War of the Roses Battle Report (Hail Caesar) - 02 (Raid and Pursue)

[@CullodenPaintingStudio]

Very bloody and entertaining. Cheers for sharing Martin.

[@7thson726]

Cheers bud, glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@davidbreen7466]

Really enjoyed the report thanks.

[@7thson726]

Pleased to hear that, thanks very much 👍

[@davidmartyn5044]

Been watching all the WoTR battles, and very much enjoyed the whole set up. I`m not interested in the period myself, but its so well presented can`t help but follow the videos.

[@7thson726]

Really appreciate that, thanks 👍

[@marctitley7020]

Great game to watch. Thanks.

[@7thson726]

Thanks 👍 glad you enjoyed it

[@battlemind]

Just discovered these batreps guys - they are really well done. Thank-you for posting them! I see the similarities between this and Black Powder.

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much 😁 pleased that you like them, they arw great fun to make. There are alot of similarities with BP but some key differences, especially around combat and command, that make it more combat oriented, problem is i get them mixed up sometimes 😅

[@tabletopgeneralsde310]

Very nice game, thanks for sharing.

[@7thson726]

You're welcome 😁👍

[@paulbenson9015]

Fantastic!!! Have enjoyed your Black Powder games but have been hanging for the next WotR. Not disappointed!! Brave sacrifice from Fauconberg with Hastings having obviously left his SatNav at home. Both your armies compliment each other. Your Yorkist Mounted Knights and Matt's Swiss being the best. Well done Gents. More Please 👍

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much 👍 yeah poor old Falconberg just couldn't hold out long enough. Thank you for the kind words about the armies, we have alot more to show off next game 😀

[@norm977]

I love these 6x4 games - thank you.

[@7thson726]

You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it 😀👍

[@raycarpenter6466]

Have enjoyed all the Wars of the Roses games .. Excellent looking forward to more !

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much, more to come once the big move is complete 😁

[@MillersMiniatures]

You have brought shame to the house of YORK! Brilliant report mate. Great table and great armys. Love that you used red dice for lancastirans and white for York. But yer what a game 😁👍

[@7thson726]

Cheees mate, really pleased gou enjoyed it. York will have its day, Edward will be coming next time 😀

[@BootsontheTable]

Excellent battle Martin. Impressive looking armies

[@7thson726]

Thanks mate, hopefully we'll have everything on the table next game, sooo about 400 minis

[@tomwinkelspecht7796]

A York! A York! Great game!

[@7thson726]

Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it 😁

[@michaelhuxley6337]

Another great battle report Martin, only a couple of problems I can see. First is, you have to throw better dice, second is you have to learn to win. Out of seven games with Haley and this one you've lost them all. Only joking, you produce and video the best games and scenarios I've seen for a long time. It's all about enjoying what your doing, and not really about winning. Well done Martin.

[@7thson726]

Thabjs very much, i really appreciate that 😀👍 to be fair if i gave up every tine i lost i would have stopped back in 94 haha i love olaging the games out as you never know what may happen, maybe a lucky arrow will win the day 😉

[@owendouglas3895]

Great stuff. Bad luck getting the cav hit like that. Hope to see more WotR in future!

[@7thson726]

I kniw, it was supposed to be me doing the charging 🤔😀

[@sartanawillpay7977]

@@7thson726 Aren't cavalry allowed to counter-charge if charged? (as long as they are not shaken). I only saw a counter-charge on the last melee with the large unit of knights. It is one of the main ways that Hail Caesar discourages infantry charging cavalry. Counter-Charging would have made a big difference to the game.

[@7thson726]

@@sartanawillpay7977 probably, to be honest its one of those things that is easy to overlook, though, i have jusy finished another battle, and there was definite counter-charging 😁

[@JBurdoo]

Again, well done. These video battle reports are a delight to watch.

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much 👍

[@NicolaiVE]

Great game, I like the wound markers of the lancaster player.

[@7thson726]

Cheers 👍 I'll pass that on

[@baldiesbattlesinminiature5902]

Great report, def got me interested in HC again. Looking forward to more of em. Thanks

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much, there will be more in the future 👍

[@seorwulf1049]

Thanks - really enjoyed that

[@7thson726]

Cheers 👍

[@garybullock5917]

Hi great game you made it fun to watch ive never played i have painted a lot of units for players in the middle of painting a army for a chap i think i will try a game thanks to you all the best

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much, flad you enjoyed it 😀 its a brilliant period to get into as there is so much potential for modelling and painting

[@NicGamz]

Love these battlereports. Well done, thank you!

[@7thson726]

Thanks mate, more to come 👍

[@youreverydaypatriot4188]

Awesomeness battle report I can’t wait for the next one!

[@7thson726]

Cheers 👍 next one York will get revenge haha

[@granapriego]

Great stuff mate, I like these War of the Roses battles. Looking forward to your next one.

[@7thson726]

Cheers mate, hopefully it wont be 6 months like the last one 👍😀

[@rickrussell8382]

Nice battle. Your camera and lighting was great along will your fast forward.

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much 👍 really glad you enjoyed it

[@MedievalWargamer]

What a great battle report Martin!Thoroughly enjoyed it!Cant wait to go home and start mine..

[@7thson726]

Thanks so much Nik, really pleased you enjoyed it, looking forwars to seeing yours when you can 👍😀

[@chriswareing1991]

thanks for sharing another cracking battle report i really do enjoy watching these, i would say the best on youtube. cant wait for more, it was a close run thing shame the reinforcements didnt come on a bit earlier for you

[@7thson726]

Thats really kind 👍😀 thanks very much. I'm really pleased you enjoy them, plenty more to come

[@leont66wargaming31]

Great bat rep again mate.

[@7thson726]

Thanks buddy 👍😀

[@hamsteronthepaintingtable6465]

Another great game 👍🏻😁

[@7thson726]

Cheers mate 👍

[@BitesizeWargaming]

Great work as usual! #goteamlancs

[@7thson726]

Haha thanks mate #yorkwillreturn

[@wayoutwest7]

cool battle report! makes me want to build some War of the Roses models.

[@7thson726]

Cheers 👍 its a great period to play

[@battleknights9636]

interesting game , quite like the rules you used for the village !! :) may do the same

[@7thson726]

I think they worked well, keen to do a more built up game at some point 👍

[@tims8326]

Very good battle report, your format and the explanations of who did what, why and how are first class and something the vast majority of battle reports fail to do. Apologies if this is mentioned in another vid, but where did you get the natty laser cut tokens from? (They seem to be rules specific)

[@7thson726]

Thanks mate, i really appreciate that 👍😃 The tokens are from warbases. You can have tokens custom made on their website

[@theirregulargamer3210]

Great battle report looking forward to more in the future! 2 questions: 1. Where are you figures from 2. Where can I find the unit profiles for wars of the Roses profiles? Tempted to do myself a small army as it looks very fun!! Keep the Hail Ceasar and Black Powder content coming mate!

[@7thson726]

thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it, im sorry for the slow reply, i completely missed it. the figures are from Perry Miniatures mainly, the profiles can be found on the perrys facebook page, Rick Priestly wrote a set of stats up for the WOTR, we've tweeked them a bit to suit our needs a little more, am considering sharing them once we've played acouple mroe games 😀

[@erikchalatsis7637]

Hi Guys. It is very enlightning to watch your videos. You do it in a "feel good" way. Hope you will soon come up with a new one. Preferably "War of the Roses.

[@7thson726]

Really appreciate that, thank you 😃 i will be dping more WOTR as soon as we're allowed to mix again, its actually what im eager to do the most 👍

[@billroy7860]

Great game. What would have happened if the Yorkist reinforcements hadn't turned up? If the Yorkist side had no troops on the table could or would the Yorkist reinforcements have appeared or would it just be assumed that the cart continued to go along and off the table unhindered? Also could the Lancastrians have shifted cavalry to the Yorkist edge of the table and prevent their reinforcements coming on?

[@7thson726]

Thanks 👍😀 I think we would let it play out and maybe played another game where the Lancastrians have fortified their position and York had to break through 🤔

[@oblomovbruce9979]

Shout out to Anthony Trollope and the "Chronicles of Barsetshire"! Though I enjoyed the books, much prefer late medieval gaming - thanks!

[@7thson726]

Late medieval is certainly my period of choice 😁👍

[@AbuHildago]

First 🙋‍♂️😎 Great battle Report. I think i will buy the rulebook but in Germann language.

[@7thson726]

Cheers buddy 👍😀 i love this system

[@historicaldelving5426]

Good video I enjoyed it. I'm curious about what you used to write up those lists at the beginning? Did you use a particular software to do it?

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much 👍😀 I just used Microsoft word 👍

[@historicaldelving5426]

@@7thson726 was afraid you'd say that haha. I wish there was a smooth list writing software along the lines of battlescribe for Historical wargaming :(

[@peterapostolaros6412]

Loving the wars of the roses vids! And is amping me up to work on my Yorkist host. I’m looking to use a haul Caesar mix for the rules. It all seems to make sense but why are mercenary melee infantry in four bases not three?

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much 😀 they are in 4 so they can form a pike block which requires even bases front and back. We classify medium units as 3 or 4 bases, large as 5 + and small as 1 or 2 👍

[@jvcpaints]

Wow. Those break tests. The dice just weren't with you this time out.

[@7thson726]

Tell me about it, just needed a couple more rolls to go my way, mainly the reinforcement roll 😅

[@62seano]

Really enjoyed the battle report, brilliant looking game. Can i ask where did you get the flags and banners from

[@7thson726]

Thanks very much, really glad to hear you enjoyed it 😀 i get all my flags from Freezywater flags, he has a very extensive list but i believe he is closing down at the end at the year

[@62seano]

@@7thson726 Thanks Martin i will check them out

[@GP_uniquehandlefail]

Great batt rep, thanks for putting it together. What would you say was army/board size for Never Mind the Billhooks in comparison to this Hail Caeser match?

[@7thson726]

Cheers 👍😀 From what I've read i understa d that this would be the soze of a NMTB game, if you had all the models we used at the same time. I believe its designed for 6 x 4 play as well as fhis is the most common max size of board people can manage 👍

[@tonymedrano5394]

I would like to try this scenario for upcoming campaign. You wouldn't happen to have an Order of Battle for it ?

[@7thson726]

I believe we went with 2 commanders per side one with a slightly larger force than the other. So on my side the cavarly force was 3 or 4 units strong and the reserve force was 5 or 6. If you would like i can break it down even further. The thrust of the game was for one player to hold out against the odds while reinforcements arrived and get the wagon moving 👍

[@tonymedrano5394]

@@7thson726 Thank you for your reply. We will be trying out that scenario both with crusaders and in our up coming WotR campaign.

[@markwright5967]

Hi.after watching your vids on WOTR.what sets would be ideal for me to get started. Many thanks.

[@7thson726]

If your looking for a good variety of troops id get a box of WOTR infantry (bill and bow), a box of foot knights and either a box of light cav or heavy cav and a metal commander pack . That would give you just over a hundred minis, a decent size army and would cost about 65 quid from Perry. Pleases abother oerson is looking into it 👍😁

[@markwright5967]

@@7thson726 thanks for that. Will I need to get a rule book.

[@markwright5967]

Thanks for that.ive placed a order..

[@frankfreyiii]

Great looking troops! Where did you get the army lists from?

[@7thson726]

Thank you 👍 i based them on the ones that Perry put on their FB page but tinkered with them and added commanders with their own special rules, i may put them up once we've had a few more games with them 👍

[@mattmale7183]

I noticed in the Hail Caesar rules, although good, the troop types are fairly generic. Are you using light infantry archers or medium infantry archers for WotR archers?

[@7thson726]

We've classed the houshold infantry (the bill and bow mixed units) as medium infantry 👍

[@mattmale7183]

@@7thson726 cheers Martin.

[@bernardspencer9876]

At least you did not lose to your wife again. Your dice rolls started off good then gave up.

[@7thson726]

That is a blessing though she did laugh when she found out 😀

[@BearGrisham]

Where do you get the mat from?

[@7thson726]

Its from Wargamer

[@markwright5967]

What rule book would be good for me to get.

[@7thson726]

Well, i use Hail Caesar but you would have to do a little work creating stats for the units as there is no supplement, there are sample stats for all troop types in the rulebook, i.e heavy infantry, light cavalry, genrals etc. i plan on making the ones i use available after a little more tweaking . If you want another good set, check out never mind the billhooks, its a large skirmish / small battle game bases in the wars of the roses 👍

[@Deep-Red-0]

Did you have to modify the rules to play the Wars of the Roses?

[@7thson726]

Not a great deal in fact i cant think of anything we changed, we added some rules for out commanders to make them more interesting. when we used the cannons in our previous game we just borrowed the black powder rules although we are going to add a misfire table as it was not uncommon for them to blow up😀

[@Deep-Red-0]

@@7thson726 that's interesting, im toying with getting a set of Hail Caesar as it's clearly a very popular rules set and I also am fascinated with the Wars of the Roses, (and a Game if Thrones) and I'd like to fight some large scale battles. So I hope you upload more of these battle reports so I can learn more. Many thanks for uploading this

[@7thson726]

Its definitely my ruke set of choice for this period at the moment. There will be more coming soon 👍

[@frankmueller2781]

Why didn't the light cavalry hit the cart in turn 4? *That* was supposed to be the objective, wasn't it? Destroy the cart and.retreat! Hastings unnecessary. 😠

[@7thson726]

I had to watch it back as it was so long ago, it was because of the proximity rule, as they were a formed unit they we're obliged to attack that unit infront of them, didn't get enough orders off to clear the pond and got bogged down. As for Hastings, yeah, he may has well not shown up at all, but thats how it goes sometimes, now i would work it slightly differently but this was ages ao, don't think its worth getting that angry over 👍