War Within RANGED DPS RANKED - Best Gameplay, Best Hero Talents, Best Overall

[@SignsOfKelani]

Become a KZbin member here - kzbin.info/door/sxidPdmPXDlsS3rn7arJsAjoin The BEST Classes to Play in The War Within - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYDMcpiefpWWkM0 Top 10 reasons to be excited for The War Within - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5jEqZdmd91sjNE MELEE Dps RANKED - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnaWaaWpbbKYgJY 23 Small but AMAZING changes in the War Within - kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIS2ZWaupKt8jJI Timestamps - 0:00 - RANGED Dps Ranked for The War Within 0:53 - Hunter 5:34 - Mage 11:19 - Shadow Priest 13:49 - Warlock 19:02 - Balance Druid 21:16 - Elemental Shaman 23:26 - Evoker (sometimes the timestamps in the description aren’t getting picked up, so I’ll just leave them in the pinned comment as well, hope that helps!)

[@myv112]

As a Hunter the changes they made is much appreciated

[@chillyspoon]

"So you can pull agro off the tank and die" - lol!

[@samg449]

Affliction main here. It's a myth that Aff is a hard spec to play. Wowhead is right when it says most people consider the spec to be hard but the rotation is actually easy and smooth as butter. It's also a lot less dynamic than other classes' rotations meaning once you learn it you learn it. DoT management in general can still be a pain but that is really the only 'hard' thing about it, making sure your important DoTs don't fall off and you refresh them at the right time. Destruction Warlock is easy to pick up but as far as I know they still have to worry about PuG tanks pulling mobs out of their rain of fire. The Havoc mechanic also requires a bit of skill to get used to as it's not based only on logic but also instinct. And in the beginning of expansions they often do really poor damage (like D or F tier damage) but hopefully that will be better in War Within, I don't know.

[@coryp6868]

Afflock is finna go crazy in tww. Im so excited that at least for a while it'll be strong enough to get into groups

[@Muddyowns]

Does Demo perform better than affliction?

[@coryp6868]

@Muddyowns better/worse is not really feasible to tell just yet, but demo is fine. Been seeing it blast a good bit

[@tylerjohnson340]

@@Muddyowns Aff or Demo should be fine. I would just avoid Destruction. At least for awhile. It always is so weak at the beginning of expansions when haste is low.

[@duckys_on_quack]

Ele shaman is so fun to play with the changes getting a ascension proc off your wave feels so good you're just a lava machine gun

[@corysteiner1218]

24:24 that crossover breath looked clean af 👌

[@yaroslavmakarov9039]

You just see how Kelani doesn't like SP and AL not showing their talent tree)))

[@Griffin5242]

Pretty solid list... I think Mages are going to be doing really well and the evokers look interesting. I really think the BM Hero talents suck by in large. On separate issue it is nice that some classes got really nice visuals for the hero talents and the rest are stuck with passive garbage.

[@Vondarkstar]

That oribos music… gives me conniptions.

[@Sergito800]

im divided, all of my favorite classes are pretty good! Priest, Paladin and Shaman! im leaning more into the s priest in hopes we get some lore bits exclusive because of the legendary dagger

[@Ak3R0]

Lets be honest, Warlocks and Shadow Priests could use a small rework/skill clean up.

[@shahinkabiri5417]

Man lock destro is meta , rework??? Why

[@Ak3R0]

@shahinkabiri5417 lots of outdated spells

[@lovelylych7643]

Stop stealing my buttons! I hate classes that only have a few spells and limited options. Give me lots of options to press, like enhancement shaman, shadow priest and affliction lock.

[@Ak3R0]

@@lovelylych7643 you think you have lots of options, but most of those buttons do nothing anyway.

[@shahinkabiri5417]

@@lovelylych7643 the importance is to play and have fun not overwhelemed with the buttons

[@Gkowi]

I have not played much at all since BFA. Think it is worth coming back for War Within?

[@coryp6868]

War within is gonna be a blast. I'd recommend playing for at least a month or two after launch, see how ya feel.

[@Umbradomo]

For me, lots of new passives are great. As it leads to fewer new powers to have to press on your bars. Also, I'm lazy. 😈

[@cmaples]

Thank you yet again for the great information. I appreciate you sharing with the community to help us enjoy the game at a higher level. Have a great day all. As a 15+ year Shadowpriest player I am not thrilled with the different type of rotation and play style but I can't seem to give it up LOL. It seems to be lower tier (by experts rankings) going into the War Within but I am going to stick with old reliable.

[@heroman1322]

I think you underappreciated Shadow Priest. I do believe that the button bloat is real though and is a problem down the line..

[@Liofa73]

Also under appreciated the mobility with the PWS and run speed increase , coupled with Angelic feature and you can move at a faster speed for long periods. Plus PWS has a small heal on yourself. You can also levitate and slowfall when bosses launch you. Not sure he got the best out of SP with his testing.

[@Giliver]

​@@Liofa73he clearly doesn't like for classes. Hell I've seen a lot of KZbinrs talk about SP in such a negative light simply because they can't grasp how to play a dot class. I'm obviously biased though because dot classes are my bread and butter, I've always loved them.

[@tutips7365]

Considering the person that writes the SP guides on Wowhead thinks SP is NOT in a good state atm, I would say Kalani is pretty on point. The guide person frequents the official WoW forums and says SP is going to be mid-tier in dps. Feels bad man. But at least we aren't going to be bottom of the dps pile.

[@MrMilkyCoco]

@@Giliver I mean sure...but if it takes less effort to play another class and do as well or even better than sp, then sp is never gonna be recommended highly. I like to think this helps those who are new or looking for an alt.

[@Pekins_]

Im happy they made specs that usually require a lot of haste to be more viable early in the expansion.

[@mtr7076]

Dest still weak:(

[@SonOfTheImam]

You made me very happy big dog, keep up the great work :)

[@BattousaiHBr]

found the kalamazi viewer

[@SonOfTheImam]

@@BattousaiHBr main warlock so yes 🙌!!

[@Muddyowns]

​@@SonOfTheImamHow did he make you happy? What did I miss?

[@coryp6868]

Kelani your tier list is fried asf my guy 😂

[@FlipityGibett]

Why can’t they make MM good?

[@nozari28]

Right?!

[@nickgman3592]

Hasnt mm been really good ? I mained it season 3 and 4 and was doing great in mythics and pvp. What did you think was bad about it.

[@adub1300]

BM master race

[@Mochachocakon]

MM is good, just the hero talents aren't exciting.

[@eikonic]

Really thoughtful video - thanks!

[@StraussWyldeTT]

Mages and Locks… rock out with our procs out.

[@TheRealDigitalDecaf]

Affliction is unironically the best specc right now for multiple reasons, not including that diabolist is actually broken as in doesn't work, obviously its not great when everything dies instantly but in anything that matters its the strongest, and its incredibly easy now

[@marcwinner567]

Good video! Can we please get the same for melee?

[@fade69]

As an all time hunter main (since TBC), this is the expansion that I retire my hunter in favor of mage.

[@Patrious_WoW]

Lonewolf got cut on half was 10% it's 5% now

[@zbrembo]

luckily trigger finger gives you a 25% attack speed buff to kinda make up for it

[@bertjones3010]

While I've always liked ranged dps, I've never liked playing a mage. Ever! Augmentation is not within my play style. So I guess I go with BM, Ele, and Destro. (which I loved enough to lvl two to 70).

[@orkunkoksal8711]

Hunters also bring Primal Rage to the group which is the same thing as Bloodlust/Heroism/Time Warp. It is a ferocity pet ability but since all pets do same damage and most hunters will be playing BM, if there is no one that can cast it, hunters can.

[@oCjLn]

we seem to have total opposites of favorite play styles.

[@artbykestonremy]

I Like this vid.. i play alot of range classes... so this is good to know .. i will be playing my mage alot more for this exsp

[@rasmusstubnielsen3534]

But this constanly changes, so what are we to think about it? The game has nerfes and buffs all the time its to get a headac about

[@user-bq7zh4qx4d]

1:05 What is that warlock demon doing? spamming chaos bolts like crazy!!!!😰

[@Uncle19]

I love button bloat and complicated specs :) shadow for me please !!

[@alebaler]

Will be hard to decide, hope demo or affliction lock will be s tier most funn i had. Assa rogue was crap when i tried it in mythic+ and warriors always bring 0 utility

[@user-bg4lz3gf6m]

Living bomb is getting 63% nerf to it come next reseet

[@brav33nough70]

I am so glad blizzard nerf this ability. It pretty much one shots entire epic battleground team at once

[@MugenkuroGokunoban]

OI KELANI, YOU ARE REALLY BAD AT SHADOW PRIEST. We are S TIER AIGHT?

[@rollintroll]

Best War Within class / spec tier listing hands down. Keep up the good work, you got the right formula!

[@GamerTeah]

Heya, so im new to retail. is there a good video that explains mastery, versatility and all the other odd stats? Recommendations welcome

[@kingsgamble]

I'd shit my pants irl if they made BM hunter able to have 3 or 4 pets out at once always would be so cool

[@15Kilo]

As always my go to channel for all the wow info. I’ve been having a blast playing BM Hunter

[@ourovermelho23]

So Kelani have you decided in your main yet? I usually main hunter but I’m pretty sad at how our hero talents shaped up to be and I’m leaning towards mage but BM would be so much fun in Delves and MM is fun to play also

[@SignsOfKelani]

Playing my mage first this time, but I'll level hunter, paladin and evoker very early on too.

[@MasterKoru]

I'd probably push Elemental Shaman up to S-tier, personally. The gameplay feels awesome, as you pointed out, but they bring a host of new things to groups as well. Skyfury being available to all specs is huge, first of all. Shamans can also talent into a number of group survival mechanics, such as being able to put Earth Shield on targets and using Healing Stream Totem not only to heal, but to reduce damage taken by Frost, Fire, and Nature damage after being healed by it. They also have some general group utility, albeit a bit weaker than others might bring. For example, Wind Rush Totem, one that a lot of groups love, the OG Bloodlust, and Tremor Totem are some unique abilities that they bring to the table. They also get unique mobility in the form of Spiritwalker's Grace.

[@OptimysticTV]

You forgot to review Ret Paladins :P

[@MrChrisshoe]

They’re not ranged silly

[@lexiconprime7211]

@@MrChrisshoe The devs must not have gotten that memo.

[@Giliver]

​@@lexiconprime7211oh? Are they getting the past survival hunter treatment where it's a weird mishmash of ranged and melee?

[@lexiconprime7211]

@@Giliver No, they can just do 80%-ish of their dps from range.

[@karamelapple8007]

When do the hero talents come out, and when can we level past 70?

[@pino_de_vogel]

paladin went from best to nerfed to shit. my 35 ilvl lower warrior does more dps now...

[@TomisHorspielzimmer-erer]

In 3 Days hard nerv Hunter. Good Video 🤪

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@doclewis8927]

I disagree with the Affliction Warlock position. I started playing it as a newb a long time ago and was told "don't do that one it's too hard". Now, I have people in my guild ask what buttons to push and how to order everything because they cannot understand how I can get all of my DoTs up on 5 targets without using Vile Taint. LOL. Practice. The last dungeon I ran through (which was for an event because I hate dungeons) my guild member told me I was top damage. I don't run any add-ons (never have) and I just usually run around in the world helping others if I can. I was happy that I was "top damage" for about 3 minutes. LOL. That's how long the dungeon was.

[@H2ydrogen]

There's a giant difference between easy to pick up and play and master. BM hunters are NOT easy to master. Sure, a somewhat easy rotation, but your utility is up there with warlocks. There is so much you can do in every situation and if you don't you will simply not be a viable pick for group content. I've played since 2004, hunter is my main and I've hardcore raided mythic on all classes. Fury warrior is the easiest to play by far followed closely by ret paladin.

[@eatdefeat]

I saw websites not having bm run call of the wild for mythic ? Anyone understand why

[@burkaanc]

what button bloat on shadow? frost mage is way more bloated

[@shawnhayes6938]

Now I see why I hate these videos that rank classes by tiers. Before this one I watched 4 other videos that said all hunter specs needed attention and love, and on those videos they said affliction warlock is S tier and doing great (maybe too great), but then I see this one and afflic warlock is placed in C tier...Like WTF. These streamers clearly put classes where they feel....NOT based on numbers from logs, dungeons, and raids.

[@daws7511]

As hyped as I was for Voidweaver, I'm just not a big fan of Shadow's gameplay. Mages sitting pretty going into TWW (dps balancing aside).

[@petepaddick7498]

I'm going to main Frost Mage in War Within, a first for me maining a FM.

[@Wft-bu5zc]

I think I'm gonna main mage just because all 3 trees are so cool and interesting, so can always switch around. I haven't had a mage main since BC!

[@facehugger8995]

hunter hero talents are so meh but they are solid dps just boring and easy

[@connorarmstad3582]

So...still hunters lol

[@hvdiv17]

With out even watching frost mage,warlock,balance druid because blizzard doesnt know how to balance.

[@salihora]

thanks going Fire mage

[@fabionow]

This is killing me! What song is it again on the last 15 seconds of the video???????

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

I am still getting used to people from the UK saying truck instead of lorry.

[@barrma03]

Wow are people irked at this. I know people come to these and look for general power rankings so you can dive in to the first patch and blast but if you actually watched the whole video he goes by more feel and gameplay than tuning. Dont get upset!

[@TherevrunHD]

I'm so happy you guys are sleeping on warlock. I'm finna pop off.

[@rbryinc]

I play affliction as well and I to disagree with it being c tier

[@GamificaShaun]

Played Destro since BC

[@feeldrove35]

fire mages are doing tank dmg def not s tier currently

[@Tsunam4b0z]

Fire Mage in S is a crime, deals less dmg than tanks. The job of a dps spec is to deal dmg, which fire does not.

[@Zs0c33]

Good thing this tier list has nothing to do with dmg numbers, only HIS PERSONAL FUN... I swear people dont even watch the video just go straight to cry in the comments.

[@daws7511]

How the job plays is more important in this tier list. Dps balancing isn't done. Obviously Fire will get adjusted and when it does the kit and gameplay is still S tier.

[@Giliver]

Dude crys like he runs a mythic raid team meanwhile he's an LFR Andy.

[@jasonroman578]

I keep telling everyone that blizz nerfed fire to uselessness…… i rolled shaman to main because of the hit fire mage took

[@Tsunam4b0z]

@@Zs0c33 so you are having fun dealing less damage than a tank? i watched the entire video, doesnt change the fact that a spec that deals no dmg isnt fun

[@killerbam1234]

thank u

[@jwylovesknc]

Sorry I disagree they gutted beast Mastery and Marksman… they both to me are in the D tier

[@gustavogu7733]

Another expansion, another S-tier start for Mages...

[@Stef-an]

Thanks for the video, but come on man... do tanks next :D

[@user-bq7zh4qx4d]

Place Balance druid on a D- tier ...

[@Fluxteufel]

im not a bot, im just a german who cant sleep at 6 in the morning ;D

[@Mazeingpower]

so wrong about affliction. You have crazy aoe spawm.

[@nwyk153]

Blizz hates Balance Droods.

[@HeaveninHellfirespinning]

I disagree. They hatred feral more than boomie

[@MasqSC]

HEY KELANI THIS IS FOLKS

[@Collateralcoffee]

Moment I pressed Thumbs down was when you said leave a like.

[@thizzguy1018]

Fire is doing less damage than some tank specs. Should’ve put that in there

[@LodvarDude]

Then they'll buff them. Fire mage is always good historically. Besides, this is about what's most fun and most utility. Not what spec is doing larger number in a sim or on a spreadsheet - in a fucking beta.

[@ReactorKFusion]

Let me guess, back in BC, you chose Cryer over Aldor ?

[@Giliver]

The balancing isn't even done yet. You people are absolutely insufferable lol

[@CrashCash13]

Hilarious how you got targeted by the bots.

[@shahinkabiri5417]

Come on man destroy warlock is now the Mata b really..???

[@DePhoegonIsle]

I'll be real, I'm kinda glad some of the buttons got cut from BM.. some of them were just ..kinda traps given that you'd have to legitimately be a math god on the fly to judge if one was better or not to use over KC or barbbed shot, to the point that you literally had maybe 2-5 GCD per minute spare for other shots.

[@kiraos6732]

was this just a personal preference ranking? Because if you went by which range is actually preforming best in the game atm, fire and frost would not be in s tier, and ele and maybe destro lock is easily in s tier.

[@ZahryD]

Controversy tier lists reaches further.

[@Kazairith]

he says this is a personal ranking based on the class's he is having the most fun with and nothing to do with numbers

[@xID4nIx]

destro lock is garbage rn

[@kiraos6732]

@@xID4nIx got nerfed again since last week?

[@xID4nIx]

@@kiraos6732 heavily. and diabolist currently doesn't even work lol

[@stormy7722]

How is elemental shaman for solo play? im not digging Enhance so i want to change.

[@xlightninghawk6360]

For solo play they are good

[@Giliver]

Essentially every class in the game is viable, its not like we're mythic raiders or anything serious. (Most players are casual)

[@poatrykdas]

13:24 bro aint no way.. that shit is gonna pull so much in m+

[@Sourlife.]

my ranges will be Elemental-Shaman and Shadow-Priest, audiovisuell orgasm income :D

[@garythompson9692]

good mobility? Aspect has a 3 week cooldown, longest in the game by far! id put money on Hunters being the slowest char in the game! and also, why have they never fixed Misdirect?

[@cindywagner49]

Just enjoy what you play

[@mallusdarkblade]

Demo lock now and always

[@officalshishagaming2383]

Lawl mages

[@MarkElf2204]

0 reason to be looking or making teir lists when we still got several weeks of tuning to go. Lazy content

[@jct-jx5st]

gg

[@SabaZee]

Play what you enjoy. Chasing these “who is best today” trends will tire you out.

[@JojoSherrill]

Been playing Monk since MoP, Warrior/Shaman prior to that. For that very reason. I love my main because it's fun plain and simple.

[@Giliver]

Unless you're doing mythic raids or keystone speed run events it literally doesn't matter what class or soec you play, they're all viable in the vast majority of content. The only people who will complain are those who are vying for that 3%~ DPS increase to push very hard DPS checks.

[@RatnavelSubramanian]

Augmentation doesn't feel as much fun. Just easy group invites. You don't get into an effort=reward with Aug. For me they would be A tier.

[@DonVask]

Affliction is A tier, as much as I like your usual videos I won't give any credit to your Tiers lists because they're too subjective.

[@doublem7709]

A+ Tier at least

[@LodvarDude]

Of course they're subjective. He rarely talks about sims and numbers. Then there's this: 27:57. Did you miss that?

[@theroyalcam]

affliction will be permanently F tier as long as malefic rapture still exists in the game

[@doublem7709]

@@theroyalcam lol. Aff is one of the strongest ranged specs atm in tww. Try it on beta man

[@theroyalcam]

@@doublem7709 who said its weak??? malefic rapture is dogshit gameplay and anyone who defends that spell should uninstall the game

[@ironsideeve2955]

Fire is S tier? It never ceases to amaze me how awful content creator ‘tier lists’ are

[@banannerz]

It’s almost like people can have different opinions or something 🤯 I’m sorry that you view others’ opinions as “awful” simply because they don’t align with your own though :^(

[@smashtactix]

If you disagree with me you are wrong, and obviously that make's me rite. did you grow up alone and not having different opinion's from friends, family, or imaginary friends??

[@ironsideeve2955]

@@smashtactix it's doing tank dps... ./facepalm

[@banannerz]

@@ironsideeve2955 as stated in the video, the tier list has nothing to do with dps 🤡

[@igorjurdana1311]

@@smashtactix It's objectively the worst performing dps by far. Your "diff opinion" means nothing when faced with reality

[@diesel581]

This some PvE bs? lol

[@hotwings18]

we sween sgins of kelani posted let me see what he has ti sa-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[@shamba4406]

never value the opinion of someone who enjoys Augmentation and BM hunter. Never.

[@DylanGuitar525]

Not at all biased 😂

[@DangerKnerd1]

I hate the fact that Aug has become mandatory in most end game content. 5 specs had to share the tank slot. 6 specs had to share the healer spot. 25 specs had to share 3 dps spots equal to 8,3 specs pr spot. Now Aug takes up one spot meaning 25 specs have to share 2 spots, equaling 12.5 specs pr spot. That just isn't fair. It was hard enough for DPS to find a group before the introduction of Augs.

[@raedchat6069]

cry more

[@LodvarDude]

Well. Roll an Aug and prance around like a ballerina like the rest of us. ;)

[@lexiconprime7211]

Idk about that, I haven't seen an augmentation evoker in months.

[@billozzy5760]

Because i saw the hunders and i saw that you play Night Elf don't forget (all the NElfs) the Shadowmelt........it's like Fake Death.....it doesn't help everytime but it's better than real death......try it.....

[@keeganmenezes5906]

Small tip, when running tier lists use GREEN for S tier and RED for D tier Easier to assimilate

[@KoiaKiss]

So they're all boring and half assed except for mage, their favorite child again.