people I have ever heard speak on this topic. Incredibly cogent and decisive. I really enjoy how she gets to the point and speaks directly. She doesn’t mince words and it makes it easy to understand not only her personal positions on these topics but she also retains the rare ability to see things from others point of view.

[@PattMcCrotch]

I saw so many of these shorts and finally had to come watch this brilliant lady. One word: WOW! 😮

[@albreezy]

This woman has an intellect I can’t even come close to touching. That was mesmerizing

[@elzach0]

This lady is incredibly knowledgeable. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this