War in Ukraine? Farage vs. Russian

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Stand-up comedians Konstantin Kisin (@konstantinkisin) and Francis Foster (@francisjfoster) make sense of politics, economics, free speech, AI, drug policy and WW3 with the help of presidential advisors, renowned economists, award-winning journalists, controversial writers, leading scientists and notorious comedians.

[@triggerpod]

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[@sarahsue42]

No thanks I'd rather eat my own hair than listen to anything NF has to say How many times has he tried and failed to get elected remind me?

[@crazybear38]

Lol troll

[@jamesflames6987]

He was an MEP for a long time and successfully got us out of the EU.

[@Carroty_Peg]

@@sarahsue42 yaaawn

[@fellowcitizen]

There's no chance that Putin would initiate a war; that's pure disinformation from the MIC.

[@TheOverlordOfProcrastination]

This wasn’t ‘fiery’. It was a respectful and pretty passionate debate. Pretty compelling to listen to.

[@geraldfitzpatrick9123]

The Overlord Of Po. I agree, it seems to be progressing perfectly just the way a good debate should go.

[@supertrooper6011]

I was thiking the same... quite nice to see a sensible genuine discussion for a change

[@paulgal]

It’s clickbait when they put things like “fiery” or “heated” people watch it, due to their need for drama and chaos.

[@fhlostonparaphrase]

Yeah, thumbnail and title of video is very click baity, rather tabloid of Triggernometry. (I was holding of for the whole video/discussion, but since that isn't forthcoming I had to make do with the click-bait snippet)

[@buggs9950]

I watched the whole thing earlier and then saw this and figured from the title it must be something else.. Yeah, a proper click bait title and thumbnail, pretty disappointing coming from Triggernometry to be honest.

[@krayon_eater]

A great conversation. This is why people, especially young men, are abandoning the BBC and the rest of the corrupt legacy media for long-form independent podcasts like Rogan and Triggernometry.

[@frankgradus9474]

"especially young men" C'mon man! Stop acting like a toxic-masculinity-laden spoiled brat! I say, you offended a lot of dames with that stereotyping. Shall we step outside for a minute?!

[@lucasgrey9794]

Rigan and Triggernometry are NOT "independent". Rogan is a CIA psy-op and Triggernometry has Mossad written all over it.

[@TheBobMings]

@@lucasgrey9794 hahahahahaha CIA psy-op? Please expand

[@Coowallsky]

@@lucasgrey9794 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle!

[@lucasgrey9794]

@@TheBobMings Why do you think Rogan has "former CIA" Mike Baker on his show periodically to promote pro-war narratives? Rogan also recently had a warmonger general called Mcmaster on his show.

[@johnbuggy9121]

Three blokes having a discussion in an appartment living room. Far superior to anything main stream news channels can produce. Keep up the good work Triggermen. 👍

[@JB47000]

Big respect to farage for coming on a podcast like this. Would never see the likes of Biden, Boris or Trudeau going anywhere near an honest and open conversation.

[@gunnersaurus17]

Both men make reasonable points. Genuinely see both sides of the argument well put, consider both valid, and that is a refreshing feeling. Thank you for making these.

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

"both men"? Did Konstantin change his pronouns or something?

[@charlesjohnson9879]

@@YourLocalCopiumDealer Are you suggesting that Konstantin has XX chromosomes? Doesn't look like that to me.

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

@@charlesjohnson9879 Silly joke, I know. :p

[@dasparado]

Agreed, these problems do not have easy solutions. Too bad the west has such bad leadership currently.

[@frankgradus9474]

Russians are dying off, families are falling apart, (the nuclear family's collapsing in the West, though, due to toxic-masculinity-laden, anti-women transvestites' movement), people are on the bottle... and Putin is playing his shameful games. Wake up and ask him to step down Russian sisters and brothers and let's pull all together ! Русские вымирают, семьи рушатся (хотя на Западе рушится нуклеарная семья из-за нагруженного токсичной мужественностью, антиженского движения трансвеститов), люди на бутылке... а Путин играет в свои позорные игры. Пробудитесь и попросите его уйти в отставку Pусские сестры и братья и давайте сплотимся !

[@davidmacnab5213]

So refreshing to be able to listen to intelligent, informed, respectful, yet robust, debate about such an important issue.

[@adamgrimsley2900]

What about Farage though?

[@davidmacnab5213]

@@ObjectiveIndulgence There may be a valid argument here, but the way it is stated, with the closing insult, leaves one with absolutely no interest in pursuing it. Totally the opposite of the debate originally commented on. QED.

[@lucasgrey9794]

There was NOTHING "intelligent, informed or robust" about this "debate". It was just a bunch of neocons with posh british accents talking utter bullsh!t. If they had any other accent they would be seen for the hacks that they are.

[@richardjoseph9002]

Does Russia not ynderstand the nature of a 'border'? He only wanted Crimea (not ethnically Russian until they kicked out the indigenous Crimeans 70 years ago) because it is home to Sevastopol (base of their Black Sea fleet). Putin is just a power crazed pseudo strongman. Just what the Russians have always had (and all that they have ever known).

[@miketomlin6040]

Intelligent'' Farage? Is this an attempt at humour. He's a compulsive liar with an O Level grasp of Political Science!

[@jimmy5353]

"Buffer states", Farage sounds like Neville Chamberlain.

[@Beebo]

Eventually Ukraine will either join NATO or the Russians. The current state of the country is unstable. And from my understanding it seems like Nigel Farage is proposing that we buy ourselves more time in this unstable state. I'm not sure how long this will last. Look at the Israeli-Palestinian, that's been going on for 50-odd years. To me, I'd rather just get it over and done with now. Dragging out a conflict is way more damaging over the long-term in my estimation.

[@jueshihuanggua3162]

does he expect a buffer zone just exists without any support from the west? crazy

[@jcoker423]

@Bessie Hillum Seems like these Borderlanders (Russian or Ukr speakers) don't want to be part of a failed state.

[@ciaranperry4677]

@@jcoker423 says who?

[@jcoker423]

@@ciaranperry4677 Says the guys with guns fighting the Russians. Says part of my family (Russian speakers) who want to be part of a Ukraine ruled by Kiev not Moscow.

[@ciaranperry4677]

@@jcoker423 Anecdotes are not reliable arguments for consensus though.

[@czypauly07]

These conversations are a lesson in how to disagree without being an arsehole or threatening cancellation. Great work guys!

[@bighands69]

You can state your position the other person can disagree and that can be the end of it. Modern TV media has hosts arguing with guests and trying to catch them out or trying to change their mind can focus a whole interview on one minor detail.

[@thefootballgeek2345]

I think Farage is a political force of nature and is very intelligent. However his morals are poor and his intentions very unclear. I point to Brexit and his role whithin the push. I don't trust anything his says.

[@liinav.3808]

what are you talking about?????? Farage could not even speak without being cut off.

[@colejones6312]

@@thefootballgeek2345 'Morals'? Brexit has nothing to do with morality. It's a predominantly economic issue and an issue around sovereignty/self determination. You also called him 'very intelligent' but proceeded to say you don't trust anything he says. A lack of trust is a lack of respect.

[@liamwood3357]

@@colejones6312 Farage is a treasonous scumbag and Brexit was an act of massive self herm.

[@artgurrl]

OMG, this is so refreshing to watch. An intelligent discussion on foreign policy in regards to Russia and the Ukraine. Thank you!

[@imanenglishman]

I think the reason why this works so, so much better than alleged "discussions" on mainstream media, is simply because of intentions. The two sides (for want of a better word) in this debate actually WANT and INTEND to understand each other. The exact opposite of panels on MSM.

[@richardashworth400]

facts

[@timrobinson6893]

Hearing this today; Nigel had it right... interesting.

[@manofculture584]

He's wrong

[@joekerr3638]

God, this is a much better interview than on mainstream media

[@androidcaller7902]

Because there's no agenda.

[@frankmachin5438]

Yes because the interviewers have a policy not to interrupt their subject. Nearly every other show (think Piers Morgan, Bill O’Reilly etc) ask a question and then interrupt 3 seconds into the answer and begin shouting.

[@miacat1727]

This debate had a certain naivety & lack of knowledge & was very timid compared to the solid stuff you get from RT, UK Column News, Greyzone & others.

[@mikedon5205]

@@miacat1727 heard his naive comments conflating people's jobs with nationhood and I couldn't listen to anymore

[@miacat1727]

@@mikedon5205 👍 Yes agreed, basically another disguised mainstream channel with novices trying to be experts. Excruciating & very misleading to the naive.

[@martynfenton3814]

Farage is correct yet again. If Mexico or Canada wanted to join a defensive alliance with Russia do we think the US would then support their democracy

[@Kodreanu23]

Excellent argument.

[@user-wm5rt9pw5l]

The right question is what would the US have to do to make Canada and Mexico want to be in an alliance with Russia. Exactly. Ukraine wants to join NATO because long before this crisis Russia's hostile intentions were known to it.

[@Kodreanu23]

@@user-wm5rt9pw5l stop it. Russia doesn't want Kiev and Crimea was always historically Russian. This whole "Russia wants to attack Ukraine" is false narrative which West is serving to public as an excuse to attack Russia. Read "Grand Chessboard" from Brzezinski to understand this geopolitical move.

[@vandecasa3795]

@@Kodreanu23 "West" doesn't have the means to attack Russia, your narrative is false.

[@psymantronic1528]

@@Kodreanu23 The narrative is so clearly false, - It's up there with Trump is racist, Jan 6 was an insurrection, and BLM care about black lives as far as mainstream media fake narratives go.

[@lisam6629]

No, Nigel, it is not a moral high ground to feed the Eastern Europe to Putin.

[@lochnessmonster5149]

The West has been prepping the ground for Putin's invasion for 9 years which is precisely what Farage was against.

[@dinsel9691]

@lochnessmonster5149 Shame the West is spending so much time in "preparing invasions". Appearantly Putin needs no time to prepare invasions.. he just does it.

[@cianryan4955]

I don't share Farage's politics but he was spot on on this hugely important issue. KK sounded like a neo-con with the whole tough guy rhetoric.

[@DieFlabbergast]

Konstantin is not capable of thinking logically about the country from which he and his family fled.

[@ianrs4685]

Big shout out to green, lobby who made us dependent on Russia,. #"L"

[@nickhardwell8016]

As pointed out by the former advisor to the government on energy to Farage in pints with Farage the U.K gets 5% of its gas from Russia.

[@ianrs4685]

@@nickhardwell8016 Russia currently provides Europe with more than 40% of its natural gas supply, according to Eurostat. In exigent circumstances, officials said, Europe has a storage of liquefied natural gas that it could tap into, and European officials have been,. copy paste

[@nickhardwell8016]

@@ianrs4685 where I live used to be about 10 huge gas storage cylinder containers. All have been removed over the last 20years.

[@jascu4251]

@@ianrs4685 Germany is reliant on Russia, the UK is not. So it depends who that "We" is

[@ianrs4685]

@@jascu4251 global price

[@VR46314]

Farage has knocked this one out the park. Bang on

[@brettarmer3584]

You must like grifting racists then?

[@user-wm5rt9pw5l]

He said nothing genuine there. Just repeated the RT agenda.

[@airstrip1836]

@@brettarmer3584 And you must be transphobic. Nazi!

[@Letsgosurfing-cc3ly]

@@brettarmer3584 why the hated man.

[@davidwright5094]

@@user-wm5rt9pw5l Farage is one of those dumb enough to genuinely fall for it.

[@douglasbroccone3144]

Nigel is not correct on Buffer zones. Russia isn’t paranoid. It’s rapacious

[@NewNew-ed5ve]

Nigel was spot on,if we left the Russians alone,there would have been no war

[@jamesflames6987]

Two genuinely interesting and well thought out sides of an argument. A rare thing indeed.

[@insaneweasel1]

But orange man bad

[@universalflamethrower6342]

@@insaneweasel1 White man also bad

[@markkreitler519]

Creamsicle Man bad?

[@liamwood3357]

Farage is nothing but a scumbag exploiting ignorance for money. There is no arguing with someone who believes in nothing.

[@jamesflames6987]

KK absolutely triggered.

[@heinzriemann3213]

Truely. His world view is goddamn childish.

[@LatajaceStadoKotow]

Rightfully so

[@andyhemmings7363]

How has Russia been continually expanding westwards? Since the fall of the Warsaw pact countries and the USSR Russia has shrunk. The eastern Baltic's are independent, Ukraine and Belarus became independent along with some of the southern states. I don't understand how you can say Russia is expanding continually?

[@dariashoe]

russia is pretty much in charge of belarus and it used to be in charge of ukraine up until 2014. russia lives by its past of soviet union and is seeking to reestablish its spheres of influences on the countries that used to be under it (meaning, most of Eastern European countries). it is going western in terms of its territory, although Soviet Union has fallen apart a long time ago. that's part of the reason why Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland etc feel the most threatened by russia, they're the next closest countries to Russia after Ukraine and they actually were under the soviet, aka russian influence for a long time the problem with russia is that the west always tries to pacify it, put it on pause. but its not going to solve the issue really. look at what happened in Georgia back in 2008 - same thing happened to Ukraine. if russia is going to be pacified again and ukraine loses, the cycle will just continue. in fact, if Ukrainian war was taken more seriously by the west back in 2014, we wouldn't be here right now (perhaps). instead russia decided to expand the battlefield in 2022. that's how they're going western if you ask me

[@andyhemmings7363]

@@dariashoe Russia doesn't need to be pacified, the west, especially the US and UK do. NATO has been the problem Russia has faced since the end of WW2 with its constant expansion eastwards with the placement of armies and missiles right on the Russian borders facing Russia. This is one of the main reasons Russia feels threatened coupled with the US indoctrination and hatred of Russia. Did you know Russia apparently discussed with Clinton about becoming a NATO member but Clinton refused support? The russian issue could have been resolved decades ago if the hatred was put aside from the US politicians.

[@dariashoe]

@@andyhemmings7363 yes, i know that at some point of time russia wanted to be a part of nato. putin spoke about it publicly but for some reason they never applied for being a member. honestly, i see why it may be the west’s fault - they thought they’ve won the cold war and underestimated russia’s power. however, it doesn’t take away the fact that Russia was the one who invaded both Georgia and Ukraine later on, which ultimately resulted in a bigger resistance between the west and russia. they basically did it to themselves, really. nato wasn’t always anti russian, it became like that because of russia’s actions. what i think is more important here is that the russian hatred towards the west is much bigger than western’s hatred towards russia. i mean, the whole russian identity is built on anti-americanism. you may not think so, but i bet watching a few russian political tv shows & street interviews will change your mind. all they do is say how bad the west is and blame it for everything. even for the things they did to themselves

[@andyhemmings7363]

@@dariashoe there's always two sides to every coin but without a doubt, western propaganda against the east far outweighs any other in veracity. I'm not defending any country for attacking another but I point out that since WW2, the US has either invaded or attacked more countries around the world than any other. Normally under the lame excuse of bringing democracy to that country but in reality it was about oil or American geopolitical influence and control over some resource that kills countless of civilians and destabilises those countries back into the dark ages. The world, especially the west and in particular the US, need to stop warmongering or interfering in countries that have nothing to do with them.

[@robinhood5627]

If only Farage followed through and ran for PM all those years ago instead of stepping down from politics. As much as many people hated the guy, I think a short stint of him in control would have made massive long term differences to this country and put the UK back on the right track.

[@PcSpudius]

It's hard not to agree with both arguments but I think the reason why Nigel could be more correct in his position in the short term is because we don't have the moral or societal cohesion to engage Russia right now. Most western countries are entirely divided internally and have entirely different worldviews being shaped by media narratives and over reaching governments. While our politicians divide us it would be foolish of foreign countries not to look to expand. Nigel's solution could buy us time, but if we continue down this pathway and attempted show of strength would be counterproductive.

[@nonfictionone]

MSM dividing us more than the politicians. Politicians react to what they believe public opinion is. MSM creates public opinion. The scariest thing going on right now is happening in msm. They are working totally against the mainstream populace. I suspect because these days msm are liberal elites educated at posh universities and they believe they know what needs to be known and are correct and morally superior.

[@b.chaline4394]

I couldn't agree more. It's hard for the West to pose as a credible arbiter and example when we have nothing to offer but division and self-hatred on every level. Hell, it's so bad that even a North Korean refugee is apalled at how low the US Universities have fallen. When we no longer believe in the very values that made us what we are, it's no wonder we are no longer taken seriously.

[@mat900ft]

KK comes across as hugely out of his depth lately. I find him difficult to watch nowadays. Francis seems much more level headed and the more intelligent of the two

[@kungfreddie]

Without the US military the EU is a joke. We don't even keep up with the promised budget of 2% for military.. so how can we protect ourself. And then u have like 20 countries with they're own command structure and language.. eu should build just own nato, but still remain as an ally to nato. We need to put atleast 5% of gdp to build a smart defense against Russia and nuclear deterrence. We can't rely on usa. Their internal problems are too great.

[@Tedi652]

@your [sic] reviews He probably is more informed than msm, or people like you. Don't watch then; go listen to your own echo chamber if civilised debates go over your head.

[@leedarkin-miller7685]

This looks like it's going to be a great episode. Opposing views, both allowed to be expressed with equal honesty and intensity... and received with mutual RESPECT. THIS is how it's done.

[@cs7th]

The current situation is largely down to the inept EU meddeling in things they don't understand. It was clear then and remains clear today.

[@dannymac1793]

You can't use small states as buffer zones for bigger states it didn't work in 1918 so it won't work now.

[@Aethelhald]

Buffer zones weren't the primary way they tried to prevent war back then, it was massive alliances that guaranteed any war would be as destructive and as bloody as it could possibly be. A kind of pre-nuke MAD (mutually assured destruction). Didn't work but at least they tried, I suppose.

[@Kefuddle]

I agree with Nigel 1000%. This pecking away through NATO expansion is pathetic and makes us look weak and unable to deal with Russia on our own terms. Trump shook up Kim, because he projected determination. We can project convincing determination through reasonable demands and following through on threats without saying "My Dad is bigger than your Dad".

[@opctpos.]

No he’s not. Farage is calling for capitulation. Russia and China will only see that as weakness.

[@brettarmer3584]

Nigel works for Putin

[@Kefuddle]

@@opctpos. I would call it a tactical retreat. A tactical retreat is in most equal/symmetrical conflicts is often the prelude to victory.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@opctpos. No, he is calling for a fall back from an overextended position

[@opctpos.]

@@Kefuddle That’s just a nice way of saying capitulation that will probably lead to a proxy war between the East and the West, with the Middle East and South Asia playing one side off against the other.

[@howardbabcom]

This manner of conversing on essential issues is the real marrow of social media (or should be). If only there was more of this manner of addressing the real issues in the corridors of power. Excellent stuff.

[@notabiologist9865]

Spotify's response to the Rogan issue should have been to try to add this and other respected Podcasts to their programming.....More Free Speech is the best reply, the answer and the future.

[@AFGuidesHD]

Its funny how Farage explains Russia's POV about the NATO encirclement. Is he aware that this is the same view Germany in 1939 took of the British encirclement against Germany.

[@robertthompson176]

Some parallels but not exactly comparable.

[@AFGuidesHD]

@@robertthompson176 It's pretty comparable. Nato is clearly designed against Russia and Chamberlain's "Peace Front" guarantees were clearly designed against Germany.

[@fireblade2681]

Hitler took Czechia, Austria, Poland and Norway before he made any move toward Britain. Hitler's ideology was to expand east to get farmland and raw resources from the Untermenschen lands to feed German industry. Hitler never wanted war with Britain, he wanted war with Russia. 1939 Germany is not 2023 Russia. Comparisons are tenuous at best. If anything the junta government in Ukraine is more like 1939 Germany, they too are wanting to expand east into Russian land as evidenced by the broken Minsk treaties. 27 million Russians died fighting against nazi Germany, how do you think their families would react to you comparing Russia to nazi Germany?

[@JoelAdamson]

This is really funny: I haven't heard ANYONE in the US media mention why Putin wants to invade Ukraine.

[@adiosa1388]

Well said INVADE 👏

[@miacat1727]

Or why if he wanted to, he hasn't already?

[@jascu4251]

@@miacat1727 I think the original plan wasn't to invade but to apply pressure and hope that Kyiv could crumble, and that Ukraine would federalise, devolving power to its regions, which Moscow could play off against each other. But as that plan hasn't worked, we're now in unknown waters, and we don't know what his Plan B is.

[@miacat1727]

@@jascu4251 Why does Ukraine want to join NATO when an agreement disallowing it, is in place. Why does US not give Russia the guarantees they have asked for in this respect. Russia know if Ukraine are accepted into NATO the East will be flooded by western influence. US, UK need to stop meddling & get off Russia's borders & take NATO with them, Ukraine can then have their war with Russia, if they dare.

[@jascu4251]

@@miacat1727 Great question, I think that explains well why Russia doesn't want Ukraine in NATO for sure! But Ukraine can still want membership even if Russia doesn't like it I think? Ukraine is a free country and can ask to join NATO or any other organization can't it? I do understand that Russia might not want NATO on its borders, although I think Ukraine might not want Russia on its borders (or inside its borders!)

[@joannewilson1021]

It's always bloody Germany.

[@cloudybeforerain7134]

Actually, it’s a cabal within the elite, rather than the nation as a whole. Lots of Germany want a Dexit.

[@jccusell]

What is this strange behaviour, posing reasoned arguments towards each other and challenging them? Seems vaguely familiar from something long long ago.

[@michaelhearn3831]

Ohhhhhh that Right wing Nigel has his finger right on point there…..Mr Farage the best prime minister we never had….

[@Jopal2222]

Watching this 11 months later. The line "some women called Liz Truss who somehow became Foreign Secretary, I don't know how" made me laugh. What happened next? 🤣

[@British_Dragon-Simulations]

It almost feels like I am looking at a chess board and seeing the pieces being moved into place, in a calculating way for whatever the plan is. In hindsight, especially.

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

NATO's expansion since the Cold War has resulted in NATO being weak and fractured. Hungary's Orban is friendly with Putin, Czech Republic is buying Russian military equipment, Croatia blames the US for the escalation and wants to withdraw troops stationed in NATO contingents if war breaks out. And in order for Ukraine to join NATO, every member state has to vote in favor. If one of the countries listed above vote against it, Ukraine can’t join. And that’s the problem with accepting every country that wants to join. Eventually your alliance is filled with countries that are more pro-Russia than pro-US

[@celtspeaksgoth7251]

Orban plays off all the major powers, or at least did when Trump was in the WH. I recall seeing first hand Xi's motorcade whizz into Budapest in 2017 - Hungary is a planned terminus of PRC's Silk Road/Rail initiative. Orban is not 'friends' with Putin he simply has to be pragmatic. Similarly Finland. He ain't Nordic though so he's expressive - a smile and a handshake with Putin hurts no-one.

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

@@celtspeaksgoth7251 Hungary signed a 15-year natural gas deal with Gazprom in September last year, and Orban recently asked for an increase in gas supplies from Russia and Putin has promised to deliver. It just goes to show that some NATO countries are on good terms with Russia, which means it will be difficult to achieve a cohesive policy on Russia. Maybe I went too far when I said NATO is fractured, but there are definitely internal disagreements

[@johnmknox]

@@celtspeaksgoth7251 So your strategy would be to appease a brutal dictator? Like many nations tried to do in the 1930s?

[@johnmknox]

It is not possible for Ukraine to join NATO. If it were I suspect that they just like the Baltic states and Poland would be a much more valuable member and contributor than Germany, France and Turkey who often seek to undermine it.

[@basilfawlty123]

I love you KK but I'm with Nigel here. There was no evidence whatsoever that Russia was interested in expansionism prior to 2008, then NATO announced how it welcomes Ukraine and Georgia's aims to join. Two weeks later Medvedev's (Putin's) troops are storming the Georgian border. The only solution here is for the EU and Russia to work together on rescuing the Ukrainian economy and agreeing on no further NATO expansionism. The same one proposed by Putin in 2014 which was aggressively rejected by the EU after their speech on further supporting Ukraine's EU membership ambitions. Remember that? Two weeks later Crimea became Russian. Every time there's talk of Ukraine and NATO or Ukraine and the EU in the West, Putin makes a move in return. The West has never had any interest in Ukraine being part of NATO, it's never given two craps about Ukraine in any way shape or form, yet Russia has consistently expressed its wishes that Ukraine remain neutral, only neutral, and all we ever do is poke the hornets nest and provoke a fight over a piece of land we don't care about. The West caused this mess, and the only people who will end up coming out of this with bloody noses are Western Ukrainians and America.

[@heinzriemann3213]

Bravo!

[@hosephanerothe1440]

Well put , small correction as Hitchens would put it ‘Poke the Russian Bear’

[@chrisshanks4934]

Agree, it seems to me that Ukriane should be considered some form of DMZ

[@florenceoztas6186]

Well said !

[@ash8128]

Nice story, but it doesn’t add up. Putin became aggressive against Ukraine long before 2008. Look up “Tuzla island 2003” and “Russia-Ukraine gas war” (started at least in 2005).

[@GordeevVladimirV]

It is so crazy to listen to this talk now in January 2023

[@backinthegame34]

Farage is correct here. Russia has been invaded far too many times from the western border.

[@Valosken]

I love a friendly and two-sidedly reasonable debate.

[@jackrainbow560]

Did you vote Tory at the last election?

[@Valosken]

Yes.

[@jackrainbow560]

@@Valosken 2) Did you vote Tory as the lesser of 2 evils, or perhaps because you like your local MP so much? 2)Would you vote Tory again if Johnson survives to the next general election in '24?

[@Valosken]

@@jackrainbow560 Lesser of 2 evils. I rarely do this, but thought that honouring the Brexit vote was of extreme importance, even just in setting precedent. I probably would not, no.

[@jackrainbow560]

@@Valosken But, based on what we now know about Tory policy as identical to David Lammy's beliefs in respect of betraying Brexit by unwanted immigration, buying energy from Russia to pretend we are green, silencing dissent by means of hate speech laws, forcing white children to feel guilty because of their skin colour by implementing CRT in the curriculum and forcing the Army to attend diversity and inclusion lectures would you not utterly reject the Tory party by withholding you vote at the next election?

[@nickswettenham1877]

A debate in 2022 without calling the other person a racist or homophobe?? What’s the world coming too?! 😂

[@mattss4725]

Nigel has got this so wrong and has been the past 60 days have shown this.

[@slawomirkrajinski1056]

Farage has just shown his true colours here.

[@johnnyboy1586]

What do you mean?

[@renaud_gagne]

I'm with Nigel on this one. Don't escalate by bringing Ukraine in NATO.

[@guyverjay1289]

I see what you are saying but then that also means Ukraine are not allowed to decide their own course and are still indirectly under the yoke of Russia.

[@vandecasa3795]

You can't just "subscribe" to NATO. There is a lengthy application process and all NATO members have to accept a new member. Ukraine was never considered as a member of NATO, precisely because NATO doesn't want to offend Russia. However Ukraine was promised protection against russian aggression in exchange for them giving up their nuclear weapons. Russia wants NATO to break their promise, thus undermining NATO's credibility and make Ukraine more susceptible to russian influence, subversion and bullying.

[@hrbeta]

I agree with Mr. Farage. We in the West might have the better culture and system but at this point in time, with our moronic leaders, we would be in deep trouble facing off resolute tyrants. Playing a waiting game is the least terrible option.

[@zerocontent6168]

Better culture Hahahahaahahah

[@minkyfran8307]

@@zerocontent6168 Name one culture which is better ? Iran where women are forced to wear headscarves ? India where rape culture is out of control and they still have a caste system ? China where they are committing genocide ? Come on genius , name one !

[@whodat9198]

@@minkyfran8307 He can't because he can't count to one.

[@johnmknox]

That is what we did in the 1930s and it didn't end well.

[@kon1402]

Clearly woke culture is the best culture! 😂 Russians are scared of our diversity and rainbow camo on our tanks. :)

[@user-th5nb3ox1w]

The problem is that both are right and it's too late now. The average western European doesn't give a toss for Ukraine. Most couldn't point to it on a map. Farage is wrong, dictators won't negotiate honestly. The other guy is looking at it from an Eastern European background.

[@piotrci2464]

What if Russia prohibited England from joining NATO. Or if Russia has banned her from leaving the European Union.Ukraine is isolated an island and must fight for its own democracy, which Farage has never had to do

[@ahellooo]

Farrage has simply cut through the BS and stated the logical and obvious problem and the solution.

[@Torquemadia]

Farrage is advocating for appeasement. That worked well against the last authoritarian warmonger it was tried against.

[@GreenBroccoli100]

@@Torquemadia When the Soviets had military installations in Cuba the American's were kicking up a fuss. Anyone with a brain can see Russia/China are being enveloped by the US and their NATO Allies. If the Chinese or Russians had done the same to the US, we would be pretty angry about it too. Without buffer states you only end up antagonizing your so called opponent.

[@wokeup6177]

Churchill nipped Hitler in the bud when he annexed Danzig

[@ghostdog4330]

Nato should probably have been disbanded after the soviet union collapsed. Instead it expanded eastwards towards Russia despite USA's assurances at the time it never would. If the shoe was on the other foot the Americans would be hysterical..

[@ebflegg]

Absolutely right. Plus the US has spread Sunni jihadism all over the Middle East, supporting Saudi Arabia to devastate the Yemen, causing the disasters in Iraq, Libya and Syria (causing floods of refugees and fuelling the far right in Europe) ... supports Islamic terrorist secession in Xinjiang, supports insurrections and coups all over the place, and this promotes ‘western values’?! The export of ‘democracy’ is a total fraud and that’s why poor countries would prefer their sovereignty respected by Russia and China in economic deals that don’t involve political subversion - even if they are authoritarian regimes themselves. Just compare the foreign policies of the strongest powers and ask yourself who’s expansionist and aggressive! Jesus, it’s not hard

[@nordahlgrieg2738]

Except USA never invaded Cuba. The paralel only works if USA were to install nukes in Ukraine - which it is not.

[@ebflegg]

@@nordahlgrieg2738 Er - you haven’t heard about the Bay of Pigs? You know where Guantanamo is? Have you any idea of how many failed assassination attempts the US made on Castro? And the 60 years of the economic blockade...

[@nordahlgrieg2738]

@@ebflegg Bay of Pigs were an invasion by cuban exiles - similar to the separatists in Donbass, financed and directed by Russia USA never invaded with regular forces and only threatened to do so, when Russia was half way installing nukes there. So Russia can only claim a right to invade after USA starts installing missiles in Ukraine. Which of course has not and will not happen.

[@nutyyyy]

All of Eastern Europe would be under Russian rule now.

[@dmitryzenkov6396]

What can I say, Nigel is more right.. Konstantin is more naïve and driven by emotions of political romanticism. Nigel is more mature and driven by objective of practical gain.

[@martinrohac1213]

The last message from Farage about being united if we did the right choice is spot on

[@BalticWorld]

Two statements are true simultaneously: 1) NATO expanded too far eastward, largely as a reward to the Baltic countries for supporting America during the Iraq war. This has overstretched collective commitments in the face of a rising China, including nuclear commitments, with Russia paranoid having a military alliance 150km from St Petersburg. 2) Lithuania, Latvia & Estonia are remarkable democracies that stand for freedom, human rights, sovereignty of the individual, and western liberal tradition. They have horrendous experience of foreign occupation and deserve their security and territorial integrity. The challenge is to square that circle , which is possible (and I have many ideas) but certainly not simple. -- Crispin.

Stalin has started Finish war because he was paranoid 'border too close'.

[@ailuros]

@ he was right:) Finland aligned with Germany and besieged Leningrad

[@ailuros]

Seems like Baltic states didn't care that much about human rights of their Jewish population. Out of 120.000 Lithuanian Jews 90.000 were exterminated by Lithuanian volunteers.

[@lmonk9517]

I think one point to add to Nigel's argument is that historically, allying with a weaker border country as a form of military deterrent has often failed in the past. Look at the UK's treaty with Belgium in WW1 and how that decision ultimately cost around 1 million British lives. I'm all for standing up against dictators like putin who have no respect for the sovereignty of their neighbours but signing ourselves up for potential conflict with a nuclear power cannot be taken lightly.

[@unhippy1]

@@ailuros Not in until russia attacked finland starting what is known as the 'winter war'.....

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Agree with Nigel. No British working class going to War AGAIN.

[@FanOMisery]

No one wants to go to war but you cannot be weak and let Russia do what ever they want. Just look at WW2 and realise how we could have stopped it sooner of we hadn't capitulated

[@Lurch685]

@@FanOMisery not our problem. Let Russia do what they want and let Ukraine deal with it themselves.

[@Belfreyite]

Well, I am an ardent remainer, but Nigel Farage is absolutely right to suggest Ukraine does not join Nato. Notwithstanding Putin being a monster, you have to take Russia's fear of Nato seriously. To have nuclear weapons close to your border, pointing directly at you is a ludicrous situation as Cuba demonstrated.

[@tcritt]

Joining NATO doesn't mean you have nukes staioned in your territory. Why so so many people parrot this talikng point?

[@1987dfa]

I am British and as I see it, Russia are entitled to put whatever they want on their own border. It is us and the U.S who have gone to their border. We are 100% in the wrong on this one.

[@user-wm5rt9pw5l]

"Germans just walk in their backyard"

[@FUToob]

There is no "buffer zone" for Russia if NATO extends all the way to Russia's border. Think.

[@johnmknox]

There is no buffer zone for Russia if they invade sovereign independent nations which would remove the buffer zone and give them more of a border than they have always had with NATO anyway.

[@jimsim8736]

@@johnmknox That buffer zone potentially are about to becomes allies with Russia’s perceived enemy. They’re only going to invade because the buffer zone is removed the moment Ukraine joins NATO. Blame the Ukrainians, they’ve allowed puppet leaders for Russia and the west to run their country rather than vote for an independent that cares only about the Ukraine.

[@Heatwave9000]

​@@johnmknox There is because they have only taken Eastern Ukraine not the whole country...

[@buckfozos5554]

The West is weak, indeed Konstantin! We're more concerned with renaming sports teams and trying to silence Whoopi Goldberg than issues of real importance. Weak AF.

[@doughooper9918]

Ask Nigel what we do when Russia decides that Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are not countries and are part of the Russian people. If the Ukrainian people want closer ties with Europe then so be it.

[@jakubsevcik1392]

Farage in this debate is Chamberlain letting Hitler take Sudets of Czech Republic.

[@shehp5190]

Argh! Such a tease, then to have to wait 4 days for the full episode! We'll already be at war by then. 😜 Come on

[@BigDawgCAM]

Lol this didn’t age well

[@Shoutinthewind]

I’m with Farage on this one:

[@pemberton6974]

Nigel is more worried 😟 the flow of money from Russia.

[@stand.with.Iranians]

Thanks for insightful info. The truth is globalization, NATO expansion, EU expansion and militarization of Europe is about everything, except security, equality and economic stability. Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007. Today, nearly one-third of Bulgarian population live outside Bulgaria, and an average person in Bulgaria earns just about $350 a month. More than two decades, people have been told that the country is part of NATO and EU, and it is on the way to climb the ladder of economic progress.

[@Metalblowing]

Farage has a lot of valid points. Saying this as a Ukrainian. I would like to point out a couple of things, though. Putin wants to invade Ukraine either way. He made many statements about Ukraine bing part of Russian and that he considers these "alliance" essential. He also made multiple claims that collapse of the USSR was the biggest geo political issue of the last century. For him, Putin, it is essential to bring the former USSR back together. And without Ukraine, there is no USSR, there is no Russia. NATO is just a talking point because he needs a shield against his draconian tendencies. For someone like RT, it makes it a lot easier to convince people around the world that Russia is not at fault here and has no choice. Russia had choice of not invading Chechen Republic, Afghanistan, Georgia, Ukraine, Armenia, and many other places around the world. Russia had choice of building its own economy instead of giving everything away to corrupt billionairs. Russia had choice of not killing every political opponent of Putin. Farage is greatly mistaken on this specific point. As for Germany, this country was fucked up since forever. Keep up the great work. Going to buy some extra gas canisters tomorrow & food. Just in case Russia decides to invade us. Otherwise, brilliant weather today in Ukraine.

[@zhain0]

Sorry to kinda change the subject, but I've not had the chance to ask an actual Ukrainian. Why is nothing seemingly done about the Russian proxy fighters? Is it clear to Ukrainians that Russia is using these fighters or Is it a misconception of the me/other outsiders? It seems mad to me this is not even talked about in the media

[@jyyyb]

Stay safe

[@Metalblowing]

@@zhain0 It's an interesting question. I will give my opinion, which might be full of s. The Proxy forces are a myth. 100% of actual fighters, people that made the strategic decisions, people that control the strategic points are - professional, regular russian forces under guise of local fighters. Also, there forces are hiding/positioning them between local population. It's actually quite an argument here between center, right, left, and other political forces whether our army should bomb the shit out of those places with all the casualties or not do anything - current position. Historically, it was really easy for russian to build presence there. During 1917/1930 and onwards, russian did targeted genocides and eastern Ukraine. So they left people that were willing to work with Stalin & USSR. When western Ukraine had access to food & some sort of ordinary life, people in the eastern Ukraine were dying of man made famine. Now after the collapse of the soviet union, these places were tightly controlled & manipulated to keep the people there in "russian" mindset. They also had "patriotic" camp system that was raising young people with hatred for Ukraine & EU. So you have a couple of things: 1) our government doesn't know how to address paramilitary forces that are scattered around civilians. 2) there is a small part of local population that is pro-russian and considers any help from EU/Ukraine/US an act of war 3) there is a lot of regular russian forces there since day 1 & they are keeping the majority control. This can be easily proved by personal IDs of captured soldiers, hundreds of photographs of regular russian army forces with specific number plates or IDs, the weapon systems that they use, personal interviews & pictures of regular russian army personnel, and the bodies obviously. My position in the beginning of the war was to bomb that place until we get a whole all the way down to australia. But there is a lot of people that believe in some sort of diplomatic resolution so we're not moving inside and letting these thugs do whatever they want.

[@firebyrd437]

Ukraine gave up their nukes on the proviso nato would be protecting them in the event of this very problem, Farage as usual is just an idiot

[@Metalblowing]

@@firebyrd437 I actually know a guy who was working to disassemble the nuclear silos. Interesting shit. We also had one of top 5 navies. Completely lost that shit. However, a lot of that is not directly Russian/USSR/USA. USSR was notorious for corruption & negligence. So when Ukraine became independent, all of those left over idiots in power simply f-ed everything up, sold some stuff, broke some stuff, lost some stuff. My dad served in the army for 20 years & told many such stories. Obviously, when russian started the hybrid war tactics it only became worse.

[@vickingvicbubble8042]

Putin has never once said that he intended to invade Ukraine.

[@vandecasa3795]

NATO has never once said that they intended to invade Russia.

[@heinzriemann3213]

@@vandecasa3795 No, they just massacred a million Iraqis, but that's fine I guess.

[@nutyyyy]

Oooof yes he has and he has invaded. Hitler also drew up his plans in explicit detail but people ignored that.

"The cold war...Russia was far more scared of us than we were of them." I'm assuming the "us" is the UK? Not Hungary in 1956, Prague in 1968, Poland yet again in 1981, Chernobyl in 1986 which gave us all in Europe a taste of Soviet efficiency...As for "buffer zones" the Soviet satellite states were not buffer zones or neutral Finland. They were under the boot of an authoritarian regime, where only Russian as a foreign language was allowed.

[@rustincohlebla2194]

What can you expect from english hypocrite not seeing far from his own asshole ..:)

[@TyTye]

That's not true. Poles spoke Polish (including when partitioned with Prussia & Austria), Hungarians spoke Hungarian etc despite being buffer states

[@moreuz1]

It's not Farrage vs Russian, it is Farrage vs Jew. And there is a big difference between Russians and the Jews. If you speak Russian, that doesn't make you Russian.

[@jeffberlin4179]

The problem is Russian borders are to close to NATO weapons. NATO approved solution is that Russia must move its borders back a couple hundred miles. Anyone see any problems with this solution ?

[@johnmknox]

Russia and formerly the USSR has ALWAYS had a shared border with NATO nations. The opposite to what you say is also true in that Russian weapons are close to sovereign countries that may or may not be NATO members. NATO doesn't actually have offensive weapons in a lot of the border nations to Russia. However on the other hand Russia does have offensive weapons on its border and in Kallingrad. Remember that it was Russia under Putin who violated the INF missile treaty and Trump then subsequently pulled the US out of it too and suspended its obligations.

[@johnglenn2539]

Estonia gets almost all her energy from coal. Estonians aren't stupid. Germans are. Simple.

[@themsmloveswar3985]

But.... What about the planet?

[@johnglenn2539]

@@themsmloveswar3985 dependence on Russia or risking an environmental issue that's a hoax. Let me think, let me think.

[@imannews5419]

Nigel you have too much sense for the current establishment. Look where we are now. Smh.

[@UnathiGX]

These Two opposing views are Equally frightening. 1. Provoke Russion (Flext our Muscle) 2. Let's Not Provoke Russia, but if they invade...only then do we flex. I go with Nigel here.(2)

[@marcritchie4968]

The Americans paid 3 billion for the coo. The reason for it was Ukraine decided not to join the EU in 2013 because Putin gave them a better deal, then Biden and Obama stepped in ilegal and then hunter Biden was signed as CEO of an energy company, this leads us to the laptop found in 2020.

[@chatteyj]

* coup

[@trollobite1629]

*"...better deal..."* Don't think so, it was because their President was a corrupt Russian puppet and HIS choice caused wide spread protesting.

[@kiriavatar123]

This isn't a debate. This is an interview

[@joaopreto2361]

If I'm not getting this wrong, Konstantin is seeing the ground from the perspective of empires. He sees the West as a good empire and Russia and China as bad empires. That would be true after WWII but after the Cold War the west has lost his virtue. That's the mistake that Konstantin is making, by loosing its virtue the west has stopped being the good empire. The West is waging unjust, myopic forever wars. American embassies are flying alphabet people's flag, not the American people's flag. The West is exporting racial and sexual strife as well as identity confusion. These issues, if not resolved will undermine Konstantin's desires. If I'm right Konstantin wants the west to win because he fears tyranny from the other empires, but if we don't address what he sees as trivial the west winning will be a hollow victory for the world. Trudeau and Biden will be the model tyrants of the ones to come if we don't set our nations in order.

[@robertmccall346]

So true. The West is continuing to lower its own Standards in morality, financial corruption, freedom of choice and religious tolerance. The time is fast approaching when real freedom may have to be redefined. The World is changing at a frightening rate.

[@hintergedanke1069]

Nigel Farage is on point! Konstantin doesn't like what he hears and he clearly can't be objective on this issue. NATO expanded when Russia and China seemed weak, maybe tables are turning now. Konstantin should also mention NATO and US exporting their values of "democracy and freedom" to Middle East and Africa causing deaths of thousands of innocent people. I'd love to see triggernometry talk to Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate.

[@SirPrancelot1]

I'm with Nige on this one. Agree with KK that Russia and China respect strength but agree with Farage that not asking Ukraine to join NATO is a strong move geopolitically. Also, when Nige asked KK what he would do KK replied, I think, that he wasn't necessarily saying that Ukraine should join NATO but, unless I missed it, he didn't say what we should do. The military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about are itching for this war to kick off.

[@vandecasa3795]

Appeasement is a dumb move.

[@Simon-gc6uf]

@@vandecasa3795 Hope to see you on the front lines showing your strength.

[@amcleanYT]

I'm a big fan of Triggernometry, but I think this excellent short interview between George Galloway and Andrew Korybko better explains the current Russia/Ukraine situation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5Woen2id7GDkJo

[@greatdude7279]

@@vandecasa3795 So when I go around killing your friends and then move into your backyard and then people tell me to stop that would be "Appeasement " ? Thats what the US did... They went around the world lunching coups, sanctions and invasions against who? Russian allies... and now they are in their backyard.

[@johnmknox]

It is not possible for Ukraine to join NATO so a lot of this is Putin paranoia and propaganda.

[@TopNotch770]

This discussion truly is a breath of fresh air... I disagree with on many things but here I was surprised to hear him speak so rationally and empatheticly. I also love that Konstantin held him to account, pressed him, asked precise follow up question and it was all genuine! Big Like!

[@d3r4g0d8]

Farage point of view aged like fine milk.

[@kingcosworth2643]

Russia taking Ukraine does create a buffer zone for Russia, There is one more countries worth of land between Europe and Moscow.

[@wikingagresor]

Nigel can easily say, that there should be 'buffer states', because he doesn't live in one. There are other solutions that aren't being discussed.

[@heinzriemann3213]

Ukraine fared much better as a 'buffer state'. After the illegal coup, it cut all ties with Russia and since then its economy is in the toilet. All while any pro-Russian voices are being silenced, even prisoned. DeMocRacY my a$$.

[@Badmarble24]

I don’t normally disagree with Farage so much. I just don’t see how his argument on appeasing Russia is valid

[@tristandrew5903]

I get.his point about not giving a reason but as we've seen not a wise move when the bear creeps it'll.still get you. Finland realises this so is taking the polar opposite approach and joining nato in order to protect them being taken next

[@1nn0centBystander]

Man TALKS SENSE!!! WHY WASNT HE there.... this man would have prevented all of this!

[@Sovereign1992]

I disagree with Konstanin, but defend his right to say it

[@rewertzyy1416]

yeah lets just give up smaller countries to appease a dictator. brilliant solution

[@adiosa1388]

@@rewertzyy1416said every russian ever They do think invading and killing is ok coz ita for them

[@Heatwave9000]

​@@rewertzyy1416 What's your solution then smartass 😂

[@bellybutton123456]

Nigel.....You're doing a Trudeau with them socks !!!

[@davidgreenwood5241]

Ukrain is an independent nation it’s not for Russia to tell them what they can’t do

[@PB-dl8kl]

Fiery debate ? Just seemed like a good honest discussion between grown ups with differing views. What a refreshing change , looking forward to the full interview.

[@adammac6386]

I agree with Nigel. Why make the Kremlin nervous by continuing to expand east. The very reason they annexed the Russian areas of Ukraine was because they were nervous about Nato getting closer to Moscow.

[@MeM_UK]

Nonsense. Look at the Baltics, they're right by Moscow. Ukraine takes NATO closer to where? Rostov? Sochi? putin likes to kick back and relax in Sochi, but hardly of strategic interest to NATO. Look what General Ivashov has said. putin wants to secure a legacy to make it harder for his successors to take the money he has stolen. All this NATO expansion stuff is just a pretext. The reason putin doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO is because he wants to grab it for himself.

[@adammac6386]

There was nothing Russia could do about the Baltic's joining. They were too weak militarily at the time. If Ukraine were to join then Nato is only 200 miles from Volgograd and it would be easy to separate Moscow from there oil rich regions in the Caucasus in a land invasion. Why bother provoking them. This is the Cuban missile crisis in reverse, if a war breaks out blame the yanks and Biden.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@MeM_UK No. There is flat land all the way from Ukraine into the Caucasus - any army which cuts Russia off on that axis will have her completely beaten. No change in leadership in Russia will change that basic military fact. Indeed, that's why the Axis attacked on that axis, not just for the oil of Maikop and Grozny

[@user-wm5rt9pw5l]

@@adammac6386 It was worth thinking about before spoiling relations with Ukraine, not after.

[@realitycheck4086]

So NATO expanding Eastwards is not expansionism, but Russia protecting its borders is? I agree with Nigel on this one.

[@user-wm5rt9pw5l]

Countries voluntarily joining the alliance - expansionism. Russia literally annexes the territory of a neighboring state and wages a proxy war against it so that it does not have a chance to get away from it - it protects the borders. You're delusional.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Kostya should be teaching " Advanced Lying ". Putin didn't want Donbass- hell, he didn't even want the Crimea. Kostya is one of the most brilliant and talented people maybe even in the entire world so when he pretends that he can " heal the patient " by pretending that " cancer " is just a harmless mole, the question is- why is he doing it? There is nothing even remotely wrong with wanting Ukraine to be on our side. There is something horribly wrong with picking a sadistic psycho by the name of Zelensky to achieve our goals and not giving the normal moderate Ukrainian politicians the time of day. So Kostya can say whatever the British Intel wants him to say but it has nothing whatsoever to do with reality. Bubkes, nada, nichego.

[@MrMegamarth]

Russia isn't expending westward Constantin, it's ensuring that Ukraine doesn't join NATO using military as a threat.

[@heinzriemann3213]

Seriously, sometimes I think Constantin lives on adiferent planet. He is all ideology WEST GUD ALL ELSE BAD.

[@westfield90]

FF seems bored. He’s thinking about what to have for dinner.

[@JohnGrayOnline]

To understand why US/UK are high profile ref. Ukraine .. I recollect that when the USSR broke up, Ukraine were persuaded (by the West) to pass their many nuclear weapons back to Russia .. in return for guarantees from the USA and UK that they would safeguard Ukraine's sovereignty. I'm surprised no-one mentions this in the present debate, it seems like the most important reason why US/UK have a responsibility there.

[@MMG008]

I agree. This is a fundamental missing part of the debate. Ukraine was the 3rd largest nuclear power after the fall of the Soviet Union. The West persuaded them to give up their nukes. Russia wouldn’t be considering invading them if they still had said nukes.

[@narharjoshi7150]

The british russian comedian should take a lesson in his own country's history, especially how and who formed Ukraine.

[@thanksfernuthin]

WOW! What an awesome debate!!! Both sides have thought through their points meticulously on a very important and serious question. LOVE IT!!!

[@ChimpingBulldog]

I'm inclined to agree with Nigel, just because of Russia's nuclear capability. It's okay exporting democracy to shit holes, but Russia and China are very different.

[@greatdude7279]

What Democracy?

[@johnmknox]

So you will back down and won't stand up to brutal dictators? What happens when they take and more countries one by one? Until you are the only one left?

[@greatdude7279]

@@johnmknox "So you will back down and won't stand up to brutal dictators?" Stop injecting your bullshit reasons with the reasons of your political leaders. This has nothing to do with "muh brutal dictators" and do you know how I know that? Because your allies are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Jordan etc... "What happens when they more and more countries one by one? Until you are the only one left?" You do realize most countries wanted to have Democracies but because leftist politicians got elected the West COUP the the shit out of them. There is 0 difference who takes the reigns of power... Its good if you are Western nationalist but to South Americans, Africans, Middle Easterners it makes no difference. I will not sacrifice my life or lives of my people to help US get rid of their counter balance so they would be allowed to commit more genocides and enslave more countries to IMF with 0 accountability whatsoever.

[@themsmloveswar3985]

There is no democracy in Pennsylvania, the first state to state the America Revolution....

[@joemoody7440]

"Exporting democracy" 🤣🤣🤣

[@spazmonkey3815]

Now in January 2023 if we followed Farage's advice Vis-à-vis Russia and the Ukraine we wouldn't be in this amazing mess. We are on the brink of Nuclear war and we've learned that amazingly,Russia is stronger than us.Almost all their weapon systems appear to be better thought out than ours. Russia makes almost everything pretty well and the USA makes almost nothing.We have hollowed out our ability to go into war production. Russia now knows this also. We have put a lot of effort into ship technology and Russia has put a lot of effort into cheap but brutal ship sinking technology. We have put a lot of effort into airplanes,Russia has put a lot of effort into shooting down planes and missiles. We are running out of ammo and Russia seems to have an endless supply of ammo. We put sanctions on Russia and now in the winter of 2023 Germans may be burning their houses to stay warm. We could have made an attempt at friendship and peace but what we have made is an enemy that feels betrayed by the West and will never be our friend again.

[@LomuHabana]

I believe you have been seriously mislead, or you are trolling, you are stating the absolute opposite of what is true. You sound like you have listen too much to Russian media. We have learned that Russia is even weaker than we thought, they are running out of ammunition, soldiers (because so many died) and other important resources. They are losing the war, their plan was to defeat the Ukrainian military within days and install a puppet government, then they changed their strategy to grab some land in the eas (most of which they already de facto controlled), and now they are even losing ground there. In short, Russia’s military is a joke. “Germans maybe burning their houses to stay warm” I know a lot of Germans, and visit Germany because of work and friends quite often, no one even thinks of burning their house, no one knows anyone who considers burning their house, Germans still have “warmer Winter” than most Russians do, Russia is hit by the sanctions way worse then the west.

[@hudysteinberg8802]

I love the dude on the left, just sitting there watching the adults talk.

[@TriggeredJelly]

Holy shit I'm excited for the whole episode, mates!