War Thunder's New BR Changes are...

[@subspacesub2248]

Sorry that my first video back had to be a rant! Gaijin is just genuinely taking War Thunder as a whole in a simply unplayable direction. Something that I did, however, fail to mention is that the f4e is finally in a good spot. Edit: A huge, huge shoutout to everyone who watches the videos and convinced me to make some more :D

[@giddyup9591]

The f5c and f5e being the same BR is fucking bonkers

[@subspacesub2248]

Exactly what I'm saying!

[@mosser-wm3dx]

That one is a a dumb dumb move. I also agree about the phantom, it's just gonna get shit on more than it already was. Who doesn't see an f4c and think "oh, free kill" lmao.

[@MrMatmulan]

Gaijin trying really hard to make me quit for a long time... Mirage 2000D-R1 being 12.3 and only having 2 IR missiles LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO

[@subspacesub2248]

Ikr, why is it so high?

[@richardcreasey9319]

I had a lot of fun with it at 11.3 simply because it was 11.3, and not 11.7. It being moved up that much and to the same BR as the C-S4/5 just makes this thing pointless. Fucking stupid change.

[@subspacesub2248]

exactly!

[@stormjet814]

@@subspacesub2248bombing efficiency drove the spreadsheet numbers up

[@Humand_1]

honestly having planes with 0 flares at 10.3 and up is horrible knowing you face a lot of all aspect missiles is just dumb

[@subspacesub2248]

Exactly!

[@stungus.]

I'm happy they made the f4e viable

[@subspacesub2248]

It's excellent at its new BR! Loving the experience of flying it knowing that I won't face IRCCM slingers!

[@toast1172]

The F4EJ has finally become playable because i dont have flying minivans being lodged in my cockpit by braindead F14B pilots.

[@subspacesub2248]

It's also playable now, true toast!

[@tugfa8k596]

I think that the best solution to this would be to increase the br to 16.0 and rearrange everything and put the planes that went up to 10.7 and 11.0 in low br so that it is not so complicated when playing with them, I have the f5c and it is somewhat difficult in 10.7

[@subspacesub2248]

I agree, and you're the first comment on my channel in 2 months lmao.

[@its_FUBAR]

This video is a great showcase on why people should play not just 1 nation.

[@subspacesub2248]

I play germany and USA. I think I have a decent idea of what planes are good.

[@ghilliethumper930]

The only one I agree with is the F5C and F5E, the F5E should be higher. The others are a major skill issue.

[@subspacesub2248]

The f5e is now struggling with facing r73s. It doesnt deserve to be higher.

[@AverägWTpläyer]

As a certified ground enjoyer, I'm glad I don't have to deal with this bs.

[@subspacesub2248]

I also really enjoy ground and I'm glad that it didnt get these BS changes :D

[@WarGoose1]

My "favorite part is that some of the F-16s including the F-16 ADF F-16A and the F-16AJ have been moved up in brs but their munitions have stayed the same for example the F-16AJ's best missile is a AIM-9L I rest my case.

[@jansatamme6521]

The F-16AJ's best missile is the sparrow, they are mega deadly now

[@subspacesub2248]

Yeah, yeah, that is definitely a very positive change..

[@enelx6375]

F14a at 12.3 is a relatively good br for such an oppressive plane. Yes, aim54a' s are easy to to counter but if you face 3/4 of them every game it gets hard to counter every single one of them. Multipathing isnt possible with aim54a's, because you will get hit hard even if the missle hits the ground. Br decompresssion is br compression is elsewhere. The update isn't perfect, but it's kind of a step in the right direction

[@subspacesub2248]

yeah true!

[@captchaosbluely1339]

As an F14 main the A model is still too low imo the B model should borderline be top-tier

[@subspacesub2248]

It is low considering the changes yeah.

[@angrydragonslayer]

as someone that has only played the MIG-23ML recently, i am hoping that i can finish the russian tree before they change this. i am well on my way because every downtier is 5+ kills :)

[@angrydragonslayer]

also, i dont recommend buying it. as soon as this gets fixed, it'll go back to unplayable due to the radar.....

[@subspacesub2248]

Yeah the mig 23 series is very fun! Have fun with it!

[@Sunnyboy-ob4xz]

I am so depressed about all my favorite 11.0 jets being almost unplayable since the major update buffed Aim54s and hammered multipathing, and this BR change just made things even worse. I am playing Naval now, FUCKING NAVAL instead of playing air or ground, fuck me.

[@subspacesub2248]

Yeah same here! These changes aren't good.

[@Tiran654LP]

just found the su39 has a ground radar that it can also use to supoort the r73 to hit its target. mindblowing op stuff the su25 is still a op joke tbh too

[@subspacesub2248]

yeah.

[@hahalongboy4203]

the crazy thing here (for me at least for planes and tanks) is that no matter the br changes other than top tier is that you're going to be up tiered 90% of the games and get smoked, this company is a filthy cash grab and classified document spreading scum, the research points for higher tiers is stupid, the research for modules is stupid and frankly still too high, and don't get me started on needing premium to actually get, what should be the normal average amount of RP per match, i've top fragged and gotten nukes and barely hit 6-7K rp which is dumb, im not spending another year to research another country of planes and tanks just to be smoked in most of my games cause their BR MM is garbage.

[@subspacesub2248]

Exactly dude! You'll work your butt off to get a nuke or an ace but some level 12 in a premium will get more rp than you with a base and a kill maybe!

[@mosser-wm3dx]

I ran out of premium around the major reward changed that sparked a semi boycott, and then I moved. Finally got back on, while sitting non premo waiting for the sales.....I literally made no fucking progress on anything. And I play a lot of premium tanks, usually for the silver...barely jack shit. I remember being surprised I unlocked a vehicle. Got premo back, flying through shit again. Even starting a new line off premo was just a draaaaag. I get making money, it's a f2p game and it's always going to be the major factor for the company. But jesus christ man, there has to be a line of reason somewhere. If you're gonna fuck me, at least let me get off too!

[@subspacesub2248]

Lmaooo based comment, mosser!

[@sp00kse]

the br change is good , 9.0-10.0 sub sonics with no countermeasures are playable now most stuff that got moved up faces the same stuff

[@subspacesub2248]

Thing is, I was playing my mig 19S which sits at 9.3. It is basically unplayable. The su25s are brutally undertiered.

[@sp00kse]

@subspacesub2248 it's better then them being 10.3 , it's progress

[@subspacesub2248]

The su25 is 10.3 still.

[@sp00kse]

@subspacesub2248 the point is it's progress to decompression the su25 was 9.7 a while ago

[@subspacesub2248]

Not really. Everything moved up.

[@maxslab5449]

Me when I don’t know how to play the game .7 increase is neutral as all brs went up that an increase to 1.0 is an actual negative change if you use your brain you realize most planes benefit from this and that the decompression is great for the 10-13.0 brs

[@maxslab5449]

I say this because you complain about how vehicles go up by .3 and that is actually a down tier for those vehicles and I needed to add I’m speaking from experience which is 12000 hours and 20000 games

[@subspacesub2248]

Thanks for commenting! First off, why I don't like gaijin's method of decompression is because of the fact that whenever they try to decompress the game, they end up adding more compression for some planes which were already bad enough (the f4c or the mig 29g). Gaijin just pushes them up without any consideration of their actual value. That's what I don't like.

[@PavewayIII-gbu24]

we need another br bracket like 14.7 to spread things out more

[@subspacesub2248]

i agree and disagree. Gaijin tends to mess these big changes up so let's wait for the current changes to be fixed before that.

[@JackSchrade]

Good luck grinding Germany I’m almost at the first MiG 29

[@subspacesub2248]

Thanks dude! My germany grind has been doing really well and I wish you luck too for your grinding journey! Toptier is a whole new world :D

[@lampshade9998]

Watching this video although some mistakes have been made you talked about none of them, i dont think you have enough experience to talk on it

[@subspacesub2248]

Thanks for the comment! I'd really appreciate if you could elaborate a bit on these mistakes I missed.

[@gasparferrandisromero1075]

I was about to say that, for example, MiG21S is undoubtably worse than the F4C, you say otherwise cos you didnt play it @subspacesub2248. I really recommend you to get better and more experience, playing more nations and more gamemodes to be able to take an opinion on this topics, most people end up claiming biases and what not out of inexperience, missleading new players and incrementing toxicity in the comunity

[@subspacesub2248]

Thanks for that! I do, however, stand by what I said. The mig 21S, is, by all means a more effective plane. You are 100% of the time on the all-aspect slinging team and you can go faster, turn harder, etc. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment though!

[@heitzinn9313]

j35xs in 11.3 is just crazy

[@subspacesub2248]

It doesnt, not for one second, deserve to be there. None of these damned planes deserve to be so high except the fox 3 carriers. Thanks for watching anyways, dude!

[@GJAustin-s4j]

The Mirage IIIC, with Magic 1's, was untouched and still sits at 10.0 but the F4C is 10.7.... Anything around the 9.0 area is miserable now. Nothing but F 104's all over the place seeing as most of the aircraft that might counter them have gone up. RIP the 8.3's just trying to grind. Have a lekker one!

[@subspacesub2248]

Eyy thank you for the comment! I agree with this comment so much since I'm a player who enjoys 7.0 to 10.0! Have a good day, fellow SAn!

[@GJAustin-s4j]

@subspacesub2248 What also doesn't make sense is they said they were moving most top tier jets up two BR's yet the majority of F-16's got moved up three BR's. Also the A Gripen only got moved one BR so is only 13.0. Make it make sense....

[@subspacesub2248]

true!

[@Руловский]

A5C another example 2 35g magic at 10.0 with flares, but they prefer to uptier the useless f4c

[@aj2k112]

I had a brief moment of happiness when I saw the stock grind change, but then I log on and see what they have done to my mig29 9.12

[@subspacesub2248]

Exactly my point! Gaijin is one of those companies that whenever they make a positive change, it's followed by two negative changes. Thanks for watching, dude!

[@mosser-wm3dx]

Well....seems like a great time to grind out with my premo tornado and 23ml. Personally i dont give too much shit about the br stuff. Everyone freaks out every time, and it gets either adjusted or ignored. But I would be lying if i thought they were gonna stop here, so imma wait and see if they fine tune this. If not, its whatever. Im biased af cus i dont really care about high tier. Im more salty about the 7.0 german legacy vehicles 🤣

[@subspacesub2248]

It is an epic time to use those planes yea!

[@frankstump62]

bro the fucking f5e is unplayable now with these dumb ass br changes i genuinely dont think im ever going to play the game again

[@subspacesub2248]

Yeah it's bad alright.

[@sorincaladera936]

The only things that changed are the fact you can't stomp 9.7s anymore, and you don't have to fight f14s and mirage2000s in an uptier. Stop complaining about nothing

[@frankstump62]

@@sorincaladera936 ya 9.7 is where it belonged any higher and it couldnt handle it

[@stormjet814]

@@frankstump62aint no fucking way you think the f5e is 9.7 material 😂 Fuck that goddamm thing, it deserved 11.0, god help you if you were in anything else at 9.7-10.7 fighting it

[@frankstump62]

@@stormjet814 maybe your mad that you keep getting killed by it

[@JustDaveSL]

You should try scripting your videos. You would come across more structured and informed.

[@subspacesub2248]

I should try that I suppose, yeah. I kinda dont like the way scripted videos sound but if you guys want that then I'll do it I guess!

[@Max_the_potato]

some might say it is all bad but some of the change where pretty good and necessary

[@subspacesub2248]

Some. Some. Not most. There were some good BR changes, yes, but the majority were bad.

[@Max_the_potato]

@@subspacesub2248 i would be do differ i mean what they did to the phantom and f-5 was not a good choice but it moved up thing like the su-25 and a-10a so they could not face 9.0 wich is good and also since many top tier with amraam are now 13.7 it lets 13.0 with more plane with 9m and r-73 and this is good for player who want to play top tier and not face fox-3 and many people I have played with in 13.0 say the same

[@SpinoDude88]

Good aim-54 at 11.3-7 is bs anyways. F the f-14.

[@subspacesub2248]

It was relatively balanced before the fox 3 changes. This update has f'd everything up.

[@MrMatmulan]

@@subspacesub2248 You said it right, BEFORE fox 3 changes. Now after the changes it became stupidly OP. The thing is, FOX 3 really killed War Thunder together with the multipath change... If they reverted the multipath thing, things could make sense...

[@subspacesub2248]

Exactly what I'm saying!

[@Scott_dreer]

As alot of your points are accurate i do have to say that with F104's Br being 11.0 and italian one lower its mainly and i think purely because the german one gets countermeasures and the italian one doesnt...also flareless planes at 10.7 is fcking criminal, also with the F14A being 12.3 i think its fair all i would give it is more countermeasures but finally you can play some of the other planes f.e F8E and not have to endure the shtshow that is US vs US phoenix spam with notching being barely known and understandable to players at 11.0-11.3 making the F14 absolutely ridiculous with additional fact that deck hugging doesnt work against them due to the explosion radius being big enough to negate it (speaking from experience in F4's, Mig23's and mirages)...so i think SOME (like 1 or 2) changes were good other than that this hasnt done anything to adress the issues cuz as sinestro said "if everyone is special then noone is" and if everyone is moved up a br then no decompression is happening :/

[@subspacesub2248]

Yeah exactly my point! The f14 was a bit op but 12.0 would've been just fine. A plane with 60 countermeasures fighting modern fox 3s should NOT be happening. Btw the f8e is one of my favourite planes so yea, I have seen those USA vs USA shtshows.

[@Scott_dreer]

@@subspacesub2248 same F8E is baller

[@PavewayIII-gbu24]

The GE is you being refunded for purchasing modification that are now stock

[@subspacesub2248]

Yeah i realised thanks :D

[@gertaro]

i dont see whats the problem, all the other planes are also getting their br raised. 12.3 right now is like the 11.7 of then

[@subspacesub2248]

That is the point. If every plane gets raised, only negative changes will occur.

[@gertaro]

@subspacesub2248 how?

[@subspacesub2248]

See, when one plane that doesnt deserve to move up does move up with the rest of the pack, nothing changes. simple.

[@gertaro]

@@subspacesub2248 so if nothing changes how does it make it worse?

[@subspacesub2248]

@@gertaro those planes move up and other planes that are just outright better than it gaijin says, “meh these are balanced” and keep them where they are. This is how imbalance is created.

[@mateoemanuel3517]

r27er are mediocre? u clearly don t know what ur talking about

[@mateoemanuel3517]

and f 16 doesnt have better weapons than the mig 29 just please inform urself and unlock the planes and after u play them talk about it

[@subspacesub2248]

Thanks for the comment! I want to highlight a few things: the f16adf DOES have a more capable kit than the standard mig 29. The r60mk's are too flare hungry even sub-1km which is the range where you'll struggle to flare the aim 9L. The Aim7m handles better with the changes made to radar and radar missiles since the mig 29 standard's radar suite is not the most capable. I have played the f16s and f14s so you can check out those videos if you want some more context. Have a great day :D

[@mateoemanuel3517]

@@subspacesub2248 in ir missiles yes but in bvr mig 29 with the 27er is way above the 7m and the radar don t compare those and i ll tell u why radars in war thunder are not even close as they should be ex modes and stuff like that so dont bother to compare the f16 radar to mig 29 because u won t see any difference until they add real life or close to dcs options to radars trust me i have over 2 k matches on both planes so ik what i m talking about when i say even with the disadvantage of the r60m mig 29 is still better.plus now f16adf is not even good its obsolete now that magic 2s got buffed and other missile with it too,america isnt even in top 3 nations anymore

[@mateoemanuel3517]

and have a good day too :P

[@subspacesub2248]

I disagree fully and I think that radars are very useful and should be compared but okie! Once again good day to you!

[@wtttttttttttttttttttttttt]

for me its bad idea

[@subspacesub2248]

These changes are a bad idea yeah!

[@SirCabooseCCCP]

gaijin just cooks up the biggest piles of dogshit imagineable for 90% of changes to the game, isnt A-10A early same BR as Su-25 with better IR 30G missiles?

[@subspacesub2248]

yeah, it is. exactly my point!

[@casualmannoobq]

I love my F-104G italian at 11.0 I love my only 2 aim9 j’s :DDD atleast i got good flares or chaff am i right? +bombs or rockets Edit: ALSO I CHECKED AND THE AMERICAN F-104’S ARE STILL AT 9.3 WHYYYYYYY GAIJIN WHYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

[@subspacesub2248]

they deserve to be higher!!!!

[@casualmannoobq]

@@subspacesub2248 yeah!!!!!!!

[@sdaniel7621]

nice gaijin 13.7 and a 13.0 adf ??????????? whyyy like the brs were fine star fight was fine it can not turn so balanced but whyin fucks sake put them higher???

[@subspacesub2248]

Yeah. The BR's are messed up now.

[@elcangry855]

Nether the su 27 dosen desever yo be 12.7

[@subspacesub2248]

Exactly!

[@RyuRyo4224]

f5c on 11.0 is a joke

[@subspacesub2248]

Considering the BR changes, it faces even better missiles now that didn't get moved up for some reason. Absolutely a joke.

[@zhrprkp6732]

it is completly justified, it's still a great plane for br, the only difference is it doesnt bully the whole br range that was under him. They should also move 5e to at least 11.3 or even higher

[@RyuRyo4224]

@@zhrprkp6732 absolutely not f5e is staying at 11.0 and f5c should return to 10.7

[@subspacesub2248]

I agree with your latest comment, ryu.

[@RyuRyo4224]

@@subspacesub2248 i just cant stand the fact im in an f5c fighting some f16's

[@aydansummers6202]

The fact you can match F-5Cs with MiG-23ML and similar planes is stupid as fuck

[@subspacesub2248]

Exactly!