War Thunder Everything You Need to Know About the Su 22M3

[@newdawn7934]

Reject modernity, embrace tradition, use the I-15 for all your ground attack needs.

[@Guiguo130]

wish I knew someone that never left tier 1

[@MrSadSmileyFace]

@@Guiguo130 i stay in tier 1

[@k.v.7115]

I once destroyed lavad and a leo 2a7 in a diffrent game . Not mention the poor helis

[@sneakybuddy8084]

There is one advantage with this plane people forget about. To increase your chances of survival and overall performance, play Allah Syria Al Bashar. Helps evertime. You are untouchable then

[@sneakybuddy8084]

@@greenmancz3342 samozrejme :D

[@rabiealkurba2520]

Lol

[@thegiantrat4271]

Works well when flying mig-19 with Syrian skin

[@unskilledwarthunderplayer4011]

Especially with Su-22m3 and T72av great combo and if you put that song you become invincible

[@timothygoodwin3287]

I loved the Su-17 so I'm looking forward to getting the 22. I personally like to create lineups based on themes instead of BR sometimes so I have a Syrian lineup and a modern Syrian civil war with Russian and Syrian themed tank. But I do agree with the camos hopefully well get a modern Syrian camo for it or some other air force camo

[@grizzles9652]

Just one little gripe, the Su-22 is not the best ground pounder for Russia atm. The Mig-27K is leagues ahead of the Su-22 due to its newer optics for guiding its ordnance being similar to the Jaguar A giving you tracking and zoom letting you guide the KH25ML from altitudes that SAMs cannot engage you and if they do its easy to dodge them due to the nerfs to SAMs.

[@cactuslietuva]

Yeah, but ground pounding without thermals in top tier is really meh. Helicopter's do the job way better then jets imo.

[@lsq7833]

@@cactuslietuva Not really. The draw distance of vehicles vs terrain mean that from 5+km altitude seeing tanks is trivial even without thermal. And I find that high altitude makes for better protection against sam's than the typical helicopter pop up maneuvers.

[@spadehaze1541]

I only take it out in Ground RB to use the *Thicc* S250’s

[@kamusk9729]

9:18 Don't get me as rude, but that is quite misleading. Sure you can control the sweep as you will, but it's far better to leave it on auto as the computer is quite reliable. In practice, it will find an optimal angle based on your speed, wether you are iniciating a turn or disengaging; and also you will not have to worry about another key to press everytime you want to move the wings. Plus, flying at the wrong sweep angle just because you think it's suitable will cripple your flight performance in a way or another. To sum up, just leave it on auto all time, and only manually adjust the wings fully out when landing or turnfighting. The wings on 0% will be able to drop the flaps. I also recommend going to -> _Wing Sweep_ -> _Relative Control [Yes]_ . This will prevent the wings coming to 50% no matter what you do in manual mode. And put the sensibility all the way to 100%.

[@theScottishKoala]

It's not misleading - it's far better to control them manually, as leaving them on auto will reduce your energy retention by a lot at medium speeds (750-950kph) when the computer thinks you need the wings almost fully swept back despite them being able to come full forward safely at those speeds. There's really no reason to ever have them at any value BUT 0% or 100%, unless like I said in the video, you want that headroom just to make sure you won't rip if you're hovering around that 1000kph mark, and because the automatic mode is relatively slow to keep up with changes in speed, and can't make the change for you in advance based on the situation, manual control will always let you unlock more performance and give you more control

[@kamusk9729]

@@theScottishKoala I think that it's down to personal experience. I played quite a bit on this plane and I find auto to be better. In the case you said of the retention at medium speeds, it really depends on what your plane is doing: If you are accelerating or losing speed, the computer reacts accordingly and set the optimal sweep and yes, it does indeed "undersweep" for some reason.

[@kamusk9729]

@@theScottishKoala in this case you mention, I believe its down to the computer pre-angling the wings at the 900kph even though the wings can be extended no problem. That means you are *gaining* speed and the computer is reacting accordingly, therefore it isnt slow to react but quite reliable.

[@traeswayer5471]

honestly the Su-24M in my opinion wouldve been a better choice to add into that game rather than the Mig-27K, plus it would've had 11.3 material considering its weaponry is essentially an amalgamation of the Mig-27M and Su-22M3, and its faster and brings a quite chunky radar, and of course this could be paired with the F-111 in an update. just hoping we see it sometime in the future

[@sergeantdornan4386]

I mean, they could just folder the 27K under the 27M and have the Su-24M come after it. EDIT: Same with the MLD.

[@traereid3173]

@@sergeantdornan4386 yea ik, but if imma be honest I feel that the K’s introduction was unnecessary, seeing as it essentially just bought in laser guided bombs and better imaging camera, similar problem with the chally 2f and the Tes. But seeing as it’s already in game I’d rather it be foldered with the M. That way I can just stop my research on it and put it towards the 24

[@ReebotGaming]

Well we got the f111 now

[@traereid3173]

@@ReebotGaming my guy that comment was over a year ago

[@spartanx9293]

1:06 to bad there's no super hornets to shoot it down with and cause an international incident

[@moritzgumm6945]

Can you koala make a video if war thunder is now ready for planes like the f14 f16 or what they have to do to make it work?

[@lilunz]

I'm interested in the comment about always using manual wing sweep; Especially as a recommendation for newer players, since a lot of the time (this coming largely from my experience flying the MiG-23M) the flight model tends to suffer if you're in slightly the wrong sweep angle and it can make energy retention significantly worse by trying to manage it manually in general. Obviously, when going into combat switching to manual and forcing the wings to be straight will get you the extra turning capability you need there, however my general experience is that this is the only time the flight performance is improved by not just leaving the wings in semi-auto mode. No hate intended of course, enjoyed the video, would just like to start a discussion about that

[@mtxdp4392]

u can turn the sensitivity up so when ur changing the sweep it will happen faster if u think u just dont have the time to be messing w it mid game or just keep it on auto, you will suffer some performance but its not a significant loss. definitely worth using it if u can since u will be the one controlling the wings and not the computer

[@theScottishKoala]

Generally speaking the automatic sweep is very slow to respond to changes in speed, and can actually result in WORSE energy retention since it will stay swept almost fully back even at 900kph, despite being able to come fully forward safely at that speed. Generally speaking, you want to go either fully outstretched or fully swept, there’s not much need for in between, so the manual mode just gives you more control over when that happens, and lets you set it up in advance of needing it

[@sicksixgamer2694]

@@theScottishKoala could this apply to the Mig-23 as well?

[@lilunz]

@@theScottishKoala I feel like it might warrant some somewhat more scientific testing at some point, since people seem to be fairly divided on the idea of whether it *feels* like energy retention is better using auto or manual wing sweep.

[@warpz7827]

Was grinding the SU-17 as i,m stuck at 9.3 air for my soviets but have top teir russian ground ..when they released this I was giddy as hell .Will research it down to the minimum GE buyout then get it for GE and unlock a few mods and go Air RB to ground it out via ground pounding but so looking forward to using this beast in ground RB.

[@Jesuslordofthedance]

I'm keen to have this for my ground lineup, but I'm happy to wait to research it lol

[@henryatkinson1479]

A note on the S-25s - they *should* have a proxy fuse (I don't have the plane myself, so I can't verify, but IRL at least they did), so the S-25L might be an interesting way to deal with helicopters. EDIT: Another note about using it in air RB - it has an airspawn which the MiG-27 does not.

[@ГеоргийМурзич]

@Ogilvey "The S-25O model however supposedly has a radio proximity fuze" S-25O is a HE FRAG a2g rocket, i don't think it has proxy fuze IRL. It also lacks it in another game about planes - DiCкS

[@koekiejam18]

@@ГеоргийМурзич A-G in warfare is just a suggestion (ask richard tb bennett) and a proximity fuze could be easily be usefull in some quite some cases against ground targets. Ie using it to create an airburst of shrapnel as opposed to burrying the rocket in the ground before it goes of

[@reedman0780]

Is it fine to use in air rb only?

[@distinguishedcatfish9028]

What the hell, I remember seeing the jet for only 7000GE on launch of the new update

[@valrond]

It's still a bit over 7000 GE. I just check and asked for 7274 GE (I have some points spent there)

[@BADBADGER18]

Yea I bought it when it came out with 0 research done to it and it was like 7200 or something. Did this change or something??

[@Spacemanonducks]

That u let the "Sub" button glow while saying "Subscribe" got me, never see that before. fokin COOL

[@westoneuler4065]

Just got this plane! Bout to go for a little cruise over Ja’din, wish me luck!

[@RedForDead]

If u dont have to, never dogfight with it, trust me, just dont do it

[@moonman8684]

glad this thing is a squadron plane i didint bother with cas when grinding the Russian tech tree but i can still have a top tier cas

[@MausOfTheHouse]

Please make a chaff/notching guide.

[@letsilluminatihd9987]

Interesting enough is that a su 22 it is generally recommended to use manual wing control bc it’s sloppy, but when flying a mig 23 it is recommended to generally leave it on automatic unless it’s a dogfight.

[@aureliencostabeber8532]

I'm personnaly working on my top tier line up to take both the MiG-27M and the Su-22M3 , why chose when you can use them both since they are in different class of aircraft for gaijin )))

[@Hepador1945]

Thanks for that formation

[@CalvinTheCarnotaurus]

seems like they're adding a decent amount of top end squadron vehicles. I bet Battleship Texas will be added as a squadron vehicle sometime this year.

[@B52Stratofortress1]

They should make it a premium and donate half the money to the real ship to help with restoring it. It's Gaijin, though and they're greedy

[@CalvinTheCarnotaurus]

@@B52Stratofortress1 until I read the "it's Gaijin, though and they're greedy" I was gonna say they'll never do it. I mean, Belfast is in the game and they haven't given her any money, have they?

[@BADBADGER18]

For me this thing does pretty great with air RB ground pounding with the 8 bombs and 2 r60s Set the bomb series to 4 and drop 1 series (4 bombs) on a base which will fully destroy it snd then go for a second base and then RTB for more bombs or try and shoot players down

[@artificialgamer8364]

I saw this and me (being addiucted to the IR missiles without having used one) i saw that it could be researched and didnt have to be bought for alot, i said "yes PLEASE"

[@ValkValerian]

bruh im already halfway thru its squadron grind

[@HEATSEEKR]

I'm currently 21K away from it. Also, watching you drop all eight of those bombs on that one base was kind of cringe it only takes four of those 500 kg bombs to kill it. Other than that excellent video keep up the good work.

[@theScottishKoala]

I'll have to try it out, I thought the ones on the EC maps required more than four

[@HEATSEEKR]

@@theScottishKoala nah they're the standard double HP bases from the regular maps. Korea is the only exception as it's a three base map instead of the regular four bases. Three base maps take half the payload of a four base map base. In simulator EC you would be correct about the amount needed.

[@darknut9696]

Two that's true I use the Su17 with 8 500kgs bombs to get 2 of the bases then I head towards the ground attack to get some points then return to bad and rinse and repeat unless I get killed

[@lukemiller8282]

@@HEATSEEKR on the EC maps ported over, they have 5 bases. these bases take more than 4 500kg bombs. i did this recently on several.

[@HEATSEEKR]

@@lukemiller8282 I promise you I just played Vietnam EC with the f4j with 18 250s and it only took 16. I promise you it's regular base HP values.

[@raizencore]

Whats the difference between air realistic battles and enduring confrontations?

[@Galaxy-oy4nj]

I think you made a little mistake, there are 3 Syrian vehicles: T-72AV TURMS-T, Su-22M3 and Su-7BKL

[@theScottishKoala]

BKL doesn’t fly under the Syrian flag in game, it’s considered a standard USSR aircraft. It might have been USED by the SyAF, but it’s not tied to them in game like the TURMS and 22M3 are

[@Kiwi_taken]

1:27 11 thousands? Lad I think you got it wrong its 7,300 GE to flat out buy it then 260,000 SL to crew it 11 thousand maybe to buy some upgrades but...

[@theScottishKoala]

The Su-22 is 520,000 RP, unless that’s been changed 1 GE = 45 RP 10,000 GE = 450,000 RP Now you need to make up the other 70,000, so that’ll cost you another 1,550 GE

[@BADBADGER18]

@@theScottishKoala its not RP tho its squadron rp which is different. I bought it with no research done to it for like 7200 GE unless thats been changed or something

[@msmith2568]

I want to see VR in this game - everything and anything VR

[@sicksixgamer2694]

Well I am in a big Squadron and already have the other good squad vehicles. Why wouldn't I get it? Especially since I have not ground out RU air but have top tier RU ground.

[@Atesz222]

As far as I know there's even a Hungarian camo for this thing in game

[@PARDUS-IX]

i love shooting these down in my kfir ... "is this historical?"

[@wing0291]

I don't care about high tear i still want to get s22 and i am so close to get her 💪🤩

[@POKAZUH]

I have a question how to collect it because he wins rounds and does not get funds for him someone pomose

[@CecilioSprayetti]

I'd say the Mig-27 is better than this thing in almost every way. In Air RB it is way better suited to dogfight with its maneuverability and R60Ms. For Ground RB it just outclasses this thing with better systems and weaponry.

[@theScottishKoala]

The MiG-27's are definitely easier to use, but when you've only got two AGM's you're very limited in the effect you can actually have on a game. Or you can take four, and now you have no AAM's, which makes it impractical to engage other jets. In air battles the Floggers definitely win out, hands down, but in ground battles having four AGM's and still having two AAM's just gives you a lot of freedom

[@CecilioSprayetti]

@@theScottishKoala Its probably just how I play with ground attackers at top BR in ground battles but I don't really bring out AAM missiles even if I have the option to as I tend to sit at around 7km (20k ft) so I am completely safe from AA and use the guided bombs up there so I really never see other aircraft. Guess the SU-22 is just better for an aggressive playstyle whereas the Mig is better for a slow burn

[@W_T.VENDETTA]

How long does it takes to get it?

[@gnarson]

love how it says top speed 2100+ but the wings snap off at 1400 lol wtf

[@theScottishKoala]

That top speed is only achievable at very high altitudes. Same is true for all Mach 2 capable jets - they’re only capable of about Mach 1.2 near the ground, because the air is so much thicker

[@gnarson]

@@theScottishKoala solid copy my dude 👌

[@ulfhedtyrsson]

Cheube launched. For the love of God, lad. Acknowledge the existence of the TH, L, R sounds.

[@jomni]

The F14 has rendered this useless.

[@yippers7230]

Don’t really play Russia, or aircraft as a matter of fact, but this is what I am currently spending my squadron rp on. Easy way to research top tier, but I reckon by the time I unlock it, we will be in the middle of June.

[@atvkid0805]

it's not worth getting because it doesn't have r60m just has basic rear aspect r60

[@StarGazer0685]

Closer and closer to the frogfoot

[@sarttee]

something about air to air missiles are starting to annoy me.

[@rabiealkurba2520]

Why hating on the stock camo man :/

[@theScottishKoala]

Just personal preference, but yellow and green on an aircraft is literally my most hated colour combo

[@piscessoedroen]

the thing is that it used to have a better stock camo before gaijin retconned it to be a syrian plane. that's why many players hated it

[@harutogames9204]

I landed this plane with 1 full wing, it wasnt that hard and ive never flown jets in war thunder

[@gansior4744]

Gaijined changed the skin for this SU-22 from Hungarian, cuz it would have to go to Italian Tree since Hungarian Vehicles are placed there

[@dankgamer6764]

Sheesh I must have gotten it on sale.

[@mr.mercuryidk3757]

Where’s streams

[@navigsxr]

I paid like 50 euros for a shit jet all' stock, I've to grind all. Good shit

[@butterballmach2]

I can't for the life of me get ahold of thos missles not the R-60s but the ATMs

[@petr8976]

its unplayable stock when fucking f14s ben added

[@ODST_Parker]

I still don't like the idea of top-tier squadron vehicles, even more so if there isn't a lateral or better equivalent in the tech tree. This is just a better Su-17, which is purchasable (and people do buy it) for a ridiculous amount, especially considering it's a stock vehicle with no premium bonuses. You can get it for free, sure. Takes longer than most top-tier planes take to actually research, but you can. You at least get R-60s when stock, which is more effective than I can say for most planes in their stock configurations. It definitely should get bombs though, that's really weird that it doesn't. I'd say it's a long grind or a lot of money for a plane which isn't really worth it, and if we get the Su-22M4 in the tech tree, it'll be totally obsolete.

[@sgthop]

I wouldn't really call it a grind considering you get it passively for playing the game in general as long as you're in a squadron. That's the reason it takes longer, it just happens in the background, you're not specifically working towards it.

[@ODST_Parker]

@@sgthop You're right, but because of that, it takes even longer than it would take to actively grind it. As someone who plays consistently, that's still shitty to me having to wait months to get it.

[@theScottishKoala]

I’m more okay with top tier buyable GROUND pounders, since a newer, inexperienced player is less of a detriment to their team while playing it. Still kinda sucks though, but the same could be said about the squadron A-4E - just a straight upgrade to A-4B at the same br

[@ODST_Parker]

@@theScottishKoala i would agree, but this one comes stock with missiles instead of bombs, so I'm not sure what Gaijin is thinking. Also, since they spawn first, they're likely to die first, so they're a detriment in one way or another if they're completely inexperienced.

[@mtxdp4392]

11:35 the mirage is so fucking broken, the flight model was turned to shit last year and it can barely out turn an f4e. ive never flown the mirage iiic or iiie but anyone who has played this game and tried the mirage (and isnt a braindead developer) knows that a mirage doesnt perform like this irl. i hope one day the people at gaijin will stop eating crayons and fix the shit

[@theScottishKoala]

I’d question what evidence people are using to say that the flight model is underperforming. Anyone using “it just feels bad” is a twat

[@mtxdp4392]

@@theScottishKoala well you were in a plane that weighs 10,000 lbs more than the mirage with a worse thrust/weight and easily cut his circles... but sure, a plane that is 90% wing cant turn

[@theScottishKoala]

@@mtxdp4392 he can turn very effectively… in the one circle… that’s not the same thing as having a high turn RATE. I forced that fight to be a two circle fight, no delta wing is going to handle that well. That’s quite realistic. One circle = how sharply you can turn Two circle = how quickly you can complete the circle Delta wing aircraft universally suck in a two circle

[@atticusfelton3151]

Thanks dad

[@spadehaze1541]

I use the S250’s bc I play console and it’s fun to obliterate something with a massive rocket

[@vincem9468]

SMH 🐨 has definitely never played with the mig27k with its laser guided munitions if he thinks su22 is better. Mug 27k is literally a Mach 1 helicopter

[@theScottishKoala]

Thing is, either you carry them with no self defence capability, OR you’re limited to two of them, which severely limits how effective you can be in a match. MiG-27 is definitely EASIER to use, but if you’re able to get all your ordnance on target consistently, the Su-22 is just going to get more done

[@ahmetkopman4860]

@@theScottishKoala what happened to the bmp video on armor cast??

[@stevepidge]

Side climb to 7k, accelerate to 1500 km/h position your self around the battlefield at will and dive into the fur ball slinging r60s

[@marcocarboni6133]

I'm currently researching it with the squadron points, ge it is pointless

[@urbancoyote4840]

I kinda want this thing

[@M3PH11]

the armour cast link in the description is broken. it links to kzbin.info.com/armourcast

[@theScottishKoala]

Thanks for letting me know! Should be fixed now

[@aswsfdasdfasdfgasdgfasdw]

they buffed it u cant use missle and bombs toghter no mor i want my money back

[@jonathangibson9532]

SOO Syrian f14a prem confirmed?

[@theScottishKoala]

Syria never used it. Only other nation to use the F-14 was Iran

[@keno5839]

Calling this thing the best ground pounder the ru get is waaayyy off the mark. in terms of killing tanks and aa in ground rb both mig 27s are significantly better.

[@theScottishKoala]

Why… you’re either carrying the same weapons with the same sights, and no AAM’s… OR you’re only carrying two AGM’s (and let’s be honest, Kh-29’s are…. a disappointment)

[@keno5839]

@@theScottishKoala is not the same sights tho. the 27K gets a ground lock capable laser system like they have on the jag so you can track and evade at the same time form like 10km away. so it makes the 4 laser agms you have way more effective.

[@southernbear736]

@@theScottishKoala the TV guided AGMs have the same warhead as the KAB-500 guided bombs....the amount of times I've gotten double kills due to said splash of what is basically a 1000Ib bomb well out of SAM range is countless

[@theScottishKoala]

@Legacy763 Not really... The Su-22 has 30mm guns as well, two of em in fact, and they only have about 10mm less penetration than the one on the MiG-27's, which basically makes no difference. Anything the GSh-30 can penetrate, the NR-30's can as well

[@Guys-i-love-planes-and-cars7]

0:19 sus sus sus sus sus plane

[@bobtheseed457]

Cool

[@mateuszgajewski7570]

Why not the Su-22M4

[@theScottishKoala]

M4 should really be put in the tech tree, succeeding the M2 and leading into something like the Su-25T

[@mateuszgajewski7570]

@@theScottishKoala exactly, but the thing is that the later modification of the M4 was fitted with r-73's so the loadouts would have to be played around with, I know this as I'm polish and the polish airforce used the Su-22M4 until 2019

[@wot_pak2220]

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[@aweirdthing7781]

only payed 15 euros for dis

[@ibanana1871]

x3