War is Coming. | Honkai: Star Rail 3.0 Prydwen Tier List

[@valkyrieregalia]

The main reasons why Firefly is Tier 0 above the other meta break DPS's on the Prydwen tierlist is that she can implant fire weakness and has Lingsha and Fugue benefiting from it. You don't even have to make Firefly the target of Fugue's skill, as you can put it on like HMC even so all 4 units can do toughness dmg on all units. It makes her less dependent on the environment than the other break DPS which is incredibly valuable if you just want a safe, easy to clear with team to secure rewards, which is what this tier list is looking at. It is not a 0 cycle tier list, but rather a 3 star efficiency tier list, and Firefly's floor is very good at netting rewards in pretty much any stage aside from perhaps a toughness blocking one, but you can just use her on the other fight which won't be an issue because she can implant fire weakness on whatever it is. The other break DPS's are not as flexible by comparison which is enough to give her a .5 tier advantage for what the tierlist is measuring. Keep in mind too, for Rappa, this is w/o her S1 and even with Fugue's skill, she is going to struggle against a boss that doesn't have either imaginary or fire weakness...unless you bring Firefly too to save the day. Fugue does not make Rappa nearly as flexible as Firefly, and without her S1 she sees a bigger dip than with Firefly without her S1. As for Boothill, he will suffer more from the AoE focus than Firefly and his weakness implant being for physical is not as impactful currently as we do not have many meta break supports / sustains which are physical as well to benefit from it. Fugue helps him punch through individual units faster and more proficiently now, but if he has to basically solo everything, it could be tougher for him if they keep pressing the AoE agenda. He also doesn't have great non signature lightcone options currently. So, I think it's this culmination of things that give Firefly the edge for what the Prydwen tierlist is looking at. It doesn't mean Firefly is better in every way by any means, which is what I think some people are trying to take it as. It is just a .5 difference likely due to the reasons I have brought up.

[@VForceWave]

Excellent analysis, didn't think of it that way

[@iDrKx]

Keep cooking breakdowns

[@yulfine1688]

There's also the fact as you mentioned more aoe scenarios to which is likely coming as leakers all the big credible ones are pretty confident in at least the second row of enemies happening. The issue that arises here is they mention currently that bounce will hit both rows, but blast currently does not hit both rows meaning either A they won't have that option and newer blast units will, or B they add it and blast can hit both rows or won't hit both rows ever which hurts any blast unit quite a bit in clearing. This effects FF and boothill massively boothill especially so and FF a bit less because she does blast so its something, Rappa doesn't fare much better due to her enhanced basic being blast until the final hit which hits all enemies so that's the only real advantage rappa has so at least its something. This hurts Therta as well since her skill is blast as and her enhanced isn't much better but like rappa at least her final hit does hit all enemies but it still hurts, so considering how many units do blast damage, I really think it should be capable of hitting both rows otherwise blast in general is going to be screwed just not as much as single target comps.

[@kingsimba9513]

That's all fine and dandy, but it's hard to take Pyrdwen seriously when their own data shows that Rappa has outperformed FF since her debut 2 patches ago. According to Prydwen's stats, in 2.7's MOC, Rappa had an average cycle of 8.63 with FF at 9.35. In 2.6 Rappa had 7.63 with FF at 8.43. And as of the latest end-game cycle, Prydwen reports FF as having the slowest MOC and AS score out of ANY 2.x unit (and even some 1.x ones). That doesn't sound like a high and consistent floor to me. I can understand if they want more data to make a judgement, but they were quick to rank other T0 characters highly on their release (despite the environment being equally shilled for them). Prydwen are just hypocrical and/or incompetent.

[@Electroslavs]

​@@kingsimba9513and gepard is top 3 character in the entire game by the cycles, and jing liu is the second best dps in the game by the same stats. You are not getting anywhere just by comparing numbers without understanding what they mean

[@zetsubouo4985]

" Editor name this section tier list update " Editor : "Nah I'mma do my own thing"

[@plill0_wmcfethers708]

editor chad

[@Taegeun-09]

yep its called W farming

[@SmtYet]

I still remember the day when pokke started playing cookie run kingdom. That game is the most power crept game of all time

[@arandomperson589]

Yep new character comes it out dpses all old characters its sad

[@arandomperson589]

Like shadow milk cookie rn

[@SSABIRR-69]

​@@arandomperson589shadow milk cookie is overrated

[@The_real_John3879]

Girl, you haven't heard of Dokkan yet

[@dominusdario5101]

​@@The_real_John3879 We don't talk about the 7th anni great reset.

[@Hunter_17825]

bro is farming this war/powercreep drama like crazy lmao

[@Grayewicked]

The most surprising thing for me here is that Serval wasn't really bumped up that high. Either a lot of people already had Jade and the bulk of the data was comprised of that, or not a lot of testing was done and/or data was gathered for Serval for The Herta teams. Edit: You could make the same argument about Acheron needing Jiaoqiu for Rappa needing her LC but people don't wanna hear it.

[@imanismail8966]

hyperspeed serval with passkey and eagle set is pretty broken for therta, especially for sustainless run. but since prydwen tier list targeted for casuals, i think no casual player would want to invest on a specific character that only usable for 1 team, let alone doing sustainless run imo.

[@Grayewicked]

@@imanismail8966 wasn't Passkey Serval already a thing since 1.0, though? But yeah I guess taking into account the newer players... Maybe let Herta brew a bit longer and hopefully more people give Serval another chance. She's been great for me.

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

It’s still early. Likely not enough testing

[@jshak28]

is Serval a lot better than Herta for sub dps to justify investing in her? I have a built Herta but not Serval.

[@chickennuggcorgi]

​@@jshak28 I mean to be fair, that's the thing. Pretty much no one has an invested serval, but almost everyone has a Herta invested, especially since most of her eidolons are given for free and in general she's easier to build for PF than serval. In terms of relevance, yes Serval is really good, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume players want to build serval over a guaranteed, freer alternative with more options

[@thefisherguy7269]

The DPS tier list ain't even a tierlist at this point its a conveyor belt with the exception of Firefly

[@zeeadmirale1881]

Don't worry, her time will eventually come too

[@KhoiNguyen-gl4kt]

@@zeeadmirale1881 so will every other units you dumb hater

[@wongo6828]

Jade arguably got the biggest buff. Girl is enjoying her T0.5 ranking unti another Erudition replaces her. Thanks Therta!

[@Stanzbey69]

Even when a new erudition releases, Jade will always be a solid option because of her being FUA. Perfect synergy with therta

[@magnashake]

​@@Stanzbey69 ...unless they make the new one also do FUAs. I wouldn't put anything past mihojoe at this point

[@yulfine1688]

​@@Stanzbey69perfect synergy? She's the worst performing character for therta... By a Longshot shot both mini herta mainly PF or everything else passkey and eagle serval do far better. Jade doesn't have the ability to battery therta worth anything on her own and debt collector is useless. If you use lingsha that helps, but many use aven ir huo huo etc, so no jade has very poor synergy with therta

[@oliveratom5957]

@@Stanzbey69 Honestly she is not that good with Therta, both Serval (with RMC) and mini Herta feel better than her, Therta feels like Acheron without Jiaoqiu (but way stronger), she feels like she doesnt have her BiS erudition tm8 still

[@Stanzbey69]

@ sp positive, great personal dmg, easy stack generation with herta being debt collector, free speed. What exactly is bad about Jade Herta?

[@Accountthatexists]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="732">12:12</a> ngl moving the break chars from specialist to dps should of done along time ago

[@dotalbo8279]

Let’s be honest, topaz, march hunt and moze r mainly just up there cuz of their feixiao synergy. Here’s the thing tho, if they r willing to put all three of these characters so high for their synergy with ONE T0 dps, why isn’t Baby herta and Serval in T0.5 for their synergy with Therta? If their argument is that serval and baby herta r in the dos column, then duh, move them to support column for MOC, simple. Also also, just because there is a column for support dps, doesn’t mean one of has to be in T0. Imo topaz in T0.5 MAX and i would argue that march hunt and jade can stay in 0.5 with her. This should be done to avoid new players thinking “hey topaz must be a godly pull if she’s the sole T0 support dps”, then pulling her to realise she’s only a slight upgrade over a f2p e6 4 star and she’s only BiS in one team with 3 other T0 characters.

[@HalloEberynyan]

They are there bcoz of FUA synergy, Feixiao just so happens to be the best FUA dps.

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

@@dotalbo8279 meanwhile RAT before feixiao release

[@Shoujo_o]

March 7th, Topaz, Moze actually have support capabilities in their kit. There would be no justification to have Herta and Serval in support dps tier

[@Oyashio202]

Moze applies debuff, m7 gives a buff to a user. Herta and serval don’t do anything supportive. They are just raw damage which means they are more replaceable.

[@constabrielbell4523]

@@dotalbo8279 march gives speed, is sp positive, attacks consistently, and can be played on break. Moze is a really good fu support and has great survivability heck if you run him with fu xuan she can tank more.

[@jt1973]

Important note for Serval-The Herta -- Serval's talent that hits aoe does not count in terms of giving The Herta energy directly, so unless you are running a skill+ult every turn rotation, her energy regeneration for The Herta falls off a bit, making her quite SP hungry as a battery. It is however important if you run The Herta/Serval/RMC, as that energy gen helps battery RMC :) Argenti is indeed better than Serval as a battery, its just not a huge difference atm. He gets energy from enemies spawning so he can ult in between turns as well, which sounds trivial but actually does matter when it comes to lining up buffs/debuffs for The Herta's enhanced skill and making sure esp. at e1/e2 that she has maximum stacks on adjacent targets, or at e0 it helps with transfering stacks to make the climb back to 42 seamless on the main target.

[@yulfine1688]

He's also not a character many have nor has he had a rerun ontop for the fact he's a 5 star and so forth, so serval is easily the best option and her stats matter little since she's there to battery, so any eagle set on her works fine with passkey.

[@afish4583]

@@yulfine1688while it’s true I wouldn’t say you should pull Argenti for therta, that doesn’t negate that if you say serval is bis, then you would have to say Argenti is a BIS by the same logic because he can do everything serval does but better with a cheaper ult. Pull value =\= BIS But both will be replaced at some point I’m sure. Really I think it’s a testament to how flexible Therta can be

[@yulfine1688]

@afish4583 we aren't aware of any erudition units coming up yet, minus anaxa rumor which i was arguing with someone since the leaker wasn't credible the post removed, and everywhere I checked none of the more renewed leakers said anything of the sort, plus they showed ult and talent for anaxa with a likely mistranslation saying her instead of his, unless for someone anaxa became female though anaxa is more feminine and anax is the masculine for Greek and technically anaxa isn't right its anassa which would mean queen, anax is military leader basically. Either way from the ult and such it sounds like nihility being a combo of welt and Silverwolf so it'd be strange to be a erudition character having random weakness implant per instance of either ult damage or damage its unknown from wording so either the ult hits once or multiple times whatever the case. I doubt he's going to be imaginary erudition because mydei came before and none of anaxas design anywhere says imaginary at least with mydei you could make some excuse despite the fact he should've been physical or fire. There's still too little known about the rest of his kit and how it actually works entirely because he could be good or entirely useless who knows.

[@afish4583]

@ yeah I agree I was telling someone this earlier that the leak was way too shady to put much faith in. Jade would also follow the IPC trend of being released before their time

[@BenBeckmane]

Sunday being more SP positive than Sparkle is a lie from the government. Sparkle generates 3 SP with her Technique, Sunday never starts with ult up so he starts at -1 SP. That's a 4 SP difference right away. Now he does generate faster with his LC, but it takes 12 turns for him to catch up to Sparkle in terms of total SP generated. And that's assuming a best case scenario where Sparkle never gets hit enough to save a turn on her ult, because saving a turn on Sparkle's ult gives her 2x more SP positivity than saving a turn on Sunday's ult. 12 turns is at least 4 cycles, just to catch up to Sparkle's SP generation, so yeah.

[@blankuchan4394]

She gets outclassed everywhere else tho lol

[@BenBeckmane]

@@blankuchan4394 Nah there's 1 more thing she outclasses him at, it's teamwide buffs. Sunday's buffs are ALL single target, Sparkle's buffs are all teamwide (including LC buffs) except the advance's crit dmg. If you count all the TOTAL buffs across the team, Sparkle's are much higher than Sunday's. Which makes her the better option for a team with multiple DPS or sub-dps's and without a summoner DPS. Also, if a character buffs their own DMG% a lot, and are Quantum, then Sparkle's buffs are stronger than Sunday's, especially if they're not a summoner. Only example we have right now is Qingque, Sparkle's buffs actually enhance her damage more than Sunday's, assuming you run her with Hyperspeed. Although this doesn't account for the energy that he gives, so even then it's not all that much of a difference.

[@DennyTheReaper]

Not true. As much as I prefer Hanabi. Sunday e0s1 is more sp positive. Ofc prydwyn still does s0 no clue why but oh well. But e0s1 starts with enough energy when u skill, ally plays u can cast ult(i do that with mine)

[@BenBeckmane]

@@DennyTheReaper Tell me you didn't read what I said without telling me you didn't read what I said. He's more SP positive than her... After 12 turns, at which point both have generated 7 SP. Because Sparkle generates 3 from her Technique, and Sunday starts at -1 because he never has his ult up at the start. That makes Sparkle more SP positive than Sunday for 12 turns. It's called a linear equation.

[@ZytenEspada]

Cope

[@treysmith9371]

I love my Huo huo. She has 7k hp and 144 spd but she still is sketchy sustaining full teams sometimes. Enemies are doing a lot of damage these days

[@vvverne]

Honestly I recommend cutting off a lot of that hp (you only need like around 6k) and focus on making her atleast 160 speed. More turns = more sp & chance to heal

[@treysmith9371]

@ I’ll have to try that out

[@The-weird-kidT_T]

I cant wait for castorice to drop seeing all these herta pulls n guids n ppl saying she's busted is so tempting but ik ill regret it cuz i always try to get a dps with their sig lc being f2p is hard😭

[@Jade_Bodega]

To be fair, if ure clearing all end game content right now you’ll be fine. Seeing just how fast feixiao and lingsha reran, if TH banner is super succesful she’ll get rerun somewhere in 3.2-3.5 so if she really ends up being the most catered too dps (i doubt it castorice will be the one that will get mecha shilled), you can always get her on her rerun.

[@Devika2545]

I'm just going to skip 3.0 and and wait until 3.1 almost ends to see how well Mydei performs with Castorice and just in general how good Mydei can be on his own. If he's good enough, I'll use my gurantee to pull Mydei and then get Castorice in 3.2 choosing to wait for LC in rerun. If he's not good enough, E0S1 Castorice. In both cases, will be trying the 50-50 for new ubandance in 3.3 because I lack two proper limited sustains.

[@mongrelshadow14]

If you can already full clear PF then TH doesn't do anything for you realistically. I say this as an E1S1 owner as well. TO BE COMPLETELY FAIR both units that drop in 3.0 are literally just luxury pulls. You pull TH if you love Eru characters/Herta. You pull Aglaea if you want in on the summon DPS train early and didn't grab JY. Castorice regardless of leaks is an anniversary unit like Acheron was. IMO that's the only reason to wait to pull for her regardless of what she does.

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

What do you expect. Even once Castorice drops, it’ll just be a matter of time before they powercreep her. With insane characters getting powercrept in less than a year, no dps can have a long shelf-life.

[@Devika2545]

@@user-ot4ly9dp1c With the fact that you get enough pulls to get one 5 star every patch. Assuming you don't try to pull for every character(which is what whales might do), a character that can last for over 1 year competitively is pretty dang good.

[@Mimic_656]

Idk but why I feel the chat was tried to doompost Moze but they are hail March Hunt. But yep surprisingly his score was higher than March both in MOC and AS:p

[@kyuuketsukikun420]

I really like them both

[@Mimic_656]

@@kyuuketsukikun420yeah me too

[@The_CodFish69]

I didn’t know people hated on bro he’s a Mini Topass and so good at this job there’s almost no need to pull her off you have E2 Moze.

[@Mimic_656]

⁠@@The_CodFish69um no I think they not hated on him, I think they just delusional about their waifu

[@Mimic_656]

@@The_CodFish69I think they not hated on him, I think they are just delusional about their waifu

[@tsuyu6015]

Why is firefly still in tier 0? She clearly has fallen off and was shown to perform worse than acheron boothill and even Rappa in some scenarios Edit:for whos not getting it the in some scenarios is only meant for rappa acheron an boothill clears in every

[@rfmmf]

"In some scenarios"

[@Frost65746]

@@rfmmf in some scenarios is just talking about rappa vs firefly. boothill still better

[@AbdullahFettane]

well she hasn't, having a built in weakness implant pretty much invalidates every enemy which is one of the biggest pros, you might say oh boothill also has yea as an ult but ff has it as an enhanced skill

[@LonerWarrior]

Yeah, Firefly perform worst than my Acheron. If Acheron was T0.5 than Firefly should too

[@mirei9225]

I personally consider that right now at this moment, they should move rappa to tier 0, or at least move ff down, even though I believe bh is going to fall off a bit bc erudition meta. But all 3 break dps have more or less the same clear cycles on average, ff is just not suitable for 0 cycles, but her average clear cycle is quite good, even for casual players.

[@TsuchiGamer06]

In future 3.x versions, I can definitely see Feixiao going down to T0.5 (I love my Feixiao but they're definitely gearing more stuff to aoe content) and Robin going down to t0.5 bc she won't be able to support Tribbie, Mydei or Castorice as effectively as Sunday can boost Aglaea and Castorice, especially at e0s0 levels. Huohuo, Fu Xuan and Luocha are also expected to shift too but we'll see

[@shiraragishintarou836]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="286">4:46</a> I think its because FF has easy team because her best team is with H.MC, a free unit. When Rappa and boothil got more benefit from Fugue

[@yulfine1688]

Thing is as well is you sort of can replace Ruan mei with fugue instead for sustain teams and I'm not sure how close it is but fugue helps a ton with hmc, and even rmc works weirdly well with FF or any break unit due to how true damage works it's actually a bit funny.

[@camelnotllama]

​@yulfine1688 I'd expect rmc to work better with bh and rappa just due to the nature of them doing insane burst

[@ivurisu6262]

Firefly the goat

[@OrRaino]

Still one of my best decisions to pull for a character, 6 months later she's still the Goat.

[@ivurisu6262]

@OrRaino I pulled her e2s1 on her release and I 0 cycled every moc ever since lmao always cleared the other end game content too. Now she can even run sustainless

[@Yuusuke69]

Took 2 patches for Feixiao to already be threatened and on the verge of falling down from T0 lmao. No wonder they're rerunning her now in 3.0, it's to bait players into pulling her one last time before she completely falls off o7.

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

@@Yuusuke69 that's why we call her, benchxiao lmao

[@lordradiance2530]

average crit dps, dead in 3 patches

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

​@@lordradiance2530Meanwhile acheron still being a reliable DPS 6 patches later

[@lordradiance2530]

@@Ocacadordecasadas hoyo has favorites we been knew

[@Skyder2012]

I got her in 10 pulls randomly by mistake on her release. I don't even use her. 💀

[@techniKally_YT]

Idk how to feel seeing my fav DPS on the literal bottom of the T5. My Yanqing did 4 cycles in MoC12 on Swarm. guess im the only Yanqing main left.

[@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873]

this tier list never really matters, you can clear the game with almost any character with right build

[@klarenceearlnatura5229]

Firefly still the most budget dps literally so easy to build+ superbreak stacks + apply weakness

[@YungNah-t8f]

I used Gepard to 3 star MoC 12 the last 5 cycles I think he is slept on tbh

[@Crystalwizardtrue]

Gepard is amazing

[@Weltte]

tru

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

Fun fact: A 3 cost E0S0 Firefly sustainless team can 2 cycle the Nikador legion boss which was supposed to counter Firefly due to fire res And can 1 cycle sam even at 3 cost, now you know why this unit is T0 since even the boss that counters her, she doesn't give a fuck 😂

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

It isn’t countering FF if there’s no weakness-lock

[@rafaelrose14]

ehh 1 cost the herta can one or zero cycle nikador, soo putting ff and fei in the same tier with the herta is kinda something lol and the herta doesnt even hv her best team yet

[@io2900]

​@@user-ot4ly9dp1cYeah but still a massive handicap and the team still do well is impressive

[@The_CodFish69]

@@rafaelrose14omg a unit half a year newer is better then an old unit and an AoE focused kit and team ( that’s meta with 4 stars so better at low cost ) is Meta against a AoE boas that offs himself if you kill his summons??? Good thing you’re here to tell us.

[@avEn_12]

what does "cost" mean in this context?

[@whitey6453]

Personally don't understand Topaz placement in T0. Is she good? Yes. Is she the best in her category? Possible. But her level of performance is nowhere near the level of the other T0 characters

[@grampaseri]

The categories aren't meant to be compared between each other. There's a whole disclaimer about that. I also think Hunt March should be T0 instead, she's comparable if not better than Topaz and entirely free.

[@whitey6453]

@@grampaseri Yes, but there is also the point that T0 is supposed to be outrageously good in their role and Topaz is just not that good. I feel like neither should be T0, just cause while they are both great, they are not at a point where they completely outshine everybody else in their field

[@grampaseri]

@whitey6453 Having no unit at all in T0 doesn't make sense because it's still the top performers in that role. Some unit(s) have to be the best even if it's marginal. That's why 0.5 exists.

[@OrRaino]

​@@whitey6453I totally agree with you, Seeing characters like Jade, TopAzz in T0, T0.5 looks so wrong because when you put them in a tierlist without dividing them in their category, Most of them falls in B/mid tierlist

[@MrJceOfficial]

It's so funny how most people still couldn't accept the fact the Firefly is in T0 for casuals 😂

[@ZytenEspada]

Yeah you don't need a brain to play firefly.

[@Kaitzer]

We are moving away from fire imaginary weakness into Ice quantum lighting so firefly being able to clear both single target and multi target and not caring about weakness is why she's tier 0

[@camelnotllama]

If only she could do it with e0s0 without ruan mei reliably

[@donainchhinayon2057]

@@camelnotllama wdym literally every dps relies on ruan mei or robin to generate million damage

[@Grayewicked]

Not Firefly. Everyone's weak to Fire with her, lol. Same thing with Boothill, although he's more at risk being a single target DPS.

[@comehome4226]

​@@camelnotllama"if only you can run wuwa on 2gb ram smoothly" 😂 stupid ass argument 😂 hsr is meant to be played with 4 characters in a TEAM 😂 stupid dog

[@ZytenEspada]

Both moc bosses are blast, the true sting is aoe until you kill the bugs which give the boss tons of vulnerability. That's the only reason firefly is still relevant. Once you see the new MoC firefly is donzo unless you got her E2 which at that point isn't even her own merit anymore.

[@nat6lbg440]

Sorry but Robin not being T0 in PF is bullshit.

[@Nochizaa]

she got easily replaced with the current buff from the pure fiction itself, so that's that

[@Somethingaboutanother1537]

The new pure fiction mechanics kinda makes it that you overkill the enemies with a lot of damage. I'd expect Tribbie to take the T0 purefiction spot on her release because of her spam aoe damage

[@ZytenEspada]

No amplifier in t0 is just stupid, period.​@@Somethingaboutanother1537

[@Godofwarrrs]

The whole list is bullshit, yunli T0 in pf

[@lurkera7351]

The fact that ff can 3 cost 0 cycle BOTH sides with only 1 ddd with only 1 fire weak boss(svarog), is the only thing u need to know why she is tier 0.

[@ZytenEspada]

Wow two blast/ST bosses (true sting is hardly aoe) that work perfectly for her who would have guessed? Can't wait for FF fans to cry next MoC reset.

[@lurkera7351]

@ZytenEspada Here's your crown king 🤡. The fact u call true sting "perfect for her" despite having no fire weak + has fire res + being 2 phase already invalidates ur comment lmfao

[@tranvantan3377]

@@ZytenEspadayall haters been saying this since 2.3 😂

[@TheWaifuConnoisseur]

I still think that FF is the best SupaBreak dps because she basically has all the stuff that makes Boothill and Rappa good, while not being hindered with what makes Boothill and Rappa worst. Some people are also saying Rappa is better for aoe meta, but if that’s your concern, then just put Fugue’s buff on Lingsha and have her handle the aoe break in a FF team.

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

@TheWaifuConnoisseur problem with FF is that her floor is extremely low but so is her ceiling. She's basically the Jingliu of superbreakers, she doesn't benefit from breaking and she gets very little damage increases after you maximize her break vulnerability. She also doesn't have any inherent mechanic that benefits from exo-toughness like pocket trick shot and charges, which also means you can't really "optimize" her gameplay, a Firefly run on MoC on auto and on manual will look extremely similar. As an example, I went from a dogshit rainbow set to a full 4pc+2pc, 16 usefull rolls set and still clear moc12 in the same number of cycles + AS 4 around the same AV. She'll probably stay usable for 2 or 3 patches but I don't see a longevity higher than 6 patches after release

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

​@@LucasGomes-ng2goif that's the case then don't be surprised both rappa and boothill moves to T3

[@Vlad-nc4xc]

@@zxcentsensei.sunder boothill has the highest damage ceiling among breakers and will obviously live longer than others.

[@Salientspeaker56]

​@@Vlad-nc4xcBut BH is bad in PF and struggles in Aoe content when hsr sends a second row of enemies, you kiss him goodbye

[@kodummusitdown1695]

​@@Salientspeaker56 bh isn't bad in pf anymore with the new update and fugue, try to keep up before commenting about the unit

[@shotgunshogun4707]

Am i crazy or is this the least sus tier list prydwin had in the past few months. At least as far as the top half of it goes. According to their own criteria and surprisingly for once, their own numbers as well, this is a solid list. I do think people will still ignore certain things for fun and/or just shit on units they don't like. Example, the only units that properly support acheron as it currently stands of the 5 roster are JQ and maaaaybe fugue ONLY if u give acheron an aventurine with trend LC to help her print stacks...but the funny part is...only JQ is amplifying acheron's dmg in any meaningful way...sure u have aven ult and fugue skill but both are limited in target coverage and both have RnG uptime practically completly relying on aventurine not to mention their numerical value is substantially lower than any supp filling their role would for any other dps. Yet somehow her clears are relative to all the other dps if not better at certain contexts and has been the most consistent out of all em since her launch with none-of the shilling involved. But she's washed apparently. Another thing is FF being at the top makes sense (we get it u hate her for blah blah blah blah)...people thought just cause her ceiling was lower than boothill and rappa that she'd be found in a ditch but they also failed to see how much more complete her comp is compared tl the other 2 and the fact that her floor is also much higher than both...on top of her being running at a 100% frame one compared to them and with a much better LC situation than both of em...i personally prefer bootycheeks but she has em beat based on prydwin's criteria One final example is the topaz thing...pokke is absolutely not crazy in assuming march 8th is nuts...she is absolutely fkn insane for a free unit but, she is most certainly not better than topaz at topaz's job...march has significantly less dmg amp properties than topaz and has less personal dmg across a fight and the sp point is moot cause topaz is sp postive at base but can be negative to amp her own dmg output if u need to and at that point topaz just shits on march in overall personal dmg. March is stil fantastic as a stand alone unit and is underrated for how unique she is. But ye this is a rare prydwin W imo...their placements do not contradict their criteria or data. I still think they have something against the 1.0 dps cause they have been doing just fine in this moc but maybe they're waiting for another rotation to adjust things, seele and JL both are performing great on side 2... and dot and blade are great on side one.

[@ZytenEspada]

Nah this list might be their worst one

[@shotgunshogun4707]

@ZytenEspada elaborate...which placement of a character u like makes u say that unconditionally? Cause seele is one of my favourites and if ran with a sustain, e0s0, supps also e0s0...she ain't allat. So I'm not too fussed about it.

[@ZytenEspada]

Himeko placement makes zero sense to me, bias aside I have used her for every content in the game. Her scores are built off a major build issue that has been plaguing her since breaks inception. I've seen people actually say Break Himeko is better than Crit which is WRONG and why all these scores are shit. 33k AVG in Pure Fiction??? Are you fr?that's a joke. She is not 2 tiers below The Herta that's actually so wrong it actually pisses me off how much they are shilling this fucking character. Fugue is T0 in PF and so is Sunday this list especially when Fugue doesnt need S5 DDD to 0 cycle it. Sunday will definitely be T0 once we get Agalea and Castorice@@shotgunshogun4707

[@sahil00001]

Fr cuz of herta environment is really made for erudition 💀 So ig. Rank 1 strongest dps will be herta and in general her single target his are strong too Rank 2 : rappa or acheron ig Rank 3 : anyone from rank 2 Rank 4 : feixiao Rank5 :ff 6 : yunlie or cowboy with guns

[@bartekjz4967]

Feixiao is easily top 2

[@sahil00001]

@bartekjz4967 hmm ig. Acheron is bit better cuz of aoe. I really struggle with fei even with her premium team 💀 and i don't even have acheron so I'm not gonna glaze .not even fav character like fei

[@bartekjz4967]

@@sahil00001 feixiao is very good for for aoe aswell,she 3 cost 0 cycles the banana monkey boss which is the same amount of cost as rappa and 3 costs the 3.0 boss which is also the same amount as aglaea

[@sahil00001]

@@bartekjz4967 still acheron is better now in this erudition meta

[@bartekjz4967]

@@sahil00001 not really but okay

[@coraW]

my babygirl topaz in t0? i’ll take it, this tier list is a W

[@akdrzllol1698]

If it’s last 3 moc then jingliu isn’t t2 imo. Does good against the banana boss and this moc aswell.

[@AzureNeko2]

If Acheron makes a comeback I'll be so happy I love her

[@InterNapt]

Mrpokke thumbnails are getting worse and worse

[@jt1973]

Damn, the Herta got me my 36th star in APOC though, 3650 clear, she's obvi bad into Cocolia, but once you break the boss she's great at saving action value and 1 shotting or 2 shotting it to the next phase.

[@tipithedhedhistar4132]

If we look at the last 3 cycles. The oldest she had choir. The following she had the banana boss (with Lingsha) Then svarog this time. Rappa performs better in the latest 2. Rappa should already be above FF at e0s0. Once Aglaea drops I expect a shift. Feixiao and FF to go down 0.5

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

Take note firefly was able to 3 cost 0 cycles of this moc without any DDD Rappa however was needing more cost and ddd to 0 cycle both sides The winner here is clearly firefly as it bruteforces every content like a joke while rappa struggles ass against like aven or hoolay

[@srishtisharma3908]

Ff is literally better than rappa in the all the moc’s after fugue release

[@Mikaela_77]

Lol so what your saying practically is that there's only 3 scenarios where Rappa performs better than FF, and FF performs better in literally every other scenario. Idk what your trying to say here but the reason why FF is better is right in front of you.

[@tipithedhedhistar4132]

@ prydwyn tier list is based off of the last 3 cycles. As per their criteria. So if Rappa on average clears faster through their data then she will go above FF (theoretically).

[@kingsimba9513]

@@srishtisharma3908 Lol just making shit up? According to Prydwen's stats, In 2.7's MOC, Rappa had an average cycle of 8.63 with FF at 9.35 (which, btw, is the slowest out of all 2.x characters). In 2.6 Rappa had 7.63 with FF at 8.43. But sure, FF is better lmao.

[@itzzsamree7336]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2013">33:33</a> he is crazy it’s gotta be Acheron for the dps you choose she is just to beneficial…

[@MJAY552]

every tier list is complete BS including Prydwen lol

[@Piscore]

My Acheron in Banana Boss deal near to 3 millions when all monkeys dont have any bars, wipe all hp in one ultimate

[@I._.Iy0]

At this point firefly is mahoraga of hsr according to prydwen 😂

[@donainchhinayon2057]

as FF main we still struggle in PF

[@OrRaino]

​@@donainchhinayon2057 I sometimes struggle in PF 4 but She's carrying my ass in PF3.

[@tranvantan3377]

@@donainchhinayon2057just pull lingsha and you’re set

[@kirblar]

I think they're gonna keep Acheron at .5 just because of the LC thing (where the majority of Acheron players pulled the LC.)

[@brianmoore5366]

Despite being at a disadvantage with the more aoe focused MoC's, Firefly is still putting up competitive clear times. Consistent dmg output, fixed energy regeneration, excellent free to play options, easy to build, capabilitiey of taking 4-5 turns per cycle depending on build, and excellent team synergy thanks to her fire weakness implant off her technique and off her skill. Firefly has proven to be an excellent choice no matter the element requirements or enemy count putting up excellent clear times against St, 3 target, and 5 target. I'm sure she will adventually go down as we get more aoe focused units in this upcoming aoe meta, but she will always be that comfy choice that i will say for now still deserves her spot in tier 0. Its like the same situation with Ruan Mei. There is just not another unit doing what she is doing currently. I'm against moving Rappa into tier 0 for the moment. In my time using her she is just very inconsistent. Sometimes she gets her ult right back sometimes she doesn't. Sometimes a skill will do. Sometimes 2 and a random stray to face. Higher HP bars come with higher toughness bars causeing her to stagger her breaks. So there are instances where she cashes out her charges before breaking the main target causeing a major dps loss. Rappa is capable of putting up some your best clear times and your worst. Her Charge mechanic is the best and worst part of her kit. She only really functions well when she has a constant influx of enemies to farm charges and regenerate energy off of. Fugue didn't fix Rappa just gave her a bigger window that is slowly being shut on her again. Especially with the next MoC rotation kind of kicking her in the ass.

[@TheBest_AZA]

fugue letting trailblazer shred through non imaginary enemies has felt like all i needed all along tbh

[@brianmoore5366]

@TheBest_AZA this is just from my experience using her. She just easily finds herself in situations where just hits a wall. I've used her DU, SU, and to farm a couple bosses. The Sunday boss fight shows her at her best and her worst. She will blast through the first 2 phases and then make up all that time u saved in the first 2 phases in the 3rd phase when its just the order. She struggles so much in solo situations, duo situations, and certain 3 target situations. I noticed her struggles against high pools and toughness bars in SU and DU at higher difficulty. In the early stages before u get the big buffs to her dmg. Stagger breaking, cashing out her charges before breaking the main target and struggling to finish the fight once her charges are gone. All of this is just my personal experience with her

[@TheBest_AZA]

@@brianmoore5366 i completely forgot about DU and the sunday fight and i think thats a valid point to bring up because it shows what weaknesses she could have in the future and how hard they could wall off rappa if the meta has a big switch up i also think these tierlists are mostly to help newer players who would be grinding through that stuff still and might encounter those issues

[@brianmoore5366]

@TheBest_AZA I know these tier list only show how well the units work in a particular end game mode, but knowing how easy rappa can be walled off makes me hesitate to call her a tier 0 unit. A slight change in the MoC could send her down a few tiers. Honestly, a general tier list would be nice as people do pull based on them

[@ZytenEspada]

True sting isn't true aoe 😂

[@TricksPodigy]

i think u need to do way more boothill testing. at e0 s0 he clear feixiao so hard even in her best in slot team in all content. bis team against bis team u are lucky to get 3-4 cycles against swarm and svarog with feixiao, meanwhile boothill 0-1 cycles even with the hp inflation.

[@flakey9155]

this is firefly+rm+fugue+lingsha vs rappa+rm+fugue+lingsha. everyone at e0s0. firefly is the clear better choice and isn't hard locked into needing fire+imaginary weakness. AOE is covered by lingsha, while the focus damage is covered by firefly. FF's team can brute force any side, even if it doesn't have fire weakness. Take this moc for example its the ice/quantum/physical bug moc, firefly can do side 2 with that team, while for rappa it would not be reasonable to even attempt side 2.

[@ZytenEspada]

??? Do you know what fugue does you idiot?

[@nickarooroo6397]

Sunday definitely gonna be going up to T0 soon

[@arcadius3257]

The fact that Rappa is still not in T0 is honestly ridiculous, she's easily just as good as Firefly now. Same goes for Fugue, she should be in T0 too.

[@acewing3889]

This is the same tier list site that put piper from zzz in t2 or t3 I can't remember. It's a clown show.

[@Devika2545]

@@acewing3889 Entirely depends on collected data. Most tier lists are just what the creator thinks. The fault with the former is that it takes time and needs a lot of data. The fault with the latter is that unless the creator is really really good, it's bound to have many mistakes.

[@kingsimba9513]

@devika2545 But their own data shows that Rappa has outperformed Firefly in all three endgame modes since her debut 2 patches ago. I can understand if they want more data to make a more informed decision, but they were quick to rank other T0 characters highly on their release (despite the environment being equally shilled for them). They're either hypocrical or just plain incompetent.

[@suzain_769]

I have both rappa and firefly and firefly is much easier to play and performance better but i don't have fuge

[@Devika2545]

@@kingsimba9513 I feel like it's the fact that she isn't as universally usable everywhere, needs aoe benefiting enemies(much less than most erudition but it still exists)and the fact that with and without Fugue, there's quite a diffrence. Acheron being top of 0.5 at e0s0 is what I have a problem with tbh. She is 0.5 if she has Jiaoqiu at E0S0 in my personal opinion.

[@DDRdavo]

I argued with your HSR help chat for an hour telling them to swap lynx and bailu and they did and I agree it's still not enough.

[@baosonnguyen9968]

Ff with full break team still the best ❤❤❤

[@Vlad-nc4xc]

no

[@io2900]

​@@Vlad-nc4xcyes

[@blazeyprime4470]

​@@Vlad-nc4xcyes, cope harder

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

@@Vlad-nc4xc yes, fym?

[@Narubodrinch]

We are slowly moving forward to an AoE meta, and this is just the first wave. Hunt must hold on tight if they still want to keep up, but some old Destruction must step down and let Erudition/Remembrance/Nihility take their places.

[@charizsy]

Damn so i should not pull on feixiao now ?

[@omarabdulkarim8236]

If you're pulling for meta, you should basically never pull for a dps on a rerun

[@Devika2545]

​@@omarabdulkarim8236Yep, DPS reruns are only a pull if you already have the character so that you can get Eidolons.

[@kingsimba9513]

Let's put it this way. Before 3.0, leaks indicated Hoyo would eventually introduce a second row of enemies, thus favoring AoE units. However, they delayed this shift and have decided to rerun two ST-heavy characters (Feixiao/BH) simultaneously. Doesn't take a genius to see this as a push to squeeze out revenue from these units before sidelining them over the next few months. Does this make them bad? No, but just as DoT struggled in 2.x, they likely won’t shine in 3.x. Just my opinion.

[@blue_dream21]

Feixiao,topaz,robin, and aventurine team will always be relevant especially if you have eidolons

[@Mimic_656]

⁠@@blue_dream21then just wait to see how Hoyo would increase the HP to the enemies and would make those Amphoreus enemies are AOE and can share their HP lol💀

[@thearchivist250]

March 7 Hunt is insanely good for a free unit. Max out her traces.

[@TheFateGuy]

Why is acheron in t0.5, i use e0s0 and she clears the moc on the first side, meanwhile my e1s1 firefly cannot clear as fast as my acheron, tf is this bullshit

[@IshyMimic]

Her best supp JQ has been top performing since release yet she still isn't tier 0. Idk why they even removed her in the first place 😔

[@TheFateGuy]

@ ikr they tryna make it look like powercreep is that devestating even though its not as bad 😭

[@comehome4226]

your account is not everyones account 😂

[@roxydrag7]

Finally Ratio is not as same tier as Yunli. Bro suck without his lightcone.

[@juniorraya1023]

As always Prywden being the joke of all gachas Its annoying tho that while every other community from others games know that Prywden sucks, here in HSR ppl think its a good reference lol U can notice with Feixiao and FireMid being high ,Aventurine same as Lingsha and Ruan Mei same as Robin Thks for the laugh Prywden

[@UnknowinglyRL]

Yeah I'm with you prydwen joke here gave me a good laugh (I feel bad for people who actually think prydwen does anything good/know what he's doing he's a total joke)

[@tolotrahasinaranjalahyraso6339]

You mad stop weed bro

[@deltaspecies1697]

Feixiao deserves the spot, fireflop should be all the down in t1 or below.

[@juniorraya1023]

@@deltaspecies1697 Feixio with her BiS team can't get lower than 3 cycles and with 0 cycle it has higher cost than Seele lol

[@UnknowinglyRL]

@deltaspecies1697 feixiao if you have robin otherwise absolutely tf not and yes ff needs to drop

[@mizukichan999]

yunli in tier 0.5 and tier 1? just say you don’t play her and stop spreading misinfo. this is why so many people don’t take prydwen seriously.

[@choppy3115]

Who actually uses moze over topaz or hunt march

[@Mimic_656]

Then go watch the total score in MOC and AS

[@Grayewicked]

Try using March and Moze together; works wonders.

[@Misaka05050]

Those who were lucky enough to get E6 I guess.

[@siawkaimunpaul6944]

No LC herta and sunday in team skill point will stuck at 3rd use skill

[@lionelsioco123]

so The Herta in T0..... for now on this patch? until hoyoverse changes again the MoC, PF and Apoc i guess....

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

both her and Rappa will probably fall off hard if we leave this current state of AoE META

[@edwinnursyarief1473]

Thats the point of the tierlist, it is literally the tierlist based of the CURRENT MOC

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

@@edwinnursyarief1473 it is not, it never was, just read the goddam website

[@mangasinatanaelpanjaitan3048]

Herta should still be T0 until 3.1 at least, since the other Amphoreus boss is pretty tailormade for her. Castorice may usurp her in that later in 3.2, but she should still be second best at least.

[@Grayewicked]

​@@LucasGomes-ng2go Rappa, definitely; The Herta, with her Interpretation stacks mechanic, I'm not sure.

[@TheReMiXTheo]

the zero escape and ai somnium files sound track >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[@TheWanHui]

I was wondering why the BGM sounded so familiar. I was really surprised when I realized it was from AI:TSF, since that series is pretty lowkey despite being alongside AA and Danganronpa for being my personal favorite murder mystery VN’s

[@cincan804]

why is chat like that to Topaz?

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

Because they dont have her

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

Tbf, I’ve had Topaz for a while now and I’ve rarely had uses for her. You really want a dedicated FuA team for her to shine

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

everybody skipped Topaz for Jingliu, now they have to cope with "March 7th is just as good" to not feel like idiots

[@topkekkek2135]

Topaz is not that good at e0s0. She's like 7% better than march or moze. A total waste of pulls if you're not going for e1s1.

[@roxydrag7]

Because I tried to get her every time she's on the banner but lost 50/50 every single time.

[@mrJones-ii7sh]

Bailus not even bad you just need s5 time waits for no one and then you never die ever

[@eugenarioshek70]

Rappa is better with Fugue. Cope harder. Prydwen is tripping here.

[@HalloEberynyan]

Agreed

[@blazeyprime4470]

😂 right back at you

[@Infrrnus]

ou where's HMC now lmfao firefly needs HMC to even function now that RMC dropped

[@GorgeousGirlGenius]

At E0S0? I don't think so... Out of the three breakers, Rappa needs her LC the most, not even E0S0 fugue can help her with that

[@WestProZ17]

You're the one coping 🤣

[@OWENBeard-h6y]

E0s0 the herta has no energy issues and can spam her ultimate without any regen buffs

[@afish4583]

Me the single Argenti main rising up 🧍‍♂️

[@Crystalwizardtrue]

Argenti works surprisingly well with The herta

[@Weltte]

Fellow Argenti user hey!

[@truedarkknight0882]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1306">21:46</a> I feel as if Sunday and Fugue join T0, then they leave Jiaqou behind 😭

[@francoisdebourbon3378]

One thing that proves Prydwen are hypocritical and biased is that they instantly shifted The Herta to T0, while when Rappa was released they were like: "Yes, she's T0, but we need to collect more data because current MoC is designed for her. Once we do that we will move her 😊." Like, yeah, the current MoC is not made with Herta in mind, right? No hate toward Herta, she definitely deserves T0.

[@ZytenEspada]

Yup they already proved this with their JY and Argenti slander back then. Now they slandering himeko.

[@NearAir]

Dude, if The Herta gets a 000 ranking, *I’MA BUST*

[@pyvoth]

The fun's of having a low tier character e6s5 is that it doesn't matter because I nuke everything

[@pyvoth]

It's argenti btw

[@pyvoth]

At least in the content where he doesn't shine

[@Sasorislovery]

Rock on

[@basedsammo2831]

Good job wasting money

[@austin17721]

@@basedsammo2831 It's not your money, is it? They didn't buy it for you, did they? So how can you declare it's a waste of money? Literally all e6s5 5*s are "wastes" of money, nobody needs e6s5. One of the biggest reasons people e6s5 a character is because they really, really love that character and they probably want to use them for as long as possible. So if they love the character, the character is lasting longer now, and they're happy, how can you call it a waste?

[@tiexcer7444]

Ahh, I am soo confused about whether I should pull for Jade (can afford E0S0 only) OR should I pull for THerta's LC only, because there's first Tribbie (new BiS support for THerta in 3.1) and secondly Anaxa (Another Erudition unit as a support for THerta, like how Jiaoqiu is for Acheron) in 3.2 are coming... So, idk whether at this point of time in 3.0 , is Jade now worth the investment or not? and that too at E0S0 only?

[@ashimsy]

Wait for Castorice

[@tiexcer7444]

@@ashimsy I will be pulling for Castorice (E0S1), since I already have Sunday, Robin and Huohuo ready for her, so that's not the problem..

[@JustLowy]

All Firefly haters crying so hard

[@Quebeccc]

tell tectone abt it

[@utilae1]

Has anyone tried Fugue + Lingsha with Acheron? Lingsha starts inflicting defense break and gives Acheron stacks. Acheron definitely buffed by Fugue. And I use Sparkle with her too.

[@ieatwalnut9088]

unless fugue is e1, acheron won't get that much stack since lingsha thoughness dmg is quite low.

[@utilae1]

@@ieatwalnut9088 Extra weakness break doesn't matter. Acheron gets a stack whenever an ally inflicts a debuff. Fugue is on pearl LC, so inflicts debuffs herself. Then have Fugue use skill on Lingsha. Whever Lingsha skill, ult or followup, Fugue inflicts defense break on the enemy (on Lingshas turn). I have observed the effect, and my Acherons damage has increased by like 200K lol.

[@blazeyprime4470]

Prydwen is garbage when it comes to doing tier lists lol

[@Jiii8777]

Guys I pulled firefly and can’t clear. Am I cooked?

[@jawbonedis]

I'll also agree FF should go down to T0.5 since all dps are now combine in 1 category plus i also quite don't agree any of those break dps to be T0 because SPOILERS!!! the new boss "The Titan Nikador" is a bullsh*t boss i swear this boss not only having a High HP it's also has one of if not the hardest hitting boss in the entire game, during the story i tried all sustain characters to tank on that one boss attack and i swear none of them survive except aventurine. Edit: I already said this but FF is like Neuvillete it doesn't matter if new characters out dmg her or better than her all that matter is shes easy, comfy to play and still the most use dps

[@treyrob17]

Really I didn't find him hard to deal with he did hit hard but nothing any of the 5star sustains

[@jawbonedis]

@treyrob17 the boss is fairly easy it's just that at the final phase the boss is very fast but also if u don't have AOE to deal with the spears the dmg of his ult is based on the number of spears that hasn't been destroyed and i promised to all 5 star sustain except for aventurine cannot survive to the boss ult with 2 stacks of spear

[@PabloRodriguezreal]

Nah his dmg so far in overworld is normal, atleast lingsha has no problems

[@jawbonedis]

@PabloRodriguezreal yeah normal sure let's see that normal dmg on next MoC reset

[@PabloRodriguezreal]

@@jawbonedis Well I am also wondering how will that turn out

[@IrruelleLogiqueNeéAllmer]

My favorite part of this man’s videos is that I don’t have to like or subscribe

[@srishtisharma3908]

FF haters coping is crazy, she’s better than rappa bh and Acheron in every single moc after fugue release. She’s literally better than boothill against the bug which is single target. Stop coping and accept the fact. Your boothill does not need to be the best and is not the best. Only feixiao and the herta are better than her. Also at 5-8 cost where you get e2 ff she’s miles better than all the others ( not herta and feixiao) . Mine at 7 cost 0 cycles with sustain, while Acheron at 5 cost takes 3 cycles and that’s when enemy is lightning weak💀

[@LichtVoltere]

Skill issue

[@srishtisharma3908]

@@LichtVoltere both my skill and builds are probably better than yours ever could be

[@mist9307]

Skill issue

[@LichtVoltere]

@ skill issue i got top 1 unit WW 💀👌 anyways dont be so mad

[@themoon3669]

FF skippers for midhill single targets 😂

[@animeanime8497]

Surprising that rappa and acheron ain't T0 in MoC right now lol. It's AoE focused currently, feixiao needs to go down.

[@reigaaa666]

im the one, if u late like this shit

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

For me for feixiao Apoc without fire weakness : March better MoC : topaz better PF : use other team better 😆

[@AlterAce]

the casuals love firefly so they're afraid to drop her when shes clearly not an Apex character at the moment 😂

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

since when? go look at the top usage rates and see how embarrassing your take is

[@m.fauzan6946]

Not everyone has time to do min max characters. The reward for 0 cycle is the same as 10 cycle. Firefly can clear every moc from her release until this patch at least 4 cycles. She also can clear other game content. Also the most comfortable to play. So of course she is t0

[@Vlad-nc4xc]

@@zxcentsensei.sunder But her popularity is not a sign of strength.

[@AlterAce]

​@zxcentsensei.sunder "usage rate" 😂😂😂 you clown you dont even know what a tier list is intended for the only embarrassing thing here is you for attempting to base your argument on a completely irrelevant factor since you lack even the most basic understanding

[@The_CodFish69]

⁠​⁠@@Vlad-nc4xc she has Gotten 3 stars in all 3 EG modes since her release so apparently it isn’t just popularity but her Strength. Also up until recently she’s been one of the lower cost to do so aswell.

[@Zeldrosi]

As always, the (mostly AI generated?) extremely casual website for extremely casual players is not relevant to anyone except extreme casuals.

[@GodofGoblins]

Casuals are the majority whether we like it or not. It isn't super sweaty die hards or whales etc. Its casuals. For perspective, casuals is what kept genshin alive for so long. It is what it is. Besides, more invested gamers that know the game really well don't need tierlist. If we wanna sweat, we know what to use.

[@kanicunny]

E2 FF might still be ok but E0S0 FF is DEFINITELY ain't doing shit dawg💀💀💀 If she's E0S0 she's just there so lingsha could kill everyone

[@cezarsoba]

Unless you're using her naked, and giving her relics to Lingsha, you're just hating. I have e0s1 ff and I've full cleared with way easier than with my e2s1 Acheron, even before I pulled Lingsha and Fagyu. Her ability to just fuck any enemy before they even activate their toughness freeze ability, the fact that her "premium" team is just fire characters, and she implants fire also makes her very valuable because without her, Lingsha wouldn't be doing shit on a break build if there isn't fire weakness. I also know it's useless to argue with you since either you're joking, or you're serious, and I don't know which one is worse.

[@Devika2545]

Fire Implant and overall comfort is what they prioritize. Two cost Firefly at E0S0 can easily 4 cycle the bug without Linghsa and Fugue on an MOC where it's mechanic forces you to take extra cycles.

[@kanicunny]

@@cezarsoba I already expected FF shill commenting instantly and honestly nothing i'll say will break your copium wall anyway. All imma say is, rappa just sweeps

[@srishtisharma3908]

@devika2545ff can 3 cost 0 cycle the bug

[@PabloRodriguezreal]

Than your build must be terrible. Lingsha's dmg doesn't even come close to firefly unless it's banana boss, FF deals atleast 3x more dmg in ST than her. Anyone who actually reads character kit can see that

[@yoonginismo]

i think i’m a happier hsr player sometimes lol, i just don’t care about this guy and his tier list and rather search on youtube about some characters if i want to pull them or if its worth it, and if i really want to pull one, i pull them

[@thunderstormgaming285]

Man, I love seeing ff haters cry every new moc. Keep on crying.

[@ZytenEspada]

You're going to be crying on the next one.

[@SharpLCDTV]

Y’all gotta be children it’s never that deep 😭

[@Teccytone]

FF is better rappa copers stay mad.

[@wintomomuhammad298]

basically best overall DPS as of now is: 1. Herta 0/0/0,5 2. Rappa 0/0,5/0,5 3. Acheron 0,5/0,5/0,5 4. Firefly & Feixiao 0/2/0

[@ZytenEspada]

Herta is overrated and shilled. I think she's is good but she doesn't fucking gap the game her PF placing doesn't reflect that. I personally find Argenti, Himeko, and even her own puppet better than her at clearing just because their kit works better for PF. Both argenti and himeko get energy from destroying enemies so they can ult more, himeko fuas can be spammed with Fugue, 4* herta herself can drive Himeko too if you wish and it's a completely f2p team.

[@cutcorners6005]

Topaz is so overrated. She wont last there very long. also if there is no content for Feixiao, how can she be apex.

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

Because who should ? Moze ?

[@Mimic_656]

@@Kaien-qf6crif Feixiao didn’t exists in this game, it definitely Moze and March

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

@@Mimic_656 who use march and moze without feixiao ?

[@mist9307]

Dog topaz with fei is 0 cycling , how is she trash ?

[@oliveratom5957]

​@@mist9307Ive seen very few FX 0 cycles with E0S0 Topaz compared to March

[@Swrabt]

I can see ff in tier 0 because i have her e2 but at e0 im not sure if she even there

[@ieatwalnut9088]

fire implant helps fugue and lingsha

[@IlMagicoRed]

If you think Firefly is no longer t0 you have brain damage. Get help :)

[@srishtisharma3908]

She just got soo much better with fugue and people think she’s not t0 is crazy💀. She’s better than midhill even in st

[@themoon3669]

they thought fugue aint compatible with firefly lmao 😂 ​@@srishtisharma3908

[@Vlad-nc4xc]

@@srishtisharma3908 But Huley doesn't think that way, and neither does Fugue e1, nor Sunday. Should I continue, or don't you want to answer anymore?

[@srishtisharma3908]

@@Vlad-nc4xc bh is better on adventurine and maybe hoolay I am not sure though as ff got a lot better and hoolay is also weak to fire. But how about we talk about any literally other boss or a mode like pf. If he is worse at true sting , midhill stands no chance. He is already worse in this moc and the previous moc but now in the later moc’s where aoe dpses will prevail he will be t1 and you will still be coping

[@io2900]

​@@Vlad-nc4xcMay I remind you this is a E0 tier list? Also you conveniently forget 5 Bananas, True sting and literally any situation with more than 3 elites

[@davidfrost5995]

Hmm, should I even still pull jiaqoui for acheron, will depend on when he reruns

[@caio7208]

In big 2025 bro still gaslight people into switching Firefly for crappa 💀

[@blazeyprime4470]

Not only that, but the acctually hate I've seen for a fictional character is insane.

[@Infrrnus]

cuz goatpa is better obviously

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

@@Infrrnus then, against aventurine?

[@blankuchan4394]

Fugue and Sunday not being T0 is wild

[@GodofGoblins]

Sunday needs that high quality summon dps to really take off. Jing yuan and lingsha ain't it. Strong but not busted. I presume when aglaea arrives he may rise too. Fugue...yeah she is incredible but still wouldn't compare her to busted Robin or Ruan Mei. Close but if her e1 was built into her base kit, different story

[@OrRaino]

​@@GodofGoblins Aglea and then that Costrica girl with her pet dragon (considering this girl is the anniversary unit ) is definitely putting him in T0 for a long time, Not to mention he is made for resemblance characters, as long as they are making Resemblance characters from now on, He will always have value, he's like the bronya of Resemblance characters.

[@ashimsy]

Firefly on top is deserved 100%

[@tanjiro7396]

Says the one with ff pfp lmao so ironic

[@ashimsy]

@tanjiro7396 alright edgy boy

[@rey4207]

When Aglaea releases, sunday will be T0 for sure.

[@daijoubun6648]

Why are we still giving prydwen credit in the year of our lord 2025

[@tolotrahasinaranjalahyraso6339]

Let me guess your favorite character is not T0 so you are mad 😂

[@daijoubun6648]

@@tolotrahasinaranjalahyraso6339 I don't really care about tierlists because I've been able to 36* clear MoC with what teams I want since launch. But Prydwen specifically has staggeringly bad data collection and flawed criteria for what makes a character good or bad. Nobody takes Prydwen seriously except for HSR players for some reason.

[@shwetasharma6690]

The herta had me full clear my PF 80K stars i love her

[@soaps7033]

mrpokke... i waited 30 minutes for you to talk about boothill... AND YOU DIDNT! YOU WASTED MY TIME! AND EVERYONE ELSES!!!

[@gwterror]

March 8th is better for zero cycles than Topaz, topaz often feels better outside 0 cycles. Unless they resist fire.

[@Soul_King_Jeo]

Is it weird for me to think that I ignored the Prydwen cause I don’t agree with some of the placing on the characters 😅

[@ZytenEspada]

It is indeed a casual and not well thought out list when most of the characters i guarantee they haven't tested themselves or looked into.

[@Soul_King_Jeo]

@ oh ok 👍🏾