War Thunder: Modern Warfare (2017 April Fools Event)

[@MagzGTV]

Yes I know I am running late, The Curse of being out of town while an event is on. Today I finally take a look at WT's April fools but not really an April fools test of modern warfare mainly focusing on the Leopard 2A5. There will be a second video on this dedicated to just helicopters soon. So I hope you enjoy!

[@StoRmInQntrol]

Loved the event aswell, especially how good the tanks felt, AW was just a huge dissapointment. Gotta say though the problem with two tech trees would obviously be longer que times. It's difficults to guess how many new players would be introduced due to new tanks. There's quite a bit of overlap in the playerbase of WT, WoT & AW already.

[@charlieboddington]

I'm not sure about modern tanks. I feel like War Thunder was created as a way to simulated Second World War combat

[@Orca19904]

Mi-35 is actually a real version of the Hind, mostly an export model with the NATO codename "Hind-E". The only vehicle in this event that didn't use its real name was the Apache; it was given a fake "GM-64" designation.

[@VectorGhost]

i'd actually like to see modern aircraft outside of helo's added in, a lot of possibility's like the a-10, Su-25, century series planes, mig-23s and su-22m's. A lot of ground attack planes and new kinds of weapons, plus we could finally See high alt-combat instead low to mid.

[@N00KIExM0NSTER]

I agree with what youve proposed but i think with these new trees itll further split WT player base. we already have 4-ish modes do you think with boats+modern we'll still see the same match maker times? could you still play outside of peak hours?

[@MyCaptainPugwash]

What I loved was the just constant stream of AA just reaching out at the Heli's

[@MagzGTV]

I admit I did enjoy seeing AA actually attacking aircraft myself. :)

[@PrinceOfParthia74]

did you notice you could snipe the enemy team in heli with guided missiles from 3 km away? :) i think my record was 5 or 6 until i got shut down for getting too close to the BF

[@MagzGTV]

Yes, You could also snipe the enemy teams Helos at there spawn with a AAA from almost anywhere on the map, Mate got 6 or 7 in a row in one round while I was taking cap point.

[@SteelxWolf]

PrinceOfParthia74 that wasn't the problem, the spam of helo's was the main problem. And without radar being implemented for modern spas this became a problem

[@therealCG62]

The Mi-35 isn't a rename of the Mi-24, it's a disparate version mostly for export. The main difference, IIRC, is that the landing gear is fixed and not retractable, but there's probably some avionics stuff different too.

[@MagzGTV]

Interesting, I didn't know of a Mi-35 variants All the exports I have seen are still tagged Mi-24. Well guess I messed that detail up, Good to know however, Thank you.

[@Danik0301987]

Mi-35M is an export modification of Mi-24 VM.

[@MagzGTV]

That's what Skele Boner just said.

[@r-saint]

pin that comment :D

[@Danik0301987]

If you want to know the difference between Mi-24 (most likely V) and Mi-35M, you should look for Mi-24 VM, there are quite a few differences.

[@Archangel-hv6zc]

This was the most fun i had with wt in years.

[@SeanODea25]

Archangel1991 same

[@BatteredWalrus]

of my 4 years of playing this was definitely my favourite event by far, mostly because of the polish this had. this was most definitely a tech demo for the features and a test to see how the community would react to modern combat (yeh I know captain obvious here......), but it's nice to see some of the things their working on instead of them just stone walling us.

[@MagzGTV]

Indeed :)

[@southernbear736]

Sorry magz but MBT aren't coming to WT but I heard from a so called 'former WT employee' a new game is coming useing the same engine....the reason because a lot of the tanks details are classified so how are they getting the armor values? The T14 has (apparently) 900mm of front armor and decreases the effect of HEAT-FS and APDS-FS by 50% thus rendering it almost untouchable from the front in the Leo 2 and even the 120mm Abrams

[@H2OSakanaIsMyOshi]

@@southernbear736 this aged like rotten milk

[@dronysus6435]

I am one of those former War Thunder players and disgruntled Armored Warfare players. If War Thunder brings modern equipment into their game, I would immediately redownload War Thunder.

[@SeanODea25]

Dronysus I hope they add it in the future with new tiers, that way I can grind out everything right before they introduce modern jets, mbts, and helicopters.

[@galaxywolf3192]

Dronysus they should put the missile launchers in separate MM with these guys, as they are too powerful with tanks from WWII

[@crysisxforce9897]

So did you redownload War Thunder?

[@dronysus6435]

@@crysisxforce9897 No, I took a look at it, but decided it was still the crap game it was before.

[@crysisxforce9897]

@@dronysus6435 haha, I came back to it, bought a years worth of premium for half off and a premium tank. I regret it after 2 days of playing the I forgot how unbearable the grind is. I remember it use to be decent when GF first came out. But good on you, I don't think this game will ever stop being crap. :c Granted I enjoy it, but getting the stuff I want just takes too long and I don't have the time that I did back in school now that I started working, etc. Also im really salty I have to unlock 2 or 3 other planes before my F9F-2 that was I researching back when I quit. Can't even get it because of those new planes that were added. :\

[@max_archer]

I totally agree about separate tech trees for modern stuff, but I'd do it a little differently; as two whole new "nations," which could be called "Eastern Bloc" and "Western Bloc" or something to that effect. Aside from speeding queues and removing nonsensical matchups, it would also make it easy to integrate vehicles from countries like France, Sweden, etc. which aren't represented in the existing WWII trees, and it would also solve issues like having East and West German vehicles on the same team and fighting against their own allies. My choice for a "start date" would be around the Vietnam era, and I'd include jets in addition to helicopters and tanks.

[@leftysquared]

This is honestly one of the best ideas I have heard.

[@kaimx5730]

Max Archer i am kind of with slick on the tech tree conundrum. they should make the grind to tier 9 just as long as to tier 5. this solves the adding in modern vehicles and the GF rp problem

[@OWNYOMAMA]

That is a damn good idea.

[@thegamerformerlyknownasman4669]

Hi Magz, your idea of separate tech trees I think would even help solve more issues than you give credit for! From what I understood it would be something like what we have in Steel Panthers (old turn based strategy game, can't remember witch version, maybe SP WaW or SP III) where the dates would go from 1937 to 1946 and them it would have a different set of nations and encyclopedia from 1946 to the future at 2015 (yes, the future). This would mean that we would need to move some vehicles that are already present to the new alternative tech tree but for me it would be worth it cause this way it would fix all of the balancing issues post war ammunition poses and also, at least for me, to see a WW2 vehicles fighting cold war era vehicles really breaks the immersion. Keep up with your awesome videos, cheers.

[@PrimeHunter02]

what added a lot of the fun for the event for me was the spawn mechanic. Non of this "I wasn't in the first frag wave so no combat this game" or just waiting around for the game to end because the last enemy is in an aircraft or hiding. constant action is the way to go. In terms of modern vehicles they might run into a classified info wall, which they could see as a problem and go against their Historical focus. I guess it depends if people are OK with them making statistics up for lack of a better term.

[@dariusholt5442]

I was thinking of making a separate game of this before, but you made some good points on how to introduced these tank in-game Magz. The inclusion of having players deciding of making a whole new tech tree and players deciding whether to play WW2 era or a modern era is a good option. there is an option on the WT forms of doing a NATO vs Warsaw Pact tech tree for both Air, Ground, and Sea.

[@bubba9r]

They did a very good job of modelling reactive armor and composite armor as well. This for sure could lead to add on armor and newer tanks in game. Your idea of a separate tree would work great, and the spawn point system was awesome...

[@BushBoy_7567]

It’s nuts to think this was 2 years ago, I remember this event like it was yesterday

[@stkrrauch1]

the number of players who joined in to play this great event has to be huge /hope they get a great response from this so we can have it sooner than later it was so much fun and the best fun i have probably ever had in a tank battle game

[@Elinzar]

11:00, smoke rendered in ultra low, and honestly look kind of like the same as ultra quality smoke and the best part, it didnt drop framerate too much and I play with on-board graphics lel

[@Elinzar]

PD: even the desert dust was rendered

[@eugenegurevich5067]

I think the problem with a new tech tree is that there wouldn't be many vehicles for research. MBTs are usually used for many years. Look at the T-90 or M1 Abrams. Both have been used for 20 or so years already. And second, look the USSR tech tree for example. Say we start with the T-62. Then the T-64. T-72. T-80. T-90. and finally T-14. There aren't that many MBTs. Unless... Gaijin includes variations (idk if that is the right word for it). For example, the T-72 had the BMPT Terminator. Or the T-15. Or the IT-1. Or in the case of the US its even less. First generation includes the M47 and M48 patton. Second generatuon was M60 patton. And finally third generation is the Abrams. So it would be hard and we'd have to include variations of the tanks like with the Pz.4 or Pz.3 currently in game.

[@robgraham5697]

There are a couple of things that will add some interesting wrinkles to the game, if introduced. Both regarding artillery. One would be the addition of a second artillery call-in. The player could call for SADARM or similar munitions. The other would be actual artillery vehicles such as the MLRS or the BM-27. Might be difficult to implement though considering the size of WT maps.

[@Phantomime1]

i agree on the seperate trees. But not only with tanks, but with aircraft and maybe boats as well

[@leandro9311]

The Apache Longbow is the version armed with a radar above the rotor blade, with no radar above the rotor blades its just a standard Apache,

[@DF-ts9hm]

The mi 35 is a modernised mi24, not changed for legal reasons it is just a different variant

[@josephervine1119]

The idea of starting a second tech tree in War Thunder is a great idea. You'd be able to start off with early Cold War planes and tanks like the T-72 and the F-86, and eventually grind all the way to the F-4 Phantom II and the A-10 Thunderbolt II. I think that it will be a nice addition that will diversify the community as well as allowing you to play the current top tier vehicles as reserves, so no more expensive jets to start to fly out like the F-86F-30. (That thing is a prized possession of some players who've actually bought it for over 1.5M SL and another million SL to train a crew) I hope gaijin does this..

[@sar_ptolemy]

theres apparently a bug thought with smoke and reflections on optics or something. you can sometimes see glare through the smoke

[@nantarg]

Aye, this event was some of the best gameplay I've had in Warthunder since the old simulator tank battles. It reminded me of a slightly deadlier low tier battle (Br 1-2) but combined both brawls and long range combat in a perfect mix. Also, the new maps were fantastic to play on. I really hope this is something they are looking into expanding, either as new trees as you say, or just as an extension into the cold war and modern era. And it opens up for a slight glimmer of hope that I might see Strv 103 in the game.

[@nanomachinesson2513]

Okay, I have to ask. Was anybody else constantly humming the battlefield theme while playing this?

[@KK-ib4uf]

besides helicopters, please add attackers like a-10, mig-27

[@techfusionaz2496]

Yes that event was glorious! I've never had so much fun driving tanks before. However Magz, I'm not entirely sure it's the best idea to put modern tanks in War Thunder as it is now. War Thunder already has so much to it that it could get quite cluttered up if they added modern vehicles. I propose that Gaijin instead make a sister game to War Thunder and branch out that way. However, it wouldn't have entirely new devs, the game engine, game mechanics and most of the stuff you see in War Thunder would be implemented into the modern variant of War Thunder, just with modern tanks only.

[@LordDarthHarry]

After this event im all for infiite spawns for tanks in Domination and Conquest. Ony thing id add is repsawn timers similar to Enduring Confrontation so people dont get too reckelss. This could also add some soft balancing to specific types of vehicles and BRs within the match. The higher the BR the longer the timer when you spawn the vehicle. Heavy tanks would trigger longer timers than medium tanks, Mediums logner than SPGs/lights and SPAAs (except the "heavy" ones like the zsu 57) would get no timer or a very minimal one. Aircraft would need none as theyd be restricted with the spawn points.

[@Bottlekiller]

Theory: Since this whole thing was for now just a one-off, they probably gave the developers themselves more freedom in how to implement and tweek the mechanics, that's why it turned out so good. BUT as soon as the management cracks down on it, and try to find ways how to most efficiently milk this mode, it will become shit. Mark my words.

[@connla]

I fully agree just plopping them at the end of the current tech tree wouldnt go down so well (either too long of a grind or the current vehicles have their grind cut in half which will piss off veteran players) I disagree though in having them as an optional tech tree that someone can quickly get access to. Primarily because it would destroy the current player base. we already see what happens when a new nation gets added where the lower battle ratings (and the br with that nations premium) get swamped with that new nation completely upending the matchmaker. Now imagine that where they are completely absent from the matchmaker. And its not just limited to the lower BRS. We saw this happen before. When Gaijin added Tanks for the first time the plane population took a massive hit, a hit that has left a pretty deep hole that led to br compression. Gaijin underestimated how much of their player population in planes were also interested in tanks and over-estimated how many new tank only players they'd pull in. Adding modern nations alongside the current ones would decimate the war thunder current playerbase initially and exasperate a problem that is already close to breaking point. A problem that Gaijin have not yet presented a solution for and is already planning to repeat with ships. If they are going to be new tech tree (for example a Nato and Warsaw pact set of tech trees) then they should require that a player reach tier V with one of the current trees. This will have the reverse effect of adding a new nation, instead of overpopulating one nation of the lower brs it would depopulate the top br which will take pressure off the brs below it and stop them being tiered up so much. Making high end tier IV the top tier. Gaijin could move quite a number of the current top tier tanks (pretty much everything after 7.3 except the MAUS) and make them the reserves and tier 1 of warsaw or nato trees. Making tanks like the T32 and Tiger 2 105 the new top tier tanks in the current trees. This would vastly improve the current high tier tanks (and also jets as similarly you could remove the tier 9.0 jets and make them the reserves in nato/warsaw) as it takes away the current glut of high tier pressure pulling tier IV players up as players who focus on the tier V tanks are the ones interested in that era or those tanks (like the MAUS) while those grinding (the majority) would move on to the new trees. yes it will restrict access for players who come to war thunder from armoured warfare who want exclusively modern vehicles, but we need to think about our current players first opening the door to bypass the current matchmaker will decimate our player population, we need players to play through the ranks to keep those ranks alive and in gaijins eyes players need to either play for free and fill those ranks or pay in money to skip them. Give new players the option, they can play for free like the rest of us through the current tiers to unlock the new trees. Or they could pay to buy a NATO or Warsaw premium that unlocks the tree for them.

[@matthewrikihana6818]

Magz is happy with Gaijin, and I'm happy because you sound happy Magz:). Hope Gaijin dosn't screw this up.

[@meloncooler1252]

I haven't opened WT in over 2 months at this point, but if Gaijin were to add modern vehicles into the game, much in the way you described, I would definitely start playing again. Really, I've just gotten bored of what was basically the same thing in every match, over and over through an incredibly long grind. A change like this would certainly entertain me for quite some time.

[@HappyFoxtrot]

P.S. Liked the smoke launchers too. On spawn mechanics: I think they should limit the number of times you can spawn in vehicle. Otherwise you cant kill anybody for good. Maybe leave infinite spawns to arcade.

[@mpyre4916]

In my opinion, Gaijin could add an "Era" system. Like, before you choose a nation, you'd choose a time period to start from. WWI, WWII, Korea/Vietnam/Cold War, and Modern. In this way Gaijin could add planes like the MiG-21 and the F-100 Super Sabre, as well as right up to Sukhoi Flankers and Mirage 2000's and such. They could also easily implement WWI vehicles like the Fokker or the Vicker's Vimy. Once you select an age, you then come to the hangar where you can select a nation. That nation would have the tech tree only for the age you selected, to access a different set of vehicles, you go back to the age menu and select something else. Some nations would lose out in certain age periods, but that shouldn't be an issue when players can freely choose between entirely different age's of tech trees, with all different nations. The best part about war thunder has always been the ability to freely switch nations at any time.

[@mpyre4916]

MagZ, please let me know your opinion of this! :D

[@jameswhitehead03]

M Pyre i think that sounds like a really good idea, i want that

[@PSadvance]

Been waiting for this. Ever played Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations, magz?

[@solar9368]

I like your ideas Magz.

[@joelcox5801]

I would love to see just a whole video discussing modern warfare in War Thunder and how you think it should be implemented.

[@KaiDidumaNx]

*cries after patch 1.81*... how this turned out so bad, when it was so good

[@killerspade]

The only thing you're overlooking is the lack of technical information on modern MBTs.

[@EgosumParduas]

I agree with the idea of having a separate tree for more modern vehicles, starting from early Cold War MBTs and moving towards the 21st century. The idea of having to grind to the T-90 from the BT-2 is quite horrifying.

[@darkblood626]

Modern tanks would get me playing WT again, but not if I have to grind for them.

[@Dajiggler1]

This event in the first time me and my team made an organized counter push on a objective point after getting wiped from the cap zone. In a normal match 3 out of the 5 of us would of either been out of the match or had to spawn in a vehicle limiting the full potential of the push.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

I can't wait for the Tier IX grind. 10 million RP, 1 billion Silver Lions. Parts and FPE will take the rest of my life to unlock.

[@Gammer161]

I really hope they implement the spawn system here. It would probably give me a reason to play ground forces again. Even if you just had the ability to bring out a tank once, it'd drastically improve the game. Then you'd get at least 3 to 5 tanks to use in a match, depending on how many aircraft you bring.

[@LaVictoireEstLaVie]

fyi both the Leopard 2a5 and T90A can be penetratrd from the front via weakzones or the sides by the m60 m60a1 leopard 1 Tiger 2 10.5 t10 is2 is3 is4 Isu152 su 152 etc. you guys can try out the latest polygon user mission shooting range on live.warthunder. it features 2 t90as and leo2a5s for further ballistic testing.

[@Praxis4RageBaiting]

What are you talking about? there was so much spawn camping going on. I for one had little to no trouble getting 5-10 kills doing that nearly every match...

[@musketeersmadhouse2262]

when players spawn camped they got nuked by helis which is fantastic

[@Praxis4RageBaiting]

that barely ever happened to me. I was always one shotted by choppers just after I spawned.

[@macaronisalad3038]

your one of the lucky/unlucky

[@mrsteel250]

For balancing reasons for those who are really good with atgm's in helicopters, i feel like there should be a decent sl cost per shot, and a high cost of dying in a helicopter, this could balance out that problem a little bit, and for modern mbt's they could also have a high sl cost. It would keep the incentive there to play lower tier tanks, and for those who play custom a lot there could be a rank 5 cap on servers that choose to do so to prevent T-90's from attacking PzII's.

[@baykazdal]

Mi-35 is an updated version of the initial Mi-24,better turbines,avionics and computer interface

[@elchito3]

I'd absolutely love it of in game, medium and light tanks had no SP cost and could spawn in immediately while heavy tanks and planes cost SP to spawn in. Maybe change this condition based on whether the heavy was uptiered or down tiered and add some exception for certain tanks (Jagdtiger, Sherman Jumbo, etc) and bring back large maps. If they did this for RB or even SB, I'd have my ideal P vs P game mode.

[@DzheiSilis]

I wish that they would complete the Scope redo that they have already promised as well.

[@ogi415]

Gaijin made my wettest dreams come true with this game mode

[@littlemikey46]

The fact that this video is 13:37 in length makes me far too happy.

[@brutishorc]

second tech tree maybe but it will probably have a pay wall to skip the preexisting tree

[@NeoIvan17]

I really enjoyed the event, though I only played it once. I hope WT goes this route you're talking about I'd and I do hope Gaijin goes this route with modern jet planes. The missiles used in this event can also be helpful towards making F4 Phantoms, Mig-21s, and later towards Su-27/Mig-29s and F-14s/15s/16s. Oh man that would be incredible. Premium account for months to unlock those jets. While I know DCS has modern jets, that game, for me, seems like a super overwhelming Simulation mode versus Gaijins Realistic mode.

[@luvjoebacon2915]

I can confirm that the smoke renders in ultra low graphics. I play war thunder on a 5 year old Lenovo Laptop/Tablet.

[@luskieman]

I hope they do not implement a second tree since that would split the already fairly small community. I think lots of newer players would play with faster modern vehicles and play the existing trees and find them too slow and not play them. HOWEVER, if Gajin were to increase the potential RP gain (no more hard caps, and be clear about how much you earn per action) as well as bracket a lot of the existing vehicles (Think a lot of the shermans) then i wouldn't really care about modern vehicles being added in the existing trees.

[@Jamie-kg8ig]

Magz please do a video about the BV-238. From what I can tell it is the Tu-4 of Era III.

[@ignacio1171]

Instead of implementing into War Thunder, why not just make it as a completely different game? This could allow for different mechanics that can be implemented but not in Warthunder?

[@IronPhysik]

Magz what would you think of a spawn system that mixes the event system with the repair times from helibourne. this would prevent a massive spam of tanks and players would need to start thinking what they do (instead of blindly rushing in, because you can easily spawn again if you fail) so a system to prevent "zerg rushes" based on smaller repair times for the vehicles to be used again. but with unlimited spawns.

[@KaiDidumaNx]

after modern vehicles there will be almost no one who will want to play ww2 tech specially tier 2-4

[@MagzGTV]

I know plenty of people who have Leopards in game now that prefer to play low to mid ranked tanks, I'm one of them. Low to mid tiers are fun. This won't change that.

[@hondansx1000]

I didn't get a chance to fly the helicopters in this event. What were they like? were they easy to control?

[@borismatesin]

If this turns into a game mode of its own, with the first post-1945 behicles like the PT-75 or the M113 as a starting point, this will decimate the already frail Armored Warfare gamebase. Which, considering Obsidian has been kicked out of the loop, may as well bury the game. That said, I might even consider switching at that point.

[@areaofdefect907]

As much as a modern tech tree appeals I feel that introducing it would partially nullify the drive to obtain the current high tier vehicles in game, and reduce the number of newer players wanting to play current tier 4/5. There's something about having something powerful to grind for that this would undermine. Personally I think it would work better if a modern tech tree became available simultaneously with tier 5, otherwise I think it would split the playerbase. Idk though, we'll have to see what Gaijin decides to do.

[@seanmac1793]

also there website says the f22 raptor will be included in this new modern tier

[@arcadiecondurachi2166]

How did you get the big version of the map? They used to put us in that tiny urban cauldron.

[@Ashfielder]

Smoke was rendered in UL graphics

[@swayingGrass]

My biggest gripe is I activated a 300% RP booster that's about to expire and play the event, and it got consumed T_T... Anyways, I think the only reason that they were able to (and successfully) implement free spawn for the tanks is because they'r free. And of course ATGM of helos that can kill an MBT at the spawn, from their spawn.

[@wolfbyte3171]

Hey Magz! I'm one of your Discord members (as well as a subscriber) and I can confirm that smoke works in ultra low graphics. I have a replay to support this- if those still work. Otherwise, well, I haven't lied before, have I?

[@MagzGTV]

I wouldn't doubt you, Pretty much everyone has said the smoke worked which is fantastic news. Now Gaijin just needs to get it onto the pre-existing tanks in WT.

[@srtrollingtonb1265]

i hope Gajin does that but when are boats coming out for everyone

[@bradshad1]

The iraqi's saw what happened when you pitted t54's and t62s against Abrams and Challengers

[@ryandavis5286]

I want the m1a1 with the a10 warthog.

[@drafsman7456]

doesn't the apache longbow have the bubble above rotor?

[@finnjones4578]

Fly out the Lincoln, it's my new fav british bomber

[@tegjwokjohn1839]

I missed this awesome event... 😭

[@morrielarsen]

it wasn't a longbow apache (AH-64D) but an AH-64C (possibly A or B as well).

[@solar9368]

Not all AH-64Ds have the Longbow radar

[@morrielarsen]

"The AH-64D Apache Longbow is equipped with a glass cockpit and advanced sensors, the most noticeable of which being the AN/APG-78 Longbow millimeter-wave fire-control radar" - Janes if it doesn't have the radome, it's not a longbow

[@solar9368]

An AH-64D without the radar is still an AH-64D, just not an AH-64D Longbow.

[@solar9368]

And the AH-64B and AH-64C were cancelled before first flight

[@morrielarsen]

I see what you're saying, not all ah-64D's are longbows. However my point still stands, all longbow apaches have the MRB Hub mounted radome. What we are seeing in game is not the longbow. I think it would be very cool though to be able to use a system like that in game.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

I don't believe it was renamed for legal reasons. Mi-23 is a military designation, and therefore not subject to legal restrictions..... I think.

[@MagzGTV]

You would be surprised, i know anyone using the UH-1 Huey model and name has to pay a copyright fee to Bell Helicopters for it. It's part of why ARMA III is based slightly in the future with there own inspired designs. Bohemia got away with ARMA and ARMA II but where going to have to pay fees for the Vehicles in ARMA III, The changes prevented that.

[@hdgehog6]

I love the events (giant snail and the ponies) but I missed this one.... :(

[@fireraid2336]

i like your idea. not only do you have the choice between playing more modern stuff like reserve leo or reserve type-74 then going down the tree to unlock the leopard 2 or type-10 but also have the option to just stick to ww2 tanks. and this could separate atgms, modern tanks fight each other while ww2 tanks only foght each other.

[@yessinayachi]

I think its best to keep the current tech trees and just simply expand it to 8 tiers but reducing rp requirements from tier 4 to max 80.000 to like max 120.000 all the way till tier 7. than making it the regular 360.000.

[@MagzGTV]

The problem with that is if you reduce the existing RP costs by that much what happens with the people that have already payed that RP to unlock the existing tanks. Keeping in mind that it is possible in WT to buy that RP for real money. You run into a lot of problems really fast doing that, You cant just shaft your existing customers and a game wide RP reduction would be exactly that.

[@wezarr7825]

I had the same idea but developing these new tech trees will come at cost and boats, ships will be halted i think.

[@MagzGTV]

Funnily enough I don't think that will bother too many people if it happens, I've seen more buzz over modern MBT's and Helos than I ever did from boats.

[@MrTheWaterbear]

If Gaijin added modern vehicles NOW, it would completely drain the playerbase cueing for regular WWII-vehicles at any tier. It would destroy the game for anyone not playing these new vehicles :/ I mean, I'd actually LOVE these new vehicles (ESPECIALLY helicopters) - but WWII vehicles would, at least in the start, become unplayable due to shift of activity away from these "old" vehicles.

[@megaconda07]

but what would they do with jets? would the jet trees turn into helos? or would we get f15's and mig 21's, 29's?

[@megaconda07]

I ask because I don't believe they'd introduce a new tree. maybe but idk if they would simply because it'd divide the player base. if they did I think they'd require you to unlock say tier 2 or 3 ground forces maybe. Honestly this is such a big leap that Gajin could choose to implement any number of methods

[@MagzGTV]

You should probably read the comments, I've answered this question about three times so far, But anyway here's the 4th. There wont be any jets. Modern jets have maximum speeds of Mach 2.5+ and can fire guided missiles that can strike targets 75+km away. That means they can cross the largest WT air battle maps in a couple of minutes or less and could shoot people down on those maps from corner to corner. Not to mention all the complex systems modeling that would need to be done to make a jet work properly such as radar. Gaijin wont add modern jets, If they add modern MBT's at all the air tree will be helicopters only.

[@megaconda07]

MagzTV I try to if I'm gonna leave a comment. But being as I watched your video when my girlfriend went to go get food from the fridge I didnt have the most time. I had other things on mind. Sorry ill try to remember next time.

[@fergusarmour8175]

I think they could add LAV's like the canadian LAV-3.

[@mrsteel250]

Personally i would still like to have the option to pit ww2 tanks against modern era tanks in a custom battle just for fun with your friends and others.

[@XxXtdreaperXxX]

If I remember correctly the pen they gave the L44 was 700mm at 10m against flat armor and a BR of 13.0 lol

[@MagzGTV]

Then it's lower than reality, the real shell is a monster.

[@XxXtdreaperXxX]

That it is, still had fun though and it lost like 50mm of pen out to 2kms either way I want it to stay I regret not playing more matches.

[@LaVictoireEstLaVie]

MagzTV that is not too far from the actual projected value from a L44. 20-50 mm will not make much of a difference at times

[@mikeflagger7723]

I played the whole even on Ultra low , smoke worked even at long distance.

[@moody_goose]

I didn't get a chance to try the even but looked awesome. Like you said, they should implement it has a second tree or revise the BR, which honestly should be considered anyways since there's a lot of tanks/planes that feel under-tiered/over-tiered. Another thing the need to address is Plane ramming in ground force battles. There's been too many times where plane ram spamming was just so unbearable where people actually left the match. They should probably do away with damage upon a plane ramming your vehicle. As for Spawn killing, they should have Anti tank emplacements that you have to deal with before you can push into their spawn. Battle times should be increase. Battles are too short. Maybe they should consider a Battlefield 4 approach to make the matches last longer. I love playing War Thunder but it still needs some work. If they're going to add modern forces to the game, they should make it a separate Tree. I would love to see modern planes as well, however, if they did that it should be limited because ground forces mode is starting to turn into more of an air combat mode, meaning it is starting to have less of a focus on tanks and more on the rush to get planes so you can dominate. Idk, i'm thinking they should really think about how the different game modes are. Air combat modes also seem to be focus more on attacking ground forces than aerial combat now so there's almost no use to even fly the fighters...I love this game but it still needs work.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Magz I really like your idea. I think it's a winner. Which is exactly why Gaijin won't do it

[@Ash007YT]

TheGoldenCaulk I kind of don't like his separate tech tree idea. being a old player it kinda would tick me off because I'd have progressed so far. I do like the idea of modern units however

[@baseformrolf6710]

I think a modern tech tree should only be unlocked after you've reached tier V at the very least though, or release a brand new game

[@MagzGTV]

Do that and I guarantee the only people that will play it will be the people already playing Rank V. The Grind from reserves to the leopard is already long enough, Adding two more generations of tanks on top of that each with increasing RP costs. No new players will join WT for them and now old players will come back, The people that Gaijin wants to join the player base will just go play ARMA instead, They have a new Tank DLC planned for late this year and mods for most modern MBT's with multi crew and modeled fighting compartments.

[@rivardj1]

MagzTV agreed though idk how the reserve tanks for a second tech tree would work. A lot of the incentive of playing through the ww2 tanks would be gone if you can just play a reserve leopard or t62.

[@morrielarsen]

I just want to fly an F-8 crusader in war thunder, maybe an XF8U-3 as a premium as well.

[@Obi3CH012]

Love the new Intro!

[@D00MerJohn]

I am hoping to see a stand alone Modern game from Gaijin , have a cutoff between the two, early cold way to WW2 is WT. Late cold war to today is a new game.

[@commiecmdr3676]

or you cut the game into sections. you can choose to play through different eras such as ww2, coldwar, and early 90s to 2000s. that way it doesnt take such a long time to get to certain tanks

[@TheDelta07sev]

only problem i see with adding modern tanks as new vics isthat alot of players only play to get the "cool" top tier vehicles would just skip the "boring" old fashioned ones and play the cooler modern tanks. also players who got to t5 on the normal tree will have a huge advantage over those who jump right inot the modern tree.

[@Rohrkrepierer]

If they want to make a move for the AW players, it has to be within the next 6 months.

[@MagzGTV]

Indeed, they have to make there play sooner rather than later. Next few months should be interesting one way or the other.

[@Rohrkrepierer]

MagzTV Though I have a weird feeling, that the next patch will bear a load of stupid boats ^^.

[@sirmoke9646]

Mail.ru is busy nailing the coffin of AW since January... I wouldn't worry that much.

[@thespartanmk1]

Remember, this is Gaijin we're talking about. Nothing they do makes sense, and anything fun is verboten. This was a smoke launcher test.

[@MagzGTV]

They could have tested smoke launchers with anything, Any number of existing tanks have them. Yet they made a whole new map, Fully modeled two MBT's complete with internals an unique ammo, Fully modeled two Helicopters and built a new FM so they could fly along with smoke launchers and tested a different spawn system. This was something much more. . . will be interesting to see what happens next.

[@thespartanmk1]

Well, they did have a whole new map, model, and function when they had the pirates even too. That was used to show off how boats were going to work. I'm not getting my hopes up, because this is Gaijin we're talking about. Like I said, nothing they do makes any sense.

[@imagination7265]

MagzTV what unique ammo?

[@thespartanmk1]

Probably the APFSDS-T. In reality, it would be a depleted uranium rod traveling at ludicrous speed.

[@MagzGTV]

DM53 APFSDS-T, 8.35kg fin stabilized shell with a depleted uranium penetrator moving at 1750 m/s capable of penetrating 750mm of RHA at 2000m That's kinda new.

[@Slafeys]

Or event Only vechiles so everybody has the same vechiles, like in actual armies.

[@dbzfanexwarbrady]

there was spawn camping, but i didnt care because it didnt kick me out the game, also FFFFFFFFFFFF i didnt know you could cap with choppers XD dam

[@bytblaster]

and it was way less frustrating since you could spawn multiple times.

[@jettstorm2253]

What's your opinion on adding modern aircraft to WarThunder Magz?

[@MagzGTV]

My opinion is irreverent, They wont. Modern aircraft are much more than just fast sleek air-frames with some guided missiles attached. The amount of subsystems Gaijin would have to model to make anything more than a Hawx level arcade FM would blow your mind and they would have to do it from scratch as noting like the systems they would need to model exists in WT now. In a modern setting the Air tree will be limited to Helicopters, Which if we are honest are already complex enough.

[@jettstorm2253]

Alright. That kinda depressing

[@Timbo5000]

Nah, if you implement aircraft beyond the 60's, that means the combat goes from dogfighting to firing air-to-air missiles. I don't think Gaijin intends on changing combat like that. That said, they still have a lot of aircraft to implement until they reach that era

[@fireraid2336]

they made a survay and the after the results they pretty much said modern tanks are coming. go to there website and check these latest news

[@elchito3]

They didn't outright confirm it, but they did say many of the features tested in the event will be introduced in the coming patches. I'm hoping this means smoke and (hopefully) a new spawn system.

[@SWEbear021]

loved this event it was so refreshing after played this game for years:)map was awesome tanks and smoke aswell:)only thing i didnt liked that much was the helicopters flight mechanincs and some time they could snipe u from across the map especially in ur spawn so little fixing like maybe u need to shot from within 2 km or so to be able to hit anything precisly or better cover in spawn otherwise i loved everything about it:)!!also agreed that this need to be a new modern tree with like 70-80s tank as reservs:)

[@livetalk7413]

Thumbs up for outro music

[@kevinguo3127]

that is not possible, because no one will play top tier rn since top tier rn will be reserve tanks in the new tech tree. I don't even think it is fair for people who grinded for tanks that are currently in the game, and hell, no one will play ww2. the thing people forget is that after that ara, there is only mbt, there is no need to research light tanks, tank destroyer anymore.

[@MagzGTV]

Because people who have access to WT's current MBT's never play WW2 low rank tanks right? Oh wait, they do and often! There are modern recon and Tank destroyers, They just became different. the M1128 Mobile Gun system for example. Gaijin already has wheeled trucks in game, Modeling one of these would be no more difficult.

[@Timbo5000]

I think he has a point, though. There needs to be a significant era gap in order to prevent rank V from becoming obsolete. If we have 70's-80's tanks in the reserve for the modern tech tree, who in their right mind would grind ages for 60's tanks (especially considering how horrendously tedious the ground forces grind currently is)? If there's a separate tech tree (which I think is a good idea), there should be a very clear distinction between rank V and "rank IX". I'd say it should include nothing but the most modern of tanks and not a great variation of them either, restricting it to some MBTs and tank destroyers. There should be a lot of countries with just a few tanks each (adding countries like China, France, Italy). Comparable to one rank in a tech tree. Another thing to be wary of is splitting up the playerbase too much.

[@NixodCreations]

There are plenty of modern light tanks and TD's. Look at the way Armored Warfare has categorized their vehicle list.

[@kevinguo3127]

MagzTV my point is, what is the point of grinding for Leo 1a1, when you have Leo 1a2 for free. I don't currently have tanks. I only want to play top tier, cuz modern stuff is just cooler. no one can deny that, cuz what is the point of grinding if you don't like tier 5s. I will personally feel cheated if I spend my time on grinding and people now who just come in are getting the same thing or better without grinding.

[@kevinguo3127]

Nixod armour warfare are based on HP pool, so it works, I wonder how you kill the t 90 with auto cannoned batter vehicles. if war thunder want to be original, they should not add battle vehicles, since their purpose is to fight infantry.